after a week comeing to this site,,seeing all of the post..about all the
problems you all are haveing with vista.driveing your selves crazy...

vista is defective..you guys are trying to do a lot of different things.with
your computers..

within a os thats defective..give up...vista fights you on everything you
try to do and install..its screws up..when you try and do too many things..

go back to a computer with win xp and use it..use your computer .instead of
trying to fix it..everything single day..keep the vista computer,for light
things..like web and email..

im going to use my other computer for everything else,im not fighting this
crap..uncle bill needs to recall all of these os,s and go back to the drawing
board hire some people that know what they are doing for once..

if i was him..i would be ashamed to rip the people off.by selling them a
defective..worthless..pull your hair out product.like vista..do you see all
of these post about your defective product..maybe all of those bilions have
clouded his mind..

Vista works great for many on their computers.
I have no trouble with Windows Vista on two older computers.

"problems you all are haveing with vista"
Obviously FALSE since many are not having problems.

"give up"
why?
I have no problems to give up on.

"go back to a computer with win xp"
I have that as well and no problems.
Many of the complaints today about Windows Vista are similar to 6
years ago when Windows XP was released.
And similar to each previous operating system before that.

"defective..worthless..pull your hair out product.like vista"
If that is what Windows Vista is to you by all means stay with what
you have.
If that is Windows Vista on your computer, there is more to the
problems than just Windows Vista.
No one said you needed to upgrade.
And you shouldn't unless there is something in the new product you
need.
Same as any product from any manufacturer, do not buy simply because
there is something, rarely has that been a good idea.

--
Jupiter Jones [MVP]
http://www3.telus.net/dandemar
http://www.dts-l.org


"wheelman" <wheelman@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:21CBBDEA-5A3A-411B-8776-8DF987F4F8EB@microsoft.com...
> after a week comeing to this site,,seeing all of the post..about all
> the
> problems you all are haveing with vista.driveing your selves
> crazy...
>
> vista is defective..you guys are trying to do a lot of different
> things.with
> your computers..
>
> within a os thats defective..give up...vista fights you on
> everything you
> try to do and install..its screws up..when you try and do too many
> things..
>
> go back to a computer with win xp and use it..use your computer
> .instead of
> trying to fix it..everything single day..keep the vista computer,for
> light
> things..like web and email..
>
> im going to use my other computer for everything else,im not
> fighting this
> crap..uncle bill needs to recall all of these os,s and go back to
> the drawing
> board hire some people that know what they are doing for once..
>
> if i was him..i would be ashamed to rip the people off.by selling
> them a
> defective..worthless..pull your hair out product.like vista..do you
> see all
> of these post about your defective product..maybe all of those
> bilions have
> clouded his mind..

do you read all of these post on here..or are you trying to wear
blinders..for microsofts sake..i feel for all of these people on here..they
are driveing them selves to tears,,trying to get something to work,within
this defective os..they dont want to walk away,they have spent there
money..they are hopeing for miricles..they are not going to come..

you fix one problem.another one is going to pop up..uncle bill got our
money..theres nothing we can do or he is going to do..he robbed the people
out here..plain and simple..i guess he has no problem with that..he,s
counting his billions..

and the people here,will keep posting there problems..after four months,i
seen its limittations..it want do no more.with out..pain and suffering..i got
it to a certain point,,and thats it,i will do everything else with win xp on
the other computer..money lost lessons learned..



"Jupiter Jones [MVP]" wrote:

