looks like there would be some lawyer some where,that would start a class
action lawsuit for us.maybe thats what microsoft needs..they sure do not care
about us or putting out a defective product..bill gates likes to give away
money to charities,that he stole from us,maybe we could take back some of the
billions,he and his company cheated us out of..i know after months of this
defective,vista os,i would sign up..if they are not stoped ,they are just
going to continue to make and sell more defective,,products..lets get this
lawsuit started...

I'm going to call this number in the am.

Microsoft offers a 45 day refund on all there products.

Along with a up to 7.00 for return shipping. The number to call:

1-888-673-8624

I bought my copy the 1st day. After the 1st few weeks the joy was gone. But
I waited and waited thinking it would be fixed. After seeing the beta SP-1
I'm not at all Impressed. I know, I know. It's a beta. But Waiting for
another 4 -7 months for a "It might be fixed"




"wheelman" <wheelman@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:D17EF881-3302-471E-BECA-09BDEE8B5BD9@microsoft.com...[color=blue]
> looks like there would be some lawyer some where,that would start a class
> action lawsuit for us.maybe thats what microsoft needs..they sure do not
> care
> about us or putting out a defective product..bill gates likes to give away
> money to charities,that he stole from us,maybe we could take back some of
> the
> billions,he and his company cheated us out of..i know after months of this
> defective,vista os,i would sign up..if they are not stoped ,they are just
> going to continue to make and sell more defective,,products..lets get this
> lawsuit started...[/color]

"wheelman" <wheelman@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:D17EF881-3302-471E-BECA-09BDEE8B5BD9@microsoft.com...[color=blue]
> looks like there would be some lawyer some where,that would start a class
> action lawsuit for us.maybe thats what microsoft needs..they sure do not
> care
> about us or putting out a defective product..bill gates likes to give away
> money to charities,that he stole from us,maybe we could take back some of
> the
> billions,he and his company cheated us out of..i know after months of this
> defective,vista os,i would sign up..if they are not stoped ,they are just
> going to continue to make and sell more defective,,products..lets get this
> lawsuit started...[/color]

You have not yet managed to make any actual definitive statement in any of
your recent posts that clearly state why you believe Windows Vista is
"defective".
It is not use just shout you don't like it or it does not work with your old
application or hardware due to app compat or driver issues.
Frankly there are millions of users of Vista world world that are not seeing
a defective product and certainly thousands of users that I have deployed
Vista too that are fully functional without issue or concern.

So why not post your actual definite, clearly articulated and detailed point
by point analysis of why you believe Vista is "defective" - remember if you
really want a class action suit will need to be able to do this so that each
point can be investigated in detail to see if it really is a defect.

So please do post back with your complete detailed list of points.

--

Mike Brannigan

"Kevin Weaver" <kevinkeithweaver@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:f4IMi.212$lE2.68@newssvr22.news.prodigy.net...[color=blue]
> I'm going to call this number in the am.
>
> Microsoft offers a 45 day refund on all there products.
>
> Along with a up to 7.00 for return shipping. The number to call:
>
> 1-888-673-8624
>
> I bought my copy the 1st day. After the 1st few weeks the joy was gone.
> But I waited and waited thinking it would be fixed. After seeing the beta
> SP-1 I'm not at all Impressed. I know, I know. It's a beta. But Waiting
> for another 4 -7 months for a "It might be fixed"
>[/color]

Kevin,

Why not post what you think needs to be fixed (be precise about this and
provide lots of detail).
In many cases this these are not problems with the OS but related to either
changes in the product for enhanced security or application or hardware
compatibility issue or simple user training ones as the way you do a number
of things has changed.
--
Mike Brannigan

"Kevin Weaver" <kevinkeithweaver@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:f4IMi.212$lE2.68@newssvr22.news.prodigy.net...[color=blue]
> I'm going to call this number in the am.
>
> Microsoft offers a 45 day refund on all there products.
>
> Along with a up to 7.00 for return shipping. The number to call:
>
> 1-888-673-8624
>
> I bought my copy the 1st day. After the 1st few weeks the joy was gone.
> But I waited and waited thinking it would be fixed. After seeing the beta
> SP-1 I'm not at all Impressed. I know, I know. It's a beta. But Waiting
> for another 4 -7 months for a "It might be fixed"
>
>
>
>
> "wheelman" <wheelman@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:D17EF881-3302-471E-BECA-09BDEE8B5BD9@microsoft.com...[color=green]
>> looks like there would be some lawyer some where,that would start a class
>> action lawsuit for us.maybe thats what microsoft needs..they sure do not
>> care
>> about us or putting out a defective product..bill gates likes to give
>> away
>> money to charities,that he stole from us,maybe we could take back some of
>> the
>> billions,he and his company cheated us out of..i know after months of
>> this
>> defective,vista os,i would sign up..if they are not stoped ,they are just
>> going to continue to make and sell more defective,,products..lets get
>> this
>> lawsuit started...[/color]
>[/color]

see what im saying.some one all ways comes on and messes with us,when we are
talking about how defective vista is and all the problems every one is
haveing.

