[url]http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver2008[/url]

Kevin;
It is unlikely Server 2008 Beta will meet the long term needs of
Windows Vista users.
As you already said, Server 2008 is a Beta.
That has several implications a few being:
1. Time limited, unlike released products, use will end at a certain
time and users will be forced to again move operating systems.
2. Beta by definition is unfinished and still in testing.
That means you can expect issues, large and small.
It also means you may have no recourse if there are issues.

You should never install Beta unless you are prepared for complete
data loss and willing to perform a Clean Installation to resolve any
issues.
While that is a bit extreme, it is what Beta users should be prepared
as it is the nature of Beta.

This applies to Beta anything from any source, not just Microsoft.

--
Jupiter Jones [MVP]
[url]http://www3.telus.net/dandemar[/url]
[url]http://www.dts-l.org[/url]


<kevpan815********.com> wrote in message
news:1F1DE677-D0BA-41A1-9F1F-C791FCA8788F@microsoft.com...[color=blue]
> [url]http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver2008[/url]
>[/color]

So with your brilliant logic, everybody move to Windows Server if they don't
like Vista, look at what it costs there slick. If they wipe out Vista and
install the Beta, many software products will not work. How about antivirus
for instance? The client version won't work. You will need the server
version which costs more money. Think with that tiny brain of yours. What
happens when the Beta expires, Just FYI. They will need to purchase a
release copy. Just FYI.


Just FYI.


Pricing on the Current Windows 2003 Server is as follows:

Windows Server 2003 R2 Pricing
Published: March 3, 2003 | Updated: April 4, 2007

This page lists pricing and licensing details for U.S. and Canadian editions
of Windows Server 2003 R2.

Estimated Retail Pricing
The Microsoft Windows Server 2003 R2 licensing model consists of a Server
operating system license and incremental Client Access Licenses (CALs) and
is designed to allow for complete scalability of your cost in relation to
your usage. In addition, Microsoft offers several flexible, cost-effective
options for licensing. Note that there are a few CAL types available to suit
your individual needs. This page provides guidance on the Windows Server
2003 R2 pricing and points you to our various licensing programs so you can
find the most cost-effective solution for your organization.

Product Offering U.S. Price* Description

Windows Server 2003 R2 Standard Edition


$999


Available in 32-bit and 64-bit versions. Includes 5 CALs (User or
Device, chosen after purchase)



Windows Server 2003 R2 Standard Edition


$1,199


Available in 32-bit and 64-bit versions. Includes 10 CALs (User or
Device, chosen after purchase)



Windows Server 2003 R2 Enterprise Edition


$3,999


Available in 32-bit and 64-bit versions. Includes 25 CALs (User or
Device, chosen after purchase)



Windows Server 2003 R2 Datacenter Edition


$2,999


Available in 32-bit and 64-bit versions.



Windows Server 2003 Web Edition, 32-bit version


$399 Open NL


Web Server product, no CALs required. Windows Server 2003 Web Edition,
is not available in all channels. Open NL estimated price is $399. Contact
your local System Builder, OEM, or reseller for actual prices or for more
information on how to purchase.

<kevpan815********.com> wrote in message
news:1F1DE677-D0BA-41A1-9F1F-C791FCA8788F@microsoft.com...[color=blue]
> [url]http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver2008[/url]
>[/color]

I have serious reservations. Two main problems:-

1. Not many programs/games designed for home users will run under Windows
Server 2008
2. There are fewer drivers available for Windows Server 2008 than there are
for Vista so hardware problems are likely to occur.

Why do you suggest it is worth a try?

Sick of Kevin posting rubbish? Just try astroglide. It slips and slides.
Just FYI. Much better than Ubuntu. Just FYI


<kevpan815********.com> wrote in message
news:1F1DE677-D0BA-41A1-9F1F-C791FCA8788F@microsoft.com...[color=blue]
> [url]http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver2008[/url]
>[/color]

"Stan Kay" <stan.kay@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
news:utGWcb%237HHA.2476@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...[color=blue]
>
> <kevpan815********.com> wrote in message
> news:1F1DE677-D0BA-41A1-9F1F-C791FCA8788F@microsoft.com...[color=green]
>> [url]http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver2008[/url]
>>[/color]
>
> I have serious reservations. Two main problems:-
>
> 1. Not many programs/games designed for home users will run under Windows
> Server 2008
> 2. There are fewer drivers available for Windows Server 2008 than there
> are for Vista so hardware problems are likely to occur.
>
> Why do you suggest it is worth a try?[/color]



Why won't the software work with Server 2008 .. doesn't it support the
WinAPI and .NET ??

