In article <476759e6@newsgate.x-privat.org>, [email]fuv@groufa.com[/email] says...[color=blue]
>
> those updates in linux include all the installed applications you dumbell,
> not only the OS...
>
> when you update XP you are updating ONLY the OS, and not all the
> applications installed[/color]

Wrong, when you do a "Microsoft Update" you are updating all MS apps on
the system, not just the OS - so, MS Office, Visio, servers running on
the platform, etc....

--

Leythos
- Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum.
- Calling an illegal alien an "undocumented worker" is like calling a
drug dealer an "unlicensed pharmacist"
[email]spam999free@rrohio.com[/email] (remove 999 for proper email address)

In article <ubNHLzTQIHA.2396@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl>, thomeduk1
@btopenworld.com says...[color=blue]
>
> "Leythos" <void@nowhere.lan> wrote in message
> news:MPG.21d0e5a6e0b82df198990c@adfree.Usenet.com...[color=green]
> > In article <uDV0Q8QQIHA.5988@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl>, kevpan158
> > @nospam.hotmail.com says...[color=darkred]
> >> For A Mental Retard Like Yourself, Just FYI, You Would Be Perfect For
> >> Ubuntu. Just FYI.[/color]
> >
> > Installed Ubuntu 7.10 on a P3/933, took about 1.5 hours, then there were
> > 143 updates, and that's just to the back installed package, no extra's
> > added to it yet.
> >
> > Seems there are new updates weekly too...
> >
> > Strange, just like Windows XP, but XP supports more hardware.
> >[/color]
> snip
>
> 90 minutes to install Ubuntu 7.10? You must be joking. (or simply lying).
> It took me 10 to 15 minutes tops plus about another 10 minutes for the
> updates to download and install. It was then fully useable including Open
> Office, recognizes my scanner and printer (HP Businessjet) and connected to
> the internet and my home network, all straight out of the box. I have my
> reservations about Ubuntu (LINUX) but in many ways it is light years ahead
> of WINXP.[/color]

No lie, I've done this many times, and the ISO burned to CD, then click
the Install Icon on the desktop, then wait for it to partition the drive
(full drive), then wait for it to install the base apps, then wait for
it to check for updates, then wait forever for it to download the update
packages, then install.....

Don't even start to suggest that it is better with hardware, I searched
BestBuy, Circuit City, and several other sites for a printer that was
listed in the compatible group that was under $150, since none of the
persons Cannon or Lexmark printers was compatible.

As for light years ahead - yea, sure, every time you want to install
something it asks you for your password, the same one you logged into
the PC with, and then it installs it - how is that different than vista
and how is that security? It should be asking you for the root password
so that you can't install anything without it.

--

Leythos
- Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum.
- Calling an illegal alien an "undocumented worker" is like calling a
drug dealer an "unlicensed pharmacist"
[email]spam999free@rrohio.com[/email] (remove 999 for proper email address)

On Tue, 18 Dec 2007 06:48:36 -0500, Leythos wrote:
[color=blue]
> In article <476759e6@newsgate.x-privat.org>, [email]fuv@groufa.com[/email] says...[color=green]
>>
>> those updates in linux include all the installed applications you
>> dumbell, not only the OS...
>>
>> when you update XP you are updating ONLY the OS, and not all the
>> applications installed[/color]
>
> Wrong, when you do a "Microsoft Update" you are updating all MS apps on
> the system, not just the OS - so, MS Office, Visio, servers running on
> the platform, etc....[/color]

Assuming someone is only running Microsoft apps of course which generally
is not the case...as much as MS would probably like that.