they want to take up for microsoft who is screwing us to no end.we know he
sees the post here and how all are negitive.so is microsoft paying these guys
to jump in our post and mess with us,i wouldnt put it past them..i have been
trying for four months to strighten out this os..you get one thing to work
and it does something else so something want work.im

done with complaining.we need a class action law suit..it would be so great
to give it back to the people,thats doing it to us..and to the people that
want to come into our post..and mess with us,take a hike,you are not wanted...

"Mike Brannigan" wrote:
[color=blue]
> "wheelman" <wheelman@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:D17EF881-3302-471E-BECA-09BDEE8B5BD9@microsoft.com...[color=green]
> > looks like there would be some lawyer some where,that would start a class
> > action lawsuit for us.maybe thats what microsoft needs..they sure do not
> > care
> > about us or putting out a defective product..bill gates likes to give away
> > money to charities,that he stole from us,maybe we could take back some of
> > the
> > billions,he and his company cheated us out of..i know after months of this
> > defective,vista os,i would sign up..if they are not stoped ,they are just
> > going to continue to make and sell more defective,,products..lets get this
> > lawsuit started...[/color]
>
> You have not yet managed to make any actual definitive statement in any of
> your recent posts that clearly state why you believe Windows Vista is
> "defective".
> It is not use just shout you don't like it or it does not work with your old
> application or hardware due to app compat or driver issues.
> Frankly there are millions of users of Vista world world that are not seeing
> a defective product and certainly thousands of users that I have deployed
> Vista too that are fully functional without issue or concern.
>
> So why not post your actual definite, clearly articulated and detailed point
> by point analysis of why you believe Vista is "defective" - remember if you
> really want a class action suit will need to be able to do this so that each
> point can be investigated in detail to see if it really is a defect.
>
> So please do post back with your complete detailed list of points.
>
> --
>
> Mike Brannigan
>[/color]

"wheelman" <wheelman@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:D5A14001-8126-4912-B176-1C846B622A05@microsoft.com...[color=blue]
> see what im saying.some one all ways comes on and messes with us,when we
> are
> talking about how defective vista is and all the problems every one is
> haveing.
>
> they want to take up for microsoft who is screwing us to no end.we know he
> sees the post here and how all are negitive.so is microsoft paying these
> guys
> to jump in our post and mess with us,i wouldnt put it past them..i have
> been
> trying for four months to strighten out this os..you get one thing to work
> and it does something else so something want work.im
>
> done with complaining.we need a class action law suit..it would be so
> great
> to give it back to the people,thats doing it to us..and to the people that
> want to come into our post..and mess with us,take a hike,you are not
> wanted...
>[/color]

So you are still avoiding the issue - if you want a class action suit then
you need to clearly state what you think is defective (in detail) about
Windows Vista.
So fare you have said nothing , so one one is going to take you seriously.
I doubt any lawyer is going to take you up on this is you are not capable of
even beginning to clearly state the nature of the defects you wish to site
in the suit.
So come on provide the details now if you really think you have a case.

And as regards[color=blue]
>and to the people that
> want to come into our post..and mess with us,take a hike,you are not
> wanted...[/color]
You know that is the point of posting a discussion? - to have one !. So me
asking you to provide detail is not "messing with your post" - but asking
you to clarify the nature of your issues. If you can't do that then you have
no case.
--
Mike Brannigan

