"Gordon" <gordonbparker******.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Bob Retired" <BobRetired@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:782BDD79-0417-4F96-B298-E4D25D2EF6B4@microsoft.com...[color=green]
>> I recently purchased a new HP computer that had Vista as an operating
>> system.
>> The next day I was on this site and discovered Vista doesn't have Outlook
>> Express. I immediately returned the unopen box.[/color]
>
> Eh? What a DORK! You return an unused computer purely because it doesn't
> have Outhouse Express?
> I've heard it all now!
> There are quite a few other free email clients that you could have tried
> instead.....
>[color=green]
>> Does anyone know if you can
>> purchase Outlook Express separately and install it on a Vista computer.[/color]
>
> No you can't
>[color=green]
>> Better yet, where can I buy Windows XP in a box, and can XP be installed
>> over
>> a Vista operating system? I do not want a Vista operating system. My
>> son
>> has it on his lap top and all he does is have trouble.[/color]
>
> Wait for Windows 7............
>[/color]

Waiting for Win7 doesn't address the issue. 7 doesn't even ship with an
e-mail client, let alone OE.

"Bob Retired" <BobRetired@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
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>I recently purchased a new HP computer that had Vista as an operating
>system.
> The next day I was on this site and discovered Vista doesn't have Outlook
> Express. I immediately returned the unopen box. Does anyone know if you
> can
> purchase Outlook Express separately and install it on a Vista computer.
> Better yet, where can I buy Windows XP in a box, and can XP be installed
> over
> a Vista operating system? I do not want a Vista operating system. My son
> has it on his lap top and all he does is have trouble.[/color]

The e-mail client that ships with Vista, Windows Mail, is virtually
identical, in function, to Outlook Express. The only differences are
cosmetic.

Windows 7, on the other hand, doesn't come with an active e-mail client, at
all.

"Sinner" <sinner@gatesofhell.org> wrote in message
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>
> Waiting for Win7 doesn't address the issue. 7 doesn't even ship with an
> e-mail client, let alone OE.
>[/color]

Yes it does - the OP said he didn't want Vista......

+Bob+ wrote:[color=blue]
> On Fri, 28 Aug 2009 11:40:22 -0500, The poster formerly known as 'The
> Poster Formerly Known as Nina DiBoy' <me123@privacy.net> wrote:
>[color=green]
>> No, Outhouse Distress is discontinued with XP. It's simply not
>> available for Vista. The closest (but not the best) newsreader to OE,
>> but the one I like the best is Thunderbird.[/color]
>
> To the OP: Vista comes with Windows Mail, which is very similar to OE.
>
> I prefer T-bird myself. MS's mail solutions don't meet my needs.
>[/color]

Thanks Bob, I left the Windows Mail part out on accident. :)

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Bob Retired wrote:[color=blue]
> I recently purchased a new HP computer that had Vista as an operating system.
> The next day I was on this site and discovered Vista doesn't have Outlook
> Express.[/color]


No, but it has Windows Mail, which is only a little different from OE;
it's just a bit more "dumbed-down."

[color=blue]
> I immediately returned the unopen box.[/color]


That's a bit of an over-reaction.

[color=blue]
> Does anyone know if you can
> purchase Outlook Express separately and install it on a Vista computer.[/color]


No, that's not possible.

[color=blue]
> Better yet, where can I buy Windows XP in a box, and can XP be installed over
> a Vista operating system?[/color]


You might be able to find a copy of WinXP somewhere like flea markets,
computer fairs, or on-line auction sites. Of course, via those avenues,
you'd have no way of knowing whether or not you were getting a
legitimate license until it's too late. You might try a couple of the
more reputable sites, like Amazon.com, to see if they have any copies of
WinXP left.

As for installing it "over" Vista, that's technically impossible. It
might be possible, though, to remove the Vista and replace it with WinXP.

There could be a couple possible adverse repercussions of which you
should be aware. First and foremost, if the specific computer model in
question was designed specifically for Vista, there may well be no
WinXP-specific device drivers available to make the computer's diverse
components work properly. Consult the computer's manufacturer about the
availability of device drivers. Secondly, removing an OEM-installed
operating system and replacing it with another will almost invariably
void any and all support agreements and, in rare cases, possibly even
the warranty. You would, at the very least, have to re-install Vista
before getting any support from the manufacturer. Again, consult the
computer's manufacturer for specifics. Thirdly, there will be the
additional cost involved in purchasing a WinXP license for this new
computer.

After backing up any data you wish to transfer to the new OS
installation, simply boot from the WinXP installation CD. You'll be
offered the opportunity to delete, create, and format partitions as part
of the installation process. (You may need to re-arrange the order of
boot devices in the PC's BIOS to boot from the CD.)

HOW TO Install Windows XP
[url]http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=KB;en-us;316941[/url]

[url]http://www.michaelstevenstech.com/cleanxpinstall.html[/url]

[url]http://www.webtree.ca/windowsxp/clean_install.htm[/url]

Then, assuming you were successful in obtaining WinXP-specific
device drivers so that the computer can be made to work with WinXP, the
backed up data can be restored and applications (those that are
WinXP-compatible, that is) re-installed.

[color=blue]
> I do not want a Vista operating system. My son
> has it on his lap top and all he does is have trouble.[/color]


So, you're basing your assessment of Vista upon the sub-par quality of
your son's laptop and/or your son's lack of technical ability?


