"Frank" <fb@nosspan.clim> wrote in message
news:eufs$1U%23HHA.4752@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> Andrew McLaren wrote:
>
>> PS 2 hours later - still no sign of plesiochronous, from Vista Search.
>> Even Findstr finds it in a few seconds.
>>
>
> I copied "plesiochronous' to my search...nothing on my computer...hit
> search the Internet ...live search brought up numerous results within
> seconds.
> Frank

I pasted "plesiochronous" in my computer and got three hits.. all posts in
this thread.

"Frank" <fb@nosspan.clim> wrote in message
news:eufs$1U%23HHA.4752@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> Andrew McLaren wrote:
>
>> PS 2 hours later - still no sign of plesiochronous, from Vista Search.
>> Even Findstr finds it in a few seconds.
>>
>
> I copied "plesiochronous' to my search...nothing on my computer...hit
> search the Internet ...live search brought up numerous results within
> seconds.
> Frank

I pasted "plesiochronous" in my computer and got three hits.. all posts in
this thread.

"Frank" <fb@nosspan.clim> wrote in message
news:eufs$1U%23HHA.4752@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> Andrew McLaren wrote:
>
>> PS 2 hours later - still no sign of plesiochronous, from Vista Search.
>> Even Findstr finds it in a few seconds.
>>
>
> I copied "plesiochronous' to my search...nothing on my computer...hit
> search the Internet ...live search brought up numerous results within
> seconds.
> Frank

I pasted "plesiochronous" in my computer and got three hits.. all posts in
this thread.

"David" <david@invalid.com> wrote in message
news:gLqdndkLV6YPQnDbnZ2dnUVZ_sCtnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
> Mick Murphy wrote:
>> Vista search is great. It is one of the many things that I like about
>> Vista.
>>
>>
>>>
>
> LOL! that's great that it works on your machine. I"ve had to disable it
> on mine. Even tried rebuilding the index. no joy. so i run with
> indexing service turned off. NOW Vista can find files. It never worked
> right, "right out of the box" on a new laptop. updates the past few
> months have not fixed it. dont even get me started on all the features
> that MS dropped from Vista. and the ones that remain are of dubious
> value, at best. this OS is one of the worst they have produced. DOS 4.0,
> Windows Me, and now Vista. Good ones: DOS 6.22, XP.
>

Are you saying I can turn off indexing and go back to normal search (like
XP)? - If so, how do i go about it?

"David" <david@invalid.com> wrote in message
news:gLqdndkLV6YPQnDbnZ2dnUVZ_sCtnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
> Mick Murphy wrote:
>> Vista search is great. It is one of the many things that I like about
>> Vista.
>>
>>
>>>
>
> LOL! that's great that it works on your machine. I"ve had to disable it
> on mine. Even tried rebuilding the index. no joy. so i run with
> indexing service turned off. NOW Vista can find files. It never worked
> right, "right out of the box" on a new laptop. updates the past few
> months have not fixed it. dont even get me started on all the features
> that MS dropped from Vista. and the ones that remain are of dubious
> value, at best. this OS is one of the worst they have produced. DOS 4.0,
> Windows Me, and now Vista. Good ones: DOS 6.22, XP.
>

Are you saying I can turn off indexing and go back to normal search (like
XP)? - If so, how do i go about it?

"David" <david@invalid.com> wrote in message
news:gLqdndkLV6YPQnDbnZ2dnUVZ_sCtnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
> Mick Murphy wrote:
>> Vista search is great. It is one of the many things that I like about
>> Vista.
>>
>>
>>>
>
> LOL! that's great that it works on your machine. I"ve had to disable it
> on mine. Even tried rebuilding the index. no joy. so i run with
> indexing service turned off. NOW Vista can find files. It never worked
> right, "right out of the box" on a new laptop. updates the past few
> months have not fixed it. dont even get me started on all the features
> that MS dropped from Vista. and the ones that remain are of dubious
> value, at best. this OS is one of the worst they have produced. DOS 4.0,
> Windows Me, and now Vista. Good ones: DOS 6.22, XP.
>

Are you saying I can turn off indexing and go back to normal search (like
XP)? - If so, how do i go about it?