"wheelman" <wheelman@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:D5A14001-8126-4912-B176-1C846B622A05@microsoft.com...[color=blue]
> see what im saying.some one all ways comes on and messes with us,when we
> are
> talking about how defective vista is and all the problems every one is
> haveing.
>
> they want to take up for microsoft who is screwing us to no end.we know he
> sees the post here and how all are negitive.so is microsoft paying these
> guys
> to jump in our post and mess with us,i wouldnt put it past them..i have
> been
> trying for four months to strighten out this os..you get one thing to work
> and it does something else so something want work.im
>
> done with complaining.we need a class action law suit..it would be so
> great
> to give it back to the people,thats doing it to us..and to the people that
> want to come into our post..and mess with us,take a hike,you are not
> wanted...
>
> "Mike Brannigan" wrote:
>[color=green]
>> "wheelman" <wheelman@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> news:D17EF881-3302-471E-BECA-09BDEE8B5BD9@microsoft.com...[color=darkred]
>> > looks like there would be some lawyer some where,that would start a
>> > class
>> > action lawsuit for us.maybe thats what microsoft needs..they sure do
>> > not
>> > care
>> > about us or putting out a defective product..bill gates likes to give
>> > away
>> > money to charities,that he stole from us,maybe we could take back some
>> > of
>> > the
>> > billions,he and his company cheated us out of..i know after months of
>> > this
>> > defective,vista os,i would sign up..if they are not stoped ,they are
>> > just
>> > going to continue to make and sell more defective,,products..lets get
>> > this
>> > lawsuit started...[/color]
>>
>> You have not yet managed to make any actual definitive statement in any
>> of
>> your recent posts that clearly state why you believe Windows Vista is
>> "defective".
>> It is not use just shout you don't like it or it does not work with your
>> old
>> application or hardware due to app compat or driver issues.
>> Frankly there are millions of users of Vista world world that are not
>> seeing
>> a defective product and certainly thousands of users that I have deployed
>> Vista too that are fully functional without issue or concern.
>>
>> So why not post your actual definite, clearly articulated and detailed
>> point
>> by point analysis of why you believe Vista is "defective" - remember if
>> you
>> really want a class action suit will need to be able to do this so that
>> each
>> point can be investigated in detail to see if it really is a defect.
>>
>> So please do post back with your complete detailed list of points.
>>
>> --
>>
>> Mike Brannigan
>>[/color][/color]

You dont get it do you? Vista is so badly designed that its unfixable.
Not even with a service pack will vista be saved.




"Mike Brannigan" <Mike.Brannigan@localhost> wrote in message
news:450EA202-90A6-416F-8BB5-C01A8374439B@microsoft.com...[color=blue]
> "Kevin Weaver" <kevinkeithweaver@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
> news:f4IMi.212$lE2.68@newssvr22.news.prodigy.net...[color=green]
>> I'm going to call this number in the am.
>>
>> Microsoft offers a 45 day refund on all there products.
>>
>> Along with a up to 7.00 for return shipping. The number to call:
>>
>> 1-888-673-8624
>>
>> I bought my copy the 1st day. After the 1st few weeks the joy was gone.
>> But I waited and waited thinking it would be fixed. After seeing the beta
>> SP-1 I'm not at all Impressed. I know, I know. It's a beta. But Waiting
>> for another 4 -7 months for a "It might be fixed"
>>[/color]
>
> Kevin,
>
> Why not post what you think needs to be fixed (be precise about this and
> provide lots of detail).
> In many cases this these are not problems with the OS but related to
> either changes in the product for enhanced security or application or
> hardware compatibility issue or simple user training ones as the way you
> do a number of things has changed.
> --
> Mike Brannigan
>
> "Kevin Weaver" <kevinkeithweaver@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
> news:f4IMi.212$lE2.68@newssvr22.news.prodigy.net...[color=green]
>> I'm going to call this number in the am.
>>
>> Microsoft offers a 45 day refund on all there products.
>>
>> Along with a up to 7.00 for return shipping. The number to call:
>>
>> 1-888-673-8624
>>
>> I bought my copy the 1st day. After the 1st few weeks the joy was gone.
>> But I waited and waited thinking it would be fixed. After seeing the beta
>> SP-1 I'm not at all Impressed. I know, I know. It's a beta. But Waiting
>> for another 4 -7 months for a "It might be fixed"
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> "wheelman" <wheelman@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> news:D17EF881-3302-471E-BECA-09BDEE8B5BD9@microsoft.com...[color=darkred]
>>> looks like there would be some lawyer some where,that would start a
>>> class
>>> action lawsuit for us.maybe thats what microsoft needs..they sure do not
>>> care
>>> about us or putting out a defective product..bill gates likes to give
>>> away
>>> money to charities,that he stole from us,maybe we could take back some
>>> of the
>>> billions,he and his company cheated us out of..i know after months of
>>> this
>>> defective,vista os,i would sign up..if they are not stoped ,they are
>>> just
>>> going to continue to make and sell more defective,,products..lets get
>>> this
>>> lawsuit started...[/color]
>>[/color]
>[/color]

Why clarify man? He says vista sucks and that's all you have to know

What would it help if he told you one feature sucks or the other?

Overall it sucks and its not fixable because the stupidness of vista
is too well integrated with that darn OS.

If MS was willing to haul in vista and rewrite it from scratch THEN we might
be giving you detailed answers. But SP are not rewrites... the mainly fix
some issues,
and add some stuff (not even that will happen in sp1 they wont be adding
anything). MS is stuck with a monster they created and simply cannot go back
now!

