Before anyone tries to blast me again.. this is NOT my article..
Thats WHY I provide the LINK along with the TEXT so you can see the original
source, yet you can read the contents of the article in your newsreader.

[url]http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,2190228,00.asp[/url]

Opinion: Vista has turned into the desktop operating system no one wants,
and even Microsoft is beginning to get it.

Today, I think of Vista as the zombie operating system. It stumbles around,
and from a distance you might think it's alive, but close up it's the
walking dead.
The first sign that Vista was in real trouble was when major vendors started
to offer XP again on new machines. In February, Microsoft insisted it had
already sold more than 20 million copies of Windows Vista. Oh yeah, like
there were actually 20 million copies of Vista already out there and
running.

If Vista was doing great, then why did Dell break ranks with the other major
OEMs to start offering XP again and become the first top-tier vendor to
offer XP in replacement for Vista in April? Adding insult to injury, Dell
actually had the effrontery to offer desktop Linux to its customers.
Click here to read more about Microsoft keeping Windows XP in play.
Other OEMs followed Dell's lead, or to be more precise, its customers'
demands. Lenovo, for example, when it rolled out its revamped high-end
ThinkPad T61p workstation notebooks in July, made a point of offering not
just Vista but XP Pro and, yes, several Linux distributions, including
Novell's SUSE, Red Hat and Turbo Linux.
So it came as no surprise at all to me when Mike Nash, Microsoft's corporate
vice president for Windows product management, announced that, due to OEM
demand, Microsoft will keep selling XP until June 2008. Of course, he also
claims there is little chance the June 30 date will be extended.
Want to bet?
Nash and Microsoft apologist Rob Enderle claim that it's no fault with Vista
that's causing customers to stay away from it. Indeed, Nash insists that
Vista is on track to become the fastest-selling operating system of all
time. Really? Then why in the world is Microsoft continuing to offer
in-house competition?
At the same time, Enderle, an analyst who counts Microsoft as a customer,
said, "Vista adoption is well below where I thought it would be by
now...Corporations aren't even close to being ready for Vista, and many of
us have been expecting this move. The biggest issue is that most don't seem
to see the value in the product. Right now the majority of the comments I'm
getting would indicate the people [who] don't want Vista right now are in
the majority."
Enderle, mind you, is about as pro-Microsoft an analyst there is in the
business today. If he's saying that people don't want Vista, and the OEMs,
which at the end of the day are all about selling units, don't want to sell
it, the only conclusion you can come to is that Vista is failing to win the
market.
There are many reasons why Vista is doing the zombie stumble. Microsoft has
and continues to mislead customers about how much PC is really needed to run
Vista. Even some of Windows' most loyal users are finding that its poor
performance, lousy software support and pathetic driver support is too much
to stomach. People who wouldn't touch any Microsoft product until the first
service patch appears. And, last but never ever least, if XP isn't broke,
why "fix" it with Vista?
Now you might think some of this is legacy backlash. People don't like
change. They'd rather use Windows 2000 than XP, Windows 98 SE than 2000,and
Windows ME more than...well, OK, no one liked ME. But I've been through
these cycles many times before. This is different.
XP SP2, with XP SP3 finally due to show up soon, is not only the best
Windows to date, I can't think of a single reason to switch from XP to
Vista. I'm not talking a good reason, I really mean any reason.
If you want a better operating system than XP, may I recommend Xandros as
the most painless way for an XP user to give Linux a try, or if the idea of
installing Linux gives you hives, you can just buy an Ubuntu-powered Dell
1420 laptop, which is a very sweet machine. Or just bite the bullet and go
ahead and buy, say, the new MacBook Pro 15-inch to give Mac OS a try.
Whatever you do, even if it's just sticking with XP, you'll be doing better
than moving to Vista. Vista is the walking dead of the operating-system
world.

"Tiberius" <Tibery******.com> wrote in message
news:46fd6806@newsgate.x-privat.org...[color=blue]
> Before anyone tries to blast me again.. this is NOT my article..
> Thats WHY I provide the LINK along with the TEXT so you can see the
> original source, yet you can read the contents of the article in your
> newsreader.
>[/color]

But your point is exactly what ??
This is a peer to peer support newsgroups for users of Windows Vista not a
forum for endless posts of your and others anti Vista comments etc.
Please try and confine yourself to actually responding to questions and not
just posting more anti Vista articles.
This group exists to allow users with questions to ask them of their peers
and for their peers to respond.
--

Mike Brannigan

this is a public newsgroup available on many news servers not a help forum.

Vista.General not vista.support.only

My post is related to vista, and it is in fact news, and newsgroups are
about news.
It is my opinion you do not like and you are trying to silence diversity..

this is a big no no....

