"Mick" <Mick@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
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> Misery loves company- so i'll join you in lamenting I've been
> operating at home with bellsout.net [now att.net] DSL and with XP as my
> operating system- I didn't have any problems browsing the web or getting
> e-mail. I bought a new [expensive ]laptop with vista premium and I can get
> e-mail but connecting to any webpage is a crap shoot!! It usually takes
> 2-3
> minutes just to find a [or any] website [url] and then once it finds it,
> it
> takes about 2 minutes to fully load the page----then if you click a
> hyperlink
> within that page, it takes an additional 3-4 minutes to load--- often the
> web
> browser [IEX or mozilla} times out when it is unsuccessful--- I used the
> networks diagnostics to trouble shoot and it advsd it could not ping the
> isp
> dns server... I went to the "run" command and typed in the exact same ip
> address and my machine sent 4 packets but received "zero" back---- I
> connected my son's laptop that has XP as the operating system and is
> lightning fast---- I went to the command prompt and pinged the same isp
> dns
> server ip address and, withing miliseconds the pings came right back with
> no
> problem--- the att dsl tier II [KID!!] that I talked to [in the
> Phillipines]
> didn't have a clue- att makes purposefully unclear references to
> incompatibility issues between dsl and microsoft] that were [supposedly]
> cleared up in May 2007-
> I think the Dslam shelf [software] in the LEC central ofc and its related
> field remote terminal shelf [ cards ] might need some sort of software
> upgrade to support the vista operating system. LIke you Gary, "Internet
> connectivity is our #1 priority!!!"-- I do tons of researh at home wfor
> work
> and now...... I called att tier II tech support back and suggested that
> they
> check for
> a DHCP issue requiring a firmware upgrade [patch] for this particular
> regional server and/or the cot and RT dslam controller cards [channel
> units]
>
I'm using bellsouth.net without problems. I may not be using the same DNS
server, though, or even any other bellsouth.net DNS server since I never
entered what DNS server to use or installed any bellsouth.net software on
this machine. I wouldn't be surprised if the DNS server setting on my
machine is the default setting for the HP OEM version of Vista.

fancynancykay <fancynancykay.32bhxz@no-mx.forums.net> wrote:

> Wow! I found this forum hoping I could read some good advice and
> tips for using Vista and have seen some good, helpful posts, but
> am also disappointed in some of the replies I have read
> excoriating this poster for venting.

Venting is NOT what this forum is about, it helps nobody.

> Criticism is not what the poster asked for... and some of you sounded
> really rude...

I didn't see the original post but some here deserve every bit of
rudeness we can muster up and more!

You'll notice those who post legitimate questions usually get help
here.


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>I didn't see the original post but some here deserve every bit of
rudeness we can muster up and more!


You can say that again you pathetic cretin!

I agree with you - sadly

"schafferde" wrote:

> I don't suppose this will be allowed to stay on here, but I have to vent. I
> got Vista with my new Dell computer, and so far, I have had to replace 4
> programs that don't run on vista, and for which the companies "don't plan any
> upgrades in the near future". This has cost me a lot of money that I don't
> have. The computer was a large expense for me, and now it is getting
> rediculous. I am now looking unsuccessfully for a simple photo editing
> software program that will run that has the features my old program had, and
> I am very frustrated. Knowing what I know now, I would have never had Vista,
> and would have paid extra to have XP put on my new computer. Thank you for
> letting me vent.

Hello,

Think about it, when you go through an upgrade which is innovative, the
companies are continuously upgrading premium class software to support
current innovations. But it seems you want to buy a new computer, new
hardware, and keep the existing 5+ year old application which has been
discontinued by the company who produced that.

If you really want to use your 5+ year old application, stay with Windows
XP, install Windows XP, or run a Virtual Machine that has Windows XP. Not
everything could run on compatibility mode, the developers should be aware
of that.

Since you cannot run your application, it is time to buy a new license if
you want to run it on Windows Vista. The same applies to anything. Stop
saying I hate Vista for a problem which isn't Vista's fault.

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"ninkaroo" <ninkaroo@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:D670A348-7FE1-4796-9366-6467E7CB12E0@microsoft.com...
> I agree with you - sadly
>
> "schafferde" wrote:
>
>> I don't suppose this will be allowed to stay on here, but I have to vent.
>> I
>> got Vista with my new Dell computer, and so far, I have had to replace 4
>> programs that don't run on vista, and for which the companies "don't plan
>> any
>> upgrades in the near future". This has cost me a lot of money that I
>> don't
>> have. The computer was a large expense for me, and now it is getting
>> rediculous. I am now looking unsuccessfully for a simple photo editing
>> software program that will run that has the features my old program had,
>> and
>> I am very frustrated. Knowing what I know now, I would have never had
>> Vista,
>> and would have paid extra to have XP put on my new computer. Thank you
>> for
>> letting me vent.