The problem with vista starts with its very idea about what an OS should
be... this lack of understanding is surprising.... MS had the experience but
Vista shows
that the people working on it, either were newbies fresh out of collages,
or the people guiding the teams were new to this and have no idea what
people want.

Vista is doomed.... forget about it. Its already good as dead...

so look ahead into a better and brighter future..



"Mike Brannigan" <Mike.Brannigan@localhost> wrote in message
news:7294EDC8-AA1F-4232-A9A5-F9362C15F6C2@microsoft.com...[color=blue]
> "wheelman" <wheelman@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:D5A14001-8126-4912-B176-1C846B622A05@microsoft.com...[color=green]
>> see what im saying.some one all ways comes on and messes with us,when we
>> are
>> talking about how defective vista is and all the problems every one is
>> haveing.
>>
>> they want to take up for microsoft who is screwing us to no end.we know
>> he
>> sees the post here and how all are negitive.so is microsoft paying these
>> guys
>> to jump in our post and mess with us,i wouldnt put it past them..i have
>> been
>> trying for four months to strighten out this os..you get one thing to
>> work
>> and it does something else so something want work.im
>>
>> done with complaining.we need a class action law suit..it would be so
>> great
>> to give it back to the people,thats doing it to us..and to the people
>> that
>> want to come into our post..and mess with us,take a hike,you are not
>> wanted...
>>[/color]
>
> So you are still avoiding the issue - if you want a class action suit then
> you need to clearly state what you think is defective (in detail) about
> Windows Vista.
> So fare you have said nothing , so one one is going to take you seriously.
> I doubt any lawyer is going to take you up on this is you are not capable
> of even beginning to clearly state the nature of the defects you wish to
> site in the suit.
> So come on provide the details now if you really think you have a case.
>
> And as regards[color=green]
>>and to the people that
>> want to come into our post..and mess with us,take a hike,you are not
>> wanted...[/color]
> You know that is the point of posting a discussion? - to have one !. So
> me asking you to provide detail is not "messing with your post" - but
> asking you to clarify the nature of your issues. If you can't do that then
> you have no case.
> --
> Mike Brannigan
>
> "wheelman" <wheelman@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:D5A14001-8126-4912-B176-1C846B622A05@microsoft.com...[color=green]
>> see what im saying.some one all ways comes on and messes with us,when we
>> are
>> talking about how defective vista is and all the problems every one is
>> haveing.
>>
>> they want to take up for microsoft who is screwing us to no end.we know
>> he
>> sees the post here and how all are negitive.so is microsoft paying these
>> guys
>> to jump in our post and mess with us,i wouldnt put it past them..i have
>> been
>> trying for four months to strighten out this os..you get one thing to
>> work
>> and it does something else so something want work.im
>>
>> done with complaining.we need a class action law suit..it would be so
>> great
>> to give it back to the people,thats doing it to us..and to the people
>> that
>> want to come into our post..and mess with us,take a hike,you are not
>> wanted...
>>
>> "Mike Brannigan" wrote:
>>[color=darkred]
>>> "wheelman" <wheelman@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>>> news:D17EF881-3302-471E-BECA-09BDEE8B5BD9@microsoft.com...
>>> > looks like there would be some lawyer some where,that would start a
>>> > class
>>> > action lawsuit for us.maybe thats what microsoft needs..they sure do
>>> > not
>>> > care
>>> > about us or putting out a defective product..bill gates likes to give
>>> > away
>>> > money to charities,that he stole from us,maybe we could take back some
>>> > of
>>> > the
>>> > billions,he and his company cheated us out of..i know after months of
>>> > this
>>> > defective,vista os,i would sign up..if they are not stoped ,they are
>>> > just
>>> > going to continue to make and sell more defective,,products..lets get
>>> > this
>>> > lawsuit started...
>>>
>>> You have not yet managed to make any actual definitive statement in any
>>> of
>>> your recent posts that clearly state why you believe Windows Vista is
>>> "defective".
>>> It is not use just shout you don't like it or it does not work with your
>>> old
>>> application or hardware due to app compat or driver issues.
>>> Frankly there are millions of users of Vista world world that are not
>>> seeing
>>> a defective product and certainly thousands of users that I have
>>> deployed
>>> Vista too that are fully functional without issue or concern.
>>>
>>> So why not post your actual definite, clearly articulated and detailed
>>> point
>>> by point analysis of why you believe Vista is "defective" - remember if
>>> you
>>> really want a class action suit will need to be able to do this so that
>>> each
>>> point can be investigated in detail to see if it really is a defect.
>>>
>>> So please do post back with your complete detailed list of points.
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> Mike Brannigan
>>>[/color][/color]
>[/color]

You don't even run Vista. Some spokesperson you would be, eh..