Saucy

"Saucy" <saucy538347334873772.sjhdf@net.net.net> wrote in message
news:%23oR9TpN8HHA.1184@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...[color=blue]
> "Stan Kay" <stan.kay@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
> news:utGWcb%237HHA.2476@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...[color=green]
>>
>> <kevpan815********.com> wrote in message
>> news:1F1DE677-D0BA-41A1-9F1F-C791FCA8788F@microsoft.com...[color=darkred]
>>> [url]http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver2008[/url]
>>>[/color]
>>
>> I have serious reservations. Two main problems:-
>>
>> 1. Not many programs/games designed for home users will run under
>> Windows Server 2008
>> 2. There are fewer drivers available for Windows Server 2008 than there
>> are for Vista so hardware problems are likely to occur.
>>
>> Why do you suggest it is worth a try?[/color]
>
>
>
> Why won't the software work with Server 2008 .. doesn't it support the
> WinAPI and .NET ??
>[/color]
Read my Lips - The software is BETA. Do you want me to spell it to you?
B......E......T.......A......
Lots of stuff doesn't work with Beta.

Look at Vista - It's still BETA

[color=blue]
> Saucy[/color]

"Ezmerelda Marty Kleindorf" <emk@dorfknob.com> wrote in message
news:%23hxTF2O8HHA.5712@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...[color=blue]
>
> "Saucy" <saucy538347334873772.sjhdf@net.net.net> wrote in message
> news:%23oR9TpN8HHA.1184@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...[color=green]
>> "Stan Kay" <stan.kay@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
>> news:utGWcb%237HHA.2476@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...[color=darkred]
>>>
>>> <kevpan815********.com> wrote in message
>>> news:1F1DE677-D0BA-41A1-9F1F-C791FCA8788F@microsoft.com...
>>>> [url]http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver2008[/url]
>>>>
>>>
>>> I have serious reservations. Two main problems:-
>>>
>>> 1. Not many programs/games designed for home users will run under
>>> Windows Server 2008
>>> 2. There are fewer drivers available for Windows Server 2008 than there
>>> are for Vista so hardware problems are likely to occur.
>>>
>>> Why do you suggest it is worth a try?[/color]
>>
>>
>>
>> Why won't the software work with Server 2008 .. doesn't it support the
>> WinAPI and .NET ??
>>[/color]
> Read my Lips - The software is BETA. Do you want me to spell it to you?
> B......E......T.......A......
> Lots of stuff doesn't work with Beta.
>
> Look at Vista - It's still BETA
>
>[color=green]
>> Saucy[/color]
>
>[/color]


That didn't answer my question. I specifically asked about WinAPI and .NET
and whether they are/will be supported on Server 2008.

Saucy

For the best answers to your server questions, you should ask them in
the server newsgroups.

--
Jupiter Jones [MVP]
[url]http://www3.telus.net/dandemar[/url]
[url]http://www.dts-l.org[/url]


"Saucy" <saucy538347334873772.sjhdf@net.net.net> wrote in message
news:ugo21EP8HHA.2752@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...[color=blue]
> That didn't answer my question. I specifically asked about WinAPI
> and .NET and whether they are/will be supported on Server 2008.
>
> Saucy[/color]

Saucy,

You quite rightly identify that if a program is written in full compliance
with windows API's (or .NET) then it ought to work. But, of course, not all
programs were written with Vista in mind. However, the point here is that
many programs won't work on Server 2008 and, so soon into it's development
(it is still in beta) there are not many drivers available - especially
drivers for devices aimed at the home/games market.

So, my question remains. Exactly what convinced [email]kevpan815********.com[/email] to
suggest trying out Windows Server 2008?

