also the windows defrag does not really optimize the placement of the files
on the disks
as others do.

The built in defrag as with all built in tools that windows has, is just a
generic tool that may be ok for some but not for everyone. From other posts
it seems that AlexB does not have much experience with real world situations
and the needs of real users.

"Jeanette" <jrusso2********.com> wrote in message
news:uAb79F7fIHA.1184@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...[color=blue]
> AlexB wrote:[color=green]
>> Listen, there is no need to download any "free" defrag utilities which
>> may well be malware. Vista does defrag in the background if you leave
>> computer overnight. it will even do it when the machine is in sleep mode
>> with a power saving option.
>>
>> Don't worry about defrag. MS has taken care of it.
>>
>>
>> "CZ" <CZ@no99spam.com> wrote in message
>> news:%23Nq0a2wfIHA.1188@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...[color=darkred]
>>> FYI:
>>>
>>> SP1 allows you to select individual vols to defrag via the GUI.
>>> There is still no display of fragmentation or progress of defragging
>>> It just took 12 minutes on my relatively new/clean setup of Vista with
>>> SP1, though I had used XP SP2's on it 2 days ago.[/color]
>>[/color]
>
> Some reasons to use a third party defrag are
>
> The packaged defrag application in Vista does not defragment
> System Files in use
> Paging File
> MFT
> and cannot defragment an individual folder.
>
> While some of the third party applications can do this.[/color]

you are smoking all that grass

"Bill Yanaire" <Bill@yaniaire.com> wrote in message
news:%23kiEeU6fIHA.2004@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...[color=blue]
>
> "On the Bridge!" <On@the,Bridge> wrote in message
> news:47cf5700$1@newsgate.x-privat.org...[color=green]
>>I give people top quality professional advice, most of the times its stuff
>>I have tested myself,[/color]
>
> So you give professional advice? Here is the question:
>
> Do I overseed my lawn and try to thicken things up with good quality
> grass, or do I put down the Turf Builder with Halts Crabgrass preventer to
> ensure I don't get that nasty stuff poping up in my yard this year.
> Crabgrass was pretty bad last year, but I'm working with builder-grad
> (read: crappy) sod and trying really hard to improve it with better
> quality grass seed. But in doing the latter each of the past couple of
> years, I think i've helped the crabgrass really take route in my yard.
> The problem is the pre-emergent that prevents crabgrass from growing also
> prevents new grass from growing.... so it really is one or the other. I
> think after two years taking the overseeding route, I have to do the
> crabgrass prevention and wait til the fall to try to overseed. Any
> thoughts/comments/suggestions?
>
>[/color]

In article <#kiEeU6fIHA.2004@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl>,
Bill Yanaire <Bill@yaniaire.com> wrote:[color=blue]
>
>Do I overseed my lawn and try to thicken things up with good quality grass,[/color]

Dig it all up and spread some nice pea gravel. Problem solved.

Note that gravel isn't supported under Vista so you'll need to
upgrade to XP.

Or Linux. Gravel is fine with Linux.

If you were running Ubuntu you wouldn't have any crabgrass and wouldn't have
the need to overseed.

"Bill Yanaire" <Bill@yaniaire.com> wrote in message
news:%23kiEeU6fIHA.2004@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...[color=blue]
>
> "On the Bridge!" <On@the,Bridge> wrote in message
> news:47cf5700$1@newsgate.x-privat.org...[color=green]
>>I give people top quality professional advice, most of the times its stuff
>>I have tested myself,[/color]
>
> So you give professional advice? Here is the question:
>
> Do I overseed my lawn and try to thicken things up with good quality
> grass, or do I put down the Turf Builder with Halts Crabgrass preventer to
> ensure I don't get that nasty stuff poping up in my yard this year.
> Crabgrass was pretty bad last year, but I'm working with builder-grad
> (read: crappy) sod and trying really hard to improve it with better
> quality grass seed. But in doing the latter each of the past couple of
> years, I think i've helped the crabgrass really take route in my yard.
> The problem is the pre-emergent that prevents crabgrass from growing also
> prevents new grass from growing.... so it really is one or the other. I
> think after two years taking the overseeding route, I have to do the
> crabgrass prevention and wait til the fall to try to overseed. Any
> thoughts/comments/suggestions?
>
>[/color]

Add the good grass seed. Don't use a pre-emergent. Spot treat existing crab
grass with a post emergent spray compatible with your lawn grass variety.
Wait as long as possible so the new seed roots well. As long as you get the
crab grass before it flowers you'll win.

"Bill Yanaire" <Bill@yaniaire.com> wrote in message
news:%23kiEeU6fIHA.2004@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...[color=blue]
>
> "On the Bridge!" <On@the,Bridge> wrote in message
> news:47cf5700$1@newsgate.x-privat.org...[color=green]
>>I give people top quality professional advice, most of the times its stuff
>>I have tested myself,[/color]
>
> So you give professional advice? Here is the question:
>
> Do I overseed my lawn and try to thicken things up with good quality
> grass, or do I put down the Turf Builder with Halts Crabgrass preventer to
> ensure I don't get that nasty stuff poping up in my yard this year.
> Crabgrass was pretty bad last year, but I'm working with builder-grad
> (read: crappy) sod and trying really hard to improve it with better
> quality grass seed. But in doing the latter each of the past couple of
> years, I think i've helped the crabgrass really take route in my yard.
> The problem is the pre-emergent that prevents crabgrass from growing also
> prevents new grass from growing.... so it really is one or the other. I
> think after two years taking the overseeding route, I have to do the
> crabgrass prevention and wait til the fall to try to overseed. Any
> thoughts/comments/suggestions?
>
>[/color]