FYI:

SP1 allows you to select individual vols to defrag via the GUI.
There is still no display of fragmentation or progress of defragging
It just took 12 minutes on my relatively new/clean setup of Vista with SP1,
though I had used XP SP2's on it 2 days ago.

Addendum:
My original post should have stated: ...though I had used XP SP2's
defragger on it 2 days ago

My original post:
FYI:

SP1 allows you to select individual vols to defrag via the GUI.
There is still no display of fragmentation or progress of defragging
It just took 12 minutes on my relatively new/clean setup of Vista with SP1,
though I had used XP SP2's on it 2 days ago.

You can download 2 free defrag utils here to use along with the vista one,
these
have visual feedback

(I like the first one better)

[url]http://www.auslogics.com/disk-defrag[/url]

[url]http://www.defraggler.com/[/url]



"CZ" <CZ@no99spam.com> wrote in message
news:%23Nq0a2wfIHA.1188@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...[color=blue]
> FYI:
>
> SP1 allows you to select individual vols to defrag via the GUI.
> There is still no display of fragmentation or progress of defragging
> It just took 12 minutes on my relatively new/clean setup of Vista with
> SP1, though I had used XP SP2's on it 2 days ago.[/color]

Listen, there is no need to download any "free" defrag utilities which may
well be malware. Vista does defrag in the background if you leave computer
overnight. it will even do it when the machine is in sleep mode with a power
saving option.

Don't worry about defrag. MS has taken care of it.


"CZ" <CZ@no99spam.com> wrote in message
news:%23Nq0a2wfIHA.1188@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...[color=blue]
> FYI:
>
> SP1 allows you to select individual vols to defrag via the GUI.
> There is still no display of fragmentation or progress of defragging
> It just took 12 minutes on my relatively new/clean setup of Vista with
> SP1, though I had used XP SP2's on it 2 days ago.[/color]

I bet you're like your hero McCain who sees a terrorist in every corner..
but with you every site or program that doesn't have a big fat Microsoft
logo on it
is malware... made by hackers to destroy your computer.. lol

Yes paranoia goes hand and hand with racism.. and you got both.


"AlexB" <alexb@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:ONGWEZyfIHA.4260@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...[color=blue]
> Listen, there is no need to download any "free" defrag utilities which may
> well be malware. Vista does defrag in the background if you leave computer
> overnight. it will even do it when the machine is in sleep mode with a
> power saving option.
>
> Don't worry about defrag. MS has taken care of it.
>
>
> "CZ" <CZ@no99spam.com> wrote in message
> news:%23Nq0a2wfIHA.1188@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...[color=green]
>> FYI:
>>
>> SP1 allows you to select individual vols to defrag via the GUI.
>> There is still no display of fragmentation or progress of defragging
>> It just took 12 minutes on my relatively new/clean setup of Vista with
>> SP1, though I had used XP SP2's on it 2 days ago.[/color]
>[/color]

I am not saying that everything you offer to people is malware.

What I am saying that

(1) Most of the stuff you offer is AVAILABLE in Vista. Then why will the
user pay cash for something that simply duplicates existing services. I bet
most of them use elementary DOS commands or VBScript files generated on a
temporary basis form an "exec."

(2) If you give me an iron clad assurance that what I download as "free"
software is malware free for every offer out there and back it up with a
good bet, I will take it. If enough cash is provided I will do hard nosed
research trying to prove my point. I think you have a good chance to lose
your shirt.

It is a know fact that most of them are Trojan horses.

The reason I am so concerned about it that I realize that security of my
computing depends on security of the whole community. If malware progenitors
have no foothold my computers will be problem free. The malware is
contagious.

Also I am concerned that people are being ripped off for the lack of
knowledge about simple available options like DOS commands.



