I partly agree with both of you... One, you may not know how to use the
OS
or buy or build a good PC to run Vista on..
Yes I have had hangs or hung processes,, but it is a small number of
apps and usually older ones that work fine on XP machines.... but for
some reason hang or function strangly on Vista... Remember moving from
Win95 to 98 Or XP how many head aches did that cause you?
Sounds like you may have some corrupt file issues or compatability
problems to have all browsers hang... I use no less than 4 of them
every day... to test web sites.. Opera, Internet Explorer, Mozilla,
Firefox, and Safari to name a few.. I don't think i have ever had one
of thos hang... but I don't do games on Vista... only my Best XP box for
that...

Go MAC or Linux,
I'm just not geeky enough for that !


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Vista is stupid, i agree that it wont killl task
****,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, xp is much better in this
stuck with it need to restart after every once in a while
and grow up Tyro
its vista not the person who is creating problem duh....


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chsab420;3557567 Wrote:[color=blue]
> Which programs will not close?
>
> it takes a while, but if you are patient, it does close them. At least
> I
> haven't found one yet that won't. Java vm is the biggest culprit for me
> -
> sometimes printing international mailing labels it either crashes
> Firefox or
> just hangs til I end
> process on it.
>
> And the explorer should be able to manage files
> and the search tool should be able to find them
> and the....[/color]

i did not made these comments how come they are in my name ?


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chsab420 <chsab420.3q83fa@DoNotSpam.com> wrote:
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>
>chsab420;3557567 Wrote:[color=green]
>> Which programs will not close?
>>
>> it takes a while, but if you are patient, it does close them. At least
>> I
>> haven't found one yet that won't. Java vm is the biggest culprit for me
>> -
>> sometimes printing international mailing labels it either crashes
>> Firefox or
>> just hangs til I end
>> process on it.
>>
>> And the explorer should be able to manage files
>> and the search tool should be able to find them
>> and the....[/color]
>
>i did not made these comments how come they are in my name ?[/color]

Probably just a glitch in that pitiful Usenet gateway you are using.

chsab420;4344557 Wrote:[color=blue]
> i did not made these comments how come they are in my name ?
>
> Probably just a glitch in that pitiful Usenet gateway you are using.[/color]


fU@k you admin for editing my posts again and again,
and
fu@k this lame forum.


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I agree with most of you. Vista is a shambolic operating system that
cannot manage its own processes. With Unix and Linux there is the kill
-9 command but vista will make you reboot (or more likely make you hold
the power button down). The news that Windows 7 is no better is a blow
as I was going to upgrade later this year. I have been playing with
Ubuntu on an old IBM laptop (T42). It beats the pants of my core 2 duo
with Vista for speed and performance. How can that be right?

I think the writing may well be on the wall for microsoft, if their
operating system is so user hostile they are going to lose ground just
like they did with Firefox. And with Google entering the OS market
things are going to get really interesting.


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robogeek wrote:[color=blue]
> I agree with most of you. Vista is a shambolic operating system that
> cannot manage its own processes. With Unix and Linux there is the kill[/color]

I didn't see the earlier part of this thread, but ... well, Windows - or
at least, Win32 - has no Signals mechanism, so a kill -9 SIGKILL does
not and cannot exist, as such, on Windows. The Windows POSIX subsystem
supports both Signals and kill -9 (although, POSIX/Interix/SFU/SUA has
been shamefully neglected by MSFT; they didn't realise what they had).

However, if you have a Command Prompt open, (and which true geek
doesn't?) then you can kill a Win32 process with extreme prejudice from
the command line, by issuing a "taskkill /PID <nnn> /f /t", as
documented here:

[url]http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/bb491009.aspx[/url]

By running in the Console, this seems to bypass some of the Windows
message loop processing that can gum up other task managers like Process
Explorer or, uh, Task Manager. Mind you that's just my subjective
impression, I haven't stepped through it in the debugger.

Overall, Windows decided to prefer to allow processes to shut down
gracefully, rather than making it easy to kill them outright. Whereas
POSIX systems (Unix, Linux etc) let you easily kill a process, without
much "are you sure" graceful graciousness, aforethought. Is one better
than the other? How many lives have been lost, and how many sysadmins
have turned grey, as a result of one or the other design decision? Hard
to say .. I think there's no clear winner there.

Just my 2 cents :-)

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