--
Stephan
2003 Yamaha R6

君の事思い出す日なんてないのは
君の事忘れたときがないから

On Tue, 18 Dec 2007 09:46:20 +0000, dennis@home wrote:
[color=blue]
> "Edward W. Thompson" <thomeduk1@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
> news:ubNHLzTQIHA.2396@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...[color=green]
>>
>> "Leythos" <void@nowhere.lan> wrote in message
>> news:MPG.21d0e5a6e0b82df198990c@adfree.Usenet.com...[color=darkred]
>>> In article <uDV0Q8QQIHA.5988@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl>, kevpan158
>>> @nospam.hotmail.com says...
>>>> For A Mental Retard Like Yourself, Just FYI, You Would Be Perfect For
>>>> Ubuntu. Just FYI.
>>>
>>> Installed Ubuntu 7.10 on a P3/933, took about 1.5 hours, then there
>>> were 143 updates, and that's just to the back installed package, no
>>> extra's added to it yet.
>>>
>>> Seems there are new updates weekly too...
>>>
>>> Strange, just like Windows XP, but XP supports more hardware.
>>>[/color]
>> snip
>>
>> 90 minutes to install Ubuntu 7.10? You must be joking. (or simply
>> lying). It took me 10 to 15 minutes tops plus about another 10 minutes
>> for the updates to download and install. It was then fully useable
>> including Open Office, recognizes my scanner and printer (HP
>> Businessjet) and connected to the internet and my home network, all
>> straight out of the box. I have my reservations about Ubuntu (LINUX)
>> but in many ways it is light years ahead of WINXP.
>>
>>[/color]
> On what?
> I have never been able to install Ubuntu in less than an hour on any of
> my machines.[/color]

No problem here to do it in less than an hour.

Core 2 Duo 2.4GHz, 4GB 800MHz DDR2 HyperX and all hard drives of course
SATAII.

No problems installing Ubuntu in under an hour, downloading and
installing updates included. 6mbit connection does help....

--
Stephan
2003 Yamaha R6

君の事思い出す日なんてないのは
君の事忘れたときがないから

In article <nb-dnSwcdr4ESPranZ2dnUVZ8u-dnZ2d@giganews.com>,
[email]nospam@spammer.com[/email] says...[color=blue]
> On Tue, 18 Dec 2007 06:48:36 -0500, Leythos wrote:
>[color=green]
> > In article <476759e6@newsgate.x-privat.org>, [email]fuv@groufa.com[/email] says...[color=darkred]
> >>
> >> those updates in linux include all the installed applications you
> >> dumbell, not only the OS...
> >>
> >> when you update XP you are updating ONLY the OS, and not all the
> >> applications installed[/color]
> >
> > Wrong, when you do a "Microsoft Update" you are updating all MS apps on
> > the system, not just the OS - so, MS Office, Visio, servers running on
> > the platform, etc....[/color]
>
> Assuming someone is only running Microsoft apps of course which generally
> is not the case...as much as MS would probably like that.[/color]

But the base install of Ubuntu, with OO, and my base install of XP with
Office, the Ubuntu system will take longer to install and longer to
update than the xp machine, and Xp provides better hardware support not
to mention that most modern games are designed for Windows first, then
Linux.

--

Leythos
- Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum.
- Calling an illegal alien an "undocumented worker" is like calling a
drug dealer an "unlicensed pharmacist"
[email]spam999free@rrohio.com[/email] (remove 999 for proper email address)

vista user 43 wrote:[color=blue]
> WMP 11 is total crap... a usless peice of junk...
>
> if you want something far superior (mostly for video) you should try
> KMPLAYER
>[/color]

Perhaps. But it's not a genuine Microsoft product.

Using it may void your warranty and who wants that?

Leythos wrote:[color=blue]
> In article <uDV0Q8QQIHA.5988@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl>, kevpan158
> @nospam.hotmail.com says...[color=green]
>> For A Mental Retard Like Yourself, Just FYI, You Would Be Perfect For
>> Ubuntu. Just FYI.[/color]
>
> Installed Ubuntu 7.10 on a P3/933, took about 1.5 hours, then there
> were 143 updates, and that's just to the back installed package, no
> extra's added to it yet.
>
> Seems there are new updates weekly too...[/color]

That's just pitiful.

