How to ask a question

[url]http://support.microsoft.com/kb/555375[/url]

[url]http://dts-l.net/goodpost.htm[/url]

[url]http://oakroadsystems.com/genl/unice.htm[/url]

Bob wrote:[color=blue]
> How to ask a question
>
> [url]http://support.microsoft.com/kb/555375[/url]
>
> [url]http://dts-l.net/goodpost.htm[/url]
> [url]http://oakroadsystems.com/genl/unice.htm[/url]
>[/color]

Question: do we have some guidance on how not to pointlessly reply to your
own post six minutes after the original? And perhaps on how to avoid
massive crosspostings?

You probably know this and are just giving a hard time but that appears to
be his signature block from observing his other posts.

it's reasonable to assume he inadvertently sent a message without a body
explaining his subject which also coincidentally contains the same subject
matter as his subject of he post. his similar reply to the post is
questionable though.


however, I took it as an overall implied post. He is apparently overwhelmed
by what he thinks are bad posts.

Now my question is, if we are willing to blame education on the faulty
posts, how does one get this guidance, besides Mr Bob posting these every
once in a while, before posting to these forums if we find this forum
attached to our windows mail and activate the news groups and start
watching/reading them like spam mail/chat mail?


"John McGaw" <nowhere@at.all> wrote in message
news:OoPUV2UhIHA.6092@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...[color=blue]
> Bob wrote:[color=green]
>> How to ask a question
>>
>> [url]http://support.microsoft.com/kb/555375[/url]
>>
>> [url]http://dts-l.net/goodpost.htm[/url]
>> [url]http://oakroadsystems.com/genl/unice.htm[/url]
>>[/color]
>
> Question: do we have some guidance on how not to pointlessly reply to your
> own post six minutes after the original? And perhaps on how to avoid
> massive crosspostings?[/color]

"...how does one get this guidance, besides Mr Bob posting these every
once in a while..."

It's really no different from, say, joining a conversation at a party.
You listen in for a while to get a sense of the conversation before
entering it yourself. In a newsgroup this is called 'lurking'.

Lurking is a tradition as old as newsgroups themselves. It means to
follow a few days or weeks worth of posts to get a sense of what topics
are being and have been discussed, the tenor of the conversation and, in
general, what are the customs and conventions of the group. Then you
make your first post.

If more people would spend the time to do this there would be 1) much
fewer posts, since most are asking the same questions over and over, and
2) fewer problems within the newsgroup, since users would understand how
the group works and how to use it to best advantage.

Newsgroups are of limited usefulness when it comes to answering
questions. Some people have difficulty forming a coherent question (and
they probably have the same problem outside a newsgroup too.) Many
people lack the technical vocabulary to describe their problem
accurately - you can hardly blame them. And there's only so much that
can be achieved by writing back and forth. I see many people here who
would be much better off in showing their computer to a professional.

Finally, it seems that many posters don't understand the dynamics of a
newsgroup, which are defined by the NNTP protocol. They expect to
receive a complete and accurate answer in real time. Or they expect us
to remember what they or someone else wrote in some earlier post, or
what the post 'three lines above' is. There isn't much you can do for
people like that.

A web search is usually a better way to find the information needed to
solve a problem. Many people don't know how to find information on the
web, or they're too lazy to make the effort, so they post here instead.
And they expect their fellow users who volunteer their time to
understand their question and provide a detailed explanation almost
immediately. For free.