"On the Bridge!" <On@the,Bridge> wrote in message
news:47cf4607$1@newsgate.x-privat.org...[color=blue]
>I bet you're like your hero McCain who sees a terrorist in every corner..
> but with you every site or program that doesn't have a big fat Microsoft
> logo on it
> is malware... made by hackers to destroy your computer.. lol
>
> Yes paranoia goes hand and hand with racism.. and you got both.
>
>
> "AlexB" <alexb@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:ONGWEZyfIHA.4260@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...[color=green]
>> Listen, there is no need to download any "free" defrag utilities which
>> may well be malware. Vista does defrag in the background if you leave
>> computer overnight. it will even do it when the machine is in sleep mode
>> with a power saving option.
>>
>> Don't worry about defrag. MS has taken care of it.
>>
>>
>> "CZ" <CZ@no99spam.com> wrote in message
>> news:%23Nq0a2wfIHA.1188@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...[color=darkred]
>>> FYI:
>>>
>>> SP1 allows you to select individual vols to defrag via the GUI.
>>> There is still no display of fragmentation or progress of defragging
>>> It just took 12 minutes on my relatively new/clean setup of Vista with
>>> SP1, though I had used XP SP2's on it 2 days ago.[/color]
>>[/color]
>
>[/color]

AlexB wrote:
[color=blue]
> I am not saying that everything you offer to people is malware.
>
> What I am saying that
>
> (1) Most of the stuff you offer is AVAILABLE in Vista. Then why will the
> user pay cash for something that simply duplicates existing services. I
> bet most of them use elementary DOS commands or VBScript files generated
> on a temporary basis form an "exec."
>
> (2) If you give me an iron clad assurance that what I download as "free"
> software is malware free for every offer out there and back it up with a
> good bet, I will take it. If enough cash is provided I will do hard nosed
> research trying to prove my point. I think you have a good chance to lose
> your shirt.
>
> It is a know fact that most of them are Trojan horses.
>
> The reason I am so concerned about it that I realize that security of my
> computing depends on security of the whole community. If malware
> progenitors have no foothold my computers will be problem free. The
> malware is contagious.
>
> Also I am concerned that people are being ripped off for the lack of
> knowledge about simple available options like DOS commands.
>
>[/color]
If you're going to be that paranoid about malware, it's time you switched to
Linux.

Cheers.

[color=blue]
>
> "On the Bridge!" <On@the,Bridge> wrote in message
> news:47cf4607$1@newsgate.x-privat.org...[color=green]
>>I bet you're like your hero McCain who sees a terrorist in every corner..
>> but with you every site or program that doesn't have a big fat Microsoft
>> logo on it
>> is malware... made by hackers to destroy your computer.. lol
>>
>> Yes paranoia goes hand and hand with racism.. and you got both.
>>
>>
>> "AlexB" <alexb@comcast.net> wrote in message
>> news:ONGWEZyfIHA.4260@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...[color=darkred]
>>> Listen, there is no need to download any "free" defrag utilities which
>>> may well be malware. Vista does defrag in the background if you leave
>>> computer overnight. it will even do it when the machine is in sleep mode
>>> with a power saving option.
>>>
>>> Don't worry about defrag. MS has taken care of it.
>>>
>>>
>>> "CZ" <CZ@no99spam.com> wrote in message
>>> news:%23Nq0a2wfIHA.1188@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>>> FYI:
>>>>
>>>> SP1 allows you to select individual vols to defrag via the GUI.
>>>> There is still no display of fragmentation or progress of defragging
>>>> It just took 12 minutes on my relatively new/clean setup of Vista with
>>>> SP1, though I had used XP SP2's on it 2 days ago.
>>>[/color]
>>
>>[/color][/color]

--
What does Bill Gates use?
[url]http://tinyurl.com/2zxhdl[/url]

Proprietary Software: a 20th Century software business model.

AlexB's abacus: [url]http://www.poppystoys.co.uk/shop/baby-toys/caterpillar.jpg[/url]
The closest to "computing" that man should go.

Frank, hard at work on his Vista computer all day:
[url]http://redwing.hutman.net/~mreed/warriorshtm/compost.htm[/url]

I actually considered it for a very very special operation but for that no
Internet access will be needed, only LAN and it will be highly
computational. It is way in the future. I may be actually looking into Unix.

For all things considered Linux is a dead horse as far as any flexibility
and stability goes. It is a firm fact.

