Andy

From a consumer point of view, it is not good, but companies have to
generate cash to produce new and hopefully better products, for which they
have to fund R&D, and they are not going to do that on the back of $2
patches..


"Andy" <andy@indigo.ie> wrote in message
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>
> "Mike Hall - MVP" <mikehall@mvps.org> wrote in message
> news:#JKRJDa7HHA.464@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>> Andy
>>
>> Hardware is supported and software is supported, but it may not be what
> you
>> have already..
>>
>> The hardware manufacturers have plenty of time to get their act together,
>> but they choose to drop older products lines when a new OS is introduced.
>> Having to use a new printer, scanner or whatever may not make your life
> any
>> better, and it will surely hit your pocket, but what hits your pocket
> makes
>> the hardware manufacturers accountants extremely happy, and what makes
> them
>> happy makes the production staff happy because they get to keep their
> jobs..
>>
>> The same applies to software houses..
>>
>>
>
> so what of the manufacturers who are bring out vista drivers for their
> existing products are we to be eternally grateful to them and if its the
> case that they want to sell new products then what are the ones (that are)
> bothering to produce vista drivers / patches for then?
>
> Do you know what that if some of these manufacturers got their acts
> together
> and decide its not worth their while bringing out drivers and patches for
> free for vista but instead charged people a small reasonable fee for a
> vista
> driver or patch or updated software to work with vista then I think people
> would go for it rather than having to go out and buy new hardware and also
> then this kind of thing will give the manufacturers incentive to produce
> new
> drivers rather than if they have to give them out for free so everyone
> should then be happy all round.
>
> You imagine that if you are a kind of person that hates to chuck anything
> out unless it is broken but you are told 'sorry there are no vista drivers
> for your product and there is no plans to bring out vista drivers for your
> product' and the product will only work on XP but you are told to go out
> and
> replace that product even though it may be working perfectly and you are
> used to using it and you cannot find a similar quality of product you are
> replacing - its not ideal way of doing things is it?
>
> Andy.
>
>
>

--


Mike Hall
MS MVP Windows Shell/User
http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/

"Saucy" <e9fd5gegbvc56y.bjtr5b@grdhtbis958t8j54j.net> wrote in message
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> Andy: My SONY Handycam does do USB streaming with Vista, but I dumped USB
in
> favour of Firewire .. the picture quality is much better with Firewire. If
> you can, pop for Firewire .. you will like the results. Vista, BTW,
handles
> the SONY really well here .. I didn't even install the SONY software.
>
> Saucy
>
>

I am glad it worked for you mine just asked for a driver and woudnt accept
the Sony USB driver off the disk or the one downloaded from the Sony website
and even Sony wrote back and said USB streaming from Sony camcorder don't
work in vista.

I personally on XP have had good results with the USB streaming and with
capturing still this way off the camcorder too and I used the Sony in XP as
a webcam as well with the USB streaming, but as I say I could not get it to
work with my vista here.

Andy.

But goodwill is also a consideration and I, for one, won't support companies
who won't provide reasonable support for their products. I stopped using
several brands when they wouldn't support XP64. Same would go for Vista
except that all my XP64 hardware is supported in Vista64