---
Leonard Grey
Errare humanum est

DM wrote:[color=blue]
> You probably know this and are just giving a hard time but that appears
> to be his signature block from observing his other posts.
>
> it's reasonable to assume he inadvertently sent a message without a body
> explaining his subject which also coincidentally contains the same
> subject matter as his subject of he post. his similar reply to the post
> is questionable though.
>
>
> however, I took it as an overall implied post. He is apparently
> overwhelmed by what he thinks are bad posts.
>
> Now my question is, if we are willing to blame education on the faulty
> posts, how does one get this guidance, besides Mr Bob posting these
> every once in a while, before posting to these forums if we find this
> forum attached to our windows mail and activate the news groups and
> start watching/reading them like spam mail/chat mail?
>
>
> "John McGaw" <nowhere@at.all> wrote in message
> news:OoPUV2UhIHA.6092@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...[color=green]
>> Bob wrote:[color=darkred]
>>> How to ask a question
>>>
>>> [url]http://support.microsoft.com/kb/555375[/url]
>>>
>>> [url]http://dts-l.net/goodpost.htm[/url]
>>> [url]http://oakroadsystems.com/genl/unice.htm[/url]
>>>[/color]
>>
>> Question: do we have some guidance on how not to pointlessly reply to
>> your own post six minutes after the original? And perhaps on how to
>> avoid massive crosspostings?[/color]
>[/color]

Now this is good mentorship advise/explanation. Thank you!

To help with your "...There isn't much you can do for people like that." as
I do what you explained not to do in regards to remembering three
lines/posts before, refer them to a chat room as they are treating this as
one and not a research library if you will.

As far as searching the web for a solution, that was the only way I knew how
to find solutions until I stumbled upon my windows mail Microsoft
communities. Nothing like hard work to correct something. It makes you feel
that much more proud of the result too.



"Leonard Grey" <Leonard@Grey.invalid> wrote in message
news:uaD3ZYghIHA.6084@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...[color=blue]
> "...how does one get this guidance, besides Mr Bob posting these every
> once in a while..."
>
> It's really no different from, say, joining a conversation at a party. You
> listen in for a while to get a sense of the conversation before entering
> it yourself. In a newsgroup this is called 'lurking'.
>
> Lurking is a tradition as old as newsgroups themselves. It means to follow
> a few days or weeks worth of posts to get a sense of what topics are being
> and have been discussed, the tenor of the conversation and, in general,
> what are the customs and conventions of the group. Then you make your
> first post.
>
> If more people would spend the time to do this there would be 1) much
> fewer posts, since most are asking the same questions over and over, and
> 2) fewer problems within the newsgroup, since users would understand how
> the group works and how to use it to best advantage.
>
> Newsgroups are of limited usefulness when it comes to answering questions.
> Some people have difficulty forming a coherent question (and they probably
> have the same problem outside a newsgroup too.) Many people lack the
> technical vocabulary to describe their problem accurately - you can hardly
> blame them. And there's only so much that can be achieved by writing back
> and forth. I see many people here who would be much better off in showing
> their computer to a professional.
>
> Finally, it seems that many posters don't understand the dynamics of a
> newsgroup, which are defined by the NNTP protocol. They expect to receive
> a complete and accurate answer in real time. Or they expect us to remember
> what they or someone else wrote in some earlier post, or what the post
> 'three lines above' is. There isn't much you can do for people like that.
>
> A web search is usually a better way to find the information needed to
> solve a problem. Many people don't know how to find information on the
> web, or they're too lazy to make the effort, so they post here instead.
> And they expect their fellow users who volunteer their time to understand
> their question and provide a detailed explanation almost immediately. For
> free.
>
> ---
> Leonard Grey
> Errare humanum est
>
> DM wrote:[color=green]
>> You probably know this and are just giving a hard time but that appears
>> to be his signature block from observing his other posts.
>>
>> it's reasonable to assume he inadvertently sent a message without a body
>> explaining his subject which also coincidentally contains the same
>> subject matter as his subject of he post. his similar reply to the post
>> is questionable though.
>>
>>
>> however, I took it as an overall implied post. He is apparently
>> overwhelmed by what he thinks are bad posts.
>>
>> Now my question is, if we are willing to blame education on the faulty
>> posts, how does one get this guidance, besides Mr Bob posting these every
>> once in a while, before posting to these forums if we find this forum
>> attached to our windows mail and activate the news groups and start
>> watching/reading them like spam mail/chat mail?
>>
>>
>> "John McGaw" <nowhere@at.all> wrote in message
>> news:OoPUV2UhIHA.6092@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...[color=darkred]
>>> Bob wrote:
>>>> How to ask a question
>>>>
>>>> [url]http://support.microsoft.com/kb/555375[/url]
>>>>
>>>> [url]http://dts-l.net/goodpost.htm[/url]
>>>> [url]http://oakroadsystems.com/genl/unice.htm[/url]
>>>>
>>>
>>> Question: do we have some guidance on how not to pointlessly reply to
>>> your own post six minutes after the original? And perhaps on how to
>>> avoid massive crosspostings?[/color]
>>[/color][/color]

Leonard,

could you email me outside this? I have something to advise you in regards
to how your posts are causing replys to error. thanks!

