Ouch!! That would be my course of action too. To be honest, 3rd party
firewall popups annoy me, but some people don't feel protected without them.

--
Mike Hall - MVP
[url]http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/default.aspx[/url]




"MICHAEL" <u158627_emr2@dslr.net> wrote in message
news:OlLclZVPIHA.3532@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...[color=blue]
>I had two recent Comodo firewall installs do nothing but
> produce blue screens on two different Vista machines.
> I think there may have been a conflict with NOD32.
> NOD32 stayed, the free Comodo went.
>
> I do use and recommend another free product from
> Comodo, BOClean.
> [url]http://www.comodo.com/boclean/boclean.html[/url]
>
>
> -Michael
>
> "Mike Hall - MVP" <mikehall@mvps.com> wrote in message
> news:#rIKvPTPIHA.280@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...[color=green]
>> Peggy
>>
>> If you want to use a 3rd party firewall, try Comodo..
>>
>> [url]http://www.personalfirewall.comodo.com/[/url]
>>
>> --
>> Mike Hall - MVP
>> [url]http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/default.aspx[/url]
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> "Peggy (newbie)" <Peggynewbie@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> news:4BCA78D8-F9D7-4305-B2B9-14CE86FEC06F@microsoft.com...[color=darkred]
>>> We bought this new computer and it came with Windows Vista on it.
>>>
>>> It turns out that Checkpoint does not work with Vista and they want me
>>> to
>>> use XP. Can I have both operating systems? How do I do that? Can you
>>> think
>>> of any other workaround?
>>>
>>> (Sorry, I tried to create a new thread but it wouldn't let me, even
>>> after I
>>> allowed popups. Another problem, I guess!)
>>>
>>> Thank you in advance to anyone who can help!
>>> --
>>> Peggy
>>>
>>>
>>> "Katie Ann" wrote:
>>>
>>>> I'm not really literate on computers, but this is ridiculous. I have
>>>> not
>>>> been able to load one disc on the windows vista. Even if I go to using
>>>> an
>>>> older program I can't figure it out. Help
>>>> --
>>>> katie d[/color]
>>[/color][/color]

Ouch!! That would be my course of action too. To be honest, 3rd party
firewall popups annoy me, but some people don't feel protected without them.

--
Mike Hall - MVP
[url]http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/default.aspx[/url]




"MICHAEL" <u158627_emr2@dslr.net> wrote in message
news:OlLclZVPIHA.3532@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...[color=blue]
>I had two recent Comodo firewall installs do nothing but
> produce blue screens on two different Vista machines.
> I think there may have been a conflict with NOD32.
> NOD32 stayed, the free Comodo went.
>
> I do use and recommend another free product from
> Comodo, BOClean.
> [url]http://www.comodo.com/boclean/boclean.html[/url]
>
>
> -Michael
>
> "Mike Hall - MVP" <mikehall@mvps.com> wrote in message
> news:#rIKvPTPIHA.280@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...[color=green]
>> Peggy
>>
>> If you want to use a 3rd party firewall, try Comodo..
>>
>> [url]http://www.personalfirewall.comodo.com/[/url]
>>
>> --
>> Mike Hall - MVP
>> [url]http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/default.aspx[/url]
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> "Peggy (newbie)" <Peggynewbie@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> news:4BCA78D8-F9D7-4305-B2B9-14CE86FEC06F@microsoft.com...[color=darkred]
>>> We bought this new computer and it came with Windows Vista on it.
>>>
>>> It turns out that Checkpoint does not work with Vista and they want me
>>> to
>>> use XP. Can I have both operating systems? How do I do that? Can you
>>> think
>>> of any other workaround?
>>>
>>> (Sorry, I tried to create a new thread but it wouldn't let me, even
>>> after I
>>> allowed popups. Another problem, I guess!)
>>>
>>> Thank you in advance to anyone who can help!
>>> --
>>> Peggy
>>>
>>>
>>> "Katie Ann" wrote:
>>>
>>>> I'm not really literate on computers, but this is ridiculous. I have
>>>> not
>>>> been able to load one disc on the windows vista. Even if I go to using
>>>> an
>>>> older program I can't figure it out. Help
>>>> --
>>>> katie d[/color]
>>[/color][/color]

I agree. Not since the early days of ZoneAlarm have
I really cared too much about third party firewalls
and their little popups. Now ZoneAlarm is bloated
and messy. I used Sygate for several years until it got
bought up by Symantec and they killed it.

I tried using Vista Firewall Control, but under heavy
traffic it seems to choke a bit. [url]http://www.sphinx-soft.com/Vista/index.html[/url]
It's not a firewall itself, but an add-on to Vista's Firewall that
does application control. But, I've seen some folks much smarter
than me say "outbound control is a myth". I reckon it's good
for marketing, though. Some users really "feel" better/safer about
having it.... which, in the end, may not be such a good thing.