"wheelman" <wheelman@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:D17EF881-3302-471E-BECA-09BDEE8B5BD9@microsoft.com...[color=blue]
> looks like there would be some lawyer some where,that would start a class
> action lawsuit for us.maybe thats what microsoft needs..they sure do not
> care
> about us or putting out a defective product..bill gates likes to give away
> money to charities,that he stole from us,maybe we could take back some of
> the
> billions,he and his company cheated us out of..i know after months of this
> defective,vista os,i would sign up..if they are not stoped ,they are just
> going to continue to make and sell more defective,,products..lets get this
> lawsuit started...[/color]

wheelman was ranting in:[color=blue]
> looks like there would be some lawyer some where,that would start a class
> action lawsuit for us.maybe that's what microsoft needs..they sure do not care
> about us or putting out a defective product..bill gates likes to give away
> money to charities,that he stole from us,maybe we could take back some of the
> billions,he and his company cheated us out of..i know after months of this
> defective,vista os, i would sign up..if they are not stoped ,they are just
> going to continue to make and sell more defective,,products..lets get this
> lawsuit started...[/color]

Install Linux or by an Apple computer.
--

Wim Hekken :-)

"Tibery-OS" <Tib@OS.com> wrote in message
news:470370b6$1@newsgate.x-privat.org...[color=blue]
> Why clarify man? He says vista sucks and that's all you have to know
>
> What would it help if he told you one feature sucks or the other?
>
> Overall it sucks and its not fixable because the stupidness of vista
> is too well integrated with that darn OS.
>
> If MS was willing to haul in vista and rewrite it from scratch THEN we
> might be giving you detailed answers. But SP are not rewrites... the
> mainly fix some issues,
> and add some stuff (not even that will happen in sp1 they wont be adding
> anything). MS is stuck with a monster they created and simply cannot go
> back now!
>
> The problem with vista starts with its very idea about what an OS should
> be... this lack of understanding is surprising.... MS had the experience
> but Vista shows
> that the people working on it, either were newbies fresh out of collages,
> or the people guiding the teams were new to this and have no idea what
> people want.
>
> Vista is doomed.... forget about it. Its already good as dead...
>
> so look ahead into a better and brighter future..
>[/color]

He is asking for a class action suit and cannot (as yet) actually justify
his claims of defects.
Unless he can come back with a detailed list of so called defects he does
not have a case.
You are not helping either as again you are just using the the "vista sucks
and that's all you have to know" acquisition against the product. Again
meaningless ,so yes we would all like to see that list of defects provide in
detail and not just some this doesn't work like it did in XP or it's
"stupid" childish approaches.

Microsoft do not have to withdrawn anything to get you to provide "detailed
answers" if you don't provide it now how do you expect anyone (including
Microsoft) to actually understand what your problems are then triage them
for fixing etc.
Again it is no good stamping your feet like a petulant child and saying
"they have to rewrite it" and yet not provide the detail anyone would expect
for such as demand or a class action suit.

Please by all means when you provide the detail of defects - also include
your better then Microsoft's understanding of "the very idea about what an
OS should be"
So lets have the detail of defects and then your view of an OS.
It really is as simple as if you cannot provide the list of defects then you
might as well refrain from any further postulating with "vista is doomed ..
dead" etc.
--

