You do realize what you just said?

> Microsoft sells the software in
> confidence that they won't abuse the system. The majority of pirated
> copies
> of Windows out there are from volume license contracts.

So why then are they hammering the people who cannot "Afford" the volume
license "Merry go round"?

You just stated that Microsoft sells unprotected software to "Pirates"
then penalizes retail users with accusations of theft and summary
de-activation.

I wouldn't expect a job on the MS laywers' defense team any time soon...


Andre Da Costa[ActiveWin] wrote:
> And thats why Microsoft has volume license programs to avoid this. You don't
> have to activate Volume License software. Microsoft sells the software in
> confidence that they won't abuse the system. The majority of pirated copies
> of Windows out there are from volume license contracts. As for Vista not
> being finished, software is never finished, its always in development. Its
> just that the software reaches a level of stability and users/businesses
> want additional functionality and ease of use, so during that development,
> software is stabilized with new features.

Unfortunately the "Apologists" for Microsoft's appalling business
practices automatically assume (Like Microsoft have begun to do) that
everyone except them is a thief, yet I am quite confident that every
single one of us posting here has at some time broken a license
agreement or "Stolen" something, even if only a company pen. The one guy
qualified to throw stones died 2007 years ago :)

The fact is that these measures MS are taking will NOT affect sales in a
positive way at all, when a Windows system breaks now the owner has no
incentive to buy a new license, they may as well "Try" some other
system, so if that user was going to "Pirate" a version of Windows they
simply won't bother, and MS will lose the "Exposure" and advertising
that machine may have brought and gain absolutely nothing. Instead they
have set up a Linux machine in Grandma's house where future users will
get as familiar and comfortable with Linux as they have historically
been with Windows.

The current licensing model has become way too cumbersome to be managed
effectively, it is full of legal language and full of traps for the
unwary, bringing in a huge profit for lawyers and nothing at all for MS
or their users, it is however a "Raft" for the apologists to cling to.

The big problem of course is that MS have become dedicated to pissing
off legitimate users and most users have no quick way out, however they
WILL find a way out and unless this situation is rectified soon it will
start a mass migration that will then be unstoppable. I am sure someone
at MS is thinking this is just complaints from frustrated "Pirates" and
will continue to do so until the reality hits them in the pocket, and
that will takes some time, but by the time it does a considerable amount
of damage may have been done.

