[url]http://money.cnn.com/2008/02/23/technology/vista_classaction.ap/[/url]

"Neither of the two people who filed the original lawsuit participated
in a program Microsoft (MSFT, Fortune 500) devised to help people who
bought new computers before Vista's launch upgrade later to the new
operating system, but they argued nonetheless that people who bought
"Vista Capable" computers were harmed because they could only run a
basic version of Vista."

They see deep pockets in MS and are doing this strictly for the money.
Real scumbags.
Frank

Oh come on Frank, if you knew nothing about Vista and bought a "vista
capable" laptop that had XP
and Vista as a free upgrade, wouldn't you be pissed of if you later found
out that Vista capable means
that it can run vista in basic mode without the aero glass?

Remember simple folk don't know what aero 3d glass means, but when they see
their friends laptop having aero, and theirs not, they will certainly feel
mislead...

The correct term should be "Vista BASIC capable" with a good explanation to
what that means.
Anything else is misleading and a way to PUT money in their pockets in a
dishonest way.

Of course MS should be sued, so they will be more transparent and open and
honest.


"Frank" <fb@osspan.clm> wrote in message
news:eP$XGlUfIHA.4476@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...[color=blue]
>
> [url]http://money.cnn.com/2008/02/23/technology/vista_classaction.ap/[/url]
>
> "Neither of the two people who filed the original lawsuit participated in
> a program Microsoft (MSFT, Fortune 500) devised to help people who bought
> new computers before Vista's launch upgrade later to the new operating
> system, but they argued nonetheless that people who bought "Vista Capable"
> computers were harmed because they could only run a basic version of
> Vista."
>
> They see deep pockets in MS and are doing this strictly for the money.
> Real scumbags.
> Frank[/color]

On the Bridge! wrote:
[color=blue]
> Oh come on Frank, if you knew nothing about Vista and bought a "vista
> capable" laptop that had XP
> and Vista as a free upgrade, wouldn't you be pissed of if you later found
> out that Vista capable means
> that it can run vista in basic mode without the aero glass?[/color]

The person I would be pissed at first, would be me...and secondly...the
person who sold the computer to me, and thirdly, the store who failed to
properly trained the person selling the computer.[color=blue]
>
> Remember simple folk don't know what aero 3d glass means, but when they see
> their friends laptop having aero, and theirs not, they will certainly feel
> mislead...
>
> The correct term should be "Vista BASIC capable" with a good explanation to
> what that means.
> Anything else is misleading and a way to PUT money in their pockets in a
> dishonest way.
>
> Of course MS should be sued, so they will be more transparent and open and
> honest.[/color]

I guess you never saw the Vista training video from MS that was sent to
all of the electronic stores for training those employees who would be
selling Vista computers with those "stickers" on them right?
I don't think the lawsuit will be won by the plaintiffs if MS proves
that they did their part in providing the necessary training tools for
those stores and it's employees. That is being rather "transparent".
It appears (no sh*t!) that the stores didn't follow thru in the proper
manner.
Frank

A world is an awful large place frank... and vista is sold world wide,
what is easier? To be clear right in front about what the vista ready really
means,
or train every single computer sales man in the world? lol





"Frank" <fb@osspan.clm> wrote in message
news:um5bIPXfIHA.484@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...[color=blue]
> On the Bridge! wrote:
>[color=green]
>> Oh come on Frank, if you knew nothing about Vista and bought a "vista
>> capable" laptop that had XP
>> and Vista as a free upgrade, wouldn't you be pissed of if you later found
>> out that Vista capable means
>> that it can run vista in basic mode without the aero glass?[/color]
>
> The person I would be pissed at first, would be me...and secondly...the
> person who sold the computer to me, and thirdly, the store who failed to
> properly trained the person selling the computer.[color=green]
>>
>> Remember simple folk don't know what aero 3d glass means, but when they
>> see their friends laptop having aero, and theirs not, they will certainly
>> feel mislead...
>>
>> The correct term should be "Vista BASIC capable" with a good explanation
>> to what that means.
>> Anything else is misleading and a way to PUT money in their pockets in a
>> dishonest way.
>>
>> Of course MS should be sued, so they will be more transparent and open
>> and honest.[/color]
>
> I guess you never saw the Vista training video from MS that was sent to
> all of the electronic stores for training those employees who would be
> selling Vista computers with those "stickers" on them right?
> I don't think the lawsuit will be won by the plaintiffs if MS proves that
> they did their part in providing the necessary training tools for those
> stores and it's employees. That is being rather "transparent".
> It appears (no sh*t!) that the stores didn't follow thru in the proper
> manner.
> Frank[/color]

On the Bridge! wrote:[color=blue]
> A world is an awful large place frank... and vista is sold world wide,
> what is easier? To be clear right in front about what the vista ready really
> means,
> or train every single computer sales man in the world?[/color]

Well who do you think is supposed to relay to the consumer, exactly what
it is that they are buying? MS provided the necessary training tools and
it is up to the stores to properly train their employees.
Look at cars...they too are world wide and they come in all model even
from the same manufacturer. And it's up to the sales person to know his
product.
So yes, every single computer sales person in the world should be
properly trained about the product they're selling.
Oh, that's marketing 101...the most basic of all basics.
Frank

I remember when Vista Capable computers went on sale, and at no point did
Microsoft mislead anybody. The computers were advertised as being able to
run Vista, but not all of Vista's features. A "Vista Capable" machine will
even run Ultimate. Just not with Aero.