"Mike Hall - MVP" <mikehall@mvps.org> wrote in message
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> Andy
>
> From a consumer point of view, it is not good, but companies have to
> generate cash to produce new and hopefully better products, for which they
> have to fund R&D, and they are not going to do that on the back of $2
> patches..
>
>
> "Andy" <andy@indigo.ie> wrote in message
> news:fbf9ts$7v7$1@news.datemas.de...
>>
>> "Mike Hall - MVP" <mikehall@mvps.org> wrote in message
>> news:#JKRJDa7HHA.464@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>> Andy
>>>
>>> Hardware is supported and software is supported, but it may not be what
>> you
>>> have already..
>>>
>>> The hardware manufacturers have plenty of time to get their act
>>> together,
>>> but they choose to drop older products lines when a new OS is
>>> introduced.
>>> Having to use a new printer, scanner or whatever may not make your life
>> any
>>> better, and it will surely hit your pocket, but what hits your pocket
>> makes
>>> the hardware manufacturers accountants extremely happy, and what makes
>> them
>>> happy makes the production staff happy because they get to keep their
>> jobs..
>>>
>>> The same applies to software houses..
>>>
>>>
>>
>> so what of the manufacturers who are bring out vista drivers for their
>> existing products are we to be eternally grateful to them and if its the
>> case that they want to sell new products then what are the ones (that
>> are)
>> bothering to produce vista drivers / patches for then?
>>
>> Do you know what that if some of these manufacturers got their acts
>> together
>> and decide its not worth their while bringing out drivers and patches for
>> free for vista but instead charged people a small reasonable fee for a
>> vista
>> driver or patch or updated software to work with vista then I think
>> people
>> would go for it rather than having to go out and buy new hardware and
>> also
>> then this kind of thing will give the manufacturers incentive to produce
>> new
>> drivers rather than if they have to give them out for free so everyone
>> should then be happy all round.
>>
>> You imagine that if you are a kind of person that hates to chuck anything
>> out unless it is broken but you are told 'sorry there are no vista
>> drivers
>> for your product and there is no plans to bring out vista drivers for
>> your
>> product' and the product will only work on XP but you are told to go out
>> and
>> replace that product even though it may be working perfectly and you are
>> used to using it and you cannot find a similar quality of product you are
>> replacing - its not ideal way of doing things is it?
>>
>> Andy.
>>
>>
>>
>
> --
>
>
> Mike Hall
> MS MVP Windows Shell/User
> http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/
>
>
>

Have you tried Firewire? Here the picture quality of the captures went
decidedly up.

Saucy


"Andy" <andy@indigo.ie> wrote in message
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>
> "Saucy" <e9fd5gegbvc56y.bjtr5b@grdhtbis958t8j54j.net> wrote in message
> news:uWd114a7HHA.3624@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>> Andy: My SONY Handycam does do USB streaming with Vista, but I dumped USB
> in
>> favour of Firewire .. the picture quality is much better with Firewire.
>> If
>> you can, pop for Firewire .. you will like the results. Vista, BTW,
> handles
>> the SONY really well here .. I didn't even install the SONY software.
>>
>> Saucy
>>
>>
>
> I am glad it worked for you mine just asked for a driver and woudnt accept
> the Sony USB driver off the disk or the one downloaded from the Sony
> website
> and even Sony wrote back and said USB streaming from Sony camcorder don't
> work in vista.
>
> I personally on XP have had good results with the USB streaming and with
> capturing still this way off the camcorder too and I used the Sony in XP
> as
> a webcam as well with the USB streaming, but as I say I could not get it
> to
> work with my vista here.
>
> Andy.
>
>
>

"John Barnes" <jbarnes@email.net> wrote in message
news:uSittLb7HHA.5164@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> But goodwill is also a consideration and I, for one, won't support
companies
> who won't provide reasonable support for their products. I stopped using
> several brands when they wouldn't support XP64. Same would go for Vista
> except that all my XP64 hardware is supported in Vista64
>
> "Mike Hall - MVP" <mikehall@mvps.org> wrote in message
> news:%23EsmV$a7HHA.464@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> > Andy
> >
> > From a consumer point of view, it is not good, but companies have to
> > generate cash to produce new and hopefully better products, for which
they
> > have to fund R&D, and they are not going to do that on the back of $2
> > patches..
> >

I think if I see a company that brings out new vista drivers in a timely
fashion that would mean a lot to me next time I go out shopping for a new PC
component/peripheral and would stick with that company - if however a
company said that they are not bringing out vista drivers for their existing
products (even though the item is not right out of date!) then I will stay
clear of that companies product and wont buy from them again. That's the way
I would play it anyway.

The companies that are not supporting their existing products (even if they
are out of warranty) why should I bother to give them my business again

Andy.

"Saucy" <e9fd5gegbvc56y.bjtr5b@grdhtbis958t8j54j.net> wrote in message
news:uG6X0Qb7HHA.5160@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> Have you tried Firewire? Here the picture quality of the captures went
> decidedly up.
>
> Saucy
>

Yes I have firewire PCI card in my old PC (running XP) but a lot of the
time I used to hook up the Sony handycam camcorder by USB and got on fine
with it - my new PC only has a measly 2 PCI sockets and I am expected to use
one of them up now with a PCI firewire card if I want to use my Sony
camcorder with vista.