MarcusB wrote:
> Hi rtk,
> You sound very funny.
> We use Volume license (select) for whole University. We are independent
> (750 staff members) department using the University volume license the
> license server KMS are run on University servers (by Computer Centrum)
> which we do not control and they do not care so much if the server is
> down or not. Therefore it is little risky busines to be dependent on
> them. We already bought 100 Vista licenses and very often we got
> problems with their server. THerefore we are thinking to rely on OEM
> licenses which come with computers. What your sugestion?
> It is little stupid to buy Volume licenses for computers which already
> have Vista Buisnes OEM licenses. Am I right?
>
> I appreciate any suggestion to solve our Vista licensing (ghosting)
> nightmare.
>
>
> Regards
> Marcus
>
> 111rtk wrote:
>> Unfortunately, it was the early success of the devils-own volume
>> license key for XP that caused MS to now require activation on these
>> versions as well, using either Windows Vista Multiple Activation Key
>> (MAK) and/or Windows Vista Key Management Service (KMS).
>>
>> Even Enterprise requires activation, but with KMS it's pretty much a
>> no brainer.
>>
>> rtk
>>
>> "Andre Da Costa[ActiveWin]" <andred25********.com> wrote in message
>> news:eCFNalBHIHA.3600@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>>> And thats why Microsoft has volume license programs to avoid this.
>>> You don't have to activate Volume License software. Microsoft sells
>>> the software in confidence that they won't abuse the system. The
>>> majority of pirated copies of Windows out there are from volume
>>> license contracts. As for Vista not being finished, software is never
>>> finished, its always in development. Its just that the software
>>> reaches a level of stability and users/businesses want additional
>>> functionality and ease of use, so during that development, software
>>> is stabilized with new features.
>>> --
>>> Andre
>>> Blog: http://adacosta.spaces.live.com
>>> My Vista Quickstart Guide:
>>> http://adacosta.spaces.live.com/blog...3DB!9709.entry
>>> "Charlie Tame" <charlie@tames.net> wrote in message
>>> news:%23UrywmAHIHA.5584@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>>> MarcusB wrote:
>>>>> It will be much more easy to stay with windows 2000, if the old
>>>>> method with ghosting will not work with Vista.
>>>>> Why Microsoft is doing such difficulties. Does Microsoft want
>>>>> people who like Windows think about another OS etc...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards
>>>>> Marcus
>>>>>
>>>>> Andre Da Costa[ActiveWin] wrote:
>>>>>> You probably need to contact HP about mass deploying Vista on
>>>>>> these computers. XIMAGE is really meant to consolidate the issues
>>>>>> associated with mass deployment of Windows. So its definitely
>>>>>> something you should look into.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> You would think so, and you may get MORE activation difficulties in
>>>> the future based on recent activation problems when a server
>>>> crashed. Besides that, Vista is not finished yet, there are still
>>>> issues which belong in a Beta version, not production software.
>>>> Unfortunately the problem with activation is being backported to XP
>>>> and Windows 2003 server. MS need to stop this behavior toward honest
>>>> customers now or else as you say, people will start to look
>>>> somewhere else. I support their right to avoid theft and piracy but
>>>> NOT their right to consider everybody a thief until proven otherwise.
>>>
>>>

Andre Da Costa[ActiveWin] wrote:
> Check out how this University handles Windows Vista Enterprise and
> Activation 2.0, really interesting article:
> http://kb.wisc.edu/page.php?id=5294


All of which does little to stop piracy and lots to encourage people to
go to another OS - Brilliant...

MarcusB wrote:

> We bought 200 computers(HP Workstation XW4400 with Windows Buisnes OEM)
> to our computer lab.
> For first 8 weeks we was running Windows 2000 pro (so called
> downgrading) on all computers, because I did knew how to ghost and roll
> out it. No activations and such things. Just make ghost, ghost all
> computers and run ghostwalk on all of them.
>
> How I can ghost OEM Vista to all of the computers. Can I install one
> machine with original OEM Vista and ghost it the same way Windows 2000 I
> done. Then rollout and run ghost walk. What with activation. As I know
> HP is using master registration key, and all machine are the same.
> Will ghosting work this way????
> Need help ASAP
>
>
> Regards
> Marcus

What kind of "computer lab" do you run that you'd even consider putting that
toy operating system on all the computers? Are you nuts?

Cheers.

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NoStop wrote:

> MarcusB wrote:
>
>
>>We bought 200 computers(HP Workstation XW4400 with Windows Buisnes OEM)
>>to our computer lab.
>>For first 8 weeks we was running Windows 2000 pro (so called
>>downgrading) on all computers, because I did knew how to ghost and roll
>>out it. No activations and such things. Just make ghost, ghost all
>>computers and run ghostwalk on all of them.
>>
>>How I can ghost OEM Vista to all of the computers. Can I install one
>>machine with original OEM Vista and ghost it the same way Windows 2000 I
>>done. Then rollout and run ghost walk. What with activation. As I know
>>HP is using master registration key, and all machine are the same.
>>Will ghosting work this way????
>>Need help ASAP
>>
>>
>>Regards
>>Marcus
>
>
> What kind of "computer lab" do you run that you'd even consider putting that
> toy operating system on all the computers? Are you nuts?
>
> Cheers.
>


He's not talking about putting a linux toy POS os on them. He's talking
about putting a real OS...in this case Vista on them.
Big difference doris. I guess you're to stupid to know that or else
you've got your pointy head shoved all the way up RS's hairy arse to
know anything right?
Frank