If is not Microsofts fault that people don't do research before buying
expensive products. Microsoft made the information available.

"On the Bridge!" wrote:
[color=blue]
> Oh come on Frank, if you knew nothing about Vista and bought a "vista
> capable" laptop that had XP
> and Vista as a free upgrade, wouldn't you be pissed of if you later found
> out that Vista capable means
> that it can run vista in basic mode without the aero glass?
>
> Remember simple folk don't know what aero 3d glass means, but when they see
> their friends laptop having aero, and theirs not, they will certainly feel
> mislead...
>
> The correct term should be "Vista BASIC capable" with a good explanation to
> what that means.
> Anything else is misleading and a way to PUT money in their pockets in a
> dishonest way.
>
> Of course MS should be sued, so they will be more transparent and open and
> honest.
>
>
> "Frank" <fb@osspan.clm> wrote in message
> news:eP$XGlUfIHA.4476@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...[color=green]
> >
> > [url]http://money.cnn.com/2008/02/23/technology/vista_classaction.ap/[/url]
> >
> > "Neither of the two people who filed the original lawsuit participated in
> > a program Microsoft (MSFT, Fortune 500) devised to help people who bought
> > new computers before Vista's launch upgrade later to the new operating
> > system, but they argued nonetheless that people who bought "Vista Capable"
> > computers were harmed because they could only run a basic version of
> > Vista."
> >
> > They see deep pockets in MS and are doing this strictly for the money.
> > Real scumbags.
> > Frank[/color]
>
>
>[/color]

"Frank" wrote:
[color=blue]
> On the Bridge! wrote:[color=green]
> > A world is an awful large place frank... and vista is sold world wide,
> > what is easier? To be clear right in front about what the vista ready really
> > means,
> > or train every single computer sales man in the world?[/color]
>
> Well who do you think is supposed to relay to the consumer, exactly what
> it is that they are buying? MS provided the necessary training tools and
> it is up to the stores to properly train their employees.
> Look at cars...they too are world wide and they come in all model even
> from the same manufacturer. And it's up to the sales person to know his
> product.
> So yes, every single computer sales person in the world should be
> properly trained about the product they're selling.
> Oh, that's marketing 101...the most basic of all basics.
> Frank
>[/color]
Agreed. People here post about all the work they do to research and buy
hardware. The truth is, most people buy what the salespeople sell them. We
all have opinions on expertise of staff at Circuit City, Best Buy, Fry's,
etc., and I definitely have an opinion on the objectiveness of sales staff
during the holiday sales season. Christmas had poor timing in relation to
Vista's release ;) and the message was: "No need to wait until January! Buy
now! Upgrade to Vista later!"

PNutts wrote:[color=blue]
> "Frank" wrote:
>[color=green]
>> On the Bridge! wrote:[color=darkred]
>>> A world is an awful large place frank... and vista is sold world wide,
>>> what is easier? To be clear right in front about what the vista ready really
>>> means,
>>> or train every single computer sales man in the world?[/color]
>> Well who do you think is supposed to relay to the consumer, exactly what
>> it is that they are buying? MS provided the necessary training tools and
>> it is up to the stores to properly train their employees.
>> Look at cars...they too are world wide and they come in all model even
>> from the same manufacturer. And it's up to the sales person to know his
>> product.
>> So yes, every single computer sales person in the world should be
>> properly trained about the product they're selling.
>> Oh, that's marketing 101...the most basic of all basics.
>> Frank
>>[/color]
> Agreed. People here post about all the work they do to research and buy
> hardware. The truth is, most people buy what the salespeople sell them. We
> all have opinions on expertise of staff at Circuit City, Best Buy, Fry's,
> etc., and I definitely have an opinion on the objectiveness of sales staff
> during the holiday sales season. Christmas had poor timing in relation to
> Vista's release ;) and the message was: "No need to wait until January! Buy
> now! Upgrade to Vista later!"[/color]

I think there was confusion about what the various labels mean:

[url]http://protectfreedom.tripod.com/vistalabels.html[/url]