I read this in the help menu:


"....Can I turn the Windows search index on or off?

No, the index can't be turned off or paused.

The Windows search index improves the efficiency of your searches by
keeping....."

How did you manage to turn of indexing??



"JethroUK©" <reply@the.board> wrote in message
news:OJbFxqW%23HHA.4784@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>
> "David" <david@invalid.com> wrote in message
> news:gLqdndkLV6YPQnDbnZ2dnUVZ_sCtnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>> Mick Murphy wrote:
>>> Vista search is great. It is one of the many things that I like about
>>> Vista.
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>
>> LOL! that's great that it works on your machine. I"ve had to disable it
>> on mine. Even tried rebuilding the index. no joy. so i run with
>> indexing service turned off. NOW Vista can find files. It never worked
>> right, "right out of the box" on a new laptop. updates the past few
>> months have not fixed it. dont even get me started on all the features
>> that MS dropped from Vista. and the ones that remain are of dubious
>> value, at best. this OS is one of the worst they have produced. DOS
>> 4.0, Windows Me, and now Vista. Good ones: DOS 6.22, XP.
>>
>
> Are you saying I can turn off indexing and go back to normal search (like
> XP)? - If so, how do i go about it?

I read this in the help menu:


"....Can I turn the Windows search index on or off?

No, the index can't be turned off or paused.

The Windows search index improves the efficiency of your searches by
keeping....."

How did you manage to turn of indexing??



"JethroUK©" <reply@the.board> wrote in message
news:OJbFxqW%23HHA.4784@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>
> "David" <david@invalid.com> wrote in message
> news:gLqdndkLV6YPQnDbnZ2dnUVZ_sCtnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>> Mick Murphy wrote:
>>> Vista search is great. It is one of the many things that I like about
>>> Vista.
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>
>> LOL! that's great that it works on your machine. I"ve had to disable it
>> on mine. Even tried rebuilding the index. no joy. so i run with
>> indexing service turned off. NOW Vista can find files. It never worked
>> right, "right out of the box" on a new laptop. updates the past few
>> months have not fixed it. dont even get me started on all the features
>> that MS dropped from Vista. and the ones that remain are of dubious
>> value, at best. this OS is one of the worst they have produced. DOS
>> 4.0, Windows Me, and now Vista. Good ones: DOS 6.22, XP.
>>
>
> Are you saying I can turn off indexing and go back to normal search (like
> XP)? - If so, how do i go about it?

I read this in the help menu:


"....Can I turn the Windows search index on or off?

No, the index can't be turned off or paused.

The Windows search index improves the efficiency of your searches by
keeping....."

How did you manage to turn of indexing??



"JethroUK©" <reply@the.board> wrote in message
news:OJbFxqW%23HHA.4784@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>
> "David" <david@invalid.com> wrote in message
> news:gLqdndkLV6YPQnDbnZ2dnUVZ_sCtnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>> Mick Murphy wrote:
>>> Vista search is great. It is one of the many things that I like about
>>> Vista.
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>
>> LOL! that's great that it works on your machine. I"ve had to disable it
>> on mine. Even tried rebuilding the index. no joy. so i run with
>> indexing service turned off. NOW Vista can find files. It never worked
>> right, "right out of the box" on a new laptop. updates the past few
>> months have not fixed it. dont even get me started on all the features
>> that MS dropped from Vista. and the ones that remain are of dubious
>> value, at best. this OS is one of the worst they have produced. DOS
>> 4.0, Windows Me, and now Vista. Good ones: DOS 6.22, XP.
>>
>
> Are you saying I can turn off indexing and go back to normal search (like
> XP)? - If so, how do i go about it?

Okay, Okay you're ripping on something that you have no idea how it even
works? DUH!

