It's really great at ending the processes that are running fine, but when one
hangs, oh no, you're doomed. Reboot.

It's not even the TASK MANAGER. VISTA simply does not have the capability
to manage processes. Even 3rd party programs like Process Explorer and
Process KO can't do it.

My suggestion to MS would be, if you're going to mane an OPERATING SYSTEM,
spend less time on the USELESS AERO GLASS SKIN and more time on actual
FUNCTIONALITY.

Your TASK MANAGER should be able to MANAGE TASKS.

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> It's really great at ending the processes that are running fine, but when
> one
> hangs, oh no, you're doomed. Reboot.
>
> It's not even the TASK MANAGER. VISTA simply does not have the capability
> to manage processes. Even 3rd party programs like Process Explorer and
> Process KO can't do it.
>
> My suggestion to MS would be, if you're going to mane an OPERATING SYSTEM,
> spend less time on the USELESS AERO GLASS SKIN and more time on actual
> FUNCTIONALITY.
>
> Your TASK MANAGER should be able to MANAGE TASKS.
>
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Which programs will not close?

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it takes a while, but if you are patient, it does close them. At least I
haven't found one yet that won't. Java vm is the biggest culprit for me -
sometimes printing international mailing labels it either crashes Firefox or
just hangs til I end
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> It's really great at ending the processes that are running fine, but when
> one
> hangs, oh no, you're doomed. Reboot.
>
> It's not even the TASK MANAGER. VISTA simply does not have the capability
> to manage processes. Even 3rd party programs like Process Explorer and
> Process KO can't do it.
>
> My suggestion to MS would be, if you're going to mane an OPERATING SYSTEM,
> spend less time on the USELESS AERO GLASS SKIN and more time on actual
> FUNCTIONALITY.
>
> Your TASK MANAGER should be able to MANAGE TASKS.
>
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> My suggestion to MS would be, if you're going to mane an OPERATING SYSTEM,[color=blue]
> spend less time on the USELESS AERO GLASS SKIN and more time on actual
> FUNCTIONALITY.
>
> Your TASK MANAGER should be able to MANAGE TASKS.[/color]

And the explorer should be able to manage files
and the search tool should be able to find them
and the....

[color=blue][color=green]
>> Your TASK MANAGER should be able to MANAGE TASKS.[/color]
>
> And the explorer should be able to manage files
> and the search tool should be able to find them
> and the....[/color]

Wrong!
The Search tool should "Search" files. It does. It won't find, however. That
would be a "Find" tool. Maybe in Windows 7 :P

Honestly, I have Vista here and after getting acustomned to it, I very much
like it. It has a few quirks, but it'S OK.

My only problem is, that drag-drop of files between elevated and
non-elevated programs does not work.

> Wrong![color=blue]
> The Search tool should "Search" files. It does. It won't find, however. That
> would be a "Find" tool. Maybe in Windows 7 :P[/color]

bwahahaha. I guess so.

Programs like FireFox, HL2.exe (counter-strike source), Winamp, etc when they
hang will not close even if i repeatedly push End Process > OK, End Process >
OK, End Process > OK, End Process > OK

Not ALL hanging processes can't be shut down--Sometimes they WILL shut down.

BUT

Sometimes they will NOT, and I have even pushed SHUT DOWN and turned my
monitor off... in the morning when i check, vista has STILL not been able to
kill the process or shut down... how sad.. The only way is to cold shut down
or cold reboot.

I am not talking about system processes--i know they are not to be closed.
I am talking about 3rd party programs that hang and the operating system has
no control over them to kill them.

It is not an uncommon problem. I don't know why you are asking like you
have never heard of this before??????? Apologies if I am mistaken. Google
"cannot end process" and you will see many results in both XP and Vista. I
had hoped Vista would have an improvement in this regard. it has not.

"Mike Hall - MVP" wrote:[color=blue]
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> Which programs will not close?
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Hey guess what, I know what the problem is. Microsoft had another brilliant
idea (sarcasm--as usual) called "Clean service shutdown" .

Microsoft's SysInternals software engineer Mark Russinovich, describes this
at WinHEC 2007 (link at bottom of my post).

"One of Windows' historical problems concerns its system shutdown procedure.
In XP, once shutdown begins, the system starts a 20-second timer. After that
time is up, it signals the user whether she wants to terminate the
application herself, perhaps prematurely. For Windows Server, that same
20-second timer may be the lifeclock for an application, even one that's busy
spooling ever-larger blocks of data to the disk.

In WS2K8, that 20-second countdown has been replaced with a service that
will keep applications given the signal all the time they need to shut down,
as long as they continually signal back that they're indeed shutting down.
Russinovich said developers were skeptical at first about whether this new
procedure ceded too much power to applications; but in practice, they decided
the cleaner overall shutdowns were worth the trade-offs."