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The poster formerly known as 'The Poster Formerly Known as Nina DiBoy'
wrote:
[color=blue]
> PNutts wrote:
>[color=green]
>> "Frank" wrote:
>>[color=darkred]
>>> On the Bridge! wrote:
>>>
>>>> A world is an awful large place frank... and vista is sold world wide,
>>>> what is easier? To be clear right in front about what the vista
>>>> ready really means,
>>>> or train every single computer sales man in the world?
>>>
>>> Well who do you think is supposed to relay to the consumer, exactly
>>> what it is that they are buying? MS provided the necessary training
>>> tools and it is up to the stores to properly train their employees.
>>> Look at cars...they too are world wide and they come in all model
>>> even from the same manufacturer. And it's up to the sales person to
>>> know his product.
>>> So yes, every single computer sales person in the world should be
>>> properly trained about the product they're selling.
>>> Oh, that's marketing 101...the most basic of all basics.
>>> Frank
>>>[/color]
>> Agreed. People here post about all the work they do to research and
>> buy hardware. The truth is, most people buy what the salespeople sell
>> them. We all have opinions on expertise of staff at Circuit City, Best
>> Buy, Fry's, etc., and I definitely have an opinion on the
>> objectiveness of sales staff during the holiday sales season.
>> Christmas had poor timing in relation to Vista's release ;) and the
>> message was: "No need to wait until January! Buy now! Upgrade to Vista
>> later!"[/color]
>
>
> I think there was confusion about what the various labels mean:
>
> [url]http://protectfreedom.tripod.com/vistalabels.html[/url]
>[/color]

For sure there was/is. The MS Vista training videos explicitly explained
the difference. Of course, employee training is difficult at best. But
MS should have seen this one coming and could of avoided many of the
current problems by having just two versions: business and ultimate. But
they failed to consult my marketing company prior to RTM! :-)
Frank

Frank wrote:
[color=blue]
> The poster formerly known as 'The Poster Formerly Known as Nina DiBoy'
> wrote:
>[color=green]
>> PNutts wrote:
>>[color=darkred]
>>> "Frank" wrote:
>>>
>>>> On the Bridge! wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> A world is an awful large place frank... and vista is sold world wide,
>>>>> what is easier? To be clear right in front about what the vista
>>>>> ready really means,
>>>>> or train every single computer sales man in the world?
>>>>
>>>> Well who do you think is supposed to relay to the consumer, exactly
>>>> what it is that they are buying? MS provided the necessary training
>>>> tools and it is up to the stores to properly train their employees.
>>>> Look at cars...they too are world wide and they come in all model
>>>> even from the same manufacturer. And it's up to the sales person to
>>>> know his product.
>>>> So yes, every single computer sales person in the world should be
>>>> properly trained about the product they're selling.
>>>> Oh, that's marketing 101...the most basic of all basics.
>>>> Frank
>>>>
>>> Agreed. People here post about all the work they do to research and
>>> buy hardware. The truth is, most people buy what the salespeople sell
>>> them. We all have opinions on expertise of staff at Circuit City, Best
>>> Buy, Fry's, etc., and I definitely have an opinion on the
>>> objectiveness of sales staff during the holiday sales season.
>>> Christmas had poor timing in relation to Vista's release ;) and the
>>> message was: "No need to wait until January! Buy now! Upgrade to Vista
>>> later!"[/color]
>>
>>
>> I think there was confusion about what the various labels mean:
>>
>> [url]http://protectfreedom.tripod.com/vistalabels.html[/url]
>>[/color]
>
> For sure there was/is. The MS Vista training videos explicitly explained
> the difference. Of course, employee training is difficult at best. But
> MS should have seen this one coming and could of avoided many of the
> current problems by having just two versions: business and ultimate. But
> they failed to consult my marketing company prior to RTM! :-)
> Frank[/color]

Too bad Microsoft didn't consult with you Francis! They could have had a
sticker that said .... "Will that be fries with your order?" Oh well, their
loss.

Cheers.

--
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[url]http://tinyurl.com/2zxhdl[/url]

Proprietary Software: a 20th Century software business model.

AlexB's abacus: [url]http://www.poppystoys.co.uk/shop/baby-toys/caterpillar.jpg[/url]
The closest to "computing" that man should go.