> Vista works great for many on their computers.
> I have no trouble with Windows Vista on two older computers.
>
> "problems you all are haveing with vista"
> Obviously FALSE since many are not having problems.
>
> "give up"
> why?
> I have no problems to give up on.
>
> "go back to a computer with win xp"
> I have that as well and no problems.
> Many of the complaints today about Windows Vista are similar to 6
> years ago when Windows XP was released.
> And similar to each previous operating system before that.
>
> "defective..worthless..pull your hair out product.like vista"
> If that is what Windows Vista is to you by all means stay with what
> you have.
> If that is Windows Vista on your computer, there is more to the
> problems than just Windows Vista.
> No one said you needed to upgrade.
> And you shouldn't unless there is something in the new product you
> need.
> Same as any product from any manufacturer, do not buy simply because
> there is something, rarely has that been a good idea.
>
> --
> Jupiter Jones [MVP]
> http://www3.telus.net/dandemar
> http://www.dts-l.org
>
>
> "wheelman" <wheelman@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:21CBBDEA-5A3A-411B-8776-8DF987F4F8EB@microsoft.com...
> > after a week comeing to this site,,seeing all of the post..about all
> > the
> > problems you all are haveing with vista.driveing your selves
> > crazy...
> >
> > vista is defective..you guys are trying to do a lot of different
> > things.with
> > your computers..
> >
> > within a os thats defective..give up...vista fights you on
> > everything you
> > try to do and install..its screws up..when you try and do too many
> > things..
> >
> > go back to a computer with win xp and use it..use your computer
> > .instead of
> > trying to fix it..everything single day..keep the vista computer,for
> > light
> > things..like web and email..
> >
> > im going to use my other computer for everything else,im not
> > fighting this
> > crap..uncle bill needs to recall all of these os,s and go back to
> > the drawing
> > board hire some people that know what they are doing for once..
> >
> > if i was him..i would be ashamed to rip the people off.by selling
> > them a
> > defective..worthless..pull your hair out product.like vista..do you
> > see all
> > of these post about your defective product..maybe all of those
> > bilions have
> > clouded his mind..
>
>

Yes, I read the posts, most of them.
No blinders necessary.

"i feel for all of these people"
If you assume others do not care, you will be bound by your false
assumptions and the consequences thereof.

It is you who has blinders if you actually believe:
"vista fights you on everything you try to do"
Clearly NOT "everything" for many.
"problems you all are haveing"
Obviously not all are having problems.
Your exaggerations conflict with the facts.

"you fix one problem.another one is going to pop up"
Not always, another exaggeration from you.

"pain and suffering"
None necessary.
Perhaps those that experience "pain and suffering" have other issues
that go deeper than an uncooperative operating system.

"money lost"
If that describes you, that was entirely your choice.
You bought what you bought and chose not to return it.
Why did you not return Windows Vista or the computer if you felt that
way?

--
Jupiter Jones [MVP]
http://www3.telus.net/dandemar
http://www.dts-l.org


"wheelman" <wheelman@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:7834C450-6B54-4DB3-8765-ED4B042DBE09@microsoft.com...
> do you read all of these post on here..or are you trying to wear
> blinders..for microsofts sake..i feel for all of these people on
> here..they
> are driveing them selves to tears,,trying to get something to
> work,within
> this defective os..they dont want to walk away,they have spent there
> money..they are hopeing for miricles..they are not going to come..
>
> you fix one problem.another one is going to pop up..uncle bill got
> our
> money..theres nothing we can do or he is going to do..he robbed the
> people
> out here..plain and simple..i guess he has no problem with
> that..he,s
> counting his billions..
>
> and the people here,will keep posting there problems..after four
> months,i
> seen its limittations..it want do no more.with out..pain and
> suffering..i got
> it to a certain point,,and thats it,i will do everything else with
> win xp on
> the other computer..money lost lessons learned..
>
>
>
> "Jupiter Jones [MVP]" wrote:
>
>> Vista works great for many on their computers.
>> I have no trouble with Windows Vista on two older computers.
>>
>> "problems you all are haveing with vista"
>> Obviously FALSE since many are not having problems.
>>
>> "give up"
>> why?
>> I have no problems to give up on.
>>
>> "go back to a computer with win xp"
>> I have that as well and no problems.
>> Many of the complaints today about Windows Vista are similar to 6
>> years ago when Windows XP was released.
>> And similar to each previous operating system before that.
>>
>> "defective..worthless..pull your hair out product.like vista"
>> If that is what Windows Vista is to you by all means stay with what
>> you have.
>> If that is Windows Vista on your computer, there is more to the
>> problems than just Windows Vista.
>> No one said you needed to upgrade.
>> And you shouldn't unless there is something in the new product you
>> need.
>> Same as any product from any manufacturer, do not buy simply
>> because
>> there is something, rarely has that been a good idea.
>>
>> --
>> Jupiter Jones [MVP]
>> http://www3.telus.net/dandemar
>> http://www.dts-l.org
>>
>>
>> "wheelman" <wheelman@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> news:21CBBDEA-5A3A-411B-8776-8DF987F4F8EB@microsoft.com...
>> > after a week comeing to this site,,seeing all of the post..about
>> > all
>> > the
>> > problems you all are haveing with vista.driveing your selves
>> > crazy...
>> >
>> > vista is defective..you guys are trying to do a lot of different
>> > things.with
>> > your computers..
>> >
>> > within a os thats defective..give up...vista fights you on
>> > everything you
>> > try to do and install..its screws up..when you try and do too
>> > many
>> > things..
>> >
>> > go back to a computer with win xp and use it..use your computer
>> > .instead of
>> > trying to fix it..everything single day..keep the vista
>> > computer,for
>> > light
>> > things..like web and email..
>> >
>> > im going to use my other computer for everything else,im not
>> > fighting this
>> > crap..uncle bill needs to recall all of these os,s and go back to
>> > the drawing
>> > board hire some people that know what they are doing for once..
>> >
>> > if i was him..i would be ashamed to rip the people off.by selling
>> > them a
>> > defective..worthless..pull your hair out product.like vista..do
>> > you
>> > see all
>> > of these post about your defective product..maybe all of those
>> > bilions have
>> > clouded his mind..
>>
>>