WOW WHAT A GREAT IDEA, LETS ASK PROGRAMS NICELY TO SHUT THEMSELVES DOWN!!!
No wonder the Vista Task Manager is completely useless and can't kill
anything. What a bunch of BONEHEADS. Your OS can't even dump a hanging
process.

LINK:
[url]http://www.betanews.com/article/Top_10_New_Features_in_Windows_Server_2008/1180045346[/url]




"j90qfj90q34fjwefi2" wrote:
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> It's really great at ending the processes that are running fine, but when one
> hangs, oh no, you're doomed. Reboot.
>
> It's not even the TASK MANAGER. VISTA simply does not have the capability
> to manage processes. Even 3rd party programs like Process Explorer and
> Process KO can't do it.
>
> My suggestion to MS would be, if you're going to mane an OPERATING SYSTEM,
> spend less time on the USELESS AERO GLASS SKIN and more time on actual
> FUNCTIONALITY.
>
> Your TASK MANAGER should be able to MANAGE TASKS.
>
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These memory problems can De Ja Vu the windows nightmare experiences all
over, right the way back to 9x.
However, this vista seems only a basic bloated foundation built hastily
on market misconceptions, rather f* annoying adding the given fact that
it now resembles allot like its predecessors from a more noble
heritage.

Anyway, right or wrong, what I am really trying to say has been
unjustifiably shortened in the last sentence.

...as if we don't waste enough time as it is Without worrying about
microsh*ts antics...


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On Tue, 20 May 2008 21:09:46 -0500, daboodah <guest@unknown-email.com>
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>
>Yep. This has always frustrated me. Of course, nobody CAN explain why
>the Task "Manager" is so terribly inadequate. Or...maybe it should just
>be renamed to Process/Status Viewer to eliminate confusion.
>
>In fact, I need to force a shutdown right now due to a 3rd party
>process that has hung and cannot be killed. *Sigh*[/color]

You can kill a process IF it is behaving. If it is acting up then Task
Manager often is sluggish. The trick is "kill" the process once, then
wait. How long depends. In time, usually less than 60 seconds Task
Manager should be able to shut down the offending service or force it
to pop a shut down window of it's own which often will work.

I can not believe this, I can not end my OWN process, it tells me access
is denied. I am administator, I am the creator of that f**n process. How
come something like this vista "thing" can be called an operating system
while it is NOT even capable of control the OPERATIONS ! I hate this, I
really really do, as a programmer, I have to waste my time, money and
LIFE for this kind of BS, becouse it is so called mainstream ! **** !


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On Mon, 12 Jan 2009 05:35:15 +0530, utku wrote:
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> I can not believe this, I can not end my OWN process, it tells me access
> is denied. I am administator, I am the creator of that f**n process. How
> come something like this vista "thing" can be called an operating system
> while it is NOT even capable of control the OPERATIONS ! I hate this, I
> really really do, as a programmer, I have to waste my time, money and
> LIFE for this kind of BS, becouse it is so called mainstream ! **** ![/color]

Lol...
taskkill /f /im <image name>
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> is denied. I am administator, I am the creator of that f**n process. How
> come something like this vista "thing" can be called an operating system
> while it is NOT even capable of control the OPERATIONS ! I hate this, I
> really really do, as a programmer, I have to waste my time, money and
> LIFE for this kind of BS, becouse it is so called mainstream ! **** !
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There are some processes that cannot be killed. They are needed by windows
security. If you want to kill them i think you should try using procexp and
but you will get a BSOD

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> is denied. I am administator, I am the creator of that f**n process. How
> come something like this vista "thing" can be called an operating system
> while it is NOT even capable of control the OPERATIONS ! I hate this, I
> really really do, as a programmer, I have to waste my time, money and
> LIFE for this kind of BS, becouse it is so called mainstream ! **** !
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sadly, I can confirm that this travesty of a problem persists right into
windows 7. If the process hangs, there is often NOTHING you can do to
stop it other than rebooting, and frequently, that means holding down
the power button because it won't initiate the shutdown proceedure with
the hung program. to the absolute moron above (a few posts), to assume
that it is a lack of knowledge that causes this problem... idiot. the
taskkill command "succeeds" and does nothing. the task manager does
nothing. you are stuck with an unresponsive program, and evidently even
logging out and back in doesn't allow you to reload the program in
question. it is no longer an "active" process, but you get an error
when you attempt to reload it.

and the person that started this thread at least is not talking about
system processes. it is 3rd party stuff like firefox (which is
currently hung in my case).


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