"JethroUK©" wrote:

>
> "Robert Firth" <webmaster@winvistainfo.org> wrote in message
> news:%23BKuloJ%23HHA.3916@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> > Before anything can be fixed or reported, you need to describe a specific
> > situation where it doesn't work.
>
> I had Vista for days (not years) and it has failed to find things on several
> occassions already - I can only speak for the stuff i know is there that it
> didn't find - who is to say the search function isn't missing things all the
> time - hence why it is totally redundant
>
>
> > Perhaps your file was in a location that hasn't been indexed.
>
> perhaps it hasn't - who knows
> it never used to need 'indexing'
> assume i don't know what indexing is
> i do know that if i copy/paste files it can find them but again that relies
> on me knowing where stuff is, and 'search'ing by definition means the user
> doesn't know where stuff is - that's the whole point of letting the machine
> search
>
>
> > You can modify the locations on your computer that are indexed.
> > I personally have had no problems with Vista's search.
>
> sure you do - you just haven't noticed yet
>
> > In fact, it is one of my favorite features.
>
> i can only say you're very easily pleased
>
> > It certainly isn't scrap.
>
> for sure it is - this is a huuuuuuuuuuuuuuge problem and will be costing
> companies millions already, such that all of Microsoft Vista's other
> problems pale into insignificance by comparison - i certainly do not want
> any other update from Microsoft that does not address this problem - until
> such times i have to be content with physically looking for files on my P.C.
> which is nothing short of absurd
>
> It is bad enough that M/Soft sell software that they know for a fact is
> littered with problems and having such a large customer base, any issues can
> be identified very, very quickly, but they should act upon it - they know
> this is a problem and are certainly in a position to fix it by morning (2000
> programmers working through the night would certainly find the bug) -
> frankly i can't understand why they need the embaressment & not trying to
> cover it up before too many people notice
>
> this is 2007 and not 1980 - isn't it????????????????
>
>
> > --
> > Robert Firth
> > http://www.winvistainfo.org
> >
> > "JethroUK©" <reply@the.board> wrote in message
> > news:ewgj8lJ#HHA.700@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> >> Despite Vista search being hailed (by Microsoft) as 'a main feature',
> >> Vista search has bugs - such that some things it simply can not find
> >>
> >> A search system that can not find 'some' things is as useless as one that
> >> can not find 'any' things
> >>
> >> Are Microsoft working around the clock to fix it? Will it be fixed by
> >> Monday? Am I the only person that thinks this renders the whole O/S close
> >> to scrap?
> >
>
>

Okay, Okay you're ripping on something that you have no idea how it even
works? DUH!

"JethroUK©" wrote:

>
> "Robert Firth" <webmaster@winvistainfo.org> wrote in message
> news:%23BKuloJ%23HHA.3916@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> > Before anything can be fixed or reported, you need to describe a specific
> > situation where it doesn't work.
>
> I had Vista for days (not years) and it has failed to find things on several
> occassions already - I can only speak for the stuff i know is there that it
> didn't find - who is to say the search function isn't missing things all the
> time - hence why it is totally redundant
>
>
> > Perhaps your file was in a location that hasn't been indexed.
>
> perhaps it hasn't - who knows
> it never used to need 'indexing'
> assume i don't know what indexing is
> i do know that if i copy/paste files it can find them but again that relies
> on me knowing where stuff is, and 'search'ing by definition means the user
> doesn't know where stuff is - that's the whole point of letting the machine
> search
>
>
> > You can modify the locations on your computer that are indexed.
> > I personally have had no problems with Vista's search.
>
> sure you do - you just haven't noticed yet
>
> > In fact, it is one of my favorite features.
>
> i can only say you're very easily pleased
>
> > It certainly isn't scrap.
>
> for sure it is - this is a huuuuuuuuuuuuuuge problem and will be costing
> companies millions already, such that all of Microsoft Vista's other
> problems pale into insignificance by comparison - i certainly do not want
> any other update from Microsoft that does not address this problem - until
> such times i have to be content with physically looking for files on my P.C.
> which is nothing short of absurd
>
> It is bad enough that M/Soft sell software that they know for a fact is
> littered with problems and having such a large customer base, any issues can
> be identified very, very quickly, but they should act upon it - they know
> this is a problem and are certainly in a position to fix it by morning (2000
> programmers working through the night would certainly find the bug) -
> frankly i can't understand why they need the embaressment & not trying to
> cover it up before too many people notice
>
> this is 2007 and not 1980 - isn't it????????????????
>
>
> > --
> > Robert Firth
> > http://www.winvistainfo.org
> >
> > "JethroUK©" <reply@the.board> wrote in message
> > news:ewgj8lJ#HHA.700@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> >> Despite Vista search being hailed (by Microsoft) as 'a main feature',
> >> Vista search has bugs - such that some things it simply can not find
> >>
> >> A search system that can not find 'some' things is as useless as one that
> >> can not find 'any' things
> >>
> >> Are Microsoft working around the clock to fix it? Will it be fixed by
> >> Monday? Am I the only person that thinks this renders the whole O/S close
> >> to scrap?
> >
>
>

