"Saucy" <e9fd5gegbvc56y.bjtr5b@grdhtbis958t8j54j.net> wrote in message
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> Andy: My SONY Handycam does do USB streaming with Vista, but I dumped USB
> in favour of Firewire .. the picture quality is much better with Firewire.
> If you can, pop for Firewire .. you will like the results. Vista, BTW,
> handles the SONY really well here .. I didn't even install the SONY
> software.
>
> Saucy


Just so it is clear, firewire per se has absolutely nothing at all to do
with picture quality. If the camera, on the other hand, streams with
different compression for USB vs. firewire, there can be a difference. When
will the world learn that bits are simply bits? Maybe you want a monster
cable firewire cable to get an even better picture?

"vista terminal ator" <-> wrote in message
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> Sheep of sheeple are you....
>
> non brained and drained ... unimaginative and dull

I have not read a more unimaginative and dull brain-drained post.

"Telstar" <none@none> wrote in message
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>
> "Saucy" <e9fd5gegbvc56y.bjtr5b@grdhtbis958t8j54j.net> wrote in message
> news:uWd114a7HHA.3624@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> > Andy: My SONY Handycam does do USB streaming with Vista, but I dumped
USB
> > in favour of Firewire .. the picture quality is much better with
Firewire.
> > If you can, pop for Firewire .. you will like the results. Vista, BTW,
> > handles the SONY really well here .. I didn't even install the SONY
> > software.
> >
> > Saucy
>
>
> Just so it is clear, firewire per se has absolutely nothing at all to do
> with picture quality. If the camera, on the other hand, streams with
> different compression for USB vs. firewire, there can be a difference.
When
> will the world learn that bits are simply bits? Maybe you want a monster
> cable firewire cable to get an even better picture?
>
>

I think I can get 640x480 resolution when I hook up my Sony camcorder by USB
in winxp - I don't know what the highest resolution its if I hook it up by
firewire - I always thought that it was that movies transfer better by
firewire because of the speed of the firewire connection?

Andy.

> I have not read a more unimaginative and dull brain-drained post.

so you posted your reply without reading it?


"Telstar" <none@none> wrote in message
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>
> "vista terminal ator" <-> wrote in message
> news:46db5a08@newsgate.x-privat.org...
>> Sheep of sheeple are you....
>>
>> non brained and drained ... unimaginative and dull
>
> I have not read a more unimaginative and dull brain-drained post.
>
>

"Andy" <andy@indigo.ie> wrote in message
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>
> "Telstar" <none@none> wrote in message
> news:uLnrric7HHA.1164@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>
>> "Saucy" <e9fd5gegbvc56y.bjtr5b@grdhtbis958t8j54j.net> wrote in message
>> news:uWd114a7HHA.3624@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>> > Andy: My SONY Handycam does do USB streaming with Vista, but I dumped
> USB
>> > in favour of Firewire .. the picture quality is much better with
> Firewire.
>> > If you can, pop for Firewire .. you will like the results. Vista, BTW,
>> > handles the SONY really well here .. I didn't even install the SONY
>> > software.
>> >
>> > Saucy
>>
>>
>> Just so it is clear, firewire per se has absolutely nothing at all to do
>> with picture quality. If the camera, on the other hand, streams with
>> different compression for USB vs. firewire, there can be a difference.
> When
>> will the world learn that bits are simply bits? Maybe you want a monster
>> cable firewire cable to get an even better picture?
>>
>>
>
> I think I can get 640x480 resolution when I hook up my Sony camcorder by
> USB
> in winxp - I don't know what the highest resolution its if I hook it up by
> firewire - I always thought that it was that movies transfer better by
> firewire because of the speed of the firewire connection?
>
> Andy.
>
>
>

WRONG.

vista terminal ator wrote:

> no.. the beta testers gave great feedback.. but the vista team had their
> ears closed and went along and did whatever was inside their perverted
> little sick brains>>>
>
> VISTA
>
> You know the image with the 3 monkeys, do not hear, see or speak? Thats the
> vista team.
>
>
>
> "Andy" <andy@indigo.ie> wrote in message
> news:fbfmpo$e83$1@news.datemas.de...
>
>>"vista terminal ator" <-> wrote in message
>>news:46db5cbb@newsgate.x-privat.org...
>>
>>>its the vista team that blundered.. MS is so huge its like a small
>>>country
>>>with thousands upon thousands of programmers....
>>>
>>>Its not even Bill Gates fault.. although he should have given better
>>>guidence...
>>>
>>>
>>
>>Can we blame the people who got a chance to test the beta versions as
>>well?
>>
>>Andy.
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
Are you guys in love or what?
Get a motel room for pete's sake, ok?
Frank

