"When Vista was released the chorus of complaints and criticisms quickly
grew from a low hum to a near deafening roar."

[url]http://blogs.zdnet.com/hardware/?p=907[/url]

So is he saying leopard and vista are both crap?

So is he saying vista is also crap like leopard?

So is he saying that vista is crap?

Within weeks of Microsoft unleashing Vista on the buying public the issues
facing those making the switch from XP to Vista were clear and you could sum
them up in a few bullet points:
a.. UAC too intrusive
b.. Too many bugs
c.. System slow-downs
d.. Too many compatibility casualties
e.. Glitchy interface
f.. Baked-in vulnerabilities
g.. Install buggy and prone to crashing
h.. Systems that were rock-solid under the XP now falling over regularly


Hmmmmm SO TRUE.. however that list is too short.. you would really need a
list that has the length of all the pages of encyclopedia Britannica in
order to list all the vista bugs..

See the whole post here

[url]http://blogs.zdnet.com/hardware/?p=907[/url]

I'm an IT Professional, COCKHEAD

My vista has NEVER crashed, COCKHEAD

XP still crashes, COCKHEAD

Get your facts right, COCKHEAD

dzomlija,

If you have had to read this fools posts for as long as most (usually due to
the usual name change)
you would probably end up in resorting to the same language.


"dzomlija" <dzomlija.2zoa6f@no-mx.forums.net> wrote in message
news:dzomlija.2zoa6f@no-mx.forums.net...[color=blue]
>
> Mick Murphy;506154 Wrote:[color=green]
>> I'm an IT Professional, COCKHEAD
>>
>> My vista has NEVER crashed, COCKHEAD
>>
>> XP still crashes, COCKHEAD
>>
>> Get your facts right, COCKHEAD[/color]
>
> While I agree with your assesment that Vista doesn't crash as often as
> does XP, I do not agree with your use of language.
>
> Surely there must be a more polite way to get your point across without
> resorting to colorful expletives?
>
>
> --
> dzomlija
>
> ____________________________________
> Peter Alexander Dzomlija
> Do you hear, huh? The Alpha and The Omega? Death and Rebirth? And as
> you die, so shall I be Reborn...
>
> - ASUS A8N32-SLi-Deluxe
> - AMD Atlon 64 Dual-Core 4800+
> - 4GB DDR400
> - ASUS nVidia 6600
> - Thermaltake Tai-Chi Watercooled Chassis
> - 1207GB Total Formatted Storage
> - Vista Ultimate x64
> - CodeGear Delphi 2007http://dzomlija.spaces.live.com/blog/[/color]

There is a detail here you may be forgetting.. (or perhaps you might not
know)

The REAL Longhorn was ditched and a new plan was made for what longhorn (or
vista) was to be (this happened 2 years before vista was released). In other
words most of the best innovations that they wanted to get into vista was
ditched because they wouldn't ever finish at the pace they were going.

What we call vista now was actually rushed after they threw away most of the
work done for the real longhorn...
what they wanted now (the last 2 years) was to get SOMETHING OUT or ELSE
they would be in financial trouble.
2 years is enough time IF, you have a company that is very organized....

MS has grown so much, as a company even the smallest decisions need MONTHS
to be implemented...

I was reading about how a whole TEAM was needed for a small menu....

Read this story here and weep:
[url]http://moishelettvin.blogspot.com/2006/11/windows-shutdown-crapfest.html[/url]

All these problems is because MS the GIANT had very poor planning...

This is why MS will die if they don't reorganize and get some fresh minds
with new ideas in there...