There is one title you just deserved>> Netcop...

If you want control make a forum of your own and become the admin.

Thank you


"Mike Brannigan" <Mike.Brannigan@localhost> wrote in message
news:1D929841-8063-4B92-8FC9-0F5B4C2ACAB6@microsoft.com...[color=blue]
> "Tiberius" <Tibery******.com> wrote in message
> news:46fd6806@newsgate.x-privat.org...[color=green]
>> Before anyone tries to blast me again.. this is NOT my article..
>> Thats WHY I provide the LINK along with the TEXT so you can see the
>> original source, yet you can read the contents of the article in your
>> newsreader.
>>[/color]
>
> But your point is exactly what ??
> This is a peer to peer support newsgroups for users of Windows Vista not a
> forum for endless posts of your and others anti Vista comments etc.
> Please try and confine yourself to actually responding to questions and
> not just posting more anti Vista articles.
> This group exists to allow users with questions to ask them of their peers
> and for their peers to respond.
> --
>
> Mike Brannigan[/color]

What you are doing is SPAMMING the Microsoft Windows Vista
Community Newsgroups with information (often misinformation)
no one cares about. This is typical of someone that has a desire to
broadcast their deviant adolescent behavior.

Unless you can actually provide helpful advice, please don't bother
submitting irrelevant posts to this newsgroup.

Perhaps finishing your high school education should be a priority
with you.



"Tiberius" <Tibery******.com> wrote in message news:46fd6fdd@newsgate.x-privat.org...
this is a public newsgroup available on many news servers not a help forum.

Vista.General not vista.support.only

My post is related to vista, and it is in fact news, and newsgroups are
about news.
It is my opinion you do not like and you are trying to silence diversity..

this is a big no no....

There is one title you just deserved>> Netcop...

If you want control make a forum of your own and become the admin.

Thank you


"Mike Brannigan" <Mike.Brannigan@localhost> wrote in message
news:1D929841-8063-4B92-8FC9-0F5B4C2ACAB6@microsoft.com...[color=blue]
> "Tiberius" <Tibery******.com> wrote in message
> news:46fd6806@newsgate.x-privat.org...[color=green]
>> Before anyone tries to blast me again.. this is NOT my article..
>> Thats WHY I provide the LINK along with the TEXT so you can see the
>> original source, yet you can read the contents of the article in your
>> newsreader.
>>[/color]
>
> But your point is exactly what ??
> This is a peer to peer support newsgroups for users of Windows Vista not a
> forum for endless posts of your and others anti Vista comments etc.
> Please try and confine yourself to actually responding to questions and
> not just posting more anti Vista articles.
> This group exists to allow users with questions to ask them of their peers
> and for their peers to respond.
> --
>
> Mike Brannigan[/color]

Mike Brannigan wrote:[color=blue]
> "Tiberius" <Tibery******.com> wrote in message
> news:46fd6806@newsgate.x-privat.org...[color=green]
>> Before anyone tries to blast me again.. this is NOT my article..
>> Thats WHY I provide the LINK along with the TEXT so you can see the
>> original source, yet you can read the contents of the article in your
>> newsreader.
>>[/color]
>
> But your point is exactly what ??
> This is a peer to peer support newsgroups for users of Windows Vista
> not a forum for endless posts of your and others anti Vista comments etc.
> Please try and confine yourself to actually responding to questions
> and not just posting more anti Vista articles.
> This group exists to allow users with questions to ask them of their
> peers and for their peers to respond.[/color]
who died and elected you pope? his post was Vista related. if you
don't like his posts, put him in your twit file. I don't mind someone
complaining about Vista, but I do mine people bitching about posters'
grammar or their topics. ie, just IGNORE him, if you don't like him.
stop trying to impose your views on what are suitable topics here. jeez!

Dave

"Tiberius" <Tibery******.com> wrote in message
news:46fd6806@newsgate.x-privat.org...[color=blue]
> Before anyone tries to blast me again.. this is NOT my article..
> Thats WHY I provide the LINK along with the TEXT so you can see the
> original source, yet you can read the contents of the article in your
> newsreader.[/color]

Admit it, blowhard, your only purpose here is to stir things up, not help
anyone. If this was the XP launch, you'd be one of those back in that day,
that were saying how much XP sucked and don't buy it and stick with 98 SE.
As a beta tester since NT5 the scenerio now is just the same as when XP
launched. Yet, since XP SP2 (I discount SP1 because it helped but not as
much as SP2 did), suddenly XP became a good OS (don't forget how much
hardware hard XP was over 98 Se at that time... vista is actually less over
XP) and is now the darling and so trolls like you won't even admit Vista has
the same capability. You are a moron and all the ilk like you. If you hate
Vista so much, here, have a quarter and call someone that cares.