"Leonard Grey" <Leonard@Grey.invalid> wrote in message
news:uaD3ZYghIHA.6084@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...[color=blue]
> "...how does one get this guidance, besides Mr Bob posting these every
> once in a while..."
>
> It's really no different from, say, joining a conversation at a party. You
> listen in for a while to get a sense of the conversation before entering
> it yourself. In a newsgroup this is called 'lurking'.
>
> Lurking is a tradition as old as newsgroups themselves. It means to follow
> a few days or weeks worth of posts to get a sense of what topics are being
> and have been discussed, the tenor of the conversation and, in general,
> what are the customs and conventions of the group. Then you make your
> first post.
>
> If more people would spend the time to do this there would be 1) much
> fewer posts, since most are asking the same questions over and over, and
> 2) fewer problems within the newsgroup, since users would understand how
> the group works and how to use it to best advantage.
>
> Newsgroups are of limited usefulness when it comes to answering questions.
> Some people have difficulty forming a coherent question (and they probably
> have the same problem outside a newsgroup too.) Many people lack the
> technical vocabulary to describe their problem accurately - you can hardly
> blame them. And there's only so much that can be achieved by writing back
> and forth. I see many people here who would be much better off in showing
> their computer to a professional.
>
> Finally, it seems that many posters don't understand the dynamics of a
> newsgroup, which are defined by the NNTP protocol. They expect to receive
> a complete and accurate answer in real time. Or they expect us to remember
> what they or someone else wrote in some earlier post, or what the post
> 'three lines above' is. There isn't much you can do for people like that.
>
> A web search is usually a better way to find the information needed to
> solve a problem. Many people don't know how to find information on the
> web, or they're too lazy to make the effort, so they post here instead.
> And they expect their fellow users who volunteer their time to understand
> their question and provide a detailed explanation almost immediately. For
> free.
>
> ---
> Leonard Grey
> Errare humanum est
>
> DM wrote:[color=green]
>> You probably know this and are just giving a hard time but that appears
>> to be his signature block from observing his other posts.
>>
>> it's reasonable to assume he inadvertently sent a message without a body
>> explaining his subject which also coincidentally contains the same
>> subject matter as his subject of he post. his similar reply to the post
>> is questionable though.
>>
>>
>> however, I took it as an overall implied post. He is apparently
>> overwhelmed by what he thinks are bad posts.
>>
>> Now my question is, if we are willing to blame education on the faulty
>> posts, how does one get this guidance, besides Mr Bob posting these every
>> once in a while, before posting to these forums if we find this forum
>> attached to our windows mail and activate the news groups and start
>> watching/reading them like spam mail/chat mail?
>>
>>
>> "John McGaw" <nowhere@at.all> wrote in message
>> news:OoPUV2UhIHA.6092@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...[color=darkred]
>>> Bob wrote:
>>>> How to ask a question
>>>>
>>>> [url]http://support.microsoft.com/kb/555375[/url]
>>>>
>>>> [url]http://dts-l.net/goodpost.htm[/url]
>>>> [url]http://oakroadsystems.com/genl/unice.htm[/url]
>>>>
>>>
>>> Question: do we have some guidance on how not to pointlessly reply to
>>> your own post six minutes after the original? And perhaps on how to
>>> avoid massive crosspostings?[/color]
>>[/color][/color]

Sorry, I do not email. If you're having a problem with your newsreader
software, you have the software's technical support. If you're using
some other mechanism to read news, I can't help you. Newsgroups follow
the NNTP protocol - they weren't designed to work another way.

