"Brian W" <brian.wescombeSODOFF@ntlSPAMworld.com> wrote in message
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> "C.B." <notreallyc.b.mullen@windowslive.com> wrote in message
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>> "Brian W" <brian.wescombeSODOFF@ntlSPAMworld.com> wrote in message
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>>> "Rich" <dontbotherme@localhost> wrote in message
>>> news:eVvuX35gIHA.5752@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
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>>>> "Brian W" <brian.wescombeSODOFF@ntlSPAMworld.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:IVyBj.8785$5i5.3670@newsfe6-gui.ntli.net...
>>>>> Managed to get hold of the MSDN Vista SP1 integrated DVD image (thanks
>>>>> to BitTorrent!). So my plan is to do a complete clean install,
>>>>> complete with SP1.
>>>>> Always perferable to using the SP1 update package IMO, as it clears
>>>>> out all the updates and saves disk space.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> With disks being so cheap why bother trying to save space. Bit-torrent,
>>>> you get what you pay for!!
>>>
>>> I'd rather have a clean, efficient system without all the previous
>>> updates. The BitTorrent version has the same MD5 hash code as the MS
>>> download, I'm not silly!
>>>
>>>[/color]
>>
>> Brian W,
>>
>> The fact that the software you downloaded from BitTorrent has the
>> same MD5 hash code as the MS download does not necessarily mean that it
>> is the same software and/or that it is secure.
>> Vulnerabilities have been found in MD5, MD4 and even SHA-1.
>> Personally, I'll wait for the official release on Windows Update.
>> I hope your download is secure and that you have no problems with it.
>>
>> C.B.
>>
>>[/color]
> The SHA-1 hash matches too, so I'm happy that there is no difference.
> Besides, sites like My Digital Life would not be providing links to the
> torrents if there was a problem with them.
>[/color]

Brian W.

I'm not trying to argue with you. I'm just stating that it is better
and safer to wait for the official release from Microsoft provided via
Windows Update. Better because you will then have no doubt that the download
contains all the components. Safer because you are almost guaranteed it has
not been hacked while on Microsoft's servers.
All legitimate websites hope that the downloads they offer are safe and
not tampered with. However, there is no way to prevent a hacker from
altering the download even after it has been put on the website. This has
happened many times and can be verified. The fact the hashes are the same
does not mean they have not been altered after the verification.
There are ways to insert code into an application without the
application realizing changes have been made and there are ways to hide code
that cannot be discovered. I'm not a hacker so I don't know how to do this.
However, it has been done before and is also currently being done.
I may be wrong, but I think Microsoft offered an update years ago that
contained some kind of malware. I don't know if this malware was inserted
into the update by someone at Microsoft or an outside hacker. Again, I could
be incorrect about this issue. If so, then mea culpa.
I'm only trying to prevent you from compromising your system. However,
it is not my right to tell you how to use your own machine so you should
make the decision yourself.

C.B.


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and unfortunate among us.

Mr. Vernon,

I'm glad you fought for it yet it amazes me that you actually had to
fight for it. I really don't understand some of the things Microsoft does.
It seems like common sense to me that Microsoft would want to clean out
orphaned and duplicate entries. Thank you again for all your assistance.

C.B.


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"Ronnie Vernon MVP" <rv@invalid.org> wrote in message
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> C.B.
>
> Your welcome. We had to fight hard for this tool during the beta.
>
> --
>
> Ronnie Vernon
> Microsoft MVP
> Windows Desktop Experience
>
>
> "C.B." <notreallyc.b.mullen@windowslive.com> wrote in message
> news:FCD86409-67F2-45F9-B32D-7E7C5835F091@microsoft.com...[color=green]
>>
>>
>> "Ronnie Vernon MVP" <rv@invalid.org> wrote in message
>> news:155C694A-3F03-4D39-AAF3-739100051B9E@microsoft.com...[color=darkred]
>>> Brian
>>>
>>> It's not necessary to use the full Vista with SP1 package. The SP1
>>> update will include a tool that removes anything replaced or orphaned by
>>> the SP1 update package.
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> Ronnie Vernon
>>> Microsoft MVP
>>> Windows Desktop Experience
>>>
>>>
>>> "Brian W" <brian.wescombeSODOFF@ntlSPAMworld.com> wrote in message
>>> news:IVyBj.8785$5i5.3670@newsfe6-gui.ntli.net...
>>>> Managed to get hold of the MSDN Vista SP1 integrated DVD image (thanks
>>>> to BitTorrent!). So my plan is to do a complete clean install, complete
>>>> with SP1.
>>>> Always perferable to using the SP1 update package IMO, as it clears out
>>>> all the updates and saves disk space.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>[/color]
>>
>> Mr. Vernon,
>>
>> Although you were replying to Brian W I appreciate your answer. I
>> always wondered if this was the case but never researched the issue or
>> asked anyone about it.
>>
>> C.B.
>>
>>
>> --
>> It is the responsibility and duty of everyone to help the underprivileged
>> and unfortunate among us.
>>
>>[/color]
>[/color]

"Brian W" <brian.wescombeSODOFF@ntlSPAMworld.com> wrote in message
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>
> I'd rather have a clean, efficient system without all the previous
> updates. The BitTorrent version has the same MD5 hash code as the MS
> download, I'm not silly!
>[/color]


What is the MD5 hash code?

Cheers

ss.

It is command code that checks the integrity of files that you have
downloaded. For more information see: [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MD5[/url]

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"Synapse Syndrome" <synapse@NOSPAMsyndrome.me.uk> wrote in message
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> "Brian W" <brian.wescombeSODOFF@ntlSPAMworld.com> wrote in message
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>>
>> I'd rather have a clean, efficient system without all the previous
>> updates. The BitTorrent version has the same MD5 hash code as the MS
>> download, I'm not silly!
>>[/color]
>
>
> What is the MD5 hash code?
>
> Cheers
>
> ss.
>[/color]

"John Barnett MVP" <freelance@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
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>>
>> What is the MD5 hash code?[/color]
>
> It is command code that checks the integrity of files that you have
> downloaded. For more information see: [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MD5[/url][/color]


No, I know what MD5 hashcodes are. I have been using them for years, and
all my server FTP files ave hashcode files alongside.. I meant what is the
MD5 hashcode for the Vista SP1 ISO download.

ss.