I am not into writing code or software or drivers or anything like that but
honestly how much would it cost Sony's developers to write a USB streaming
camcorder driver to work with vista, not that much surely?

Andy.

Agreed, especially since they seem to highlight their line of computers
being so 'multi-media' etc. etc. you'd think they's have all their drivers
ready. Oh well, you have to go with what works for you and if XP is what you
like ..

I first tried my Handycam with USB and had to install the SONY software for
the USB to work on Vista because Vista didn't work with the Handycam without
them [and I really did not like the SONY software]. However, with the
Firewire connection, Vista recognizes the cam and everything works with no
SONY software whatsoever .. go figure, eh?

Anyway, have a nice weekend sir.

Saucy


"Andy" <andy@indigo.ie> wrote in message
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>
> "Saucy" <e9fd5gegbvc56y.bjtr5b@grdhtbis958t8j54j.net> wrote in message
> news:uG6X0Qb7HHA.5160@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>> Have you tried Firewire? Here the picture quality of the captures went
>> decidedly up.
>>
>> Saucy
>>
>
> Yes I have firewire PCI card in my old PC (running XP) but a lot of the
> time I used to hook up the Sony handycam camcorder by USB and got on fine
> with it - my new PC only has a measly 2 PCI sockets and I am expected to
> use
> one of them up now with a PCI firewire card if I want to use my Sony
> camcorder with vista.
>
> I am not into writing code or software or drivers or anything like that
> but
> honestly how much would it cost Sony's developers to write a USB streaming
> camcorder driver to work with vista, not that much surely?
>
> Andy.
>
>
>

"Saucy" <e9fd5gegbvc56y.bjtr5b@grdhtbis958t8j54j.net> wrote in message
news:#MTm3eb7HHA.5424@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> Agreed, especially since they seem to highlight their line of computers
> being so 'multi-media' etc. etc. you'd think they's have all their drivers
> ready. Oh well, you have to go with what works for you and if XP is what
you
> like ..
>
> I first tried my Handycam with USB and had to install the SONY software
for
> the USB to work on Vista because Vista didn't work with the Handycam
without
> them [and I really did not like the SONY software]. However, with the
> Firewire connection, Vista recognizes the cam and everything works with no
> SONY software whatsoever .. go figure, eh?
>
> Anyway, have a nice weekend sir.
>
> Saucy

Thanks I had a nice weekend after all and when I went back to using XP it
got even better :-)

I do remember getting XP in 2002 though and not getting on with it and not
finding drivers etc to run with it and went promptly back to win98, its like
history repeating itself - who knows maybe in the end one day I will like
vista once more!

Andy.

Sheep of sheeple are you....

non brained and drained ... unimaginative and dull



"Mike Hall - MVP" <mikehall@mvps.org> wrote in message
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> If neither PCI socket was being used for anything, then it would not have
> been a problem other than the cost of a Firewire card.. XP faced similar
> issues when introduced, with intransigent hardware manufacturers refusing
> to support older products.. one can't blame them as they have to generate
> new sales somehow, and at the same time, development of an OS can't stand
> still either..
>
>
> "Andy" <andy@indigo.ie> wrote in message
> news:fbee27$bco$1@news.datemas.de...
>>I have been trying Vista for a while and trying to see if I could get on
>> with it but the other day I got out my Sony Camcorder and tried to use
>> the
>> USB streaming feature on it as I had no problem always using it in XP I
>> thought oh well in must work in Vista if I just load the Sony USB
>> drivers -
>> wrong!
>>
>> I went to the Sony website which said it wasn't supported in Vista and
>> sent
>> Sony an email and they confirmed that USB streaming is not available in
>> Vista and they have no plans to introduce any new drivers or patches so
>> that
>> it will work and suggested I use firewire instead.
>>
>> My new PC only has 2 PCI sockets so now I have to use up one of those
>> sockets with a PCI Firewire card if I want to go that way - so bugger
>> that I
>> have gone back to XP now and got my streaming back, like using IE6
>> instead
>> of IE7 and feel like I have been reacquainted with an old friend and like
>> using XP much better plus there are huge load of programs and software
>> for
>> XP out there. Maybe after Vista has been out for a year it might be
>> better
>> but the way I feel at the moment is that out of XP & vista I know myself
>> which one is the best operating system.
>>
>> Andy.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
> --
>
>
> Mike Hall
> MS MVP Windows Shell/User
> http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/
>
>
>