I don't have any problems with Vista!

I am here to help others, like yourself, who have no idea how to use a
computer(YOU), or have bought a Manufecturers OEM preinstalled computer with
all the manufacture's crap on it.

"wheelman" wrote:

> after a week comeing to this site,,seeing all of the post..about all the
> problems you all are haveing with vista.driveing your selves crazy...
>
> vista is defective..you guys are trying to do a lot of different things.with
> your computers..
>
> within a os thats defective..give up...vista fights you on everything you
> try to do and install..its screws up..when you try and do too many things..
>
> go back to a computer with win xp and use it..use your computer .instead of
> trying to fix it..everything single day..keep the vista computer,for light
> things..like web and email..
>
> im going to use my other computer for everything else,im not fighting this
> crap..uncle bill needs to recall all of these os,s and go back to the drawing
> board hire some people that know what they are doing for once..
>
> if i was him..i would be ashamed to rip the people off.by selling them a
> defective..worthless..pull your hair out product.like vista..do you see all
> of these post about your defective product..maybe all of those bilions have
> clouded his mind..

I dont have problems either. Vista is running perfect on my PC.

--Gudmund


"Jupiter Jones [MVP]" <jones_jupiter@hotnomail.com> skrev i meddelelsen
news:Oj13IsJCIHA.1212@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> Vista works great for many on their computers.
> I have no trouble with Windows Vista on two older computers.
>
> "problems you all are haveing with vista"
> Obviously FALSE since many are not having problems.
>
> "give up"
> why?
> I have no problems to give up on.
>
> "go back to a computer with win xp"
> I have that as well and no problems.
> Many of the complaints today about Windows Vista are similar to 6 years
> ago when Windows XP was released.
> And similar to each previous operating system before that.
>
> "defective..worthless..pull your hair out product.like vista"
> If that is what Windows Vista is to you by all means stay with what you
> have.
> If that is Windows Vista on your computer, there is more to the problems
> than just Windows Vista.
> No one said you needed to upgrade.
> And you shouldn't unless there is something in the new product you need.
> Same as any product from any manufacturer, do not buy simply because there
> is something, rarely has that been a good idea.
>
> --
> Jupiter Jones [MVP]
> http://www3.telus.net/dandemar
> http://www.dts-l.org
>
>
> "wheelman" <wheelman@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:21CBBDEA-5A3A-411B-8776-8DF987F4F8EB@microsoft.com...
>> after a week comeing to this site,,seeing all of the post..about all the
>> problems you all are haveing with vista.driveing your selves crazy...
>>
>> vista is defective..you guys are trying to do a lot of different
>> things.with
>> your computers..
>>
>> within a os thats defective..give up...vista fights you on everything you
>> try to do and install..its screws up..when you try and do too many
>> things..
>>
>> go back to a computer with win xp and use it..use your computer .instead
>> of
>> trying to fix it..everything single day..keep the vista computer,for
>> light
>> things..like web and email..
>>
>> im going to use my other computer for everything else,im not fighting
>> this
>> crap..uncle bill needs to recall all of these os,s and go back to the
>> drawing
>> board hire some people that know what they are doing for once..
>>
>> if i was him..i would be ashamed to rip the people off.by selling them a
>> defective..worthless..pull your hair out product.like vista..do you see
>> all
>> of these post about your defective product..maybe all of those bilions
>> have
>> clouded his mind..
>