On Sun, 02 Sep 2007 20:19:10 -0700, Frank <fb@nospan.crm> wrote:


>Are you guys in love or what?
>Get a motel room for pete's sake, ok?
>Frank

Frank's long time lover gives him the finger, because even monkeys
know Frank is nothing but a putz and a lousy lay besides.

http://www.nworbcire.com/ape-fingers.jpg

Babies too give Frank the finger:

http://2.content.collegehumor.com/d1...d7d83e837a.jpg

So does Johnny:

http://www.penmachine.com/images/cashfinger-big.jpg

Even Bush:

http://www.avalon5.com/images/bushfinger.jpg

Women give Frank the finger if he gets within 50 feet of them:

http://paparazzithis.files.wordpress...ly-finger3.jpg

People Frank meets in bars:

http://www.beerpongguru.com/vegas/an...the-finger.jpg


Yes, Frankie, even Big Bird hates your guts:

http://www.waynebesen.com/Big%20Bird.jpg

Adam Albright wrote:
> On Sun, 02 Sep 2007 20:19:10 -0700, Frank <fb@nospan.crm> wrote:
>
>
>
>>Are you guys in love or what?
>>Get a motel room for pete's sake, ok?
>>Frank
>
>
> Frank's long time lover gives him the finger, because even monkeys
> know Frank is nothing but a putz and a lousy lay besides.
>
> http://www.nworbcire.com/ape-fingers.jpg
>
> Babies too give Frank the finger:
>
> http://2.content.collegehumor.com/d1...d7d83e837a.jpg
>
> So does Johnny:
>
> http://www.penmachine.com/images/cashfinger-big.jpg
>
> Even Bush:
>
> http://www.avalon5.com/images/bushfinger.jpg
>
> Women give Frank the finger if he gets within 50 feet of them:
>
> http://paparazzithis.files.wordpress...ly-finger3.jpg
>
> People Frank meets in bars:
>
> http://www.beerpongguru.com/vegas/an...the-finger.jpg
>
>
> Yes, Frankie, even Big Bird hates your guts:
>
> http://www.waynebesen.com/Big%20Bird.jpg
>
>
Posting your entire family huh?
You drunk again?
How frightful!
Frank

"Andy" <andy@indigo.ie> wrote in message
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> I think if I see a company that brings out new vista drivers in a timely
> fashion that would mean a lot to me next time I go out shopping for a new
> PC
> component/peripheral and would stick with that company - if however a
> company said that they are not bringing out vista drivers for their
> existing
> products (even though the item is not right out of date!) then I will stay
> clear of that companies product and wont buy from them again. That's the
> way
> I would play it anyway.
>
> The companies that are not supporting their existing products (even if
> they
> are out of warranty) why should I bother to give them my business again

Sony are relying on M$.. the firewire DV interface is the same on most DV
cameras and M$ have supplied a driver to support it in Vista.

Sony know their DV cameras will work using this and can't be bothered to
write a USB driver for each model as they are all different.
They also know that most people will be using firewire as it gives much
better quality of video.. it is doubtful that USB2 could stream full
resolution DV.

I don't see why you have a problem adding a firewire card to your PC.. I
know you only have two free PCI slots but there aren't many PCI cards to fit
these days.. nearly everything is available in USB2. Unless you actually
have some PCI cards you want to fit I think you are just making the problem
yourself.

"Andy" <andy@indigo.ie> wrote in message
news:fbfo4d$hvm$1@news.datemas.de...

> I think I can get 640x480 resolution when I hook up my Sony camcorder by
> USB
> in winxp - I don't know what the highest resolution its if I hook it up by
> firewire - I always thought that it was that movies transfer better by
> firewire because of the speed of the firewire connection?

When you connect using firewire you transfer DV (720x576 for PAL IIRC, about
10Gbytes per hour or about 75% of USB2s bandwidth).

USB2 transfers tend to be compressed video and a lower resolution (except in
the USA where 640x480 is better than broadcast).
Its not that USB 2 can't do DV its just that it can't on many PCs while most
can do DV over firewire (I even did it using an old 486 machine).

