Managed to get hold of the MSDN Vista SP1 integrated DVD image (thanks to
BitTorrent!). So my plan is to do a complete clean install, complete with
SP1.
Always perferable to using the SP1 update package IMO, as it clears out all
the updates and saves disk space.

"Brian W" <brian.wescombeSODOFF@ntlSPAMworld.com> wrote in message
news:IVyBj.8785$5i5.3670@newsfe6-gui.ntli.net...[color=blue]
> Managed to get hold of the MSDN Vista SP1 integrated DVD image (thanks to
> BitTorrent!). So my plan is to do a complete clean install, complete with
> SP1.
> Always perferable to using the SP1 update package IMO, as it clears out
> all the updates and saves disk space.
>
>[/color]

With disks being so cheap why bother trying to save space. Bit-torrent, you
get what you pay for!!

Good luck with all that!

Rich

"Rich" <dontbotherme@localhost> wrote in message
news:eVvuX35gIHA.5752@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...[color=blue]
>
> "Brian W" <brian.wescombeSODOFF@ntlSPAMworld.com> wrote in message
> news:IVyBj.8785$5i5.3670@newsfe6-gui.ntli.net...[color=green]
>> Managed to get hold of the MSDN Vista SP1 integrated DVD image (thanks to
>> BitTorrent!). So my plan is to do a complete clean install, complete with
>> SP1.
>> Always perferable to using the SP1 update package IMO, as it clears out
>> all the updates and saves disk space.
>>
>>[/color]
>
> With disks being so cheap why bother trying to save space. Bit-torrent,
> you get what you pay for!![/color]

I'd rather have a clean, efficient system without all the previous updates.
The BitTorrent version has the same MD5 hash code as the MS download, I'm
not silly!

"Brian W" <brian.wescombeSODOFF@ntlSPAMworld.com> wrote in message
news:iEzBj.1782$jH5.1318@newsfe3-win.ntli.net...[color=blue]
>
> "Rich" <dontbotherme@localhost> wrote in message
> news:eVvuX35gIHA.5752@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...[color=green]
>>
>> "Brian W" <brian.wescombeSODOFF@ntlSPAMworld.com> wrote in message
>> news:IVyBj.8785$5i5.3670@newsfe6-gui.ntli.net...[color=darkred]
>>> Managed to get hold of the MSDN Vista SP1 integrated DVD image (thanks
>>> to BitTorrent!). So my plan is to do a complete clean install, complete
>>> with SP1.
>>> Always perferable to using the SP1 update package IMO, as it clears out
>>> all the updates and saves disk space.
>>>
>>>[/color]
>>
>> With disks being so cheap why bother trying to save space. Bit-torrent,
>> you get what you pay for!![/color]
>
> I'd rather have a clean, efficient system without all the previous
> updates. The BitTorrent version has the same MD5 hash code as the MS
> download, I'm not silly!
>
>[/color]

Brian W,

The fact that the software you downloaded from BitTorrent has the same
MD5 hash code as the MS download does not necessarily mean that it is the
same software and/or that it is secure.
Vulnerabilities have been found in MD5, MD4 and even SHA-1. Personally,
I'll wait for the official release on Windows Update.
I hope your download is secure and that you have no problems with it.

C.B.


--
It is the responsibility and duty of everyone to help the underprivileged
and unfortunate among us.

"C.B." <notreallyc.b.mullen@windowslive.com> wrote in message
news:3F5C97D6-CF17-4754-B20E-19DAE425EE8F@microsoft.com...[color=blue]
> Vulnerabilities have been found in MD5, MD4 and even SHA-1.
> Personally, I'll wait for the official release on Windows Update.
> I hope your download is secure and that you have no problems with it.[/color]


Vulnerabilities?? Are you serious??

Do you realise how amazingly unlikely that anything would be different?

ss.

The following is a quote from a previous post by Synapse Syndrome "... I
think they are fine if you get ones from a trusted source...." - Torrent
sites trusted source?

"Synapse Syndrome" <synapse@NOSPAMsyndrome.me.uk> wrote in message
news:%23nWKom6gIHA.5824@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...[color=blue]
> "C.B." <notreallyc.b.mullen@windowslive.com> wrote in message
> news:3F5C97D6-CF17-4754-B20E-19DAE425EE8F@microsoft.com...[color=green]
>> Vulnerabilities have been found in MD5, MD4 and even SHA-1.
>> Personally, I'll wait for the official release on Windows Update.
>> I hope your download is secure and that you have no problems with it.[/color]
>
>
> Vulnerabilities?? Are you serious??
>
> Do you realise how amazingly unlikely that anything would be different?
>
> ss.
>[/color]

"AJR" <ajrjdr@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:utDe4r6gIHA.4436@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...[color=blue]
> The following is a quote from a previous post by Synapse Syndrome "... I
> think they are fine if you get ones from a trusted source...." - Torrent
> sites trusted source?[/color]

I have only used it very little myself. I have just been reading how you
can reverse engineer a MD5 hash into a file though, so I was wrong on that
count.

ss.