I started with my first computer in 1989, running Windows 3.1. I have used
every Windows operating system since and I have never had as many problems as
I have with Vista. I had to put XP back on this computer and I will not use
Vista until they fix the problems. They are talking about another new
operating system that is to come out in '09! They haven't even fixed Vista
and they want to put out another system. All they want is our money! They put
out a defective product and overcharge for it! I think I might buy an Apple
computer!!!
--
Chris


"Mick Murphy" wrote:

> I don't have any problems with Vista!
>
> I am here to help others, like yourself, who have no idea how to use a
> computer(YOU), or have bought a Manufecturers OEM preinstalled computer with
> all the manufacture's crap on it.
>
> "wheelman" wrote:
>
> > after a week comeing to this site,,seeing all of the post..about all the
> > problems you all are haveing with vista.driveing your selves crazy...
> >
> > vista is defective..you guys are trying to do a lot of different things.with
> > your computers..
> >
> > within a os thats defective..give up...vista fights you on everything you
> > try to do and install..its screws up..when you try and do too many things..
> >
> > go back to a computer with win xp and use it..use your computer .instead of
> > trying to fix it..everything single day..keep the vista computer,for light
> > things..like web and email..
> >
> > im going to use my other computer for everything else,im not fighting this
> > crap..uncle bill needs to recall all of these os,s and go back to the drawing
> > board hire some people that know what they are doing for once..
> >
> > if i was him..i would be ashamed to rip the people off.by selling them a
> > defective..worthless..pull your hair out product.like vista..do you see all
> > of these post about your defective product..maybe all of those bilions have
> > clouded his mind..

I am in agreement with this policy Why
> should they spend money to write new drivers for every printer they
> made, when those printers will never again increase their profits.

I don't think this is a wise policy at all. Having been forced to replace
two perfectly good HP printers because they had no Vista drivers, I decided
not to buy HP again. I bought a new Canon printer,because they make their
products backwards compatible.

Vista is great filter, showing peoples who has defective minds. Only those
peoples have stupid problems.

On Sun, 7 Oct 2007 00:51:00 -0700, Chris wrote:

> I think I might buy an Apple computer!!!

These new iMacs sure have great displays...

--
Chris Game

"If everything seems under control, you're
just not going fast enough." -- Mario Andretti

On Sun, 7 Oct 2007 02:07:26 -0500, uhaligani wrote:

> Why should they spend money to write new drivers for every printer
> they made, when those printers will never again increase their
> profits.

It's part of the contract they make when they sell the printer,
continued support into the future...

--
Chris Game

"Not everything that can be counted counts, and not everything
that counts can be counted." - Albert Einstein

Good post!
Even my old Lexmark printer has a Vista Driver for it!
As you say, it is to the Hardware Manufacturers to write the Drivers, NOT
Microsoft.