new computers and new OS are good things. It is vista that is incredibly
crappy

blame vista.. its vistas fault and only vistas fault


"IBKrusty" <IBKrusty@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
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> The lesson is clear: do not buy any new version of the operating system
> until actually forced to. Resist buying a new computer that forces you to
> the new operating system as long as you possibly can.
>
> I bought a new computer (my old computer died) with Vista preinstalled and
> have regretted that decision ever since. Sharing with XP computers
> basically
> doesn't work, performance is much worse than XP, and a lot of things don't
> work. Microsoft won't support me (without paying), and my computer vendor
> knows virtually nothing about Vista (and is incapable of supporting it).
> --
> Krusty One
>
>
> "Andy" wrote:
>
>> I have been trying Vista for a while and trying to see if I could get on
>> with it but the other day I got out my Sony Camcorder and tried to use
>> the
>> USB streaming feature on it as I had no problem always using it in XP I
>> thought oh well in must work in Vista if I just load the Sony USB
>> drivers -
>> wrong!
>>
>> I went to the Sony website which said it wasn't supported in Vista and
>> sent
>> Sony an email and they confirmed that USB streaming is not available in
>> Vista and they have no plans to introduce any new drivers or patches so
>> that
>> it will work and suggested I use firewire instead.
>>
>> My new PC only has 2 PCI sockets so now I have to use up one of those
>> sockets with a PCI Firewire card if I want to go that way - so bugger
>> that I
>> have gone back to XP now and got my streaming back, like using IE6
>> instead
>> of IE7 and feel like I have been reacquainted with an old friend and like
>> using XP much better plus there are huge load of programs and software
>> for
>> XP out there. Maybe after Vista has been out for a year it might be
>> better
>> but the way I feel at the moment is that out of XP & vista I know myself
>> which one is the best operating system.
>>
>> Andy.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>

"vista terminal ator" <-> wrote in message
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> Sheep of sheeple are you....
>
> non brained and drained ... unimaginative and dull
>

You sound like Simon Cowell :-)

LOL

Andy.

"vista terminal ator" <-> wrote in message
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> new computers and new OS are good things. It is vista that is incredibly
> crappy
>
> blame vista.. its vistas fault and only vistas fault
>
>

Surely the words vista should be replaced as M$ ?

Andy.

its the vista team that blundered.. MS is so huge its like a small country
with thousands upon thousands of programmers....

Its not even Bill Gates fault.. although he should have given better
guidence...


"Andy" <andy@indigo.ie> wrote in message
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>
> "vista terminal ator" <-> wrote in message
> news:46db5adb$1@newsgate.x-privat.org...
>> new computers and new OS are good things. It is vista that is incredibly
>> crappy
>>
>> blame vista.. its vistas fault and only vistas fault
>>
>>
>
> Surely the words vista should be replaced as M$ ?
>
> Andy.
>
>
>

"vista terminal ator" <-> wrote in message
news:46db5cbb@newsgate.x-privat.org...
> its the vista team that blundered.. MS is so huge its like a small country
> with thousands upon thousands of programmers....
>
> Its not even Bill Gates fault.. although he should have given better
> guidence...
>
>

Can we blame the people who got a chance to test the beta versions as well?

Andy.

no.. the beta testers gave great feedback.. but the vista team had their
ears closed and went along and did whatever was inside their perverted
little sick brains>>>

VISTA

You know the image with the 3 monkeys, do not hear, see or speak? Thats the
vista team.



"Andy" <andy@indigo.ie> wrote in message
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>
> "vista terminal ator" <-> wrote in message
> news:46db5cbb@newsgate.x-privat.org...
>> its the vista team that blundered.. MS is so huge its like a small
>> country
>> with thousands upon thousands of programmers....
>>
>> Its not even Bill Gates fault.. although he should have given better
>> guidence...
>>
>>
>
> Can we blame the people who got a chance to test the beta versions as
> well?
>
> Andy.
>
>
>