i wonder if 64 bit vista is going to be like xp 64 bit and have the same
problems with driver support.. it seems so..i am wondering why i spent
the extra $ on it now after doing the beta test on it and findin that it ran
well in beta with the option to load any driver you wanted than and now
it won't let you do that...I loved xp 64 bit..I wish they would continue with
working on more drivers for it..maybe one day...lmao

Microsoft does not write device drivers, the device manufacturers do. So
you should contact them and complain that they are not supporting their
devices.

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"Ed Wright" <Ed [email]Wright@discussions.microsoft.com[/email]> wrote in message
news:55414D79-ABD2-477A-9C0E-ED7EA852A6DD@microsoft.com...[color=blue]
>i wonder if 64 bit vista is going to be like xp 64 bit and have the same
> problems with driver support.. it seems so..i am wondering why i spent
> the extra $ on it now after doing the beta test on it and findin that it
> ran
> well in beta with the option to load any driver you wanted than and now
> it won't let you do that...I loved xp 64 bit..I wish they would continue
> with
> working on more drivers for it..maybe one day...lmao[/color]

In article <uPCqMrJVIHA.3676@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl>,
Richard G. Harper <rgharper@email.com> wrote:[color=blue]
>Microsoft does not write device drivers,[/color]

Not even the Microsoft-supplied WDM class drivers?

Well, I have to personally say its much better and well improved since XP
Professional x64, but its still not on par with its 32 bit counterpart, and
its relates to both software and hardware. The industry is still not
embracing 64 bit Windows properly. As Richard notes, the device driver
experience is as a result of the manufacturer and its up to them to further
improve it so if you any encounter a stability, reliability or performance
problem, its best you contact the developer.
--
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"Ed Wright" <Ed [email]Wright@discussions.microsoft.com[/email]> wrote in message
news:55414D79-ABD2-477A-9C0E-ED7EA852A6DD@microsoft.com...[color=blue]
>i wonder if 64 bit vista is going to be like xp 64 bit and have the same
> problems with driver support.. it seems so..i am wondering why i spent
> the extra $ on it now after doing the beta test on it and findin that it
> ran
> well in beta with the option to load any driver you wanted than and now
> it won't let you do that...I loved xp 64 bit..I wish they would continue
> with
> working on more drivers for it..maybe one day...lmao[/color]

On Fri, 11 Jan 2008 13:31:01 -0800, Ed Wright <Ed
[email]Wright@discussions.microsoft.com[/email]> wrote:
[color=blue]
> i wonder if 64 bit vista is going to be like xp 64 bit and have the same
> problems with driver support..[/color]


No operating system has problems with driver support. *You* may have a
problem, if the manufacturers of some of your hardware don't provide
the 64-bit drivers you need.

Don't blame Windows, or Microsoft for that. Complain to the hardware
manufacturers.


[color=blue]
> it seems so..i am wondering why i spent
> the extra $ on it[/color]


Good question. Apparently you didn't do your homework to find out
whether what you needed was available.

[color=blue]
> now after doing the beta test on it and findin that it ran
> well in beta with the option to load any driver you wanted than and now
> it won't let you do that...I loved xp 64 bit..I wish they would continue with
> working on more drivers for it..maybe one day...lmao[/color]

--
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Please Reply to the Newsgroup

"the wharf rat" wrote:
[color=blue]
> In article <uPCqMrJVIHA.3676@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl>,
> Richard G. Harper <rgharper@email.com> wrote:[color=green]
> >Microsoft does not write device drivers,[/color]
>
> Not even the Microsoft-supplied WDM class drivers?
>[/color]

some.. but not all and hp support is a joke for any 64 bit apps and not
likely to have
any in the future[color=blue]
>[/color]