ME TO
TonySper

"ninkaroo" <ninkaroo@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:D670A348-7FE1-4796-9366-6467E7CB12E0@microsoft.com...
>I agree with you - sadly
>
> "schafferde" wrote:
>
>> I don't suppose this will be allowed to stay on here, but I have to vent.
>> I
>> got Vista with my new Dell computer, and so far, I have had to replace 4
>> programs that don't run on vista, and for which the companies "don't plan
>> any
>> upgrades in the near future". This has cost me a lot of money that I
>> don't
>> have. The computer was a large expense for me, and now it is getting
>> rediculous. I am now looking unsuccessfully for a simple photo editing
>> software program that will run that has the features my old program had,
>> and
>> I am very frustrated. Knowing what I know now, I would have never had
>> Vista,
>> and would have paid extra to have XP put on my new computer. Thank you
>> for
>> letting me vent.

Photo editing program?

How about Irfanview?

Its free and good.

On Tue, 8 Jan 2008 03:58:26 +1100, "Blackadder XXIV"
<sniper968******.com> wrote:

> Photo editing program?
>
> How about Irfanview?
>
> Its free and good.


Irfanview is very good, but it's not really a photo editing program.
It's primarily for viewing, as the name implies, not editing.

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"Ken Blake, MVP" <kblake@this.is.an.invalid.domain> wrote:

> On Tue, 8 Jan 2008 03:58:26 +1100, "Blackadder XXIV"
> <sniper968******.com> wrote:
>
>> Photo editing program?
>>
>> How about Irfanview?
>>
>> Its free and good.
>
> Irfanview is very good, but it's not really a photo editing program.
> It's primarily for viewing, as the name implies, not editing.

I can't disagree but I've found that Irvanview will do all the photo
editing I need and I suspect that would be true of many people, very
few of us will need anything more complex.


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On Tue, 08 Jan 2008 12:37:24 -0700, XS11E <xs11e@NOSPAMyahoo.com>
wrote:

> "Ken Blake, MVP" <kblake@this.is.an.invalid.domain> wrote:
>
> > On Tue, 8 Jan 2008 03:58:26 +1100, "Blackadder XXIV"
> > <sniper968******.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Photo editing program?
> >>
> >> How about Irfanview?
> >>
> >> Its free and good.
> >
> > Irfanview is very good, but it's not really a photo editing program.
> > It's primarily for viewing, as the name implies, not editing.
>
> I can't disagree but I've found that Irvanview will do all the photo
> editing I need and I suspect that would be true of many people, very
> few of us will need anything more complex.


That's fine, no argument from me. If it does what you need, then no
need to go to any trouble or expense for a more capable program.
Nevertheless, I think it's weird to call it a "Photo editing program."

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Don't get me wrong, it's difficult to upgrade, especially when you don't
understand the nuances of industry. And you find yourself unprepared.

But I think one should really consider what they are doing by
upgrading. To hate Vista is to hate yourself.

One doesn't set out to buy a brand new car, by checking for reverse
compatibility. As long as it runs on gas (or something cheaper) you are
generally happy, right? Making sure your old seats, old headlights, and
dash board from the other car will fit in the new car would sound silly,
and absurd.

I was disappointed when XP came out being so reverse compatible,
because I thought it would be a big security risk, and it was.
Sometimes reverse compatibility is a bullet we shoot ourselves in the
foot with. It took MS, what? Two extra years to release Vista so they
could make it more like Apple’s Mac OSX, and like Sun’s Solaris, and
like other Linux flavors. They had to make it secure. Which is funny
because Gates used to tout NT (the basis of XP, and Vista) as superior
to Unix/Linux. And now they mimic it.

HOMEWORK:
As for the wise consumer, do your homework FIRST. And don’t just read
reviews from disgruntled XP loyalists, and hardcore Linux and Apple
users. There are many ways to confirm that you are ready.

MS did provide the 'Upgrade Advisor app'
(http://www.microsoft.com/windows/pro...deadvisor.mspx).
I don’t trust it though.

What many people don’t realize is you can trial install XP or Vista,
for 30 days, no key, no activation; and if you like it, you can buy the
“Genuine Advantage Kit for XP” at $149, thru the Windows Update
interface before the end of the 30 days. So heck, borrow a friends copy,
or download an ISO. (Not their key/license)
Vista it will refer you to a site to purchase a license for the edition
you’ve tested.
(This is to me the most reliable way of obtaining the information you
need on compatibility, but if there is trouble it gets rather involved)
(And they wouldn’t offer the trial, or the link to purchase a license
if they had a problem with you doing this. *I don't endorse piracy, if
you like it, buy a license)

Also for Vista, there is a '“Virtual Hard Drive” 30 day trial '
(http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/d...laylang=en)you
can download, and run on a “virtual” machine, with Virtual PC. (Within
your old OS, without any real changes to what you have already.)