"NoStop" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:fqnjg3115qv@news4.newsguy.com...[color=blue]
> AlexB wrote:
>[color=green]
>> I am not saying that everything you offer to people is malware.
>>
>> What I am saying that
>>
>> (1) Most of the stuff you offer is AVAILABLE in Vista. Then why will the
>> user pay cash for something that simply duplicates existing services. I
>> bet most of them use elementary DOS commands or VBScript files generated
>> on a temporary basis form an "exec."
>>
>> (2) If you give me an iron clad assurance that what I download as "free"
>> software is malware free for every offer out there and back it up with a
>> good bet, I will take it. If enough cash is provided I will do hard nosed
>> research trying to prove my point. I think you have a good chance to lose
>> your shirt.
>>
>> It is a know fact that most of them are Trojan horses.
>>
>> The reason I am so concerned about it that I realize that security of my
>> computing depends on security of the whole community. If malware
>> progenitors have no foothold my computers will be problem free. The
>> malware is contagious.
>>
>> Also I am concerned that people are being ripped off for the lack of
>> knowledge about simple available options like DOS commands.
>>
>>[/color]
> If you're going to be that paranoid about malware, it's time you switched
> to
> Linux.
>
> Cheers.
>
>[color=green]
>>
>> "On the Bridge!" <On@the,Bridge> wrote in message
>> news:47cf4607$1@newsgate.x-privat.org...[color=darkred]
>>>I bet you're like your hero McCain who sees a terrorist in every corner..
>>> but with you every site or program that doesn't have a big fat Microsoft
>>> logo on it
>>> is malware... made by hackers to destroy your computer.. lol
>>>
>>> Yes paranoia goes hand and hand with racism.. and you got both.
>>>
>>>
>>> "AlexB" <alexb@comcast.net> wrote in message
>>> news:ONGWEZyfIHA.4260@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>>> Listen, there is no need to download any "free" defrag utilities which
>>>> may well be malware. Vista does defrag in the background if you leave
>>>> computer overnight. it will even do it when the machine is in sleep
>>>> mode
>>>> with a power saving option.
>>>>
>>>> Don't worry about defrag. MS has taken care of it.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "CZ" <CZ@no99spam.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:%23Nq0a2wfIHA.1188@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>>>> FYI:
>>>>>
>>>>> SP1 allows you to select individual vols to defrag via the GUI.
>>>>> There is still no display of fragmentation or progress of defragging
>>>>> It just took 12 minutes on my relatively new/clean setup of Vista with
>>>>> SP1, though I had used XP SP2's on it 2 days ago.
>>>>
>>>
>>>[/color][/color]
>
> --
> What does Bill Gates use?
> [url]http://tinyurl.com/2zxhdl[/url]
>
> Proprietary Software: a 20th Century software business model.
>
> AlexB's abacus: [url]http://www.poppystoys.co.uk/shop/baby-toys/caterpillar.jpg[/url]
> The closest to "computing" that man should go.
>
> Frank, hard at work on his Vista computer all day:
> [url]http://redwing.hutman.net/~mreed/warriorshtm/compost.htm[/url]
>[/color]

I give people top quality professional advice, most of the times its stuff I
have tested myself,
but in the rare occasion that its something that I have not tested myself I
tell them.

I deeply care about users... and I always give 110% ... I would never tell
them to download something that may have malware.

There is not one chance in a quadrillion that those programs I suggested
have any malware.

If you KNEW more about general products and not only what Microsoft gives
you then you would know that these programs are being suggested by many
techs, not only me.

The built in stuff that Microsoft has are very basic, for more serious stuff
or more features you install other programs dah.... its like saying you
should install Photoshop because it may be malware.. and you have Microsoft
paint built in to vista. Visual feedback is considered a feature...

if you don't believe visual feedback is important PLEASE UNPLUG YOUR MONITOR
AND SIT
THERE STARRING AT YOUR EMPTY SCREEN!

Cut the nonsense... some people in here know what they are talking about.
Clean up your act, have more acceptance for people around the world, stop
being such a racist,
and I will promise you that we can get along very well.