"dzomlija" <dzomlija.2zo8s9@no-mx.forums.net> wrote in message
news:dzomlija.2zo8s9@no-mx.forums.net...[color=blue]
>[color=green]
>> I'm guessing that the root cause for these problems echoes Vista too - a
>> rush to get the OS out of the door. It makes me sad to say it but we as
>> consumers are now having to put up with buying far too many flawed
>> products because companies are rushing to get products out to market and
>> leaving us (the poor saps stuck with the defective product) to road test
>> it properly, I'll bet that the road to fixes for these problems will be
>> as long and rocky as the one for Vista. Something else that the two
>> operating systems will have in common.[/color]
>
> It's abolutely ironic, isn't? When Vista was still known as Longhorn,
> and there where new articles on the progress of CTP, BETA and RC builds
> almost every day, the one theme that was prevalent is "What's taking so
> long. Microsoft is dragging their feet with Longhorn/Vista".
>
> But now that it's been with us for almost a year, peoples attitudes
> have changed. Now it's a crap, buggy and unstable OS because MS rushed
> it to market?
>
> I don't believe it.
>
> Are we truly that fickle in our assesments? I mean, for pity's sake, it
> took Microsoft the better part of 5 years to finally deliver Vista. And
> we call it rushed?
>
> Get with the program people, because you can't have it both ways.
> Either Microsoft must take as long as is necessary to deliver a stable
> product, and we must wait, or we can rush them and live with the
> consequences. But don't ever, EVER put presure on anyone to deliver
> anything too quickly and then have the gall to blame them when things go
> wrong.
>
> The current release schedule for Windows Seven is about 2 years.
> Personally, I'd like to see Microsoft take yet another 5 years to
> deliver the next version of Windows. Vista's current superb stability
> and compatibility can be attributed to only that. A long development
> cycle, with plenty of BETA testing and feedback.
>
> That's all it takes.
>
>
> --
> dzomlija
>
> ____________________________________
> Peter Alexander Dzomlija
> Do you hear, huh? The Alpha and The Omega? Death and Rebirth? And as
> you die, so shall I be Reborn...
>
> - ASUS A8N32-SLi-Deluxe
> - AMD Atlon 64 Dual-Core 4800+
> - 4GB DDR400
> - ASUS nVidia 6600
> - Thermaltake Tai-Chi Watercooled Chassis
> - 1207GB Total Formatted Storage
> - Vista Ultimate x64
> - CodeGear Delphi 2007[/color]

glsj is right - the security nightmares that exploded around XP caused a
major shift in emphasis for Microsoft. They abandoned a tremendous amount
of work they had already done on Longhorn, and really did almost "start
again", using Server 2003 as a big contributor to the new Vista.

In reality, they wasted three years' work. Vista in its current form was
developed over a couple of years or so.

SteveT

=?Utf-8?B?TWljayBNdXJwaHk=?= <MickMurphy@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote
in news:638B0A1C-5C46-48EA-A3D8-33A3B05F7520@microsoft.com:
[color=blue]
> I'm an IT Professional, COCKHEAD[/color]

Nice to meet you C*CKHEAD.
[color=blue]
>
> XP still crashes, COCKHEAD[/color]

It must be a hardware or driver problem or something else on your PC, it
can't be XP.....since my XP never crashes. (That is the logic right ?)

The last time this install 'blue-screened' was when the CPU fan crapped out
8 months ago.

This story I have posted has been around for quite a long time.. this blog
is only one of its copies in cyberspace...

I have read discussions about it, and I have been persuaded it is true.

The way MS works has been show in many ways.. even if this particular story
was not true, I am sure MS works just like that.

It is not drivel... MS needs reorganization... history will tell you (if
you study it) that one of the biggest dangers with huge companies is
organization...

vistas bad quality is testament to this problem MS is having.

So much money talent and time wasted to give us what?
Vista?... LET ME LAUGH OUT LOUD WITH MS INCOMPETENCE!

As for Linux or MS....

We are talking about a process nor very disimilar to Darwin's natural
selection.
What system survives in the long run is not clear yet...

but I would say that an open system has more chances to survive than
windows... simply because its more versatile.

What is better or more secure does not always matter.... but when you can be
more versatile that is a winning point.

Linux can be run on a watch or a super computer cluster.. this flexibility
gives it many more chances to dominate in the long run.

Sorry... but Vista is a dinosaur that will go extinct. There is no doubt
about it. It must go.

Lets not talk about security... windows is a joke.