Frank, hard at work on his Vista computer all day:
[url]http://redwing.hutman.net/~mreed/warriorshtm/compost.htm[/url]

"Frank" wrote...[color=blue]
> For sure there was/is. The MS Vista training videos explicitly explained
> the difference. Of course, employee training is difficult at best. But MS
> should have seen this one coming and could of avoided many of the current
> problems by having just two versions: business and ultimate. But they
> failed to consult my marketing company prior to RTM! :-)[/color]



They didn't ask me for my opinion, either. :p

[email]here@home.agai[/email]n wrote:
[color=blue]
> "Frank" wrote...
>[color=green]
>>For sure there was/is. The MS Vista training videos explicitly explained
>>the difference. Of course, employee training is difficult at best. But MS
>>should have seen this one coming and could of avoided many of the current
>>problems by having just two versions: business and ultimate. But they
>>failed to consult my marketing company prior to RTM! :-)[/color]
>
>
>
>
> They didn't ask me for my opinion, either. :p
>
>[/color]
Bummer's huh? :-)
Frank

Frank wrote:
[color=blue]
> [email]here@home.agai[/email]n wrote:
>[color=green]
>> "Frank" wrote...
>>[color=darkred]
>>>For sure there was/is. The MS Vista training videos explicitly explained
>>>the difference. Of course, employee training is difficult at best. But MS
>>>should have seen this one coming and could of avoided many of the current
>>>problems by having just two versions: business and ultimate. But they
>>>failed to consult my marketing company prior to RTM! :-)[/color]
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> They didn't ask me for my opinion, either. :p
>>
>>[/color]
> Bummer's huh? :-)
> Frank[/color]

Francis must be Mexican as his ability to express itself in English sure
does suck.

Cheers and LOL!

--
What does Bill Gates use?
[url]http://tinyurl.com/2zxhdl[/url]

Proprietary Software: a 20th Century software business model.

AlexB's abacus: [url]http://www.poppystoys.co.uk/shop/baby-toys/caterpillar.jpg[/url]
The closest to "computing" that man should go.

Frank, hard at work on his Vista computer all day:
[url]http://redwing.hutman.net/~mreed/warriorshtm/compost.htm[/url]

NoStop wrote:[color=blue]
> Frank wrote:
>
>[color=green]
>>here@home.again wrote:
>>
>>[color=darkred]
>>>"Frank" wrote...
>>>
>>>
>>>>For sure there was/is. The MS Vista training videos explicitly explained
>>>>the difference. Of course, employee training is difficult at best. But MS
>>>>should have seen this one coming and could of avoided many of the current
>>>>problems by having just two versions: business and ultimate. But they
>>>>failed to consult my marketing company prior to RTM! :-)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>They didn't ask me for my opinion, either. :p
>>>
>>>[/color]
>>
>>Bummer's huh? :-)
>>Frank[/color]
>
>
> Francis must be Mexican[/color]

No, I'm not mexican.

as his ability to express itself in English sure[color=blue]
> does suck.[/color]

But you are a mentally sick bigot and the most worthless piece of sh*t
to ever post in any ng.
Frank

Frank wrote:[color=blue]
> The poster formerly known as 'The Poster Formerly Known as Nina DiBoy'
> wrote:
>[color=green]
>> PNutts wrote:
>>[color=darkred]
>>> "Frank" wrote:
>>>
>>>> On the Bridge! wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> A world is an awful large place frank... and vista is sold world wide,
>>>>> what is easier? To be clear right in front about what the vista
>>>>> ready really means,
>>>>> or train every single computer sales man in the world?
>>>>
>>>> Well who do you think is supposed to relay to the consumer, exactly
>>>> what it is that they are buying? MS provided the necessary training
>>>> tools and it is up to the stores to properly train their employees.
>>>> Look at cars...they too are world wide and they come in all model
>>>> even from the same manufacturer. And it's up to the sales person to
>>>> know his product.
>>>> So yes, every single computer sales person in the world should be
>>>> properly trained about the product they're selling.
>>>> Oh, that's marketing 101...the most basic of all basics.
>>>> Frank
>>>>
>>> Agreed. People here post about all the work they do to research and
>>> buy hardware. The truth is, most people buy what the salespeople sell
>>> them. We all have opinions on expertise of staff at Circuit City,
>>> Best Buy, Fry's, etc., and I definitely have an opinion on the
>>> objectiveness of sales staff during the holiday sales season.
>>> Christmas had poor timing in relation to Vista's release ;) and the
>>> message was: "No need to wait until January! Buy now! Upgrade to
>>> Vista later!"[/color]
>>
>>
>> I think there was confusion about what the various labels mean:
>>
>> [url]http://protectfreedom.tripod.com/vistalabels.html[/url]
>>[/color]
>
> For sure there was/is. The MS Vista training videos explicitly explained
> the difference. Of course, employee training is difficult at best. But
> MS should have seen this one coming and could of avoided many of the
> current problems by having just two versions: business and ultimate.[/color]

Agreed, this would definately cut down on confusion!
[color=blue]
> But they failed to consult my marketing company prior to RTM! :-)
> Frank[/color]

LOL!

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free speech rights under the First Amendment and is a cornerstone of the
creativity and innovation that is a hallmark of this country. Consumer
rights in the digital age are not frivolous."
- Maura Corbett

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