"Saucy" <saucy538347334873772.sjhdf@net.net.net> wrote in message
news:%23oR9TpN8HHA.1184@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...[color=blue]
> "Stan Kay" <stan.kay@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
> news:utGWcb%237HHA.2476@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...[color=green]
>>
>> <kevpan815********.com> wrote in message
>> news:1F1DE677-D0BA-41A1-9F1F-C791FCA8788F@microsoft.com...[color=darkred]
>>> [url]http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver2008[/url]
>>>[/color]
>>
>> I have serious reservations. Two main problems:-
>>
>> 1. Not many programs/games designed for home users will run under
>> Windows Server 2008
>> 2. There are fewer drivers available for Windows Server 2008 than there
>> are for Vista so hardware problems are likely to occur.
>>
>> Why do you suggest it is worth a try?[/color]
>
>
>
> Why won't the software work with Server 2008 .. doesn't it support the
> WinAPI and .NET ??
>
> Saucy[/color]

Saucy,

You quite rightly identify that if a program is written in full compliance
with windows API's (or .NET) then it ought to work. But, of course, not all
programs were written with Vista in mind let alone Server 2008. However,
the point here is that
many programs won't work on Server 2008 and, so soon into it's development
(it is still in beta) there are not many drivers available - especially
drivers for devices aimed at the home/games market.

So, my question remains. Exactly what convinced [email]kevpan815********.com[/email] to
suggest trying out Windows Server 2008 as an alternative to Vista?

"Saucy" <saucy538347334873772.sjhdf@net.net.net> wrote in message
news:%23oR9TpN8HHA.1184@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...[color=blue]
> "Stan Kay" <stan.kay@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
> news:utGWcb%237HHA.2476@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...[color=green]
>>
>> <kevpan815********.com> wrote in message
>> news:1F1DE677-D0BA-41A1-9F1F-C791FCA8788F@microsoft.com...[color=darkred]
>>> [url]http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver2008[/url]
>>>[/color]
>>
>> I have serious reservations. Two main problems:-
>>
>> 1. Not many programs/games designed for home users will run under
>> Windows Server 2008
>> 2. There are fewer drivers available for Windows Server 2008 than there
>> are for Vista so hardware problems are likely to occur.
>>
>> Why do you suggest it is worth a try?[/color]
>
>
>
> Why won't the software work with Server 2008 .. doesn't it support the
> WinAPI and .NET ??
>
> Saucy[/color]

Sorry for my duplicate send error.


"Stan Kay" <stan.kay@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
news:OMEx7fT8HHA.4880@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...[color=blue]
> Saucy,
>
> You quite rightly identify that if a program is written in full compliance
> with windows API's (or .NET) then it ought to work. But, of course, not
> all programs were written with Vista in mind. However, the point here is
> that many programs won't work on Server 2008 and, so soon into it's
> development (it is still in beta) there are not many drivers available -
> especially drivers for devices aimed at the home/games market.
>
> So, my question remains. Exactly what convinced [email]kevpan815********.com[/email] to
> suggest trying out Windows Server 2008?
>
> "Saucy" <saucy538347334873772.sjhdf@net.net.net> wrote in message
> news:%23oR9TpN8HHA.1184@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...[color=green]
>> "Stan Kay" <stan.kay@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
>> news:utGWcb%237HHA.2476@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...[color=darkred]
>>>
>>> <kevpan815********.com> wrote in message
>>> news:1F1DE677-D0BA-41A1-9F1F-C791FCA8788F@microsoft.com...
>>>> [url]http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver2008[/url]
>>>>
>>>
>>> I have serious reservations. Two main problems:-
>>>
>>> 1. Not many programs/games designed for home users will run under
>>> Windows Server 2008
>>> 2. There are fewer drivers available for Windows Server 2008 than there
>>> are for Vista so hardware problems are likely to occur.
>>>
>>> Why do you suggest it is worth a try?[/color]
>>
>>
>>
>> Why won't the software work with Server 2008 .. doesn't it support the
>> WinAPI and .NET ??
>>
>> Saucy[/color]
>[/color]

You need to ask? It's Kevin :-)