"dzomlija" <dzomlija.2zofq0@no-mx.forums.net> wrote in message
news:dzomlija.2zofq0@no-mx.forums.net...[color=blue]
>
> glsj.dw;506184 Wrote:[color=green]
>> There is a detail here you may be forgetting.. (or perhaps you might not
>> know)
>>
>> The REAL Longhorn was ditched and a new plan was made for what longhorn
>> (or vista) was to be (this happened 2 years before vista was released).
>> In other words most of the best innovations that they wanted to get into
>> vista was ditched because they wouldn't ever finish at the pace they
>> were going.
>>
>> What we call vista now was actually rushed after they threw away most
>> of the work done for the real longhorn...
>> what they wanted now (the last 2 years) was to get SOMETHING OUT or
>> ELSE they would be in financial trouble.
>> 2 years is enough time IF, you have a company that is very
>> organized....
>>
>> MS has grown so much, as a company even the smallest decisions need
>> MONTHS to be implemented...
>>
>> I was reading about how a whole TEAM was needed for a small menu....
>>
>> Read this story here and weep:
>> 'moblog: The Windows Shutdown crapfest'
>> ([url]http://moishelettvin.blogspot.com/2006/11/windows-shutdown-crapfest.html[/url])
>>
>> All these problems is because MS the GIANT had very poor planning...
>>
>> This is why MS will die if they don't reorganize and get some fresh
>> minds with new ideas in there...
>>[/color]
>
> I was a BETA tester for Longhorn from BETA 1, so I think I can speak
> with confidence.
>
> The Longhorn codebase was originally based on that of XP, but like
> Steve also mentioned in his post, the myriad security flaws of XP made
> Microsoft do a double-take and they abandoned almost 2 years of
> development on Longhorn to begin almost from scratch, and instead worked
> from the more robust codebase that was Windows Server 2003. This is
> perhaps the most important reason why Vista took 5 years to be
> delivered, in addition to the fact that they had to take a Server
> Operating System and make it more mainstream.
>
> As for Microsoft taking months to finalize a decision: So what if they
> do? Would you prefer that someone has an idea, they implement it right
> away (within days), and then YOU, the end user, ends up with a really
> ****ty product that was rushed? Microsoft (AND other major developers)
> take months to make a decision because they first need to do proper
> feasability studies and other research. This is why Microsoft has gotten
> so big. Because they don't deliver rubbish, unlike Linux.
>
> Has it never occured to you that Linux is rubbish because it is open
> source, and just about every Tom, Dick or Harry can make their own
> contributions, the majority of which is done simply "because it's cool",
> and not because its needed? Personally, from a security standpoint
> alone, I'd rather run a Microsoft OS where the code is kept strictly
> top-secret, as opposed to one such as Linux where anyone can se the
> source and find back-doors and loopholes in the code.
>
> So do yourself a couple of favours, "GLSJ". First, get a proper nick
> that doesn't short out our keyboards typing it. Second, get your facts
> straight. The blog you refer to as "evidence" should be taken with a
> grain of salt. Just because the schmo who wrote it says he used to work
> for Microsoft doesn't make it true. Or have you verified his statements
> by contacting Microsoft? And if you have, we'd love to see this
> "evidence" also.
>
> I try and keep an open mind when responding to posts on this forum, but
> uninformed drivel such as yours really does not do my anger managemnt
> skills any good at all.
>
>
> --
> dzomlija
>
> ____________________________________
> Peter Alexander Dzomlija
> Do you hear, huh? The Alpha and The Omega? Death and Rebirth? And as
> you die, so shall I be Reborn...
>
> - ASUS A8N32-SLi-Deluxe
> - AMD Atlon 64 Dual-Core 4800+
> - 4GB DDR400
> - ASUS nVidia 6600
> - Thermaltake Tai-Chi Watercooled Chassis
> - 1207GB Total Formatted Storage
> - Vista Ultimate x64
> - CodeGear Delphi 2007http://dzomlija.spaces.live.com/blog/[/color]