Mr dumbell number 2, the Microsoft update is not on by default, you can
chose to turn it on when you install something like office, since it asks
you,
but you can turn it off too from the microsoft update site, or in vista you
have that option right on the OS

I dont like microsoft update and always turn it off.. I use windows
update...

and even then MS software is like 2% of all the programs I have on my
computer..

MS update doesnt update those, does it?

gesh you vista nerdy boys are thick


"Leythos" <void@nowhere.lan> wrote in message
news:MPG.21d17d9dc76c393b989915@adfree.Usenet.com...[color=blue]
> In article <476759e6@newsgate.x-privat.org>, [email]fuv@groufa.com[/email] says...[color=green]
>>
>> those updates in linux include all the installed applications you
>> dumbell,
>> not only the OS...
>>
>> when you update XP you are updating ONLY the OS, and not all the
>> applications installed[/color]
>
> Wrong, when you do a "Microsoft Update" you are updating all MS apps on
> the system, not just the OS - so, MS Office, Visio, servers running on
> the platform, etc....
>
> --
>
> Leythos
> - Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum.
> - Calling an illegal alien an "undocumented worker" is like calling a
> drug dealer an "unlicensed pharmacist"
> [email]spam999free@rrohio.com[/email] (remove 999 for proper email address)[/color]

vista took that stupid thing (password asking) and made UAC

UAC in your face pops up even more frequently and is extreamly irritating

both are stupid and people hate them




"Leythos" <void@nowhere.lan> wrote in message
news:MPG.21d17eb43f410570989916@adfree.Usenet.com...[color=blue]
> In article <ubNHLzTQIHA.2396@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl>, thomeduk1
> @btopenworld.com says...[color=green]
>>
>> "Leythos" <void@nowhere.lan> wrote in message
>> news:MPG.21d0e5a6e0b82df198990c@adfree.Usenet.com...[color=darkred]
>> > In article <uDV0Q8QQIHA.5988@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl>, kevpan158
>> > @nospam.hotmail.com says...
>> >> For A Mental Retard Like Yourself, Just FYI, You Would Be Perfect For
>> >> Ubuntu. Just FYI.
>> >
>> > Installed Ubuntu 7.10 on a P3/933, took about 1.5 hours, then there
>> > were
>> > 143 updates, and that's just to the back installed package, no extra's
>> > added to it yet.
>> >
>> > Seems there are new updates weekly too...
>> >
>> > Strange, just like Windows XP, but XP supports more hardware.
>> >[/color]
>> snip
>>
>> 90 minutes to install Ubuntu 7.10? You must be joking. (or simply
>> lying).
>> It took me 10 to 15 minutes tops plus about another 10 minutes for the
>> updates to download and install. It was then fully useable including
>> Open
>> Office, recognizes my scanner and printer (HP Businessjet) and connected
>> to
>> the internet and my home network, all straight out of the box. I have
>> my
>> reservations about Ubuntu (LINUX) but in many ways it is light years
>> ahead
>> of WINXP.[/color]
>
> No lie, I've done this many times, and the ISO burned to CD, then click
> the Install Icon on the desktop, then wait for it to partition the drive
> (full drive), then wait for it to install the base apps, then wait for
> it to check for updates, then wait forever for it to download the update
> packages, then install.....
>
> Don't even start to suggest that it is better with hardware, I searched
> BestBuy, Circuit City, and several other sites for a printer that was
> listed in the compatible group that was under $150, since none of the
> persons Cannon or Lexmark printers was compatible.
>
> As for light years ahead - yea, sure, every time you want to install
> something it asks you for your password, the same one you logged into
> the PC with, and then it installs it - how is that different than vista
> and how is that security? It should be asking you for the root password
> so that you can't install anything without it.
>
> --
>
> Leythos
> - Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum.
> - Calling an illegal alien an "undocumented worker" is like calling a
> drug dealer an "unlicensed pharmacist"
> [email]spam999free@rrohio.com[/email] (remove 999 for proper email address)[/color]