So, I just use Vista's Firewall on my machines and sit behind
a NAT router with SPI.


-Michael

"Mike Hall - MVP" <mikehall@mvps.com> wrote in message
news:#smfdZYPIHA.484@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...[color=blue]
> Ouch!! That would be my course of action too. To be honest, 3rd party firewall popups annoy
> me, but some people don't feel protected without them.
>
> --
> Mike Hall - MVP
> [url]http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/default.aspx[/url]
>
>
>
>
> "MICHAEL" <u158627_emr2@dslr.net> wrote in message
> news:OlLclZVPIHA.3532@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...[color=green]
>>I had two recent Comodo firewall installs do nothing but
>> produce blue screens on two different Vista machines.
>> I think there may have been a conflict with NOD32.
>> NOD32 stayed, the free Comodo went.
>>
>> I do use and recommend another free product from
>> Comodo, BOClean.
>> [url]http://www.comodo.com/boclean/boclean.html[/url]
>>
>>
>> -Michael
>>
>> "Mike Hall - MVP" <mikehall@mvps.com> wrote in message
>> news:#rIKvPTPIHA.280@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...[color=darkred]
>>> Peggy
>>>
>>> If you want to use a 3rd party firewall, try Comodo..
>>>
>>> [url]http://www.personalfirewall.comodo.com/[/url]
>>>
>>> --
>>> Mike Hall - MVP
>>> [url]http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/default.aspx[/url]
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "Peggy (newbie)" <Peggynewbie@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>>> news:4BCA78D8-F9D7-4305-B2B9-14CE86FEC06F@microsoft.com...
>>>> We bought this new computer and it came with Windows Vista on it.
>>>>
>>>> It turns out that Checkpoint does not work with Vista and they want me to
>>>> use XP. Can I have both operating systems? How do I do that? Can you think
>>>> of any other workaround?
>>>>
>>>> (Sorry, I tried to create a new thread but it wouldn't let me, even after I
>>>> allowed popups. Another problem, I guess!)
>>>>
>>>> Thank you in advance to anyone who can help!
>>>> --
>>>> Peggy
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Katie Ann" wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I'm not really literate on computers, but this is ridiculous. I have not
>>>>> been able to load one disc on the windows vista. Even if I go to using an
>>>>> older program I can't figure it out. Help
>>>>> --
>>>>> katie d
>>>[/color][/color]
>[/color]

Peggy (newbie) wrote:[color=blue]
> We bought this new computer and it came with Windows Vista on it.
>
> It turns out that Checkpoint does not work with Vista and they want me to
> use XP. Can I have both operating systems? How do I do that? Can you think
> of any other workaround?
>
> (Sorry, I tried to create a new thread but it wouldn't let me, even after I
> allowed popups. Another problem, I guess!)
>
> Thank you in advance to anyone who can help![/color]

Hi Peggy, what version of Checkpoint are you using right now?


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I found an interesting site from the Comodo site:
[url]http://www.matousec.com/projects/windows-personal-firewall-analysis/leak-tes[/url]
ts-results.php

It listed the Windows firewall as the very worst of
all tested, though I never found any detailed description
of exactly what the test were.

I don't know how thing work through your router, but
for anyone connected directly online, outbound control
is no myth! First, it can warn you of a virus/worm that's
trying to get out. (Virtually all malware is going to try to
go online once it's set up. Second, it can control/identify
spyware when it tries to go out. Third, it can control
the increasingly numerous Microsoft functions that go online
without asking, many of which qualify as spyware in that
they send info. from your machine clandestinely without
asking. Fourth, it provides further protection against
incoming calls. Windows NT systems are high risk in that
the RPC service cannot be shut down and numerous risky
RPC-related services that should rarely be enabled are left
running by default. (DCOM attacks were one of the first
of many unnecessary security problems faced with XP when
it first came out.) Outgoing control can block local software
from responding to an incoming request.

Many people don't care much about privacy and don't
really care if much of their software is calling home. (It is.)
But those people should still at least appreciate an early
warning system for malware "infections".
[color=blue]
> I agree. Not since the early days of ZoneAlarm have
> I really cared too much about third party firewalls
> and their little popups. Now ZoneAlarm is bloated
> and messy. I used Sygate for several years until it got
> bought up by Symantec and they killed it.
>
> I tried using Vista Firewall Control, but under heavy
> traffic it seems to choke a bit.[/color]
[url]http://www.sphinx-soft.com/Vista/index.html[/url][color=blue]
> It's not a firewall itself, but an add-on to Vista's Firewall that
> does application control. But, I've seen some folks much smarter
> than me say "outbound control is a myth". I reckon it's good
> for marketing, though. Some users really "feel" better/safer about
> having it.... which, in the end, may not be such a good thing.
>
> So, I just use Vista's Firewall on my machines and sit behind
> a NAT router with SPI.
>[/color]