* Snore *
"glsj.dw" <111@1111.11> wrote in message
news:4731c55c@newsgate.x-privat.org...[color=blue]
> This story I have posted has been around for quite a long time.. this blog
> is only one of its copies in cyberspace...
>
> I have read discussions about it, and I have been persuaded it is true.
>
> The way MS works has been show in many ways.. even if this particular
> story was not true, I am sure MS works just like that.
>
> It is not drivel... MS needs reorganization... history will tell you (if
> you study it) that one of the biggest dangers with huge companies is
> organization...
>
> vistas bad quality is testament to this problem MS is having.
>
> So much money talent and time wasted to give us what?
> Vista?... LET ME LAUGH OUT LOUD WITH MS INCOMPETENCE!
>
> As for Linux or MS....
>
> We are talking about a process nor very disimilar to Darwin's natural
> selection.
> What system survives in the long run is not clear yet...
>
> but I would say that an open system has more chances to survive than
> windows... simply because its more versatile.
>
> What is better or more secure does not always matter.... but when you can
> be more versatile that is a winning point.
>
> Linux can be run on a watch or a super computer cluster.. this flexibility
> gives it many more chances to dominate in the long run.
>
> Sorry... but Vista is a dinosaur that will go extinct. There is no doubt
> about it. It must go.
>
> Lets not talk about security... windows is a joke.
>
>
>
>
> "dzomlija" <dzomlija.2zofq0@no-mx.forums.net> wrote in message
> news:dzomlija.2zofq0@no-mx.forums.net...[color=green]
>>
>> glsj.dw;506184 Wrote:[color=darkred]
>>> There is a detail here you may be forgetting.. (or perhaps you might not
>>> know)
>>>
>>> The REAL Longhorn was ditched and a new plan was made for what longhorn
>>> (or vista) was to be (this happened 2 years before vista was released).
>>> In other words most of the best innovations that they wanted to get into
>>> vista was ditched because they wouldn't ever finish at the pace they
>>> were going.
>>>
>>> What we call vista now was actually rushed after they threw away most
>>> of the work done for the real longhorn...
>>> what they wanted now (the last 2 years) was to get SOMETHING OUT or
>>> ELSE they would be in financial trouble.
>>> 2 years is enough time IF, you have a company that is very
>>> organized....
>>>
>>> MS has grown so much, as a company even the smallest decisions need
>>> MONTHS to be implemented...
>>>
>>> I was reading about how a whole TEAM was needed for a small menu....
>>>
>>> Read this story here and weep:
>>> 'moblog: The Windows Shutdown crapfest'
>>> ([url]http://moishelettvin.blogspot.com/2006/11/windows-shutdown-crapfest.html[/url])
>>>
>>> All these problems is because MS the GIANT had very poor planning...
>>>
>>> This is why MS will die if they don't reorganize and get some fresh
>>> minds with new ideas in there...
>>>[/color]
>>
>> I was a BETA tester for Longhorn from BETA 1, so I think I can speak
>> with confidence.
>>
>> The Longhorn codebase was originally based on that of XP, but like
>> Steve also mentioned in his post, the myriad security flaws of XP made
>> Microsoft do a double-take and they abandoned almost 2 years of
>> development on Longhorn to begin almost from scratch, and instead worked
>> from the more robust codebase that was Windows Server 2003. This is
>> perhaps the most important reason why Vista took 5 years to be
>> delivered, in addition to the fact that they had to take a Server
>> Operating System and make it more mainstream.
>>
>> As for Microsoft taking months to finalize a decision: So what if they
>> do? Would you prefer that someone has an idea, they implement it right
>> away (within days), and then YOU, the end user, ends up with a really
>> ****ty product that was rushed? Microsoft (AND other major developers)
>> take months to make a decision because they first need to do proper
>> feasability studies and other research. This is why Microsoft has gotten
>> so big. Because they don't deliver rubbish, unlike Linux.
>>
>> Has it never occured to you that Linux is rubbish because it is open
>> source, and just about every Tom, Dick or Harry can make their own
>> contributions, the majority of which is done simply "because it's cool",
>> and not because its needed? Personally, from a security standpoint
>> alone, I'd rather run a Microsoft OS where the code is kept strictly
>> top-secret, as opposed to one such as Linux where anyone can se the
>> source and find back-doors and loopholes in the code.
>>
>> So do yourself a couple of favours, "GLSJ". First, get a proper nick
>> that doesn't short out our keyboards typing it. Second, get your facts
>> straight. The blog you refer to as "evidence" should be taken with a
>> grain of salt. Just because the schmo who wrote it says he used to work
>> for Microsoft doesn't make it true. Or have you verified his statements
>> by contacting Microsoft? And if you have, we'd love to see this
>> "evidence" also.
>>
>> I try and keep an open mind when responding to posts on this forum, but
>> uninformed drivel such as yours really does not do my anger managemnt
>> skills any good at all.
>>
>>
>> --
>> dzomlija
>>
>> ____________________________________
>> Peter Alexander Dzomlija
>> Do you hear, huh? The Alpha and The Omega? Death and Rebirth? And as
>> you die, so shall I be Reborn...
>>
>> - ASUS A8N32-SLi-Deluxe
>> - AMD Atlon 64 Dual-Core 4800+
>> - 4GB DDR400
>> - ASUS nVidia 6600
>> - Thermaltake Tai-Chi Watercooled Chassis
>> - 1207GB Total Formatted Storage
>> - Vista Ultimate x64
>> - CodeGear Delphi 2007http://dzomlija.spaces.live.com/blog/[/color]
>
>[/color]