"uhaligani" wrote:

>
> I must say, I'm easy when it comes to operating systems, although my
> preference is Windows in all flavours.. I use them all, and they all
> have their advantages. My desktop dual boots XP and Vista, XP for
> hardware or programs (getting less by the week) that still give bugs in
> Vista.. I experiment with a Linux server, as it has less overheads. I go
> no further than the server as I feel that even the new editions of Linux
> are too buggy.
>
> People are so quick to forget how awful XP was for the first year.
> Driver support was the same then as it is now, companies refuse to write
> stable drivers (if any at all) for older equipment to encourage people
> to buy new products from them. I am in agreement with this policy Why
> should they spend money to write new drivers for every printer they
> made, when those printers will never again increase their profits.
> Anyone who wishes to progress positively in Computer technology, if they
> wish to invest so much in a (unecessary) new OS, should be perpared to
> update their hardware.
>
> My preference for Windows is based on real-life experience, not just
> habit.
>
> In way too many cases, people condemn operating systems or applications
> that they've never even used, or that they've only fooled around with
> for a few minutes or a few hours on a demo system at the store or a
> friend's computer.
>
> In fact, some of the most adamant criticisms I hear about Vista come
> from some of my colleagues who have never run the OS. They'll admit that
> they're basing their opinions on what they've heard from others, but
> insist that if those others are saying it, it must be true. I hear
> people proclaim, "I've never used Vista and I never will" - just as
> proudly as they proclaimed the same thing about XP a few years ago.
>
> A popular comment, for example is that the poster, etc., won't use
> Vista because "the DRM prevents you from playing any of your previously
> downloaded music." That's 100% untrue - I play previously downloaded
> music on my Vista machine all the time and so do many other people, and
> without any prior configuration. But it's something they have read on
> the web somewhere, and it has been integratedt into what they "know"
> about Vista.
>
> There are some good, legitimate, reasons not to upgrade to Vista. If
> you have older hardware that's not supported and you don't want to buy
> new peripherals or a new machine, or if you have applications that won't
> run on Vista, that's a perfectly good reason to keep XP.
>
> But don't blame Vista or Microsoft when peripheral makers fail to
> provide drivers for their hardware components. Someone commented to me
> last week that he had bought a new computer and his Epson printer
> wouldn't work with it because "it's running that stupid Vista." Hey,
> that's Epson's fault, not Vista's. All my older HP printers work just
> fine with Vista - because HP has provided Vista drivers for them. He
> searched the Epson site and couldn't find Vista drivers for his printer;
> sounds to me as if Epson wants you to buy a new printer instead. I'd
> recommend that when/if you do so, you make sure it's not an Epson.
>
> Another good reason not to upgrade is because you don't need to. If
> your XP computer works just fine and it's doing everything you want it
> to do, keep it. Don't feel pressured to go with the newest OS just
> because it is new. Just don't condemn the newest OS because it's new,
> either. And remember that XP went through its growing pains, too. Those
> who point fingers whenever a security flaw is found in Vista apparently
> have forgotten all those flaws that have been patched in XP. And those
> who grumble about Vista's new interface don't seem to remember that they
> were the same ones grumbling about all the changes that came with XP.
>
> If you just don't want to pay for a new OS, you'll hear no argument
> from me. But for some, money has nothing to do with it. Many companies
> pay for the upgrades, although their employees are confortable with
> their old, familiar operating system. And that brings us to some of the
> not-so-good reasons for not upgrading.
>
> Some people aren't comfortable with new things, even if those new
> things are improvements. Likewise, I have colleagues who take one look
> at Vista's new Explorer or with Office 2007's ribbon interface and
> immediately "don't like it" without ever giving it a chance. I like
> learning new things and like to, more closely, examine these changes New
> features such as the clickable path in Explorer make it easier for me to
> get around in the file system, and I welcome that. Iit took a little
> getting used to, like the new Start/menu layout, but now I'd hate to be
> without it.
>
> In many countries, the criminal justice system is built on the
> principle that a person is to be considered innocent until proven
> guilty. New products get no such protection. For those who have used
> Vista for a few months and decided that they like XP better, we just
> have a difference of opinion. The relative merit of an operating system
> interface is a subjective matter and some will always hate what others
> love. There's no problem with that. But for those who have judged Vista
> guilty - of user unfriendliness, of slowness, of security problems, or
> whatever - without ever using it or after giving it a spin for only a
> day or two, I really can't put much stock in their opinions.
>
> I'll always support a persons individual right to use whatever software
> works best for them (including Mac and Linux), but can't they go ahead
> and use it without calling those of us who happen to like Vista stupid
> or implying that we're nothing but Microsoft shills?
>
> What do you think about the OS wars? Why do people (yes, myself
> sometimes included) have a tendency to denigrate others' choices? Why do
> so many folks fear anything that's new? Do you take pride in your
> refusal to upgrade - or on the other hand, do you take pride in being an
> early adopter? Have you vowed never to upgrade based on something you've
> read or heard, without ever actually trying the new software out for
> yourself? Or are you just sensibly waiting until the first service pack,
> or for a price drop, or until your current computer dies, or until your
> mission-critical applications have been upgraded to work with Vista?
>
>
> --
> uhaligani
>