Mike Brannigan

"Tibery-OS" <Tib@OS.com> wrote in message
news:470370b6$1@newsgate.x-privat.org...[color=blue]
> Why clarify man? He says vista sucks and that's all you have to know
>
> What would it help if he told you one feature sucks or the other?
>
> Overall it sucks and its not fixable because the stupidness of vista
> is too well integrated with that darn OS.
>
> If MS was willing to haul in vista and rewrite it from scratch THEN we
> might be giving you detailed answers. But SP are not rewrites... the
> mainly fix some issues,
> and add some stuff (not even that will happen in sp1 they wont be adding
> anything). MS is stuck with a monster they created and simply cannot go
> back now!
>
> The problem with vista starts with its very idea about what an OS should
> be... this lack of understanding is surprising.... MS had the experience
> but Vista shows
> that the people working on it, either were newbies fresh out of collages,
> or the people guiding the teams were new to this and have no idea what
> people want.
>
> Vista is doomed.... forget about it. Its already good as dead...
>
> so look ahead into a better and brighter future..
>
>
>
> "Mike Brannigan" <Mike.Brannigan@localhost> wrote in message
> news:7294EDC8-AA1F-4232-A9A5-F9362C15F6C2@microsoft.com...[color=green]
>> "wheelman" <wheelman@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> news:D5A14001-8126-4912-B176-1C846B622A05@microsoft.com...[color=darkred]
>>> see what im saying.some one all ways comes on and messes with us,when we
>>> are
>>> talking about how defective vista is and all the problems every one is
>>> haveing.
>>>
>>> they want to take up for microsoft who is screwing us to no end.we know
>>> he
>>> sees the post here and how all are negitive.so is microsoft paying these
>>> guys
>>> to jump in our post and mess with us,i wouldnt put it past them..i have
>>> been
>>> trying for four months to strighten out this os..you get one thing to
>>> work
>>> and it does something else so something want work.im
>>>
>>> done with complaining.we need a class action law suit..it would be so
>>> great
>>> to give it back to the people,thats doing it to us..and to the people
>>> that
>>> want to come into our post..and mess with us,take a hike,you are not
>>> wanted...
>>>[/color]
>>
>> So you are still avoiding the issue - if you want a class action suit
>> then you need to clearly state what you think is defective (in detail)
>> about Windows Vista.
>> So fare you have said nothing , so one one is going to take you
>> seriously.
>> I doubt any lawyer is going to take you up on this is you are not capable
>> of even beginning to clearly state the nature of the defects you wish to
>> site in the suit.
>> So come on provide the details now if you really think you have a case.
>>
>> And as regards[color=darkred]
>>>and to the people that
>>> want to come into our post..and mess with us,take a hike,you are not
>>> wanted...[/color]
>> You know that is the point of posting a discussion? - to have one !. So
>> me asking you to provide detail is not "messing with your post" - but
>> asking you to clarify the nature of your issues. If you can't do that
>> then you have no case.
>> --
>> Mike Brannigan
>>
>> "wheelman" <wheelman@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> news:D5A14001-8126-4912-B176-1C846B622A05@microsoft.com...[color=darkred]
>>> see what im saying.some one all ways comes on and messes with us,when we
>>> are
>>> talking about how defective vista is and all the problems every one is
>>> haveing.
>>>
>>> they want to take up for microsoft who is screwing us to no end.we know
>>> he
>>> sees the post here and how all are negitive.so is microsoft paying these
>>> guys
>>> to jump in our post and mess with us,i wouldnt put it past them..i have
>>> been
>>> trying for four months to strighten out this os..you get one thing to
>>> work
>>> and it does something else so something want work.im
>>>
>>> done with complaining.we need a class action law suit..it would be so
>>> great
>>> to give it back to the people,thats doing it to us..and to the people
>>> that
>>> want to come into our post..and mess with us,take a hike,you are not
>>> wanted...
>>>
>>> "Mike Brannigan" wrote:
>>>
>>>> "wheelman" <wheelman@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:D17EF881-3302-471E-BECA-09BDEE8B5BD9@microsoft.com...
>>>> > looks like there would be some lawyer some where,that would start a
>>>> > class
>>>> > action lawsuit for us.maybe thats what microsoft needs..they sure do
>>>> > not
>>>> > care
>>>> > about us or putting out a defective product..bill gates likes to give
>>>> > away
>>>> > money to charities,that he stole from us,maybe we could take back
>>>> > some of
>>>> > the
>>>> > billions,he and his company cheated us out of..i know after months of
>>>> > this
>>>> > defective,vista os,i would sign up..if they are not stoped ,they are
>>>> > just
>>>> > going to continue to make and sell more defective,,products..lets get
>>>> > this
>>>> > lawsuit started...
>>>>
>>>> You have not yet managed to make any actual definitive statement in any
>>>> of
>>>> your recent posts that clearly state why you believe Windows Vista is
>>>> "defective".
>>>> It is not use just shout you don't like it or it does not work with
>>>> your old
>>>> application or hardware due to app compat or driver issues.
>>>> Frankly there are millions of users of Vista world world that are not
>>>> seeing
>>>> a defective product and certainly thousands of users that I have
>>>> deployed
>>>> Vista too that are fully functional without issue or concern.
>>>>
>>>> So why not post your actual definite, clearly articulated and detailed
>>>> point
>>>> by point analysis of why you believe Vista is "defective" - remember if
>>>> you
>>>> really want a class action suit will need to be able to do this so that
>>>> each
>>>> point can be investigated in detail to see if it really is a defect.
>>>>
>>>> So please do post back with your complete detailed list of points.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>>
>>>> Mike Brannigan
>>>>[/color]
>>[/color]
>
>[/color]

He isn't using Vista, probably never has..