"mayayana" <mayaXXyana1a@mindXXspring.com> wrote in message
news:#SUmlpaPIHA.2376@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...[color=blue]
> I found an interesting site from the Comodo site:
> [url]http://www.matousec.com/projects/windows-personal-firewall-analysis/leak-tes[/url]
> ts-results.php
>
> It listed the Windows firewall as the very worst of
> all tested, though I never found any detailed description
> of exactly what the test were.[/color]

Shame they didn't test vista.
it has outgoing control if you enable it.
It should score 100% if its set to block outgoing.

dennis@home wrote:[color=blue]
>
>
> "mayayana" <mayaXXyana1a@mindXXspring.com> wrote in message
> news:#SUmlpaPIHA.2376@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...[color=green]
>> I found an interesting site from the Comodo site:
>> [url]http://www.matousec.com/projects/windows-personal-firewall-analysis/leak-tes[/url]
>>
>> ts-results.php
>>
>> It listed the Windows firewall as the very worst of
>> all tested, though I never found any detailed description
>> of exactly what the test were.[/color]
>
> Shame they didn't test vista.
> it has outgoing control if you enable it.
> It should score 100% if its set to block outgoing.
>
>
>[/color]

Windows "Firewall": fox guarding chicken coop.

Alias

The outbound application control that many software
firewalls have may be useful. However, it really is rather
trivial for some of the better critters to fool/disable this
sort of protection, and one could easily argue that if your
firewall alerts you to suspicious outbound traffic, you're already
owned. Of course, that might enable you to limit/stop the damage.
A better solution might be a real HIPS program. But, if you have
UAC turned on, an AV that does Heuristics/Advanced Heuristics
(like NOD32) then it's really about the same thing. NOD32
does monitor internet/network traffic, by the way, and the newly
released Smart Security Suite from Eset also includes a firewall.

Comodo Firewall 3.0 has HIPS, as does their anti-virus. Their AV
is not Vista ready, however. SSM Free is very popular, I think it
works with Vista... I've not tried it.

Securing your computer should always be taken seriously.
However, I do believe that many of the same folks that sell
security products are also the ones trying to scare everyone
to death. Some users end up with multiple products on
their computers that only lead to other problems.

I've not been infected on any of my machines in years.
Not counting self-inflicted infections while testing.


-Michael

"mayayana" <mayaXXyana1a@mindXXspring.com> wrote in message
news:#SUmlpaPIHA.2376@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...[color=blue]
> I found an interesting site from the Comodo site:
> [url]http://www.matousec.com/projects/windows-personal-firewall-analysis/leak-tes[/url]
> ts-results.php
>
> It listed the Windows firewall as the very worst of
> all tested, though I never found any detailed description
> of exactly what the test were.
>
> I don't know how thing work through your router, but
> for anyone connected directly online, outbound control
> is no myth! First, it can warn you of a virus/worm that's
> trying to get out. (Virtually all malware is going to try to
> go online once it's set up. Second, it can control/identify
> spyware when it tries to go out. Third, it can control
> the increasingly numerous Microsoft functions that go online
> without asking, many of which qualify as spyware in that
> they send info. from your machine clandestinely without
> asking. Fourth, it provides further protection against
> incoming calls. Windows NT systems are high risk in that
> the RPC service cannot be shut down and numerous risky
> RPC-related services that should rarely be enabled are left
> running by default. (DCOM attacks were one of the first
> of many unnecessary security problems faced with XP when
> it first came out.) Outgoing control can block local software
> from responding to an incoming request.
>
> Many people don't care much about privacy and don't
> really care if much of their software is calling home. (It is.)
> But those people should still at least appreciate an early
> warning system for malware "infections".
>[color=green]
>> I agree. Not since the early days of ZoneAlarm have
>> I really cared too much about third party firewalls
>> and their little popups. Now ZoneAlarm is bloated
>> and messy. I used Sygate for several years until it got
>> bought up by Symantec and they killed it.
>>
>> I tried using Vista Firewall Control, but under heavy
>> traffic it seems to choke a bit.[/color]
> [url]http://www.sphinx-soft.com/Vista/index.html[/url][color=green]
>> It's not a firewall itself, but an add-on to Vista's Firewall that
>> does application control. But, I've seen some folks much smarter
>> than me say "outbound control is a myth". I reckon it's good
>> for marketing, though. Some users really "feel" better/safer about
>> having it.... which, in the end, may not be such a good thing.
>>
>> So, I just use Vista's Firewall on my machines and sit behind
>> a NAT router with SPI.
>>[/color]
>
>
>[/color]