"AJR" <ajrjdr@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:utDe4r6gIHA.4436@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...[color=blue]
> The following is a quote from a previous post by Synapse Syndrome "... I
> think they are fine if you get ones from a trusted source...." - Torrent
> sites trusted source?
>
> "Synapse Syndrome" <synapse@NOSPAMsyndrome.me.uk> wrote in message
> news:%23nWKom6gIHA.5824@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...[color=green]
>> "C.B." <notreallyc.b.mullen@windowslive.com> wrote in message
>> news:3F5C97D6-CF17-4754-B20E-19DAE425EE8F@microsoft.com...[color=darkred]
>>> Vulnerabilities have been found in MD5, MD4 and even SHA-1.
>>> Personally, I'll wait for the official release on Windows Update.
>>> I hope your download is secure and that you have no problems with
>>> it.[/color]
>>
>>
>> Vulnerabilities?? Are you serious??
>>
>> Do you realise how amazingly unlikely that anything would be different?
>>
>> ss.
>>[/color]
>
>[/color]

AJR,

If you say so then you must be correct. I think I'll download all my
future software from BitTorrent, especially if the hash codes are the same
as the developer's hash codes. Then, if my system takes a sh_t it must be
for some other reason.

C.B.


--
It is the responsibility and duty of everyone to help the underprivileged
and unfortunate among us.

Brian

It's not necessary to use the full Vista with SP1 package. The SP1 update
will include a tool that removes anything replaced or orphaned by the SP1
update package.

--

Ronnie Vernon
Microsoft MVP
Windows Desktop Experience


"Brian W" <brian.wescombeSODOFF@ntlSPAMworld.com> wrote in message
news:IVyBj.8785$5i5.3670@newsfe6-gui.ntli.net...[color=blue]
> Managed to get hold of the MSDN Vista SP1 integrated DVD image (thanks to
> BitTorrent!). So my plan is to do a complete clean install, complete with
> SP1.
> Always perferable to using the SP1 update package IMO, as it clears out
> all the updates and saves disk space.
>
>[/color]

"Ronnie Vernon MVP" <rv@invalid.org> wrote in message
news:155C694A-3F03-4D39-AAF3-739100051B9E@microsoft.com...[color=blue]
> Brian
>
> It's not necessary to use the full Vista with SP1 package. The SP1 update
> will include a tool that removes anything replaced or orphaned by the SP1
> update package.
>
> --
>
> Ronnie Vernon
> Microsoft MVP
> Windows Desktop Experience
>
>
> "Brian W" <brian.wescombeSODOFF@ntlSPAMworld.com> wrote in message
> news:IVyBj.8785$5i5.3670@newsfe6-gui.ntli.net...[color=green]
>> Managed to get hold of the MSDN Vista SP1 integrated DVD image (thanks to
>> BitTorrent!). So my plan is to do a complete clean install, complete with
>> SP1.
>> Always perferable to using the SP1 update package IMO, as it clears out
>> all the updates and saves disk space.
>>
>>[/color]
>[/color]

Mr. Vernon,

Although you were replying to Brian W I appreciate your answer. I
always wondered if this was the case but never researched the issue or asked
anyone about it.

C.B.


--
It is the responsibility and duty of everyone to help the underprivileged
and unfortunate among us.

"C.B." <notreallyc.b.mullen@windowslive.com> wrote in message
news:3F5C97D6-CF17-4754-B20E-19DAE425EE8F@microsoft.com...[color=blue]
>
>
> "Brian W" <brian.wescombeSODOFF@ntlSPAMworld.com> wrote in message
> news:iEzBj.1782$jH5.1318@newsfe3-win.ntli.net...[color=green]
>>
>> "Rich" <dontbotherme@localhost> wrote in message
>> news:eVvuX35gIHA.5752@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...[color=darkred]
>>>
>>> "Brian W" <brian.wescombeSODOFF@ntlSPAMworld.com> wrote in message
>>> news:IVyBj.8785$5i5.3670@newsfe6-gui.ntli.net...
>>>> Managed to get hold of the MSDN Vista SP1 integrated DVD image (thanks
>>>> to BitTorrent!). So my plan is to do a complete clean install, complete
>>>> with SP1.
>>>> Always perferable to using the SP1 update package IMO, as it clears out
>>>> all the updates and saves disk space.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> With disks being so cheap why bother trying to save space. Bit-torrent,
>>> you get what you pay for!![/color]
>>
>> I'd rather have a clean, efficient system without all the previous
>> updates. The BitTorrent version has the same MD5 hash code as the MS
>> download, I'm not silly!
>>
>>[/color]
>
> Brian W,
>
> The fact that the software you downloaded from BitTorrent has the same
> MD5 hash code as the MS download does not necessarily mean that it is the
> same software and/or that it is secure.
> Vulnerabilities have been found in MD5, MD4 and even SHA-1.
> Personally, I'll wait for the official release on Windows Update.
> I hope your download is secure and that you have no problems with it.
>
> C.B.
>
>[/color]
The SHA-1 hash matches too, so I'm happy that there is no difference.
Besides, sites like My Digital Life would not be providing links to the
torrents if there was a problem with them.