"Ken Blake, MVP" wrote:
[color=blue]
> On Fri, 11 Jan 2008 13:31:01 -0800, Ed Wright <Ed
> [email]Wright@discussions.microsoft.com[/email]> wrote:
>[color=green]
> > i wonder if 64 bit vista is going to be like xp 64 bit and have the same
> > problems with driver support..[/color]
>[/color]
ken .. thanks for the comments...but i bought the 23 and 64 bit ultimate and
64 bit runs fine on my test desktop but I wanted to use it on my "vista
ready" hp laptop
and no drivers..as with 64 bit xp..oh well.. i am just venting my
frustrations with the
lack of the support for both 64 bit O/S..[color=blue]
>
> No operating system has problems with driver support. *You* may have a
> problem, if the manufacturers of some of your hardware don't provide
> the 64-bit drivers you need.
>
> Don't blame Windows, or Microsoft for that. Complain to the hardware
> manufacturers.
>
>
>[color=green]
> > it seems so..i am wondering why i spent
> > the extra $ on it[/color]
>
>
> Good question. Apparently you didn't do your homework to find out
> whether what you needed was available.
>
>[color=green]
> > now after doing the beta test on it and findin that it ran
> > well in beta with the option to load any driver you wanted than and now
> > it won't let you do that...I loved xp 64 bit..I wish they would continue with
> > working on more drivers for it..maybe one day...lmao[/color]
>
> --
> Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP Windows - Shell/User
> Please Reply to the Newsgroup
>[/color]

Not exactly fair either. Since there aren't many
64 bit machines around in the mainstream, then
it is easier to write for 32 bit apps. Same
thing would have happened back in the 16 to 32 bit
days, but there were a lot of machines that were 32
bit capable, mostly running servers.

64 bit is still kind of new. It'll catch up in time,
but then, backwards compatibility will be the issue, not
whether or not it'll run on the 64 bit platform.

--
Curt


"Ken Blake, MVP" <kblake@this.is.an.invalid.domain> wrote in message
news:j3sfo3h4umtqg7cgc7nd0bq04be75v1bln@4ax.com...[color=blue]
> On Fri, 11 Jan 2008 13:31:01 -0800, Ed Wright <Ed
> [email]Wright@discussions.microsoft.com[/email]> wrote:
>[color=green]
>> i wonder if 64 bit vista is going to be like xp 64 bit and have the same
>> problems with driver support..[/color]
>
>
> No operating system has problems with driver support. *You* may have a
> problem, if the manufacturers of some of your hardware don't provide
> the 64-bit drivers you need.
>
> Don't blame Windows, or Microsoft for that. Complain to the hardware
> manufacturers.
>
>
>[color=green]
>> it seems so..i am wondering why i spent
>> the extra $ on it[/color]
>
>
> Good question. Apparently you didn't do your homework to find out
> whether what you needed was available.
>
>[color=green]
>> now after doing the beta test on it and findin that it ran
>> well in beta with the option to load any driver you wanted than and now
>> it won't let you do that...I loved xp 64 bit..I wish they would continue
>> with
>> working on more drivers for it..maybe one day...lmao[/color]
>
> --
> Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP Windows - Shell/User
> Please Reply to the Newsgroup[/color]

In article <j3sfo3h4umtqg7cgc7nd0bq04be75v1bln@4ax.com>,
Ken Blake, MVP <kblake@this.is.an.invalid.domain> wrote:[color=blue]
>
>No operating system has problems with driver support[/color]

Oh, horse**** :-) That's what killed Intel Solaris before
Sun got its act together.

Part of productizing an operating system is making sure that
you have adequate 3rd party vendor support or that you provide the
support yourself. Or else you end up like BeOS or...Solaris Intel
version 7 :-)

On Fri, 11 Jan 2008 14:56:01 -0800, Ed Wright
<EdWright@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
[color=blue]
>
>
> "Ken Blake, MVP" wrote:
>[color=green]
> > On Fri, 11 Jan 2008 13:31:01 -0800, Ed Wright <Ed
> > [email]Wright@discussions.microsoft.com[/email]> wrote:
> >[color=darkred]
> > > i wonder if 64 bit vista is going to be like xp 64 bit and have the same
> > > problems with driver support..[/color]
> >[/color]
> ken .. thanks for the comments...but i bought the 23 and 64 bit ultimate and
> 64 bit runs fine on my test desktop but I wanted to use it on my "vista
> ready" hp laptop
> and no drivers..as with 64 bit xp..oh well.. i am just venting my
> frustrations with the
> lack of the support for both 64 bit O/S..[/color]


I certainly understand your frustration. My only point is that you
appeared to be complaining to the wrong place. Again, it's not
Microsoft's fault.