MICHAEL wrote:[color=blue]
> The outbound application control that many software
> firewalls have may be useful. However, it really is rather
> trivial for some of the better critters to fool/disable this
> sort of protection, and one could easily argue that if your
> firewall alerts you to suspicious outbound traffic, you're already
> owned. Of course, that might enable you to limit/stop the damage.
> A better solution might be a real HIPS program. But, if you have
> UAC turned on, an AV that does Heuristics/Advanced Heuristics
> (like NOD32) then it's really about the same thing. NOD32
> does monitor internet/network traffic, by the way, and the newly
> released Smart Security Suite from Eset also includes a firewall.
>
> Comodo Firewall 3.0 has HIPS, as does their anti-virus. Their AV
> is not Vista ready, however. SSM Free is very popular, I think it
> works with Vista... I've not tried it.
>
> Securing your computer should always be taken seriously.
> However, I do believe that many of the same folks that sell
> security products are also the ones trying to scare everyone
> to death. Some users end up with multiple products on
> their computers that only lead to other problems.
>
> I've not been infected on any of my machines in years.
> Not counting self-inflicted infections while testing.
>[/color]

Have to say you got that exactly right, 100%.

Hey, I just moved house again, 3 times in the last year and 9 times
since 2000 when I first got to the USA :) I asked for a 10 years lease
(Didn't get it of course) and said the next time they move me out it
will be in a wooden box :) In all that time I have never had any kind of
infection that I didn't intend (Same as you I guess) but have removed
probably thousands from other machines.

"Charlie Tame" <charlie@tames.net> wrote in message
news:uGPJGsyPIHA.5400@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...[color=blue]
> MICHAEL wrote:[color=green]
>> The outbound application control that many software
>> firewalls have may be useful. However, it really is rather
>> trivial for some of the better critters to fool/disable this
>> sort of protection, and one could easily argue that if your
>> firewall alerts you to suspicious outbound traffic, you're already
>> owned. Of course, that might enable you to limit/stop the damage.
>> A better solution might be a real HIPS program. But, if you have
>> UAC turned on, an AV that does Heuristics/Advanced Heuristics
>> (like NOD32) then it's really about the same thing. NOD32
>> does monitor internet/network traffic, by the way, and the newly
>> released Smart Security Suite from Eset also includes a firewall.
>>
>> Comodo Firewall 3.0 has HIPS, as does their anti-virus. Their AV
>> is not Vista ready, however. SSM Free is very popular, I think it
>> works with Vista... I've not tried it.
>>
>> Securing your computer should always be taken seriously.
>> However, I do believe that many of the same folks that sell
>> security products are also the ones trying to scare everyone
>> to death. Some users end up with multiple products on
>> their computers that only lead to other problems.
>>
>> I've not been infected on any of my machines in years.
>> Not counting self-inflicted infections while testing.
>>[/color]
>
> Have to say you got that exactly right, 100%.
>
> Hey, I just moved house again, 3 times in the last year and 9 times since 2000 when I first
> got to the USA :) I asked for a 10 years lease (Didn't get it of course) and said the next
> time they move me out it will be in a wooden box :)[/color]

Moving is such an aggravating, discombobulating and stressful
time. Fortunately, I haven't pulled up roots since 2000. But, there
was a time in the 90s that I may have come close to what you
have had to deal with.... I'm not moving again unless I can ever afford
to buy me a little something in Folly Beach, SC or some place
at the Outer Banks of NC around Manteo or Wanchese. Of course,
I'll be old and gray by then and may decide I don't want to put
up with either NC's or SC's hurricane dance. Although, being far
inland didn't matter much to Charlotte in 1989 when Hurricane Hugo
knocked the he!! out of this city. Never thought I'd see devastation
like that again..... and then, the ice storm of 2002 did to Charlotte and
NC what the one out in Oklahoma just did. I feel for those folks.
Maybe, the coast isn't so bad. :-)

I hope you have tried to take it easy during this move....
after what you've been through recently. If you lived
close to me, I'd make y'all some dinner and we would
have a few drinks to "unwind" the stress. ;-)

Just be sure to take it easy, Charlie.
[color=blue]
> In all that time I have never had any kind of infection that I didn't intend (Same as you I
> guess) but have removed probably thousands from other machines.[/color]

Yes, I like to play critters. "Studying" their behavior in virtual machines
makes it a lot easier, too. Oh, and after using VPC and VMWare
for awhile now, I'm glad you also recommended VirtualBox.
Love it.... it just works.

I've been "volunteered" to clean quite a few machines over the
years. There have been times when I wondered if I ever got
into the wrong career. I've never asked for a dime from friends,
family or neighbors when I've helped them. Might have kept
a dollar or two from going to some tech guy, but I'm sure since
Vista has been out, they have more than they can handle. ;-)
Anyway, computers and technology are hobbies I really enjoy,
don't want mess up with money.

Get some rest, Charlie.