Okay, Okay you're ripping on something that you have no idea how it even
works? DUH!

"JethroUK©" wrote:

>
> "Robert Firth" <webmaster@winvistainfo.org> wrote in message
> news:%23BKuloJ%23HHA.3916@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> > Before anything can be fixed or reported, you need to describe a specific
> > situation where it doesn't work.
>
> I had Vista for days (not years) and it has failed to find things on several
> occassions already - I can only speak for the stuff i know is there that it
> didn't find - who is to say the search function isn't missing things all the
> time - hence why it is totally redundant
>
>
> > Perhaps your file was in a location that hasn't been indexed.
>
> perhaps it hasn't - who knows
> it never used to need 'indexing'
> assume i don't know what indexing is
> i do know that if i copy/paste files it can find them but again that relies
> on me knowing where stuff is, and 'search'ing by definition means the user
> doesn't know where stuff is - that's the whole point of letting the machine
> search
>
>
> > You can modify the locations on your computer that are indexed.
> > I personally have had no problems with Vista's search.
>
> sure you do - you just haven't noticed yet
>
> > In fact, it is one of my favorite features.
>
> i can only say you're very easily pleased
>
> > It certainly isn't scrap.
>
> for sure it is - this is a huuuuuuuuuuuuuuge problem and will be costing
> companies millions already, such that all of Microsoft Vista's other
> problems pale into insignificance by comparison - i certainly do not want
> any other update from Microsoft that does not address this problem - until
> such times i have to be content with physically looking for files on my P.C.
> which is nothing short of absurd
>
> It is bad enough that M/Soft sell software that they know for a fact is
> littered with problems and having such a large customer base, any issues can
> be identified very, very quickly, but they should act upon it - they know
> this is a problem and are certainly in a position to fix it by morning (2000
> programmers working through the night would certainly find the bug) -
> frankly i can't understand why they need the embaressment & not trying to
> cover it up before too many people notice
>
> this is 2007 and not 1980 - isn't it????????????????
>
>
> > --
> > Robert Firth
> > http://www.winvistainfo.org
> >
> > "JethroUK©" <reply@the.board> wrote in message
> > news:ewgj8lJ#HHA.700@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> >> Despite Vista search being hailed (by Microsoft) as 'a main feature',
> >> Vista search has bugs - such that some things it simply can not find
> >>
> >> A search system that can not find 'some' things is as useless as one that
> >> can not find 'any' things
> >>
> >> Are Microsoft working around the clock to fix it? Will it be fixed by
> >> Monday? Am I the only person that thinks this renders the whole O/S close
> >> to scrap?
> >
>
>