"AlexB" <alexb@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:eSSKp0yfIHA.4396@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...[color=blue]
>I am not saying that everything you offer to people is malware.
>
> What I am saying that
>
> (1) Most of the stuff you offer is AVAILABLE in Vista. Then why will the
> user pay cash for something that simply duplicates existing services. I
> bet most of them use elementary DOS commands or VBScript files generated
> on a temporary basis form an "exec."
>
> (2) If you give me an iron clad assurance that what I download as "free"
> software is malware free for every offer out there and back it up with a
> good bet, I will take it. If enough cash is provided I will do hard nosed
> research trying to prove my point. I think you have a good chance to lose
> your shirt.
>
> It is a know fact that most of them are Trojan horses.
>
> The reason I am so concerned about it that I realize that security of my
> computing depends on security of the whole community. If malware
> progenitors have no foothold my computers will be problem free. The
> malware is contagious.
>
> Also I am concerned that people are being ripped off for the lack of
> knowledge about simple available options like DOS commands.
>
>
>
> "On the Bridge!" <On@the,Bridge> wrote in message
> news:47cf4607$1@newsgate.x-privat.org...[color=green]
>>I bet you're like your hero McCain who sees a terrorist in every corner..
>> but with you every site or program that doesn't have a big fat Microsoft
>> logo on it
>> is malware... made by hackers to destroy your computer.. lol
>>
>> Yes paranoia goes hand and hand with racism.. and you got both.
>>
>>
>> "AlexB" <alexb@comcast.net> wrote in message
>> news:ONGWEZyfIHA.4260@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...[color=darkred]
>>> Listen, there is no need to download any "free" defrag utilities which
>>> may well be malware. Vista does defrag in the background if you leave
>>> computer overnight. it will even do it when the machine is in sleep mode
>>> with a power saving option.
>>>
>>> Don't worry about defrag. MS has taken care of it.
>>>
>>>
>>> "CZ" <CZ@no99spam.com> wrote in message
>>> news:%23Nq0a2wfIHA.1188@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>>> FYI:
>>>>
>>>> SP1 allows you to select individual vols to defrag via the GUI.
>>>> There is still no display of fragmentation or progress of defragging
>>>> It just took 12 minutes on my relatively new/clean setup of Vista with
>>>> SP1, though I had used XP SP2's on it 2 days ago.
>>>[/color]
>>
>>[/color]
>[/color]

MS provides almost all needed services and there is not need for more for
most people.

Most of the add-ons people download from your websites are used only on a
limited basis.

Don't tell me that sh*it. You are "professional." Professionals do not
behave this way.

I will do my best to show people around here that MS has most of the stuff
you hide, never mention because you make money on selling those crap*py
pieces. It is up to them to compare and make a decision.

My decision is final. As long as I am in this group you will have no way. No
Pasaran!

"On the Bridge!" <On@the,Bridge> wrote in message
news:47cf5700$1@newsgate.x-privat.org...[color=blue]
>I give people top quality professional advice, most of the times its stuff
>I have tested myself,
> but in the rare occasion that its something that I have not tested myself
> I tell them.
>
> I deeply care about users... and I always give 110% ... I would never tell
> them to download something that may have malware.
>
> There is not one chance in a quadrillion that those programs I suggested
> have any malware.
>
> If you KNEW more about general products and not only what Microsoft gives
> you then you would know that these programs are being suggested by many
> techs, not only me.
>
> The built in stuff that Microsoft has are very basic, for more serious
> stuff or more features you install other programs dah.... its like saying
> you should install Photoshop because it may be malware.. and you have
> Microsoft paint built in to vista. Visual feedback is considered a
> feature...
>
> if you don't believe visual feedback is important PLEASE UNPLUG YOUR
> MONITOR AND SIT
> THERE STARRING AT YOUR EMPTY SCREEN!
>
> Cut the nonsense... some people in here know what they are talking about.
> Clean up your act, have more acceptance for people around the world, stop
> being such a racist,
> and I will promise you that we can get along very well.
>
>
>
> "AlexB" <alexb@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:eSSKp0yfIHA.4396@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...[color=green]
>>I am not saying that everything you offer to people is malware.
>>
>> What I am saying that
>>
>> (1) Most of the stuff you offer is AVAILABLE in Vista. Then why will the
>> user pay cash for something that simply duplicates existing services. I
>> bet most of them use elementary DOS commands or VBScript files generated
>> on a temporary basis form an "exec."
>>
>> (2) If you give me an iron clad assurance that what I download as "free"
>> software is malware free for every offer out there and back it up with a
>> good bet, I will take it. If enough cash is provided I will do hard nosed
>> research trying to prove my point. I think you have a good chance to lose
>> your shirt.
>>
>> It is a know fact that most of them are Trojan horses.
>>
>> The reason I am so concerned about it that I realize that security of my
>> computing depends on security of the whole community. If malware
>> progenitors have no foothold my computers will be problem free. The
>> malware is contagious.
>>
>> Also I am concerned that people are being ripped off for the lack of
>> knowledge about simple available options like DOS commands.
>>
>>
>>
>> "On the Bridge!" <On@the,Bridge> wrote in message
>> news:47cf4607$1@newsgate.x-privat.org...[color=darkred]
>>>I bet you're like your hero McCain who sees a terrorist in every corner..
>>> but with you every site or program that doesn't have a big fat Microsoft
>>> logo on it
>>> is malware... made by hackers to destroy your computer.. lol
>>>
>>> Yes paranoia goes hand and hand with racism.. and you got both.
>>>
>>>
>>> "AlexB" <alexb@comcast.net> wrote in message
>>> news:ONGWEZyfIHA.4260@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>>> Listen, there is no need to download any "free" defrag utilities which
>>>> may well be malware. Vista does defrag in the background if you leave
>>>> computer overnight. it will even do it when the machine is in sleep
>>>> mode with a power saving option.
>>>>
>>>> Don't worry about defrag. MS has taken care of it.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "CZ" <CZ@no99spam.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:%23Nq0a2wfIHA.1188@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>>>> FYI:
>>>>>
>>>>> SP1 allows you to select individual vols to defrag via the GUI.
>>>>> There is still no display of fragmentation or progress of defragging
>>>>> It just took 12 minutes on my relatively new/clean setup of Vista with
>>>>> SP1, though I had used XP SP2's on it 2 days ago.
>>>>
>>>
>>>[/color]
>>[/color]
>
>[/color]