Take care,

Michael

MICHAEL wrote:[color=blue]
> "Charlie Tame" <charlie@tames.net> wrote in message
> news:uGPJGsyPIHA.5400@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...[color=green]
>> MICHAEL wrote:[color=darkred]
>>> The outbound application control that many software
>>> firewalls have may be useful. However, it really is rather
>>> trivial for some of the better critters to fool/disable this
>>> sort of protection, and one could easily argue that if your
>>> firewall alerts you to suspicious outbound traffic, you're already
>>> owned. Of course, that might enable you to limit/stop the damage.
>>> A better solution might be a real HIPS program. But, if you have
>>> UAC turned on, an AV that does Heuristics/Advanced Heuristics
>>> (like NOD32) then it's really about the same thing. NOD32
>>> does monitor internet/network traffic, by the way, and the newly
>>> released Smart Security Suite from Eset also includes a firewall.
>>>
>>> Comodo Firewall 3.0 has HIPS, as does their anti-virus. Their AV
>>> is not Vista ready, however. SSM Free is very popular, I think it
>>> works with Vista... I've not tried it.
>>>
>>> Securing your computer should always be taken seriously.
>>> However, I do believe that many of the same folks that sell
>>> security products are also the ones trying to scare everyone
>>> to death. Some users end up with multiple products on
>>> their computers that only lead to other problems.
>>>
>>> I've not been infected on any of my machines in years.
>>> Not counting self-inflicted infections while testing.
>>>[/color]
>>
>> Have to say you got that exactly right, 100%.
>>
>> Hey, I just moved house again, 3 times in the last year and 9 times
>> since 2000 when I first got to the USA :) I asked for a 10 years lease
>> (Didn't get it of course) and said the next time they move me out it
>> will be in a wooden box :)[/color]
>
> Moving is such an aggravating, discombobulating and stressful
> time. Fortunately, I haven't pulled up roots since 2000. But, there
> was a time in the 90s that I may have come close to what you
> have had to deal with.... I'm not moving again unless I can ever afford
> to buy me a little something in Folly Beach, SC or some place
> at the Outer Banks of NC around Manteo or Wanchese. Of course,
> I'll be old and gray by then and may decide I don't want to put
> up with either NC's or SC's hurricane dance. Although, being far
> inland didn't matter much to Charlotte in 1989 when Hurricane Hugo
> knocked the he!! out of this city. Never thought I'd see devastation
> like that again..... and then, the ice storm of 2002 did to Charlotte and
> NC what the one out in Oklahoma just did. I feel for those folks.
> Maybe, the coast isn't so bad. :-)
>
> I hope you have tried to take it easy during this move....
> after what you've been through recently. If you lived
> close to me, I'd make y'all some dinner and we would
> have a few drinks to "unwind" the stress. ;-)
>
> Just be sure to take it easy, Charlie.
>[color=green]
>> In all that time I have never had any kind of infection that I didn't
>> intend (Same as you I guess) but have removed probably thousands from
>> other machines.[/color]
>
> Yes, I like to play critters. "Studying" their behavior in virtual
> machines
> makes it a lot easier, too. Oh, and after using VPC and VMWare
> for awhile now, I'm glad you also recommended VirtualBox.
> Love it.... it just works.
>
> I've been "volunteered" to clean quite a few machines over the
> years. There have been times when I wondered if I ever got
> into the wrong career. I've never asked for a dime from friends,
> family or neighbors when I've helped them. Might have kept
> a dollar or two from going to some tech guy, but I'm sure since
> Vista has been out, they have more than they can handle. ;-)
> Anyway, computers and technology are hobbies I really enjoy,
> don't want mess up with money.
>
> Get some rest, Charlie.
>
>
> Take care,
>
> Michael
>
>[/color]


Well it's a long story as to why I've moved but they say it's an ill
wind that blows nobody any good and maybe there is something to that. On
Tuesday they said there'd be an ice storm again around oh, I think 10
pm, so went back to get some food and a nap only to discover the ex-wife
having problems with her car so I got neither food nor rest :) On the
way back to work - I wanted to camp out here the night instead of having
to drive 35 miles on a sheet of ice - I got a call from one gal that
used to work here and she said to hell with sleeping in the workshop,
you just come around here for tonight, I wanted to see you anyway. Well,
one thing kinda led to another and so here am I with this absolutely
gorgeous 30 year old (And I mean absolutely gorgeous) completely stunned
(I had no idea she even liked me) and if it lasts a week or the rest of
my life it will all be good.

So thanks for the suggestion, but this is much better than rest and if
it kills me they will have real trouble getting the grin off my face.
Just don't tell the ex, she will swear I planned all this, but honest,
it was all a huge surprise and I'm still expecting to wake up :) Unlike
the ex she actually loves discussing politics, is getting interested in
computers and so I can only hope it lasts.

And sure, we will visit some time when finances permit, I like NC and a
vacation would do no harm.