Celegans wrote:
> "Andrew McLaren" <andrew@fakeaddress.com> wrote in message
> news:F2CDD26A-4309-4181-AB9F-6F80768180DA@microsoft.com...
>
>> "JethroUK©" <reply@the.board> wrote...
>>
>>> Despite Vista search being hailed (by Microsoft) as 'a main feature',
>>> Vista search has bugs - such that some things it simply can not find
>>> A search system that can not find 'some' things is as useless as one that
>>> can not find 'any' things
>>> Are Microsoft working around the clock to fix it? Will it be fixed by
>>> Monday? Am I the only person that thinks this renders the whole O/S close
>>> to scrap?
>>>
>> I'm inclined to agree. I have found Search in Vista to be very unreliable,
>> almost useless.
>>
>
> There's a Vista blog about "Advanced search techniques"
> http://windowsvistablog.com/blogs/wi...echniques.aspx,
> but what's "Advanced" about not being able to find some files in Vista that
> one could find in Windows 2000, 98 or 95? Oh, I forgot, Vista search is
> fast even though it's flawed. Microsoft optimized its search for speed but
> didn't care about being correct or complete.
>
> The bottom line is if you work in a multi-platform environment (like Windows
> and Linux), or have a variety of scientific or special file formats (some
> programs even create files with extensions like .001, .002, .003, ...),
> Vista file search is truly worthless since it doesn't look at "unapproved"
> file extensions. "Unapproved" file extensions will never be searched or
> indexed. Once you find out something isn't searched/indexed you then need
> to tell Windows about that file extension so it's indexed/searched. You
> have to let each file type fail (assuming you know), and then you tell
> Windows about that extension. Then you do this again and again as other
> filetypes are discovered (unless you're all knowing, but then you probably
> don't need search). This is progress? Many users will think their search
> didn't have any hits before they realize the files are really there but
> Microsoft's Vista just can't find them.
>
> Windows Vista file search is simply AWFUL, unreliable, and I don't
> understand why Microsoft isn't embarrassed enough to fix it. But when has
> Microsoft ever been embarrassed by bad software? Microsoft can provide
> several ways of doing many things I don't need or want, but it won't give me
> one 100% reliable way to do one thing I truly need: file search. I don't
> need this every day, but I might as well throw away a lot of old files on my
> Vista machine since Vista refuses to search them. The example I gave that
> failed was finding an old Bourne shell script (a .sh file) that had the word
> "uname" in it -- I had archived this file under Windows. Vista won't
> index/search .sh files without some sort of software that knows how to deal
> with them. I'm not sure why there isn't an option to treat all other files
> as ASCII (or even binary) if they have an unknown extension. Just give me
> an option that says "search all files and forget the index". Let me use the
> fast search when it makes sense, but give me a way to find ANY FILE on my PC
> when I need to.
>
> It's truly unbelievable how hard it is to get Microsoft to listen
>
> C. elegans
>
>
>
You are SO right! I just loaded Google Desktop Search last night
because of the worthlessness of Vista's lame Indexing "service".
"service"! HA! that's a misnomer, eh??

Dave

Celegans wrote:
> "Andrew McLaren" <andrew@fakeaddress.com> wrote in message
> news:F2CDD26A-4309-4181-AB9F-6F80768180DA@microsoft.com...
>
>> "JethroUK©" <reply@the.board> wrote...
>>
>>> Despite Vista search being hailed (by Microsoft) as 'a main feature',
>>> Vista search has bugs - such that some things it simply can not find
>>> A search system that can not find 'some' things is as useless as one that
>>> can not find 'any' things
>>> Are Microsoft working around the clock to fix it? Will it be fixed by
>>> Monday? Am I the only person that thinks this renders the whole O/S close
>>> to scrap?
>>>
>> I'm inclined to agree. I have found Search in Vista to be very unreliable,
>> almost useless.
>>
>
> There's a Vista blog about "Advanced search techniques"
> http://windowsvistablog.com/blogs/wi...echniques.aspx,
> but what's "Advanced" about not being able to find some files in Vista that
> one could find in Windows 2000, 98 or 95? Oh, I forgot, Vista search is
> fast even though it's flawed. Microsoft optimized its search for speed but
> didn't care about being correct or complete.
>
> The bottom line is if you work in a multi-platform environment (like Windows
> and Linux), or have a variety of scientific or special file formats (some
> programs even create files with extensions like .001, .002, .003, ...),
> Vista file search is truly worthless since it doesn't look at "unapproved"
> file extensions. "Unapproved" file extensions will never be searched or
> indexed. Once you find out something isn't searched/indexed you then need
> to tell Windows about that file extension so it's indexed/searched. You
> have to let each file type fail (assuming you know), and then you tell
> Windows about that extension. Then you do this again and again as other
> filetypes are discovered (unless you're all knowing, but then you probably
> don't need search). This is progress? Many users will think their search
> didn't have any hits before they realize the files are really there but
> Microsoft's Vista just can't find them.
>
> Windows Vista file search is simply AWFUL, unreliable, and I don't
> understand why Microsoft isn't embarrassed enough to fix it. But when has
> Microsoft ever been embarrassed by bad software? Microsoft can provide
> several ways of doing many things I don't need or want, but it won't give me
> one 100% reliable way to do one thing I truly need: file search. I don't
> need this every day, but I might as well throw away a lot of old files on my
> Vista machine since Vista refuses to search them. The example I gave that
> failed was finding an old Bourne shell script (a .sh file) that had the word
> "uname" in it -- I had archived this file under Windows. Vista won't
> index/search .sh files without some sort of software that knows how to deal
> with them. I'm not sure why there isn't an option to treat all other files
> as ASCII (or even binary) if they have an unknown extension. Just give me
> an option that says "search all files and forget the index". Let me use the
> fast search when it makes sense, but give me a way to find ANY FILE on my PC
> when I need to.
>
> It's truly unbelievable how hard it is to get Microsoft to listen
>
> C. elegans
>
>
>
You are SO right! I just loaded Google Desktop Search last night
because of the worthlessness of Vista's lame Indexing "service".
"service"! HA! that's a misnomer, eh??