I was around when XP launched and no.. I had nothing bad to say about it.

When people did say something bad about XP I looked at them with a very
strange look.. they were crazy. XP is the best thing that ever happened to
Microsoft.

XP saved me from windows98 that I was using before...
A flaky unstable and limited OS.

In fact because of XP I was able to produce more work, faster, and of
greater complexity than I ever though possible.

It has been stable as a rock and provided quality service on all my
computers.

Thank you MS for creating XP, but no thank you for Vista.

"Peter M" <phmcn********.com> wrote in message
news:e3ASm8hAIHA.5960@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...[color=blue]
>
> "Tiberius" <Tibery******.com> wrote in message
> news:46fd6806@newsgate.x-privat.org...[color=green]
>> Before anyone tries to blast me again.. this is NOT my article..
>> Thats WHY I provide the LINK along with the TEXT so you can see the
>> original source, yet you can read the contents of the article in your
>> newsreader.[/color]
>
> Admit it, blowhard, your only purpose here is to stir things up, not help
> anyone. If this was the XP launch, you'd be one of those back in that day,
> that were saying how much XP sucked and don't buy it and stick with 98 SE.
> As a beta tester since NT5 the scenerio now is just the same as when XP
> launched. Yet, since XP SP2 (I discount SP1 because it helped but not as
> much as SP2 did), suddenly XP became a good OS (don't forget how much
> hardware hard XP was over 98 Se at that time... vista is actually less
> over XP) and is now the darling and so trolls like you won't even admit
> Vista has the same capability. You are a moron and all the ilk like you.
> If you hate Vista so much, here, have a quarter and call someone that
> cares.[/color]

Watch Out Or Microsoft Will Start Censoring Your Post's, They Already Are
Censoring My Post's, Just FYI.

"Tiberius" <Tibery******.com> wrote in message
news:46fd6806@newsgate.x-privat.org...[color=blue]
> Before anyone tries to blast me again.. this is NOT my article..
> Thats WHY I provide the LINK along with the TEXT so you can see the
> original source, yet you can read the contents of the article in your
> newsreader.
>
> [url]http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,2190228,00.asp[/url]
>
> Opinion: Vista has turned into the desktop operating system no one wants,
> and even Microsoft is beginning to get it.
>
> Today, I think of Vista as the zombie operating system. It stumbles
> around, and from a distance you might think it's alive, but close up it's
> the walking dead.
> The first sign that Vista was in real trouble was when major vendors
> started to offer XP again on new machines. In February, Microsoft insisted
> it had already sold more than 20 million copies of Windows Vista. Oh yeah,
> like there were actually 20 million copies of Vista already out there and
> running.
>
> If Vista was doing great, then why did Dell break ranks with the other
> major OEMs to start offering XP again and become the first top-tier vendor
> to offer XP in replacement for Vista in April? Adding insult to injury,
> Dell actually had the effrontery to offer desktop Linux to its customers.
> Click here to read more about Microsoft keeping Windows XP in play.
> Other OEMs followed Dell's lead, or to be more precise, its customers'
> demands. Lenovo, for example, when it rolled out its revamped high-end
> ThinkPad T61p workstation notebooks in July, made a point of offering not
> just Vista but XP Pro and, yes, several Linux distributions, including
> Novell's SUSE, Red Hat and Turbo Linux.
> So it came as no surprise at all to me when Mike Nash, Microsoft's
> corporate vice president for Windows product management, announced that,
> due to OEM demand, Microsoft will keep selling XP until June 2008. Of
> course, he also claims there is little chance the June 30 date will be
> extended.
> Want to bet?
> Nash and Microsoft apologist Rob Enderle claim that it's no fault with
> Vista that's causing customers to stay away from it. Indeed, Nash insists
> that Vista is on track to become the fastest-selling operating system of
> all time. Really? Then why in the world is Microsoft continuing to offer
> in-house competition?
> At the same time, Enderle, an analyst who counts Microsoft as a customer,
> said, "Vista adoption is well below where I thought it would be by
> now...Corporations aren't even close to being ready for Vista, and many of
> us have been expecting this move. The biggest issue is that most don't
> seem to see the value in the product. Right now the majority of the
> comments I'm getting would indicate the people [who] don't want Vista
> right now are in the majority."
> Enderle, mind you, is about as pro-Microsoft an analyst there is in the
> business today. If he's saying that people don't want Vista, and the OEMs,
> which at the end of the day are all about selling units, don't want to
> sell it, the only conclusion you can come to is that Vista is failing to
> win the market.
> There are many reasons why Vista is doing the zombie stumble. Microsoft
> has and continues to mislead customers about how much PC is really needed
> to run Vista. Even some of Windows' most loyal users are finding that its
> poor performance, lousy software support and pathetic driver support is
> too much to stomach. People who wouldn't touch any Microsoft product until
> the first service patch appears. And, last but never ever least, if XP
> isn't broke, why "fix" it with Vista?
> Now you might think some of this is legacy backlash. People don't like
> change. They'd rather use Windows 2000 than XP, Windows 98 SE than
> 2000,and Windows ME more than...well, OK, no one liked ME. But I've been
> through these cycles many times before. This is different.
> XP SP2, with XP SP3 finally due to show up soon, is not only the best
> Windows to date, I can't think of a single reason to switch from XP to
> Vista. I'm not talking a good reason, I really mean any reason.
> If you want a better operating system than XP, may I recommend Xandros as
> the most painless way for an XP user to give Linux a try, or if the idea
> of installing Linux gives you hives, you can just buy an Ubuntu-powered
> Dell 1420 laptop, which is a very sweet machine. Or just bite the bullet
> and go ahead and buy, say, the new MacBook Pro 15-inch to give Mac OS a
> try.
> Whatever you do, even if it's just sticking with XP, you'll be doing
> better than moving to Vista. Vista is the walking dead of the
> operating-system world.
>[/color]