"MICHAEL" <u158627_emr2@dslr.net> wrote in message
news:OjwJlSzPIHA.4440@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...[color=blue]
> "Charlie Tame" <charlie@tames.net> wrote in message
> news:uGPJGsyPIHA.5400@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...[color=green]
>> MICHAEL wrote:[color=darkred]
>>> The outbound application control that many software
>>> firewalls have may be useful. However, it really is rather
>>> trivial for some of the better critters to fool/disable this
>>> sort of protection, and one could easily argue that if your
>>> firewall alerts you to suspicious outbound traffic, you're already
>>> owned. Of course, that might enable you to limit/stop the damage.
>>> A better solution might be a real HIPS program. But, if you have
>>> UAC turned on, an AV that does Heuristics/Advanced Heuristics
>>> (like NOD32) then it's really about the same thing. NOD32
>>> does monitor internet/network traffic, by the way, and the newly
>>> released Smart Security Suite from Eset also includes a firewall.
>>>
>>> Comodo Firewall 3.0 has HIPS, as does their anti-virus. Their AV
>>> is not Vista ready, however. SSM Free is very popular, I think it
>>> works with Vista... I've not tried it.
>>>
>>> Securing your computer should always be taken seriously.
>>> However, I do believe that many of the same folks that sell
>>> security products are also the ones trying to scare everyone
>>> to death. Some users end up with multiple products on
>>> their computers that only lead to other problems.
>>>
>>> I've not been infected on any of my machines in years.
>>> Not counting self-inflicted infections while testing.
>>>[/color]
>>
>> Have to say you got that exactly right, 100%.
>>
>> Hey, I just moved house again, 3 times in the last year and 9 times since
>> 2000 when I first got to the USA :) I asked for a 10 years lease (Didn't
>> get it of course) and said the next time they move me out it will be in a
>> wooden box :)[/color]
>
> Moving is such an aggravating, discombobulating and stressful
> time. Fortunately, I haven't pulled up roots since 2000. But, there
> was a time in the 90s that I may have come close to what you
> have had to deal with.... I'm not moving again unless I can ever afford
> to buy me a little something in Folly Beach, SC or some place
> at the Outer Banks of NC around Manteo or Wanchese. Of course,
> I'll be old and gray by then and may decide I don't want to put
> up with either NC's or SC's hurricane dance. Although, being far
> inland didn't matter much to Charlotte in 1989 when Hurricane Hugo
> knocked the he!! out of this city. Never thought I'd see devastation
> like that again..... and then, the ice storm of 2002 did to Charlotte and
> NC what the one out in Oklahoma just did. I feel for those folks.
> Maybe, the coast isn't so bad. :-)
>
> I hope you have tried to take it easy during this move....
> after what you've been through recently. If you lived
> close to me, I'd make y'all some dinner and we would
> have a few drinks to "unwind" the stress. ;-)
>
> Just be sure to take it easy, Charlie.
>[color=green]
>> In all that time I have never had any kind of infection that I didn't
>> intend (Same as you I guess) but have removed probably thousands from
>> other machines.[/color]
>
> Yes, I like to play critters. "Studying" their behavior in virtual
> machines
> makes it a lot easier, too. Oh, and after using VPC and VMWare
> for awhile now, I'm glad you also recommended VirtualBox.
> Love it.... it just works.
>
> I've been "volunteered" to clean quite a few machines over the
> years. There have been times when I wondered if I ever got
> into the wrong career. I've never asked for a dime from friends,
> family or neighbors when I've helped them. Might have kept
> a dollar or two from going to some tech guy, but I'm sure since
> Vista has been out, they have more than they can handle. ;-)
> Anyway, computers and technology are hobbies I really enjoy,
> don't want mess up with money.
>
> Get some rest, Charlie.
>
>
> Take care,
>
> Michael
>
>[/color]


If you move to Folly Beach...Folly Rd is a mess...and stay away from
downtown Charleston...and I-26...and I-526.
Oh hell, just walk here ! : )