Of course if you have a mpeg camera things are different as the bit rates
are much lower (20-30 times lower).

"dennis@home" <dennis@killspam.kicks-ass.net> wrote in message
news:518E8865-E3FC-4A67-A5F9-CD4BF575DFA2@microsoft.com...
>
> "Andy" <andy@indigo.ie> wrote in message
> news:fbff8f$ofd$1@news.datemas.de...
>
> > I think if I see a company that brings out new vista drivers in a timely
> > fashion that would mean a lot to me next time I go out shopping for a
new
> > PC
> > component/peripheral and would stick with that company - if however a
> > company said that they are not bringing out vista drivers for their
> > existing
> > products (even though the item is not right out of date!) then I will
stay
> > clear of that companies product and wont buy from them again. That's the
> > way
> > I would play it anyway.
> >
> > The companies that are not supporting their existing products (even if
> > they
> > are out of warranty) why should I bother to give them my business again
>
> Sony are relying on M$.. the firewire DV interface is the same on most DV
> cameras and M$ have supplied a driver to support it in Vista.
>
> Sony know their DV cameras will work using this and can't be bothered to
> write a USB driver for each model as they are all different.
> They also know that most people will be using firewire as it gives much
> better quality of video.. it is doubtful that USB2 could stream full
> resolution DV.
>
> I don't see why you have a problem adding a firewire card to your PC.. I
> know you only have two free PCI slots but there aren't many PCI cards to
fit
> these days.. nearly everything is available in USB2. Unless you actually
> have some PCI cards you want to fit I think you are just making the
problem
> yourself.
>

I have a TV card I want to put in one PCI slot, and a 56k dialup modem in
the other - that leaves me with no slot for the firewire card :-(

why have Sony in the first place decided to put USB streaming on some of
their cameras if they think everyone will use firewire?

Andy.

External serial port modem

"Andy" <andy@indigo.ie> wrote in message
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>
> "dennis@home" <dennis@killspam.kicks-ass.net> wrote in message
> news:518E8865-E3FC-4A67-A5F9-CD4BF575DFA2@microsoft.com...
>>
>> "Andy" <andy@indigo.ie> wrote in message
>> news:fbff8f$ofd$1@news.datemas.de...
>>
>> > I think if I see a company that brings out new vista drivers in a
>> > timely
>> > fashion that would mean a lot to me next time I go out shopping for a
> new
>> > PC
>> > component/peripheral and would stick with that company - if however a
>> > company said that they are not bringing out vista drivers for their
>> > existing
>> > products (even though the item is not right out of date!) then I will
> stay
>> > clear of that companies product and wont buy from them again. That's
>> > the
>> > way
>> > I would play it anyway.
>> >
>> > The companies that are not supporting their existing products (even if
>> > they
>> > are out of warranty) why should I bother to give them my business again
>>
>> Sony are relying on M$.. the firewire DV interface is the same on most DV
>> cameras and M$ have supplied a driver to support it in Vista.
>>
>> Sony know their DV cameras will work using this and can't be bothered to
>> write a USB driver for each model as they are all different.
>> They also know that most people will be using firewire as it gives much
>> better quality of video.. it is doubtful that USB2 could stream full
>> resolution DV.
>>
>> I don't see why you have a problem adding a firewire card to your PC.. I
>> know you only have two free PCI slots but there aren't many PCI cards to
> fit
>> these days.. nearly everything is available in USB2. Unless you actually
>> have some PCI cards you want to fit I think you are just making the
> problem
>> yourself.
>>
>
> I have a TV card I want to put in one PCI slot, and a 56k dialup modem in
> the other - that leaves me with no slot for the firewire card :-(
>
> why have Sony in the first place decided to put USB streaming on some of
> their cameras if they think everyone will use firewire?
>
> Andy.
>
>
>

"KickinChicken" <KickinChicken@home.soon> wrote in message
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> External serial port modem
>

I would have to go and buy one then - why would I do that when I have a
working PCI modem? - anyway I would get a USB modem if that was the case, I
suppose I can do that as a last resort.

Andy.