---
Leonard Grey
Errare humanum est

DM wrote:[color=blue]
> Leonard,
>
> could you email me outside this? I have something to advise you in
> regards to how your posts are causing replys to error. thanks!
>
> "Leonard Grey" <Leonard@Grey.invalid> wrote in message
> news:uaD3ZYghIHA.6084@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...[color=green]
>> "...how does one get this guidance, besides Mr Bob posting these every
>> once in a while..."
>>
>> It's really no different from, say, joining a conversation at a party.
>> You listen in for a while to get a sense of the conversation before
>> entering it yourself. In a newsgroup this is called 'lurking'.
>>
>> Lurking is a tradition as old as newsgroups themselves. It means to
>> follow a few days or weeks worth of posts to get a sense of what
>> topics are being and have been discussed, the tenor of the
>> conversation and, in general, what are the customs and conventions of
>> the group. Then you make your first post.
>>
>> If more people would spend the time to do this there would be 1) much
>> fewer posts, since most are asking the same questions over and over,
>> and 2) fewer problems within the newsgroup, since users would
>> understand how the group works and how to use it to best advantage.
>>
>> Newsgroups are of limited usefulness when it comes to answering
>> questions. Some people have difficulty forming a coherent question
>> (and they probably have the same problem outside a newsgroup too.)
>> Many people lack the technical vocabulary to describe their problem
>> accurately - you can hardly blame them. And there's only so much that
>> can be achieved by writing back and forth. I see many people here who
>> would be much better off in showing their computer to a professional.
>>
>> Finally, it seems that many posters don't understand the dynamics of a
>> newsgroup, which are defined by the NNTP protocol. They expect to
>> receive a complete and accurate answer in real time. Or they expect us
>> to remember what they or someone else wrote in some earlier post, or
>> what the post 'three lines above' is. There isn't much you can do for
>> people like that.
>>
>> A web search is usually a better way to find the information needed to
>> solve a problem. Many people don't know how to find information on the
>> web, or they're too lazy to make the effort, so they post here
>> instead. And they expect their fellow users who volunteer their time
>> to understand their question and provide a detailed explanation almost
>> immediately. For free.
>>
>> ---
>> Leonard Grey
>> Errare humanum est
>>
>> DM wrote:[color=darkred]
>>> You probably know this and are just giving a hard time but that
>>> appears to be his signature block from observing his other posts.
>>>
>>> it's reasonable to assume he inadvertently sent a message without a
>>> body explaining his subject which also coincidentally contains the
>>> same subject matter as his subject of he post. his similar reply to
>>> the post is questionable though.
>>>
>>>
>>> however, I took it as an overall implied post. He is apparently
>>> overwhelmed by what he thinks are bad posts.
>>>
>>> Now my question is, if we are willing to blame education on the
>>> faulty posts, how does one get this guidance, besides Mr Bob posting
>>> these every once in a while, before posting to these forums if we
>>> find this forum attached to our windows mail and activate the news
>>> groups and start watching/reading them like spam mail/chat mail?
>>>
>>>
>>> "John McGaw" <nowhere@at.all> wrote in message
>>> news:OoPUV2UhIHA.6092@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>>>> Bob wrote:
>>>>> How to ask a question
>>>>>
>>>>> [url]http://support.microsoft.com/kb/555375[/url]
>>>>>
>>>>> [url]http://dts-l.net/goodpost.htm[/url]
>>>>> [url]http://oakroadsystems.com/genl/unice.htm[/url]
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Question: do we have some guidance on how not to pointlessly reply
>>>> to your own post six minutes after the original? And perhaps on how
>>>> to avoid massive crosspostings?
>>>[/color][/color]
>[/color]

Its just when you post and I or maybe even others, mutiple newsgroups
populate the newsgroup field and I get errors when I send. I believe it's
because I'm not connected to the others at the time I hit send. No big deal;
just thought I would let you know just in case you didn't know:

microsoft.public.internetexplorer.general,microsoft.public.internetexplorer,security,microsoft.public.windows.live.mail,desktop,microsoft.public.windows.mediacenter,microsoft.public.windows.vista.general





