"Achilles" <arrheniushill******.com> wrote in message
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> Why did MS botch it up? Well, (1) Vista's defrag doesnt seem to work
> all that well, when fragmentation levels are analyzed with 3rd party
> tools, and (2) it offers users no progress display to even check what's
> going on, or any way of controlling the process, setting defrag
> properties on individual drives etc.[/color]

Agreed! I use Vopt. Old school and works fine in Vista.

I run the defrag from Command Prompt, this shows progress, CMD is still so
important in vista its not funny!



"Retired Bill" wrote:
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> I too think Vista Defrag sucks too, it's just stupid to have a process
> without at least a status bar showing percent of process complete. Every
> install package, tool, utility, etc. all show a status bar of process
> complete.
> You MVP's may be geeks but your own arrogance about what you think users
> need is regrettable. Obviously the overwhelming opinion of knolwageable
> users indicate they want a more descritive "defrag" process.
> I managed system engineers most of my career at Boeing (BCS) and understood
> the customers (users) requirements. You just ignor them. Wonder if Balmer
> knows about this issue and your inability to satisfy your customers ?????
> --
> Retired Boeing Bill
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The title of this post is half right. Vista defrag is not only simple
minded - it treats its users as simple minded morons who do not need to
know details. Howz about a defrag report after analysis, MS? Rather than
the bland statement "your disc does not need to be defragged" [implying
.... no, I'm not going to tell you why, now piss of and don't bother me
until next time]

goorambatman wrote:[color=blue]
> I run the defrag from Command Prompt, this shows progress, CMD is still so
> important in vista its not funny!
>
>
>
> "Retired Bill" wrote:
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>> I too think Vista Defrag sucks too, it's just stupid to have a process
>> without at least a status bar showing percent of process complete. Every
>> install package, tool, utility, etc. all show a status bar of process
>> complete.
>> You MVP's may be geeks but your own arrogance about what you think users
>> need is regrettable. Obviously the overwhelming opinion of knolwageable
>> users indicate they want a more descritive "defrag" process.
>> I managed system engineers most of my career at Boeing (BCS) and understood
>> the customers (users) requirements. You just ignor them. Wonder if Balmer
>> knows about this issue and your inability to satisfy your customers ?????
>> --
>> Retired Boeing Bill
>>
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I am trying to solve a problem on a friend's laptop running Vista. I thought
the diskeeper isn't running at all but after reading this I have the
impression it might be running but there's no way for me to tell for sure. Is
that right?
Completely agree with your conclusions by the way, Retired Bill!

"Retired Bill" wrote:
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> I too think Vista Defrag sucks too, it's just stupid to have a process
> without at least a status bar showing percent of process complete. Every
> install package, tool, utility, etc. all show a status bar of process
> complete.
> You MVP's may be geeks but your own arrogance about what you think users
> need is regrettable. Obviously the overwhelming opinion of knolwageable
> users indicate they want a more descritive "defrag" process.
> I managed system engineers most of my career at Boeing (BCS) and understood
> the customers (users) requirements. You just ignor them. Wonder if Balmer
> knows about this issue and your inability to satisfy your customers ?????
> --
> Retired Boeing Bill
>
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> This post is a suggestion for Microsoft, and Microsoft responds to the
> suggestions with the most votes. To vote for this suggestion, click the "I
> Agree" button in the message pane. If you do not see the button, follow this
> link to open the suggestion in the Microsoft Web-based Newsreader and then
> click "I Agree" in the message pane.
>
> [url]http://windowshelp.microsoft.com/communities/newsgroups/en-us/default.mspx?mid=2d3f9edc-0983-43af-b2c8-7812c0fd9bdc&dg=microsoft.public.windows.vista.general[/url][/color]

That's hefty language you're using, Frank. I think you're missing a point
though: many users - actually a vast majority - just wants to know what's
going on when a program is running. Not every change is by default a change
for the better and in this case it's definitely a step backward. I'd also say
that having a different opinion doesn't necessarily qualify as a 'fool'.

"Frank" wrote:
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> Tiberius wrote:[color=green]
> > yes it is.. I have posted numerous times about this.. yet the vistaboys
> > don't seem to understand...
> >[/color]
>
> Vistaboys? Who the hell are they?
> Vista defrags just fine in the background. That's what confuses new
> users (you are now using Vista correct capin' crunch?) as they try and
> compare Vista's defrag with XP's. Old habits are hard to break for some.
> That's the problem with fools like you who can't accept change. Anyway,
> please tells us all what background defragmenting has to do with the
> efficacy of the app?
>
>[color=green]
> > strange how people can have so diverse views about clearly logical and
> > undeniable facts![/color]
>
> You just don't get it do you.
> Frank
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