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> "Andy" <andy@indigo.ie> wrote in message
> news:fbh0ch$67i$1@news.datemas.de...
> >
> > "dennis@home" <dennis@killspam.kicks-ass.net> wrote in message
> > news:518E8865-E3FC-4A67-A5F9-CD4BF575DFA2@microsoft.com...
> >>
> >> "Andy" <andy@indigo.ie> wrote in message
> >> news:fbff8f$ofd$1@news.datemas.de...
> >>
> >> > I think if I see a company that brings out new vista drivers in a
> >> > timely
> >> > fashion that would mean a lot to me next time I go out shopping for a
> > new
> >> > PC
> >> > component/peripheral and would stick with that company - if however a
> >> > company said that they are not bringing out vista drivers for their
> >> > existing
> >> > products (even though the item is not right out of date!) then I will
> > stay
> >> > clear of that companies product and wont buy from them again. That's
> >> > the
> >> > way
> >> > I would play it anyway.
> >> >
> >> > The companies that are not supporting their existing products (even
if
> >> > they
> >> > are out of warranty) why should I bother to give them my business
again
> >>
> >> Sony are relying on M$.. the firewire DV interface is the same on most
DV
> >> cameras and M$ have supplied a driver to support it in Vista.
> >>
> >> Sony know their DV cameras will work using this and can't be bothered
to
> >> write a USB driver for each model as they are all different.
> >> They also know that most people will be using firewire as it gives much
> >> better quality of video.. it is doubtful that USB2 could stream full
> >> resolution DV.
> >>
> >> I don't see why you have a problem adding a firewire card to your PC..
I
> >> know you only have two free PCI slots but there aren't many PCI cards
to
> > fit
> >> these days.. nearly everything is available in USB2. Unless you
actually
> >> have some PCI cards you want to fit I think you are just making the
> > problem
> >> yourself.
> >>
> >
> > I have a TV card I want to put in one PCI slot, and a 56k dialup modem
in
> > the other - that leaves me with no slot for the firewire card :-(
> >
> > why have Sony in the first place decided to put USB streaming on some of
> > their cameras if they think everyone will use firewire?
> >
> > Andy.
> >
> >
> >
>

"Andy" <andy@indigo.ie> wrote in message
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>
> "dennis@home" <dennis@killspam.kicks-ass.net> wrote in message
> news:518E8865-E3FC-4A67-A5F9-CD4BF575DFA2@microsoft.com...
>>
>> "Andy" <andy@indigo.ie> wrote in message
>> news:fbff8f$ofd$1@news.datemas.de...
>>
>> > I think if I see a company that brings out new vista drivers in a
>> > timely
>> > fashion that would mean a lot to me next time I go out shopping for a
> new
>> > PC
>> > component/peripheral and would stick with that company - if however a
>> > company said that they are not bringing out vista drivers for their
>> > existing
>> > products (even though the item is not right out of date!) then I will
> stay
>> > clear of that companies product and wont buy from them again. That's
>> > the
>> > way
>> > I would play it anyway.
>> >
>> > The companies that are not supporting their existing products (even if
>> > they
>> > are out of warranty) why should I bother to give them my business again
>>
>> Sony are relying on M$.. the firewire DV interface is the same on most DV
>> cameras and M$ have supplied a driver to support it in Vista.
>>
>> Sony know their DV cameras will work using this and can't be bothered to
>> write a USB driver for each model as they are all different.
>> They also know that most people will be using firewire as it gives much
>> better quality of video.. it is doubtful that USB2 could stream full
>> resolution DV.
>>
>> I don't see why you have a problem adding a firewire card to your PC.. I
>> know you only have two free PCI slots but there aren't many PCI cards to
> fit
>> these days.. nearly everything is available in USB2. Unless you actually
>> have some PCI cards you want to fit I think you are just making the
> problem
>> yourself.
>>
>
> I have a TV card I want to put in one PCI slot, and a 56k dialup modem in
> the other - that leaves me with no slot for the firewire card :-(

USB modems work fine.

>
> why have Sony in the first place decided to put USB streaming on some of
> their cameras if they think everyone will use firewire?

Because it sells their cameras..
Someone (you?) will buy them because it has more features than another.

USB streaming isn't an essential feature if you have a firewire interface to
use.
Firewire is good enough that I can capture video to a firewire disk strung
in series on the same firewire port.

Andy wrote:
> "KickinChicken" <KickinChicken@home.soon> wrote in message
> news:eVGSksi7HHA.4348@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>> External serial port modem
>>
>
> I would have to go and buy one then - why would I do that when I have a
> working PCI modem? - anyway I would get a USB modem if that was the case, I
> suppose I can do that as a last resort.
>
> Andy.

Creative makes a good one.

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