"Charlie Tame" <charlie@tames.net> wrote in message
news:#lLLZS4PIHA.4712@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...[color=blue]
> MICHAEL wrote:[color=green]
>> "Charlie Tame" <charlie@tames.net> wrote in message
>> news:uGPJGsyPIHA.5400@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...[color=darkred]
>>> MICHAEL wrote:
>>>> The outbound application control that many software
>>>> firewalls have may be useful. However, it really is rather
>>>> trivial for some of the better critters to fool/disable this
>>>> sort of protection, and one could easily argue that if your
>>>> firewall alerts you to suspicious outbound traffic, you're already
>>>> owned. Of course, that might enable you to limit/stop the damage.
>>>> A better solution might be a real HIPS program. But, if you have
>>>> UAC turned on, an AV that does Heuristics/Advanced Heuristics
>>>> (like NOD32) then it's really about the same thing. NOD32
>>>> does monitor internet/network traffic, by the way, and the newly
>>>> released Smart Security Suite from Eset also includes a firewall.
>>>>
>>>> Comodo Firewall 3.0 has HIPS, as does their anti-virus. Their AV
>>>> is not Vista ready, however. SSM Free is very popular, I think it
>>>> works with Vista... I've not tried it.
>>>>
>>>> Securing your computer should always be taken seriously.
>>>> However, I do believe that many of the same folks that sell
>>>> security products are also the ones trying to scare everyone
>>>> to death. Some users end up with multiple products on
>>>> their computers that only lead to other problems.
>>>>
>>>> I've not been infected on any of my machines in years.
>>>> Not counting self-inflicted infections while testing.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Have to say you got that exactly right, 100%.
>>>
>>> Hey, I just moved house again, 3 times in the last year and 9 times since 2000 when I first
>>> got to the USA :) I asked for a 10 years lease (Didn't get it of course) and said the next
>>> time they move me out it will be in a wooden box :)[/color]
>>
>> Moving is such an aggravating, discombobulating and stressful
>> time. Fortunately, I haven't pulled up roots since 2000. But, there
>> was a time in the 90s that I may have come close to what you
>> have had to deal with.... I'm not moving again unless I can ever afford
>> to buy me a little something in Folly Beach, SC or some place
>> at the Outer Banks of NC around Manteo or Wanchese. Of course,
>> I'll be old and gray by then and may decide I don't want to put
>> up with either NC's or SC's hurricane dance. Although, being far
>> inland didn't matter much to Charlotte in 1989 when Hurricane Hugo
>> knocked the he!! out of this city. Never thought I'd see devastation
>> like that again..... and then, the ice storm of 2002 did to Charlotte and
>> NC what the one out in Oklahoma just did. I feel for those folks.
>> Maybe, the coast isn't so bad. :-)
>>
>> I hope you have tried to take it easy during this move....
>> after what you've been through recently. If you lived
>> close to me, I'd make y'all some dinner and we would
>> have a few drinks to "unwind" the stress. ;-)
>>
>> Just be sure to take it easy, Charlie.
>>[color=darkred]
>>> In all that time I have never had any kind of infection that I didn't intend (Same as you I
>>> guess) but have removed probably thousands from other machines.[/color]
>>
>> Yes, I like to play critters. "Studying" their behavior in virtual machines
>> makes it a lot easier, too. Oh, and after using VPC and VMWare
>> for awhile now, I'm glad you also recommended VirtualBox.
>> Love it.... it just works.
>>
>> I've been "volunteered" to clean quite a few machines over the
>> years. There have been times when I wondered if I ever got
>> into the wrong career. I've never asked for a dime from friends,
>> family or neighbors when I've helped them. Might have kept
>> a dollar or two from going to some tech guy, but I'm sure since
>> Vista has been out, they have more than they can handle. ;-)
>> Anyway, computers and technology are hobbies I really enjoy,
>> don't want mess up with money.
>>
>> Get some rest, Charlie.[/color][/color]
[color=blue]
> Well it's a long story as to why I've moved but they say it's an ill wind that blows nobody
> any good and maybe there is something to that. On Tuesday they said there'd be an ice storm
> again around oh, I think 10 pm, so went back to get some food and a nap only to discover the
> ex-wife having problems with her car so I got neither food nor rest :) On the way back to
> work - I wanted to camp out here the night instead of having to drive 35 miles on a sheet of
> ice - I got a call from one gal that used to work here and she said to hell with sleeping in
> the workshop, you just come around here for tonight, I wanted to see you anyway. Well, one
> thing kinda led to another and so here am I with this absolutely gorgeous 30 year old (And I
> mean absolutely gorgeous) completely stunned (I had no idea she even liked me) and if it
> lasts a week or the rest of my life it will all be good.
> So thanks for the suggestion, but this is much better than rest and if it kills me they will
> have real trouble getting the grin off my face. Just don't tell the ex, she will swear I
> planned all this, but honest, it was all a huge surprise and I'm still expecting to wake up
> :) Unlike the ex she actually loves discussing politics, is getting interested in computers
> and so I can only hope it lasts.
>
> And sure, we will visit some time when finances permit, I like NC and a vacation would do no
> harm.[/color]

Great story, Charlie.... thanks for sharing.

I certainly wish the best for you.

The invitation stands and is sincere.