"Tibery-OS" <Tib@OS.com> wrote in message
news:470370b6$1@newsgate.x-privat.org...[color=blue]
> Why clarify man? He says vista sucks and that's all you have to know
>
> What would it help if he told you one feature sucks or the other?
>
> Overall it sucks and its not fixable because the stupidness of vista
> is too well integrated with that darn OS.
>
> If MS was willing to haul in vista and rewrite it from scratch THEN we
> might be giving you detailed answers. But SP are not rewrites... the
> mainly fix some issues,
> and add some stuff (not even that will happen in sp1 they wont be adding
> anything). MS is stuck with a monster they created and simply cannot go
> back now!
>
> The problem with vista starts with its very idea about what an OS should
> be... this lack of understanding is surprising.... MS had the experience
> but Vista shows
> that the people working on it, either were newbies fresh out of collages,
> or the people guiding the teams were new to this and have no idea what
> people want.
>
> Vista is doomed.... forget about it. Its already good as dead...
>
> so look ahead into a better and brighter future..
>
>
>
> "Mike Brannigan" <Mike.Brannigan@localhost> wrote in message
> news:7294EDC8-AA1F-4232-A9A5-F9362C15F6C2@microsoft.com...[color=green]
>> "wheelman" <wheelman@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> news:D5A14001-8126-4912-B176-1C846B622A05@microsoft.com...[color=darkred]
>>> see what im saying.some one all ways comes on and messes with us,when we
>>> are
>>> talking about how defective vista is and all the problems every one is
>>> haveing.
>>>
>>> they want to take up for microsoft who is screwing us to no end.we know
>>> he
>>> sees the post here and how all are negitive.so is microsoft paying these
>>> guys
>>> to jump in our post and mess with us,i wouldnt put it past them..i have
>>> been
>>> trying for four months to strighten out this os..you get one thing to
>>> work
>>> and it does something else so something want work.im
>>>
>>> done with complaining.we need a class action law suit..it would be so
>>> great
>>> to give it back to the people,thats doing it to us..and to the people
>>> that
>>> want to come into our post..and mess with us,take a hike,you are not
>>> wanted...
>>>[/color]
>>
>> So you are still avoiding the issue - if you want a class action suit
>> then you need to clearly state what you think is defective (in detail)
>> about Windows Vista.
>> So fare you have said nothing , so one one is going to take you
>> seriously.
>> I doubt any lawyer is going to take you up on this is you are not capable
>> of even beginning to clearly state the nature of the defects you wish to
>> site in the suit.
>> So come on provide the details now if you really think you have a case.
>>
>> And as regards[color=darkred]
>>>and to the people that
>>> want to come into our post..and mess with us,take a hike,you are not
>>> wanted...[/color]
>> You know that is the point of posting a discussion? - to have one !. So
>> me asking you to provide detail is not "messing with your post" - but
>> asking you to clarify the nature of your issues. If you can't do that
>> then you have no case.
>> --
>> Mike Brannigan
>>
>> "wheelman" <wheelman@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> news:D5A14001-8126-4912-B176-1C846B622A05@microsoft.com...[color=darkred]
>>> see what im saying.some one all ways comes on and messes with us,when we
>>> are
>>> talking about how defective vista is and all the problems every one is
>>> haveing.
>>>
>>> they want to take up for microsoft who is screwing us to no end.we know
>>> he
>>> sees the post here and how all are negitive.so is microsoft paying these
>>> guys
>>> to jump in our post and mess with us,i wouldnt put it past them..i have
>>> been
>>> trying for four months to strighten out this os..you get one thing to
>>> work
>>> and it does something else so something want work.im
>>>
>>> done with complaining.we need a class action law suit..it would be so
>>> great
>>> to give it back to the people,thats doing it to us..and to the people
>>> that
>>> want to come into our post..and mess with us,take a hike,you are not
>>> wanted...
>>>
>>> "Mike Brannigan" wrote:
>>>
>>>> "wheelman" <wheelman@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:D17EF881-3302-471E-BECA-09BDEE8B5BD9@microsoft.com...
>>>> > looks like there would be some lawyer some where,that would start a
>>>> > class
>>>> > action lawsuit for us.maybe thats what microsoft needs..they sure do
>>>> > not
>>>> > care
>>>> > about us or putting out a defective product..bill gates likes to give
>>>> > away
>>>> > money to charities,that he stole from us,maybe we could take back
>>>> > some of
>>>> > the
>>>> > billions,he and his company cheated us out of..i know after months of
>>>> > this
>>>> > defective,vista os,i would sign up..if they are not stoped ,they are
>>>> > just
>>>> > going to continue to make and sell more defective,,products..lets get
>>>> > this
>>>> > lawsuit started...
>>>>
>>>> You have not yet managed to make any actual definitive statement in any
>>>> of
>>>> your recent posts that clearly state why you believe Windows Vista is
>>>> "defective".
>>>> It is not use just shout you don't like it or it does not work with
>>>> your old
>>>> application or hardware due to app compat or driver issues.
>>>> Frankly there are millions of users of Vista world world that are not
>>>> seeing
>>>> a defective product and certainly thousands of users that I have
>>>> deployed
>>>> Vista too that are fully functional without issue or concern.
>>>>
>>>> So why not post your actual definite, clearly articulated and detailed
>>>> point
>>>> by point analysis of why you believe Vista is "defective" - remember if
>>>> you
>>>> really want a class action suit will need to be able to do this so that
>>>> each
>>>> point can be investigated in detail to see if it really is a defect.
>>>>
>>>> So please do post back with your complete detailed list of points.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>>
>>>> Mike Brannigan
>>>>[/color]
>>[/color]
>
>[/color]