And finally there is the 'Vista Ultimate Test Drive'
(http://www.windowsvistatestdrive.com...2fDefault.aspx).
Where you can test out the interface and such online.

So don’t complain! There are a bunch of way to determine if your
software, and/or hardware are up to snuff, if you didn’t know that is
your own fault.


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Ice Cream Man <Ice.Cream.Man.3bblja@DoNotSpam.com> wrote in
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> One doesn't set out to buy a brand new car, by checking for reverse
> compatibility. As long as it runs on gas (or something cheaper) you
> are generally happy, right? Making sure your old seats, old
> headlights, and dash board from the other car will fit in the new car
> would sound silly, and absurd.

That's a really bad analogy.

It is not the parts from the old car but the passengers I would consider in
thinking about cars and compatibility. My garage would figure in too.

"Ice Cream Man" <Ice.Cream.Man.3bblja@DoNotSpam.com> wrote in message
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>
> Don't get me wrong, it's difficult to upgrade, especially when you don't
> understand the nuances of industry. And you find yourself unprepared.
>
> But I think one should really consider what they are doing by
> upgrading. To hate Vista is to hate yourself.
>
> One doesn't set out to buy a brand new car, by checking for reverse
> compatibility. As long as it runs on gas (or something cheaper) you are
> generally happy, right? Making sure your old seats, old headlights, and
> dash board from the other car will fit in the new car would sound silly,
> and absurd.
>
> I was disappointed when XP came out being so reverse compatible,
> because I thought it would be a big security risk, and it was.
> Sometimes reverse compatibility is a bullet we shoot ourselves in the
> foot with. It took MS, what? Two extra years to release Vista so they
> could make it more like Apple's Mac OSX, and like Sun's Solaris, and
> like other Linux flavors. They had to make it secure. Which is funny
> because Gates used to tout NT (the basis of XP, and Vista) as superior
> to Unix/Linux. And now they mimic it.
>
> HOMEWORK:
> As for the wise consumer, do your homework FIRST. And don't just read
> reviews from disgruntled XP loyalists, and hardcore Linux and Apple
> users. There are many ways to confirm that you are ready.
>
> MS did provide the 'Upgrade Advisor app'
> (http://www.microsoft.com/windows/pro...deadvisor.mspx).
> I don't trust it though.
>
> What many people don't realize is you can trial install XP or Vista,
> for 30 days, no key, no activation; and if you like it, you can buy the
> "Genuine Advantage Kit for XP" at $149, thru the Windows Update
> interface before the end of the 30 days. So heck, borrow a friends copy,
> or download an ISO. (Not their key/license)
> Vista it will refer you to a site to purchase a license for the edition
> you've tested.
> (This is to me the most reliable way of obtaining the information you
> need on compatibility, but if there is trouble it gets rather involved)
> (And they wouldn't offer the trial, or the link to purchase a license
> if they had a problem with you doing this. *I don't endorse piracy, if
> you like it, buy a license)
>
> Also for Vista, there is a '"Virtual Hard Drive" 30 day trial '
> (http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/d...laylang=en)you
> can download, and run on a "virtual" machine, with Virtual PC. (Within
> your old OS, without any real changes to what you have already.)
>
> And finally there is the 'Vista Ultimate Test Drive'
> (http://www.windowsvistatestdrive.com...2fDefault.aspx).
> Where you can test out the interface and such online.
>
> So don't complain! There are a bunch of way to determine if your
> software, and/or hardware are up to snuff, if you didn't know that is
> your own fault.
>
>
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In article <Ice.Cream.Man.3bblja@DoNotSpam.com>,
Ice Cream Man <Ice.Cream.Man.3bblja@DoNotSpam.com> wrote:
>
>To hate Vista is to hate yourself.
>

OMFG...

>There are many ways to confirm that you are ready.

When you can take this license fee from my hand, grasshopper,
you will be ready to leave the temple.

DanS;3814129 Wrote:
> Ice Cream Man <Ice.Cream.Man.3bblja@DoNotSpam.com> wrote in
> news:Ice.Cream.Man.3bblja@DoNotSpam.com:
>
> > One doesn't set out to buy a brand new car, by checking for reverse
> > compatibility. As long as it runs on gas (or something cheaper) you
> > are generally happy, right? Making sure your old seats, old
> > headlights, and dash board from the other car will fit in the new
> car
> > would sound silly, and absurd.
>
> That's a really bad analogy.

have anything better? :)


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