On Tue, 18 Dec 2007 10:19:31 -0500, Leythos wrote:
[color=blue]
> In article <nb-dnSwcdr4ESPranZ2dnUVZ8u-dnZ2d@giganews.com>,
> [email]nospam@spammer.com[/email] says...[color=green]
>> On Tue, 18 Dec 2007 06:48:36 -0500, Leythos wrote:
>>[color=darkred]
>> > In article <476759e6@newsgate.x-privat.org>, [email]fuv@groufa.com[/email] says...
>> >>
>> >> those updates in linux include all the installed applications you
>> >> dumbell, not only the OS...
>> >>
>> >> when you update XP you are updating ONLY the OS, and not all the
>> >> applications installed
>> >
>> > Wrong, when you do a "Microsoft Update" you are updating all MS apps
>> > on the system, not just the OS - so, MS Office, Visio, servers
>> > running on the platform, etc....[/color]
>>
>> Assuming someone is only running Microsoft apps of course which
>> generally is not the case...as much as MS would probably like that.[/color]
>
> But the base install of Ubuntu, with OO, and my base install of XP with
> Office, the Ubuntu system will take longer to install and longer to
> update than the xp machine, and Xp provides better hardware support not
> to mention that most modern games are designed for Windows first, then
> Linux.[/color]

Ehh? I'm sorry but earlier this year I did a clean reinstall on this
computer of both windows and Ubuntu when the new version of Ubuntu came
out. Perfect time to do so as Windows needed a cleanup and I prefer to
upgrade Ubuntu (or any OS for that matter) via clean installs rather than
in-place upgrades.

And honestly I have to tell you that it took significantly longer to
install XP and upgrade it to the appropriate service pack level than it
took to setup Ubuntu. Oh and that didn't include Microsoft office as I
had no need to install it.

And as far as the better hardware support goes...XP doesn't recognize
over half my onboard peripherals out of the box while Ubuntu does. I
actually had to use Ubuntu to download ethernet drivers for XP as XP
didn't even recognize my onboard ethernet.

Now don't get me wrong, I'm not going to say that there isn't hardware
that is not supported by linux. There is. Matter of fact, I have a USB
Headset sitting right next to me that has piss-poor linux support. I
don't even bother using it under Linux. It works mostly but the volume
controls for it are buggy for some reason.

Then again, even under windows it requires special drivers from the
manufacturer, which are not 100% stable, to actually work right.
Definitely never buying from that manufacturer again regardless of OS.

But I will say this, when linux *does* support hardware, it generally
supports it instantly and out of the box without any hassle...unlike XP
where I need to track down a whole bunch of drivers first. And when linux
doesn't support hardware then it is generally limited to one particular
manufacturer and there usually are other manufacturers that are supported
with equivalent products. Printers for example, Cannon support is
pathetic so guess what! I just buy HP instead...Cannon's loss, HP's gain.

So really, unless you have something exotic that only one guy makes and
only makes for windows there normally aren't any problems.

I do fully agree with you about games though. That is one thing that
still annoys me, particularly since games are relatively easy to write
cross-platform when compared to GUI heavy applications. That is one area
that I hope will improve with the future, but for now, it is the pretty
much only reason why I dual boot windows at home.

--
Stephan
2003 Yamaha R6

君の事思い出す日なんてないのは
君の事忘れたときがないから

Em Terça, 18 de Dezembro de 2007 18:47, Stephan Rose escreveu:
[color=blue]
> that I hope will improve with the future, but for now, it is the pretty
> much only reason why I dual boot windows at home.
>[/color]
And that is the only reason for lots of people...