Take care,

Michael

"forty-nine" <49@linux.p-u> wrote in message news:fk201p$t50$1@aioe.org...[color=blue]
> "MICHAEL" <u158627_emr2@dslr.net> wrote in message
> news:OjwJlSzPIHA.4440@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...[color=green]
>> "Charlie Tame" <charlie@tames.net> wrote in message
>> news:uGPJGsyPIHA.5400@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...[color=darkred]
>>> MICHAEL wrote:
>>>> The outbound application control that many software
>>>> firewalls have may be useful. However, it really is rather
>>>> trivial for some of the better critters to fool/disable this
>>>> sort of protection, and one could easily argue that if your
>>>> firewall alerts you to suspicious outbound traffic, you're already
>>>> owned. Of course, that might enable you to limit/stop the damage.
>>>> A better solution might be a real HIPS program. But, if you have
>>>> UAC turned on, an AV that does Heuristics/Advanced Heuristics
>>>> (like NOD32) then it's really about the same thing. NOD32
>>>> does monitor internet/network traffic, by the way, and the newly
>>>> released Smart Security Suite from Eset also includes a firewall.
>>>>
>>>> Comodo Firewall 3.0 has HIPS, as does their anti-virus. Their AV
>>>> is not Vista ready, however. SSM Free is very popular, I think it
>>>> works with Vista... I've not tried it.
>>>>
>>>> Securing your computer should always be taken seriously.
>>>> However, I do believe that many of the same folks that sell
>>>> security products are also the ones trying to scare everyone
>>>> to death. Some users end up with multiple products on
>>>> their computers that only lead to other problems.
>>>>
>>>> I've not been infected on any of my machines in years.
>>>> Not counting self-inflicted infections while testing.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Have to say you got that exactly right, 100%.
>>>
>>> Hey, I just moved house again, 3 times in the last year and 9 times since
>>> 2000 when I first got to the USA :) I asked for a 10 years lease (Didn't
>>> get it of course) and said the next time they move me out it will be in a
>>> wooden box :)[/color]
>>
>> Moving is such an aggravating, discombobulating and stressful
>> time. Fortunately, I haven't pulled up roots since 2000. But, there
>> was a time in the 90s that I may have come close to what you
>> have had to deal with.... I'm not moving again unless I can ever afford
>> to buy me a little something in Folly Beach, SC or some place
>> at the Outer Banks of NC around Manteo or Wanchese. Of course,
>> I'll be old and gray by then and may decide I don't want to put
>> up with either NC's or SC's hurricane dance. Although, being far
>> inland didn't matter much to Charlotte in 1989 when Hurricane Hugo
>> knocked the he!! out of this city. Never thought I'd see devastation
>> like that again..... and then, the ice storm of 2002 did to Charlotte and
>> NC what the one out in Oklahoma just did. I feel for those folks.
>> Maybe, the coast isn't so bad. :-)
>>
>> I hope you have tried to take it easy during this move....
>> after what you've been through recently. If you lived
>> close to me, I'd make y'all some dinner and we would
>> have a few drinks to "unwind" the stress. ;-)
>>
>> Just be sure to take it easy, Charlie.
>>[color=darkred]
>>> In all that time I have never had any kind of infection that I didn't
>>> intend (Same as you I guess) but have removed probably thousands from
>>> other machines.[/color]
>>
>> Yes, I like to play critters. "Studying" their behavior in virtual
>> machines
>> makes it a lot easier, too. Oh, and after using VPC and VMWare
>> for awhile now, I'm glad you also recommended VirtualBox.
>> Love it.... it just works.
>>
>> I've been "volunteered" to clean quite a few machines over the
>> years. There have been times when I wondered if I ever got
>> into the wrong career. I've never asked for a dime from friends,
>> family or neighbors when I've helped them. Might have kept
>> a dollar or two from going to some tech guy, but I'm sure since
>> Vista has been out, they have more than they can handle. ;-)
>> Anyway, computers and technology are hobbies I really enjoy,
>> don't want mess up with money.
>>
>> Get some rest, Charlie.[/color][/color]
[color=blue]
> If you move to Folly Beach...Folly Rd is a mess...and stay away from
> downtown Charleston...and I-26...and I-526.
> Oh hell, just walk here ! : )[/color]

I'm very fond of Charleston, my aunt lives there and my grandparents
lived there most of their lives. But, I would never (couldn't afford it) live
in Charleston proper. I keep up with the goings on in the area.
Folly Beach is a special place to me, and even with the changes
happening there, I still love it. I hope it doesn't turn into another
Isle of Palms.... a beautiful place with lots of money and very expensive
properties.


-Michael


-Michael

MICHAEL wrote:[color=blue]
> "Charlie Tame" <charlie@tames.net> wrote in message[/color]

[color=blue][color=green]
>> And sure, we will visit some time when finances permit, I like NC and
>> a vacation would do no harm.[/color]
>
> Great story, Charlie.... thanks for sharing.
>
> I certainly wish the best for you.
>
> The invitation stands and is sincere.
>
>
> Take care,
>
> Michael[/color]

Well, thanks again for the invitation and I think she is a bit sick of
Iowa's weather, she originally is from Virginia I think.

At this time I have no computers set up at home and no internet, that is
supposed to be installed tomorrow but I may have to cancel as we
currently have DIA survey in progress and while they are in the building
I cannot leave, but I will probably ask and they may be okay with it.