you are one messed up kid, there is no malware involved and you know it,
there are no hackers involved and you know it... either you know it or you
are crazy! I dont know why you are doing and saying all this misinformation
all the time.

gesh...

Your desision is final that you will keep on being the crappy person you
where before...

Ok you are just making a fool of yourself, giving people the absolutly worst
impression about you.

You further try to justify yourself saying that whoever dislikes you is ...
fill in the dots with
racism and hate.

You have issues boy... you will never be happy. Im sorry I even took the
time and bothered replying to you. It seems unfortunatly you are not worth
the effort.

"AlexB" <alexb@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:Oz7r%236zfIHA.4684@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...[color=blue]
> MS provides almost all needed services and there is not need for more for
> most people.
>
> Most of the add-ons people download from your websites are used only on a
> limited basis.
>
> Don't tell me that sh*it. You are "professional." Professionals do not
> behave this way.
>
> I will do my best to show people around here that MS has most of the stuff
> you hide, never mention because you make money on selling those crap*py
> pieces. It is up to them to compare and make a decision.
>
> My decision is final. As long as I am in this group you will have no way.
> No Pasaran!
>
> "On the Bridge!" <On@the,Bridge> wrote in message
> news:47cf5700$1@newsgate.x-privat.org...[color=green]
>>I give people top quality professional advice, most of the times its stuff
>>I have tested myself,
>> but in the rare occasion that its something that I have not tested myself
>> I tell them.
>>
>> I deeply care about users... and I always give 110% ... I would never
>> tell them to download something that may have malware.
>>
>> There is not one chance in a quadrillion that those programs I suggested
>> have any malware.
>>
>> If you KNEW more about general products and not only what Microsoft gives
>> you then you would know that these programs are being suggested by many
>> techs, not only me.
>>
>> The built in stuff that Microsoft has are very basic, for more serious
>> stuff or more features you install other programs dah.... its like saying
>> you should install Photoshop because it may be malware.. and you have
>> Microsoft paint built in to vista. Visual feedback is considered a
>> feature...
>>
>> if you don't believe visual feedback is important PLEASE UNPLUG YOUR
>> MONITOR AND SIT
>> THERE STARRING AT YOUR EMPTY SCREEN!
>>
>> Cut the nonsense... some people in here know what they are talking about.
>> Clean up your act, have more acceptance for people around the world, stop
>> being such a racist,
>> and I will promise you that we can get along very well.
>>
>>
>>
>> "AlexB" <alexb@comcast.net> wrote in message
>> news:eSSKp0yfIHA.4396@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...[color=darkred]
>>>I am not saying that everything you offer to people is malware.
>>>
>>> What I am saying that
>>>
>>> (1) Most of the stuff you offer is AVAILABLE in Vista. Then why will the
>>> user pay cash for something that simply duplicates existing services. I
>>> bet most of them use elementary DOS commands or VBScript files generated
>>> on a temporary basis form an "exec."
>>>
>>> (2) If you give me an iron clad assurance that what I download as "free"
>>> software is malware free for every offer out there and back it up with a
>>> good bet, I will take it. If enough cash is provided I will do hard
>>> nosed research trying to prove my point. I think you have a good chance
>>> to lose your shirt.
>>>
>>> It is a know fact that most of them are Trojan horses.
>>>
>>> The reason I am so concerned about it that I realize that security of my
>>> computing depends on security of the whole community. If malware
>>> progenitors have no foothold my computers will be problem free. The
>>> malware is contagious.
>>>
>>> Also I am concerned that people are being ripped off for the lack of
>>> knowledge about simple available options like DOS commands.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "On the Bridge!" <On@the,Bridge> wrote in message
>>> news:47cf4607$1@newsgate.x-privat.org...
>>>>I bet you're like your hero McCain who sees a terrorist in every
>>>>corner..
>>>> but with you every site or program that doesn't have a big fat
>>>> Microsoft logo on it
>>>> is malware... made by hackers to destroy your computer.. lol
>>>>
>>>> Yes paranoia goes hand and hand with racism.. and you got both.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "AlexB" <alexb@comcast.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:ONGWEZyfIHA.4260@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>>>> Listen, there is no need to download any "free" defrag utilities which
>>>>> may well be malware. Vista does defrag in the background if you leave
>>>>> computer overnight. it will even do it when the machine is in sleep
>>>>> mode with a power saving option.
>>>>>
>>>>> Don't worry about defrag. MS has taken care of it.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "CZ" <CZ@no99spam.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:%23Nq0a2wfIHA.1188@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>>>>> FYI:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> SP1 allows you to select individual vols to defrag via the GUI.
>>>>>> There is still no display of fragmentation or progress of defragging
>>>>>> It just took 12 minutes on my relatively new/clean setup of Vista
>>>>>> with SP1, though I had used XP SP2's on it 2 days ago.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>[/color]
>>
>>[/color]
>[/color]