[color=blue][color=green]
> >
> > No operating system has problems with driver support. *You* may have a
> > problem, if the manufacturers of some of your hardware don't provide
> > the 64-bit drivers you need.
> >
> > Don't blame Windows, or Microsoft for that. Complain to the hardware
> > manufacturers.
> >
> >
> >[color=darkred]
> > > it seems so..i am wondering why i spent
> > > the extra $ on it[/color]
> >
> >
> > Good question. Apparently you didn't do your homework to find out
> > whether what you needed was available.
> >
> >[color=darkred]
> > > now after doing the beta test on it and findin that it ran
> > > well in beta with the option to load any driver you wanted than and now
> > > it won't let you do that...I loved xp 64 bit..I wish they would continue with
> > > working on more drivers for it..maybe one day...lmao[/color]
> >
> > --
> > Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP Windows - Shell/User
> > Please Reply to the Newsgroup
> >[/color][/color]

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On Fri, 11 Jan 2008 18:00:50 -0500, "Curt" <cdlevin********.com>
wrote:
[color=blue]
> Not exactly fair either. Since there aren't many
> 64 bit machines around in the mainstream, then
> it is easier to write for 32 bit apps. Same
> thing would have happened back in the 16 to 32 bit
> days, but there were a lot of machines that were 32
> bit capable, mostly running servers.
>
> 64 bit is still kind of new. It'll catch up in time,
> but then, backwards compatibility will be the issue, not
> whether or not it'll run on the 64 bit platform.[/color]


I agree with everything you say. *However*, easier or not, this ball
is in the hardware manufacturer's court, not Microsoft's.



[color=blue]
> "Ken Blake, MVP" <kblake@this.is.an.invalid.domain> wrote in message
> news:j3sfo3h4umtqg7cgc7nd0bq04be75v1bln@4ax.com...[color=green]
> > On Fri, 11 Jan 2008 13:31:01 -0800, Ed Wright <Ed
> > [email]Wright@discussions.microsoft.com[/email]> wrote:
> >[color=darkred]
> >> i wonder if 64 bit vista is going to be like xp 64 bit and have the same
> >> problems with driver support..[/color]
> >
> >
> > No operating system has problems with driver support. *You* may have a
> > problem, if the manufacturers of some of your hardware don't provide
> > the 64-bit drivers you need.
> >
> > Don't blame Windows, or Microsoft for that. Complain to the hardware
> > manufacturers.
> >
> >
> >[color=darkred]
> >> it seems so..i am wondering why i spent
> >> the extra $ on it[/color]
> >
> >
> > Good question. Apparently you didn't do your homework to find out
> > whether what you needed was available.
> >
> >[color=darkred]
> >> now after doing the beta test on it and findin that it ran
> >> well in beta with the option to load any driver you wanted than and now
> >> it won't let you do that...I loved xp 64 bit..I wish they would continue
> >> with
> >> working on more drivers for it..maybe one day...lmao[/color]
> >
> > --
> > Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP Windows - Shell/User
> > Please Reply to the Newsgroup[/color][/color]

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Nope, not even those.

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"the wharf rat" <wrat@panix.com> wrote in message
news:fm8q1h$fet$1@reader2.panix.com...[color=blue]
> In article <uPCqMrJVIHA.3676@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl>,
> Richard G. Harper <rgharper@email.com> wrote:[color=green]
>>Microsoft does not write device drivers,[/color]
>
> Not even the Microsoft-supplied WDM class drivers?
>[/color]