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killed a great many philosophers.
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Bruce Chambers <bchambers@cable0ne.n3t> wrote:
[color=blue]
> You might be able to find a copy of WinXP somewhere like flea markets,
>computer fairs, or on-line auction sites. Of course, via those avenues,
>you'd have no way of knowing whether or not you were getting a
>legitimate license until it's too late. You might try a couple of the
>more reputable sites, like Amazon.com, to see if they have any copies of
>WinXP left.[/color]

Lots of copies available from many sites.

[url]http://www.google.com/products?q=windows+xp&sourceid=navclient-ff&ie=UTF-8&rlz=1B3GGGL_enUS284US284[/url]

Bob Retired wrote:
[color=blue]
> I recently purchased a new HP computer that had Vista as an operating system.
> The next day I was on this site and discovered Vista doesn't have Outlook
> Express. I immediately returned the unopen box. Does anyone know if you can
> purchase Outlook Express separately and install it on a Vista computer.
> Better yet, where can I buy Windows XP in a box, and can XP be installed over
> a Vista operating system? I do not want a Vista operating system. My son
> has it on his lap top and all he does is have trouble.[/color]

Oh yeah, like other freebie e-mail clients are so completely worthless,
uh huh. Your "research" was rather limited and short-lived as you
didn't bother to find out that Windows Vista DOES comes with its own
e-mail client: Windows Mail (WM). OE went dead in 2002 and why it was
included in Windows XP that was released in 2001 (bundled with IE6).
Vista was released in 2006. Microsoft isn't going to include products
that are no longer supported and haven't been supported for many years.
Windows Live Mail replaces both OE and WM.

Well, does this unidentified model of HP computer actually have drivers
for non-Vista versions of Windows? They may have drivers only for
Vista. That is, they designed that model for use with Vista and didn't
bother to expend the manpower to develop software for other versions.
Going back to Windows XP may not be possible, or you cannot rely on the
image restore disc provided with the computer and will have to do your
own work to download the XP drivers and install them for all your
hardware to work under XP.

Both you and your son need to find a more expert Windows Vista user.
Bribe the kid next door with cookies, fudge, or chocolate chip muffins.

20091024
(1) Buy XP OEM (new unregistered) on ebay (2) Drop in disc and boot to disc.
delete existing partition (until whole disc is 'unallocated') (3) Install XP

"John Galt" wrote:
[color=blue]
> Bob Retired <BobRetired@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
>[color=green]
> >Better yet, where can I buy Windows XP in a box, and can XP be installed over
> >a Vista operating system? I do not want a Vista operating system. My son
> >has it on his lap top and all he does is have trouble.[/color]
>
> Try to find a computer that already has XP installed. It is unlikely
> at this point that any Vista computer will have XP drivers available
> for it, so installing XP on such a computer will result in disaster.
>[/color]

20091024
I don't think he's a dork. OLEXP is very capable email client prog. With
proper setup it's the most secure. Context menu on any msg allows view of
source via properties; msg + header can be inspected in plain text w/o
opening msg. Can you do that w/ your (other) fave email prog or webmail?

"Gordon" wrote:
[color=blue]
>
> "Bob Retired" <BobRetired@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:782BDD79-0417-4F96-B298-E4D25D2EF6B4@microsoft.com...[color=green]
> > I recently purchased a new HP computer that had Vista as an operating
> > system.
> > The next day I was on this site and discovered Vista doesn't have Outlook
> > Express. I immediately returned the unopen box.[/color]
>
> Eh? What a DORK! You return an unused computer purely because it doesn't
> have Outhouse Express?
> I've heard it all now!
> There are quite a few other free email clients that you could have tried
> instead.....
>[color=green]
> > Does anyone know if you can
> > purchase Outlook Express separately and install it on a Vista computer.[/color]
>
> No you can't
>[color=green]
> > Better yet, where can I buy Windows XP in a box, and can XP be installed
> > over
> > a Vista operating system? I do not want a Vista operating system. My son
> > has it on his lap top and all he does is have trouble.[/color]
>
> Wait for Windows 7............
>
>
>
>
>[/color]

"rs" <rs@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
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> 20091024
> I don't think he's a dork. OLEXP is very capable email client prog.[/color]

Reasonably so. There are freeware apps available that are just as good if
not better. No reason to return a new machine because it doesn't contain
Outlook Express
[color=blue]
> With proper setup it's the most secure.[/color]

Eh? NO Email client is "secure" on it's own - it all depends on the other
security apps you have...




[color=blue]
> Context menu on any msg allows view of
> source via properties; msg + header can be inspected in plain text w/o
> opening msg. Can you do that w/ your (other) fave email prog or webmail?[/color]

Thunderbird certainly can do this very easily but not on a Context.

Err - If you must shove your head up your ass, Err, I suggest, <sigh> Umm,
Err, to put your NET COP Badge on the chair pointy edge up and sit on it.
Err.


"Gordon" <gordonbparker******.com> wrote in message
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>
>
> "rs" <rs@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:1AB7FD1A-061D-48B7-BB80-6F453DF1F2B6@microsoft.com...[color=green]
>> 20091024
>> I don't think he's a dork. OLEXP is very capable email client prog.[/color]
>
> Reasonably so. There are freeware apps available that are just as good if
> not better. No reason to return a new machine because it doesn't contain
> Outlook Express
>[color=green]
>> With proper setup it's the most secure.[/color]
>
> Eh? NO Email client is "secure" on it's own - it all depends on the other
> security apps you have...
>
>
>
>
>[color=green]
>> Context menu on any msg allows view of
>> source via properties; msg + header can be inspected in plain text w/o
>> opening msg. Can you do that w/ your (other) fave email prog or webmail?[/color]
>
> Thunderbird certainly can do this very easily but not on a Context.[/color]