"On the Bridge!" <On@the,Bridge> wrote in message
news:47cf5700$1@newsgate.x-privat.org...[color=blue]
>I give people top quality professional advice, most of the times its stuff
>I have tested myself,[/color]

So you give professional advice? Here is the question:

Do I overseed my lawn and try to thicken things up with good quality grass,
or do I put down the Turf Builder with Halts Crabgrass preventer to ensure I
don't get that nasty stuff poping up in my yard this year. Crabgrass was
pretty bad last year, but I'm working with builder-grad (read: crappy) sod
and trying really hard to improve it with better quality grass seed. But in
doing the latter each of the past couple of years, I think i've helped the
crabgrass really take route in my yard.
The problem is the pre-emergent that prevents crabgrass from growing also
prevents new grass from growing.... so it really is one or the other. I
think after two years taking the overseeding route, I have to do the
crabgrass prevention and wait til the fall to try to overseed. Any
thoughts/comments/suggestions?

On the Bridge! wrote:[color=blue]
> I bet you're like your hero McCain who sees a terrorist in every
> corner.. but with you every site or program that doesn't have a big
> fat Microsoft logo on it
> is malware... made by hackers to destroy your computer.. lol
>
> Yes paranoia goes hand and hand with racism.. and you got both.
>[/color]

There IS a terrorist on every corner! They call themselves "Democrats."

Why just the other day a Marine found a terrorists disguised as a puppy.

AlexB wrote:[color=blue]
> Listen, there is no need to download any "free" defrag utilities which
> may well be malware. Vista does defrag in the background if you leave
> computer overnight. it will even do it when the machine is in sleep mode
> with a power saving option.
>
> Don't worry about defrag. MS has taken care of it.
>
>
> "CZ" <CZ@no99spam.com> wrote in message
> news:%23Nq0a2wfIHA.1188@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...[color=green]
>> FYI:
>>
>> SP1 allows you to select individual vols to defrag via the GUI.
>> There is still no display of fragmentation or progress of defragging
>> It just took 12 minutes on my relatively new/clean setup of Vista with
>> SP1, though I had used XP SP2's on it 2 days ago.[/color]
>[/color]

Some reasons to use a third party defrag are

The packaged defrag application in Vista does not defragment
System Files in use
Paging File
MFT
and cannot defragment an individual folder.

While some of the third party applications can do this.

Probably the best suggestion (but a little on the expensive side) would be
to just
Pave the yard or use Concrete!