"Stan Kay" <stan.kay@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
news:O9vE8fT8HHA.4880@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...[color=blue]
> Saucy,
>
> You quite rightly identify that if a program is written in full compliance
> with windows API's (or .NET) then it ought to work. But, of course, not
> all
> programs were written with Vista in mind let alone Server 2008. However,
> the point here is that
> many programs won't work on Server 2008 and, so soon into it's development
> (it is still in beta) there are not many drivers available - especially
> drivers for devices aimed at the home/games market.
>
> So, my question remains. Exactly what convinced [email]kevpan815********.com[/email] to
> suggest trying out Windows Server 2008 as an alternative to Vista?
>
> "Saucy" <saucy538347334873772.sjhdf@net.net.net> wrote in message
> news:%23oR9TpN8HHA.1184@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...[color=green]
>> "Stan Kay" <stan.kay@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
>> news:utGWcb%237HHA.2476@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...[color=darkred]
>>>
>>> <kevpan815********.com> wrote in message
>>> news:1F1DE677-D0BA-41A1-9F1F-C791FCA8788F@microsoft.com...
>>>> [url]http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver2008[/url]
>>>>
>>>
>>> I have serious reservations. Two main problems:-
>>>
>>> 1. Not many programs/games designed for home users will run under
>>> Windows Server 2008
>>> 2. There are fewer drivers available for Windows Server 2008 than there
>>> are for Vista so hardware problems are likely to occur.
>>>
>>> Why do you suggest it is worth a try?[/color]
>>
>>
>>
>> Why won't the software work with Server 2008 .. doesn't it support the
>> WinAPI and .NET ??
>>
>> Saucy[/color]
>[/color]

We have been testing Windows Server 2008 since April 2007 on multiple
hardware platforms including Dell PowerEdge SC440, 800, 1800, 1900 and
2900 computers and a specially constructed computer that is based on the
Intel D975XBX2 motherboard. Server 2008 installs and functions on these
platforms with no problems. Driver support is available for all the
on-board modules and for all of the add-on boards that we use including
SIIG SATA controllers, RME HSDP 9632 sound boards, the GeForce 7600GT
video adapter that is used with the Intel motherboard and the Matrox
P650 and Parhelia 256 PCI video boards that are used with the PowerEdge
hardware. (PowerEdge cannot use PCIe graphics boards because the PCIe
sockets are 8 rather than 16 lane mechanical as is required by all
current PCIe graphics cards).
Server 2008 is beta, but it is still the most stable operating system
that we have used. Windows Server 2003, which we use for production
purposes, is pretty stable, but Server 2008 is even more reliable. We
have not had a single BSOD since April 2007.
There are about 50 programs that we utilize on a regular basis. These
include a number of widely used programs, for example: Adobe Reader and
Photoshop, Microsoft Office, SQL Server, and Visual Studio; Internet
Explorer and Sea Monkey; Intuit's Quicken and QuickBooks; Samplitude and
Dragon NaturallySpeaking.
Some application program versions are incompatible with Server 2008, but
we have not encountered a single commonly used program the current
version of which does not run properly on Server.
Extensive testing has clearly demonstrated that Windows Server 2008 is
an ultra stable operating system and that compatible drivers and
application programs are readily available.

"Stan Kay" <stan.kay@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
news:OMEx7fT8HHA.4880@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...[color=blue]
> Saucy,
>
> You quite rightly identify that if a program is written in full compliance
> with windows API's (or .NET) then it ought to work. But, of course, not
> all programs were written with Vista in mind. However, the point here is
> that many programs won't work on Server 2008 and, so soon into it's
> development (it is still in beta) there are not many drivers available -
> especially drivers for devices aimed at the home/games market.
>
> So, my question remains. Exactly what convinced [email]kevpan815********.com[/email] to
> suggest trying out Windows Server 2008?[/color]

Kevin is just talking out of his hat. He sees a beta product, wants to try
it. If it looks good, he tells the world to ditch Vista and install what
he's been playing with. When he found Ubuntu, he ranted for days how he was
going to be the Ubuntu guru and spread the word. I guess when he figured
out that it wasn't just fun and games, he ditched it and moved on.

Just FYI :-)
[color=blue]
>
> "Saucy" <saucy538347334873772.sjhdf@net.net.net> wrote in message
> news:%23oR9TpN8HHA.1184@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...[color=green]
>> "Stan Kay" <stan.kay@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
>> news:utGWcb%237HHA.2476@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...[color=darkred]
>>>
>>> <kevpan815********.com> wrote in message
>>> news:1F1DE677-D0BA-41A1-9F1F-C791FCA8788F@microsoft.com...
>>>> [url]http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver2008[/url]
>>>>
>>>
>>> I have serious reservations. Two main problems:-
>>>
>>> 1. Not many programs/games designed for home users will run under
>>> Windows Server 2008
>>> 2. There are fewer drivers available for Windows Server 2008 than there
>>> are for Vista so hardware problems are likely to occur.
>>>
>>> Why do you suggest it is worth a try?[/color]
>>
>>
>>
>> Why won't the software work with Server 2008 .. doesn't it support the
>> WinAPI and .NET ??
>>
>> Saucy[/color]
>[/color]