Dave

Celegans wrote:
> "Andrew McLaren" <andrew@fakeaddress.com> wrote in message
> news:F2CDD26A-4309-4181-AB9F-6F80768180DA@microsoft.com...
>
>> "JethroUK©" <reply@the.board> wrote...
>>
>>> Despite Vista search being hailed (by Microsoft) as 'a main feature',
>>> Vista search has bugs - such that some things it simply can not find
>>> A search system that can not find 'some' things is as useless as one that
>>> can not find 'any' things
>>> Are Microsoft working around the clock to fix it? Will it be fixed by
>>> Monday? Am I the only person that thinks this renders the whole O/S close
>>> to scrap?
>>>
>> I'm inclined to agree. I have found Search in Vista to be very unreliable,
>> almost useless.
>>
>
> There's a Vista blog about "Advanced search techniques"
> http://windowsvistablog.com/blogs/wi...echniques.aspx,
> but what's "Advanced" about not being able to find some files in Vista that
> one could find in Windows 2000, 98 or 95? Oh, I forgot, Vista search is
> fast even though it's flawed. Microsoft optimized its search for speed but
> didn't care about being correct or complete.
>
> The bottom line is if you work in a multi-platform environment (like Windows
> and Linux), or have a variety of scientific or special file formats (some
> programs even create files with extensions like .001, .002, .003, ...),
> Vista file search is truly worthless since it doesn't look at "unapproved"
> file extensions. "Unapproved" file extensions will never be searched or
> indexed. Once you find out something isn't searched/indexed you then need
> to tell Windows about that file extension so it's indexed/searched. You
> have to let each file type fail (assuming you know), and then you tell
> Windows about that extension. Then you do this again and again as other
> filetypes are discovered (unless you're all knowing, but then you probably
> don't need search). This is progress? Many users will think their search
> didn't have any hits before they realize the files are really there but
> Microsoft's Vista just can't find them.
>
> Windows Vista file search is simply AWFUL, unreliable, and I don't
> understand why Microsoft isn't embarrassed enough to fix it. But when has
> Microsoft ever been embarrassed by bad software? Microsoft can provide
> several ways of doing many things I don't need or want, but it won't give me
> one 100% reliable way to do one thing I truly need: file search. I don't
> need this every day, but I might as well throw away a lot of old files on my
> Vista machine since Vista refuses to search them. The example I gave that
> failed was finding an old Bourne shell script (a .sh file) that had the word
> "uname" in it -- I had archived this file under Windows. Vista won't
> index/search .sh files without some sort of software that knows how to deal
> with them. I'm not sure why there isn't an option to treat all other files
> as ASCII (or even binary) if they have an unknown extension. Just give me
> an option that says "search all files and forget the index". Let me use the
> fast search when it makes sense, but give me a way to find ANY FILE on my PC
> when I need to.
>
> It's truly unbelievable how hard it is to get Microsoft to listen
>
> C. elegans
>
>
>
You are SO right! I just loaded Google Desktop Search last night
because of the worthlessness of Vista's lame Indexing "service".
"service"! HA! that's a misnomer, eh??

Dave