"vista user 43" <fuv@groufa.com> wrote in message
news:476759e6@newsgate.x-privat.org...[color=blue]
> those updates in linux include all the installed applications you
> dumbell, not only the OS...
>
> when you update XP you are updating ONLY the OS, and not all the
> applications installed
>
>
>
>
>
>
> "forty-nine" <49@linux.p-u> wrote in message news:fk773a$g9k$1@aioe.org...[color=green]
>> "Leythos" <void@nowhere.lan> wrote in message
>> news:MPG.21d0e5a6e0b82df198990c@adfree.Usenet.com...[color=darkred]
>>> In article <uDV0Q8QQIHA.5988@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl>, kevpan158
>>> @nospam.hotmail.com says...
>>>> For A Mental Retard Like Yourself, Just FYI, You Would Be Perfect For
>>>> Ubuntu. Just FYI.
>>>
>>> Installed Ubuntu 7.10 on a P3/933, took about 1.5 hours, then there were
>>> 143 updates, and that's just to the back installed package, no extra's
>>> added to it yet.
>>>
>>> Seems there are new updates weekly too...
>>>
>>> Strange, just like Windows XP, but XP supports more hardware.
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> Leythos
>>> - Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum.
>>> - Calling an illegal alien an "undocumented worker" is like calling a
>>> drug dealer an "unlicensed pharmacist"
>>> [email]spam999free@rrohio.com[/email] (remove 999 for proper email address)[/color]
>>
>>
>> I know ... 7.04 - 240MB of updates.
>> Takes less to update original XP to SP2[/color]
>
>[/color]


Whatever "comes" on the disk I BOUGHT is part of the OS.
Notice I paid $35 for it with a book.
That puts me in the 7% bracket of linux users that actually part with their
money for software : D
They should mail me an award or certificate or something !

"vista user 43" <fuv@groufa.com> wrote in message
news:476759e6@newsgate.x-privat.org...[color=blue]
> those updates in linux include all the installed applications you
> dumbell, not only the OS...
>
> when you update XP you are updating ONLY the OS, and not all the
> applications installed
>
>[/color]

Dumbbell ?

According to you, I am running the most horrible OS ever made.

I must be a genius !

Until it comes to ubuntu...then dumb again : (

Oh, you misspelled dumbbell

On Tue, 18 Dec 2007 18:18:42 -0500, forty-nine wrote:

[color=blue]
>
> Whatever "comes" on the disk I BOUGHT is part of the OS. Notice I paid
> $35 for it with a book. That puts me in the 7% bracket of linux users
> that actually part with their money for software : D
> They should mail me an award or certificate or something ![/color]

35 bucks? Man you got a long way to catch up to me. =)

That said, on the prior update statement, why is it by the way that
people like you get their panties all tied up into a bunch when an OS
like Ubuntu has updates?

Why the hell would it NOT have updates? It changes over time. It is being
maintained. Things are added / changed....why is this bad thing?

No actual linux user would ever claim that Linux doesn't have updates. So
why is it that windows users expect it not to?

--
Stephan
2003 Yamaha R6

君の事思い出す日なんてないのは
君の事忘れたときがないから

"Stephan Rose" <nospam@spammer.com> wrote in message
news:0J6dndpPi_WY_fXanZ2dnUVZ8qninZ2d@giganews.com...[color=blue]
> On Tue, 18 Dec 2007 18:18:42 -0500, forty-nine wrote:
>
>[color=green]
>>
>> Whatever "comes" on the disk I BOUGHT is part of the OS. Notice I paid
>> $35 for it with a book. That puts me in the 7% bracket of linux users
>> that actually part with their money for software : D
>> They should mail me an award or certificate or something ![/color]
>
> 35 bucks? Man you got a long way to catch up to me. =)
>
> That said, on the prior update statement, why is it by the way that
> people like you get their panties all tied up into a bunch when an OS
> like Ubuntu has updates?
>
> Why the hell would it NOT have updates? It changes over time. It is being
> maintained. Things are added / changed....why is this bad thing?
>
> No actual linux user would ever claim that Linux doesn't have updates. So
> why is it that windows users expect it not to?
>
> --
> Stephan
> 2003 Yamaha R6
>
> 君の事思い出す日なんてないのは
> 君の事忘れたときがないから[/color]


Stop looking at my panties !
And they aren't in a wad...it was simply an observation.
People like me ?
You know me ? A neighbor of mine ?
Stick to yakking about software.
From the "look" of ubuntu...200 + MB of updates seems a bit larger than the
whole OS should be.