Beg to differ, my Vista crashed every time I tried to drag and drop files
between panes in Explorer. I hadn't encountered anything like it since
Windows 95.

I had to disable Aero, Windows Defender, Search, Indexing, PhotoGallery, and
Restore, amongst other things, just to get my brand new Dual Core 2GB RAM
notebook to stop disk thrashing constantly and actually make it usuable.

So in your words, COCKHEAD, don't try to speak for everyone.

Tom


"Mick Murphy" <MickMurphy@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:638B0A1C-5C46-48EA-A3D8-33A3B05F7520@microsoft.com...[color=blue]
> I'm an IT Professional, COCKHEAD
>
> My vista has NEVER crashed, COCKHEAD
>
> XP still crashes, COCKHEAD
>
> Get your facts right, COCKHEAD
>
>[/color]

glsj.dw wrote:[color=blue]
> As for Linux or MS....
>
> We are talking about a process nor very disimilar to Darwin's natural
> selection.
> What system survives in the long run is not clear yet...
>
> but I would say that an open system has more chances to survive than
> windows... simply because its more versatile.
>
> What is better or more secure does not always matter.... but when you
> can be more versatile that is a winning point.
>
> Linux can be run on a watch or a super computer cluster.. this
> flexibility gives it many more chances to dominate in the long run.
>
> Sorry... but Vista is a dinosaur that will go extinct. There is no
> doubt about it. It must go.
>
> Lets not talk about security... windows is a joke.[/color]

You may be right; while there are only six varieties of Vista, there are at
least 35 versions of Linux.

Linux mutates faster than Windows. Eventually there will appear a version of
Linux indistinguishable from a speaking mattress that flops and lives in a
swamp.

glsj.dw wrote:


---look capin' crunch...just STFU ok---
Frank

Mick Murphy wrote:[color=blue]
> I'm an IT Professional
>
> My vista has NEVER crashed
>
> XP still crashes
>
> Get your facts right
>
>
>[/color]
whoopee doo!

mine has

so?

clean up your language.

"glsj.dw" <111@1111.11> wrote in message
news:4731c55c@newsgate.x-privat.org...[color=blue]
> This story I have posted has been around for quite a long time.. this blog
> is only one of its copies in cyberspace...[/color]

If you are going to base your "facts" on what you find on the internet then
try googling for "vista is great" and "vista is crap" to show how stupid
your "facts" are.

dzomlija wrote:[color=blue]
> dennis;507227 Wrote:[color=green]
>> If you are going to base your "facts" on what you find on the internet
>> then try googling for "vista is great" and "vista is crap" to show how
>> stupid your "facts" are.[/color]
>
> Just in case "glsj.dw" is too stupid to use google:
>
> "vista is great" returned about 75,500,000 results
> "vista is crap" returned about 1,880,000 results
>
>
> If I enclose the search terms in quotes for exact match, I get these
> results:
>
> "vista is great" returned about 32,800 results
> "vista is crap" returned about 10,400 results
>
>
> That is quite a difference, isn't it? These are not random numbers, as
> the screenshots prove.
>
>
> +-------------------------------------------------------------------+
> |Filename: Image2.jpg |
> |Download: http://vista64.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=1593|
> +-------------------------------------------------------------------+
>[/color]

"vista sucks" 216,000 results!

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