"Leonard Grey" <Leonard@Grey.invalid> wrote in message
news:eTR5yDhhIHA.1944@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...[color=blue]
> Sorry, I do not email. If you're having a problem with your newsreader
> software, you have the software's technical support. If you're using some
> other mechanism to read news, I can't help you. Newsgroups follow the NNTP
> protocol - they weren't designed to work another way.
>
> ---
> Leonard Grey
> Errare humanum est
>
> DM wrote:[color=green]
>> Leonard,
>>
>> could you email me outside this? I have something to advise you in
>> regards to how your posts are causing replys to error. thanks!
>>
>> "Leonard Grey" <Leonard@Grey.invalid> wrote in message
>> news:uaD3ZYghIHA.6084@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...[color=darkred]
>>> "...how does one get this guidance, besides Mr Bob posting these every
>>> once in a while..."
>>>
>>> It's really no different from, say, joining a conversation at a party.
>>> You listen in for a while to get a sense of the conversation before
>>> entering it yourself. In a newsgroup this is called 'lurking'.
>>>
>>> Lurking is a tradition as old as newsgroups themselves. It means to
>>> follow a few days or weeks worth of posts to get a sense of what topics
>>> are being and have been discussed, the tenor of the conversation and, in
>>> general, what are the customs and conventions of the group. Then you
>>> make your first post.
>>>
>>> If more people would spend the time to do this there would be 1) much
>>> fewer posts, since most are asking the same questions over and over, and
>>> 2) fewer problems within the newsgroup, since users would understand how
>>> the group works and how to use it to best advantage.
>>>
>>> Newsgroups are of limited usefulness when it comes to answering
>>> questions. Some people have difficulty forming a coherent question (and
>>> they probably have the same problem outside a newsgroup too.) Many
>>> people lack the technical vocabulary to describe their problem
>>> accurately - you can hardly blame them. And there's only so much that
>>> can be achieved by writing back and forth. I see many people here who
>>> would be much better off in showing their computer to a professional.
>>>
>>> Finally, it seems that many posters don't understand the dynamics of a
>>> newsgroup, which are defined by the NNTP protocol. They expect to
>>> receive a complete and accurate answer in real time. Or they expect us
>>> to remember what they or someone else wrote in some earlier post, or
>>> what the post 'three lines above' is. There isn't much you can do for
>>> people like that.
>>>
>>> A web search is usually a better way to find the information needed to
>>> solve a problem. Many people don't know how to find information on the
>>> web, or they're too lazy to make the effort, so they post here instead.
>>> And they expect their fellow users who volunteer their time to
>>> understand their question and provide a detailed explanation almost
>>> immediately. For free.
>>>
>>> ---
>>> Leonard Grey
>>> Errare humanum est
>>>
>>> DM wrote:
>>>> You probably know this and are just giving a hard time but that appears
>>>> to be his signature block from observing his other posts.
>>>>
>>>> it's reasonable to assume he inadvertently sent a message without a
>>>> body explaining his subject which also coincidentally contains the same
>>>> subject matter as his subject of he post. his similar reply to the post
>>>> is questionable though.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> however, I took it as an overall implied post. He is apparently
>>>> overwhelmed by what he thinks are bad posts.
>>>>
>>>> Now my question is, if we are willing to blame education on the faulty
>>>> posts, how does one get this guidance, besides Mr Bob posting these
>>>> every once in a while, before posting to these forums if we find this
>>>> forum attached to our windows mail and activate the news groups and
>>>> start watching/reading them like spam mail/chat mail?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "John McGaw" <nowhere@at.all> wrote in message
>>>> news:OoPUV2UhIHA.6092@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>>>>> Bob wrote:
>>>>>> How to ask a question
>>>>>>
>>>>>> [url]http://support.microsoft.com/kb/555375[/url]
>>>>>>
>>>>>> [url]http://dts-l.net/goodpost.htm[/url]
>>>>>> [url]http://oakroadsystems.com/genl/unice.htm[/url]
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Question: do we have some guidance on how not to pointlessly reply to
>>>>> your own post six minutes after the original? And perhaps on how to
>>>>> avoid massive crosspostings?
>>>>[/color]
>>[/color][/color]