Tiberius wrote:[color=blue]
> I was around when XP launched and no.. I had nothing bad to say about it.
>[/color]
Who exactly, do you think you are?
[color=blue]
> When people did say something bad about XP I looked at them with a very
> strange look.. they were crazy. XP is the best thing that ever happened to
> Microsoft.
>[/color]
No, actually Win95 was the best thing that ever happened to MS.
Then Win2k was the best thing to ever happen to MS.
Then XP SP2 was the best thing to ever happen to MS.
Now Vista is the best thing to ever happen to MS.
But stay tuned, there is still something always better to happen to MS.
[color=blue]
> XP saved me from windows98 that I was using before...
> A flaky unstable and limited OS.[/color]

Oh really? So you've always had trouble getting computers to run
properly for you, huh.
I though so.[color=blue]
>
> In fact because of XP I was able to produce more work, faster, and of
> greater complexity than I ever though possible.[/color]

What kind of work exactly do you do?[color=blue]
>
> It has been stable as a rock and provided quality service on all my
> computers.[/color]

So you just got lucky huh? I mean you never could get any another
version of Windows to run correctly, right?[color=blue]
>
> Thank you MS for creating XP, but no thank you for Vista.[/color]

Then maybe your luck with computers just ran out and XP (and only XP)
was it for you.
Like a one hit wonder, ya'tnk?
Too bad!
I guess you're just one unlucky dude, dude.
Frank

On Fri, 28 Sep 2007 16:07:15 -0700, Frank <fb@osspan.clm> wrote:
[color=blue]
>Tiberius wrote:[color=green]
>> I was around when XP launched and no.. I had nothing bad to say about it.
>>[/color]
>Who exactly, do you think you are?[/color]

He's one of the posters that constantly kicks the crap out of your
stinky ass Frank, that's who Tiberius is.

You see Frank, if you're stupid enough to lob big juicy slow moving
balls right down the middle of home plate it is very easy to smack it
into the upper desk. You really need to find somebody to do your
ranting for you. You absolutely suck at it. Then again you suck at
everything you do as you've proved countless times.

I'm beginning to think you like getting smacked.

"Peter M" <phmcn********.com> wrote in message
news:e3ASm8hAIHA.5960@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...[color=blue]
>
> "Tiberius" <Tibery******.com> wrote in message
> news:46fd6806@newsgate.x-privat.org...[color=green]
>> Before anyone tries to blast me again.. this is NOT my article..
>> Thats WHY I provide the LINK along with the TEXT so you can see the
>> original source, yet you can read the contents of the article in your
>> newsreader.[/color]
>
> Admit it, blowhard, your only purpose here is to stir things up, not help
> anyone. If this was the XP launch, you'd be one of those back in that day,
> that were saying how much XP sucked and don't buy it and stick with 98 SE.
> As a beta tester since NT5 the scenerio now is just the same as when XP
> launched. Yet, since XP SP2 (I discount SP1 because it helped but not as
> much as SP2 did), suddenly XP became a good OS (don't forget how much
> hardware hard XP was over 98 Se at that time... vista is actually less
> over XP) and is now the darling and so trolls like you won't even admit
> Vista has the same capability. You are a moron and all the ilk like you.
> If you hate Vista so much, here, have a quarter and call someone that
> cares.[/color]

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