"Ronnie Vernon MVP" <rv@invalid.org> wrote in message
news:155C694A-3F03-4D39-AAF3-739100051B9E@microsoft.com...[color=blue]
> Brian
>
> It's not necessary to use the full Vista with SP1 package. The SP1 update
> will include a tool that removes anything replaced or orphaned by the SP1
> update package.[/color]

Fair enough, I'd still rather clean install though. I've always done the
same with each XP service pack.
[color=blue]
>
> --
>
> Ronnie Vernon
> Microsoft MVP
> Windows Desktop Experience
>
>
> "Brian W" <brian.wescombeSODOFF@ntlSPAMworld.com> wrote in message
> news:IVyBj.8785$5i5.3670@newsfe6-gui.ntli.net...[color=green]
>> Managed to get hold of the MSDN Vista SP1 integrated DVD image (thanks to
>> BitTorrent!). So my plan is to do a complete clean install, complete with
>> SP1.
>> Always perferable to using the SP1 update package IMO, as it clears out
>> all the updates and saves disk space.
>>
>>[/color]
>[/color]

I Am Halfway Tempted 2 Report You 2 [email]piracy@microsoft.com[/email], Because This
Offends Me As Both A Real MSDN Operating Systems Level Subscriber, And As A
Real Microsoft Tech Net Direct Subscriber, Just FYI. You Have 24 Hours 2
Remove Your Illegal Copy Of Windows Vista Service Pack One Before I Report
You 2 [email]piracy@microsoft.com[/email], Just FYI.

"Brian W" wrote:
[color=blue]
> Managed to get hold of the MSDN Vista SP1 integrated DVD image (thanks to
> BitTorrent!). So my plan is to do a complete clean install, complete with
> SP1.
> Always perferable to using the SP1 update package IMO, as it clears out all
> the updates and saves disk space.
>
>
>[/color]

Hi Brian

Yeah, me too. I prefer to clean install for any major update, like a service
pack.

--

Ronnie Vernon
Microsoft MVP
Windows Desktop Experience


"Brian W" <brian.wescombeSODOFF@ntlSPAMworld.com> wrote in message
news:AUCBj.21300$ki.19661@newsfe2-gui.ntli.net...[color=blue]
>
> "Ronnie Vernon MVP" <rv@invalid.org> wrote in message
> news:155C694A-3F03-4D39-AAF3-739100051B9E@microsoft.com...[color=green]
>> Brian
>>
>> It's not necessary to use the full Vista with SP1 package. The SP1 update
>> will include a tool that removes anything replaced or orphaned by the SP1
>> update package.[/color]
>
> Fair enough, I'd still rather clean install though. I've always done the
> same with each XP service pack.
>[color=green]
>>
>> --
>>
>> Ronnie Vernon
>> Microsoft MVP
>> Windows Desktop Experience
>>
>>
>> "Brian W" <brian.wescombeSODOFF@ntlSPAMworld.com> wrote in message
>> news:IVyBj.8785$5i5.3670@newsfe6-gui.ntli.net...[color=darkred]
>>> Managed to get hold of the MSDN Vista SP1 integrated DVD image (thanks
>>> to BitTorrent!). So my plan is to do a complete clean install, complete
>>> with SP1.
>>> Always perferable to using the SP1 update package IMO, as it clears out
>>> all the updates and saves disk space.
>>>
>>>[/color]
>>[/color]
>[/color]

C.B.

Your welcome. We had to fight hard for this tool during the beta.

--

Ronnie Vernon
Microsoft MVP
Windows Desktop Experience


"C.B." <notreallyc.b.mullen@windowslive.com> wrote in message
news:FCD86409-67F2-45F9-B32D-7E7C5835F091@microsoft.com...[color=blue]
>
>
> "Ronnie Vernon MVP" <rv@invalid.org> wrote in message
> news:155C694A-3F03-4D39-AAF3-739100051B9E@microsoft.com...[color=green]
>> Brian
>>
>> It's not necessary to use the full Vista with SP1 package. The SP1 update
>> will include a tool that removes anything replaced or orphaned by the SP1
>> update package.
>>
>> --
>>
>> Ronnie Vernon
>> Microsoft MVP
>> Windows Desktop Experience
>>
>>
>> "Brian W" <brian.wescombeSODOFF@ntlSPAMworld.com> wrote in message
>> news:IVyBj.8785$5i5.3670@newsfe6-gui.ntli.net...[color=darkred]
>>> Managed to get hold of the MSDN Vista SP1 integrated DVD image (thanks
>>> to BitTorrent!). So my plan is to do a complete clean install, complete
>>> with SP1.
>>> Always perferable to using the SP1 update package IMO, as it clears out
>>> all the updates and saves disk space.
>>>
>>>[/color]
>>[/color]
>
> Mr. Vernon,
>
> Although you were replying to Brian W I appreciate your answer. I
> always wondered if this was the case but never researched the issue or
> asked anyone about it.
>
> C.B.
>
>
> --
> It is the responsibility and duty of everyone to help the underprivileged
> and unfortunate among us.
>
>[/color]