No, it isn't what you say.
It is continued support for the operating system that you bought it for.


"Chris Game" wrote:

> On Sun, 7 Oct 2007 02:07:26 -0500, uhaligani wrote:
>
> > Why should they spend money to write new drivers for every printer
> > they made, when those printers will never again increase their
> > profits.
>
> It's part of the contract they make when they sell the printer,
> continued support into the future...
>
> --
> Chris Game
>
> "Not everything that can be counted counts, and not everything
> that counts can be counted." - Albert Einstein
>

Chris Game wrote:
> On Sun, 7 Oct 2007 02:07:26 -0500, uhaligani wrote:
>
>> Why should they spend money to write new drivers for every printer
>> they made, when those printers will never again increase their
>> profits.
>
> It's part of the contract they make when they sell the printer,
> continued support into the future...
>
When you bought the printer, it specifically listed system requirements.
It stated which OS's were supported. Those that don't work with Vista,
did not have Vista listed. I was aware of this when I bought Vista, and
I accepted that.

I have been running Vista on an HP system since May '07, and have not
had one crash. Almost no problems at all. On the other hand, let's talk
about why I upgraded to Vista. It was because I was fed up with the
instability issues I was experiencing in XP! It took almost a year to
get SP2 installed and the machine was never the same after that. Nothing
but problems with almost all my applications. Constant crashes.

Bottom line here is that an awful lot of the problems I have experienced
in the past were of my own making, my lack of knowledge. That is why I
lurk here, to learn! I have learned a ton from the MVP's and others who
come here to help. I've learned nothing from the crybabies who want
someone to pay for their mistakes.


--
Dave T.

Age is a very high price to pay for maturity.

Maybe I percieve things a bit differently, and perhaps incorrectly, but I've
been involved with using windows and other operating systems for the last 20
or so years. The main problem most of the "experts" seem to be encountering
comes not from any fault of the operating system (usually) but from
everyones attempts to "fix" somthing. It's always best to try READING
directions, not ASSUMING that your knowledge surpasses everyone elses, not
trying to take "shortcuts" before you have a true understanding, and etc...
Another thing is that it would be best to understand that Mr. Gates is
probably not a totally allturistic person; he's like everyone else, he put
togeather a corporation to make MONEY. So, if his corporation thinks it's
best, for their corporation, to try to expand and make money then he, and
they, are exactly like everyone else. They're HUMAN. Might it be best, and
much more fufilling to try to understand, and LEARN from the ideas which we
have bought the rights to use from him?

"wheelman" <wheelman@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:21CBBDEA-5A3A-411B-8776-8DF987F4F8EB@microsoft.com...
> after a week comeing to this site,,seeing all of the post..about all the
> problems you all are haveing with vista.driveing your selves crazy...
>
> vista is defective..you guys are trying to do a lot of different
> things.with
> your computers..
>
> within a os thats defective..give up...vista fights you on everything you
> try to do and install..its screws up..when you try and do too many
> things..
>
> go back to a computer with win xp and use it..use your computer .instead
> of
> trying to fix it..everything single day..keep the vista computer,for light
> things..like web and email..
>
> im going to use my other computer for everything else,im not fighting this
> crap..uncle bill needs to recall all of these os,s and go back to the
> drawing
> board hire some people that know what they are doing for once..
>
> if i was him..i would be ashamed to rip the people off.by selling them a
> defective..worthless..pull your hair out product.like vista..do you see
> all
> of these post about your defective product..maybe all of those bilions
> have
> clouded his mind..