On Oct 3, 8:28 pm, "Tibery-OS" <T...@OS.com> wrote:[color=blue]
> You dont get it do you? Vista is so badly designed that its unfixable.
> Not even with a service pack will vista be saved.
>[/color]

How about you stop your "Vista is evil" preaching and go back to your
hole in the ground. If you don't like Vista - that's fine but don't go
around posting as if your opinion is the only correct opinion in the
world. You instantly dismiss the opinions of others (without any sense
of reason whatsoever) and if you don't like Vista, what are you doing
in this newsgroup? You aren't helping anyone, and honestly no-one
would care if you left.

Mike Brannigan wrote:[color=blue]
> "Tibery-OS" <Tib@OS.com> wrote in message
> news:470370b6$1@newsgate.x-privat.org...[color=green]
>> Why clarify man? He says vista sucks and that's all you have to know
>>
>> What would it help if he told you one feature sucks or the other?
>>
>> Overall it sucks and its not fixable because the stupidness of vista
>> is too well integrated with that darn OS.
>>
>> If MS was willing to haul in vista and rewrite it from scratch THEN we
>> might be giving you detailed answers. But SP are not rewrites... the
>> mainly fix some issues,
>> and add some stuff (not even that will happen in sp1 they wont be
>> adding anything). MS is stuck with a monster they created and simply
>> cannot go back now!
>>
>> The problem with vista starts with its very idea about what an OS
>> should be... this lack of understanding is surprising.... MS had the
>> experience but Vista shows
>> that the people working on it, either were newbies fresh out of
>> collages, or the people guiding the teams were new to this and have no
>> idea what people want.
>>
>> Vista is doomed.... forget about it. Its already good as dead...
>>
>> so look ahead into a better and brighter future..
>>[/color]
>
> He is asking for a class action suit and cannot (as yet) actually
> justify his claims of defects.
> Unless he can come back with a detailed list of so called defects he
> does not have a case.
> You are not helping either as again you are just using the the "vista
> sucks and that's all you have to know" acquisition against the
> product. Again meaningless ,so yes we would all like to see that list
> of defects provide in detail and not just some this doesn't work like it
> did in XP or it's "stupid" childish approaches.
>
> Microsoft do not have to withdrawn anything to get you to provide
> "detailed answers" if you don't provide it now how do you expect anyone
> (including Microsoft) to actually understand what your problems are then
> triage them for fixing etc.
> Again it is no good stamping your feet like a petulant child and saying
> "they have to rewrite it" and yet not provide the detail anyone would
> expect for such as demand or a class action suit.
>
> Please by all means when you provide the detail of defects - also
> include your better then Microsoft's understanding of "the very idea
> about what an OS should be"
> So lets have the detail of defects and then your view of an OS.
> It really is as simple as if you cannot provide the list of defects then
> you might as well refrain from any further postulating with "vista is
> doomed .. dead" etc.[/color]

Off the top of my head, here are some of the defects:

WPA
WGA
WGA/N
UAC
Indexing
"Search"
No Compiz-Fusion
Clunky, fixed Windows
IE7
WMP 11
DRM
Price is waaaaaaaaaaaay too high in Europe, i.e., over 800 US Dollars
for Ultimate Retail.
No 3D Cube
Only one desktop
The need for a high end computer to run it.

That said, a class action suit is stupid. If one doesn't want or like
Vista, there are plenty of better alternatives including XP.

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Mike Hall - MVP wrote:[color=blue]
> He isn't using Vista, probably never has..
>[/color]

One doesn't have to jump off a 50 story building to know that it isn't a
good idea. Are you suggesting that one should just blindly buy something
without researching it first?

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