Richard Urban wrote:[color=blue]
> If a USB printer could not be connected, and used, under Vista you would
> hear a general howling - and it would be on every news station and on
> every web site. You don't hear or see this this, do you?
>
> You have done something wrong as an IT professional of 20+ years. As
> said IT professional of 20+ years, you should know to uninstall the
> printer software, disconnect the printer, reboot - and start again -
> reading the help file this time.
>[/color]


More insults from Richard... again based on the automatic assumption
that any problems with Vista are the user's fault.

There is a "Howling" about WGA, WPA, the poor performance of Explorer,
the incompatibility issues and the fact that just months after release
MOST users are hoping a service pack is soon released that will fix
what's broken (Although like XP SP1 it probably won't).

Right. There is a howling about that. But there is no general discontent
about printer support.

So, why don't you keep it on topic.

If the guy is insulted because HE points out his 20 years in IT, yet can not
install a printer - OH WELL!

--


Regards,

Richard Urban
Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User
(For email, remove the obvious from my address)


"Charlie Tame" <charlie@tames.net> wrote in message
news:%23y4O1Z69HHA.5316@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...[color=blue]
> Richard Urban wrote:[color=green]
>> If a USB printer could not be connected, and used, under Vista you would
>> hear a general howling - and it would be on every news station and on
>> every web site. You don't hear or see this this, do you?
>>
>> You have done something wrong as an IT professional of 20+ years. As said
>> IT professional of 20+ years, you should know to uninstall the printer
>> software, disconnect the printer, reboot - and start again - reading the
>> help file this time.
>>[/color]
>
>
> More insults from Richard... again based on the automatic assumption that
> any problems with Vista are the user's fault.
>
> There is a "Howling" about WGA, WPA, the poor performance of Explorer, the
> incompatibility issues and the fact that just months after release MOST
> users are hoping a service pack is soon released that will fix what's
> broken (Although like XP SP1 it probably won't).
>
>
>[/color]

Hear, hear. :-)

"Richard Urban" <richardurbanREMOVETHIS********.com> wrote in message
news:%23VWkBp69HHA.3548@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...[color=blue]
> Right. There is a howling about that. But there is no general discontent
> about printer support.
>
> So, why don't you keep it on topic.
>
> If the guy is insulted because HE points out his 20 years in IT, yet can
> not install a printer - OH WELL!
>
> --
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Richard Urban
> Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User
> (For email, remove the obvious from my address)
>
>
> "Charlie Tame" <charlie@tames.net> wrote in message
> news:%23y4O1Z69HHA.5316@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...[color=green]
>> Richard Urban wrote:[color=darkred]
>>> If a USB printer could not be connected, and used, under Vista you would
>>> hear a general howling - and it would be on every news station and on
>>> every web site. You don't hear or see this this, do you?
>>>
>>> You have done something wrong as an IT professional of 20+ years. As
>>> said IT professional of 20+ years, you should know to uninstall the
>>> printer software, disconnect the printer, reboot - and start again -
>>> reading the help file this time.
>>>[/color]
>>
>>
>> More insults from Richard... again based on the automatic assumption that
>> any problems with Vista are the user's fault.
>>
>> There is a "Howling" about WGA, WPA, the poor performance of Explorer,
>> the incompatibility issues and the fact that just months after release
>> MOST users are hoping a service pack is soon released that will fix
>> what's broken (Although like XP SP1 it probably won't).
>>
>>
>>[/color]
>[/color]

Richard Urban wrote:[color=blue]
> Right. There is a howling about that. But there is no general discontent
> about printer support.
>
> So, why don't you keep it on topic.
>
> If the guy is insulted because HE points out his 20 years in IT, yet can
> not install a printer - OH WELL!
>[/color]


The topic WAS printers, the bit above here is called the "Subject"

Thanks for stepping in Charlie but there's obviously no help for some people!
There are a bunch of hotfixes for various non-existant USB problems at this
URL:
[url]http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;936003[/url]
I haven't had time to try them but they probably won't hurt.

If anyone has useful suggestions beyond the normal troubleshooting (I've
uninstalled everything including the USB ports themselves, tried different
cables, etc.) I'd love to know. I have a 'Vista certified' Canon i860 and an
Acer Aspire 5610-4648 with Vista Home Premium and all the latest updates. It
sees the device when I connect the printer and loads the drivers but does not
create any printer instance that I can actually print to. I can manually add
a printer and change the port to USB but that doesn't do anything.



"Charlie Tame" wrote:
[color=blue]
> Richard Urban wrote:[color=green]
> > Right. There is a howling about that. But there is no general discontent
> > about printer support.
> >
> > So, why don't you keep it on topic.
> >
> > If the guy is insulted because HE points out his 20 years in IT, yet can
> > not install a printer - OH WELL!
> >[/color]
>
>
> The topic WAS printers, the bit above here is called the "Subject"
>[/color]

Thanks for stepping in Charlie but there's obviously no help for some people!
There are a bunch of hotfixes for various non-existant USB problems at this
URL:
[url]http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;936003[/url]
I haven't had time to try them but they probably won't hurt.

If anyone has useful suggestions beyond the normal troubleshooting (I've
uninstalled everything including the USB ports themselves, tried different
cables, etc.) I'd love to know. I have a 'Vista certified' Canon i860 and an
Acer Aspire 5610-4648 with Vista Home Premium and all the latest updates. It
sees the device when I connect the printer and loads the drivers but does not
create any printer instance that I can actually print to. I can manually add
a printer and change the port to USB but that doesn't do anything.



"Charlie Tame" wrote:
[color=blue]
> Richard Urban wrote:[color=green]
> > Right. There is a howling about that. But there is no general discontent
> > about printer support.
> >
> > So, why don't you keep it on topic.
> >
> > If the guy is insulted because HE points out his 20 years in IT, yet can
> > not install a printer - OH WELL!
> >[/color]
>
>
> The topic WAS printers, the bit above here is called the "Subject"
>[/color]

I have a Canon i860 plugged into a usb port on my MOBO. Have also had it
plugged into a usb port on a PCI-e card. Works without installing drivers
or any program out of the box. Also works from a networked Vista computer
and XP86 computer. Will not work from an XP64 computer.


"Tom Bonavia" <TomBonavia@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:64EFB5FF-9242-44AB-A276-61D8DF6E4790@microsoft.com...[color=blue]
> Thanks for stepping in Charlie but there's obviously no help for some
> people!
> There are a bunch of hotfixes for various non-existant USB problems at
> this
> URL:
> [url]http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;936003[/url]
> I haven't had time to try them but they probably won't hurt.
>
> If anyone has useful suggestions beyond the normal troubleshooting (I've
> uninstalled everything including the USB ports themselves, tried different
> cables, etc.) I'd love to know. I have a 'Vista certified' Canon i860 and
> an
> Acer Aspire 5610-4648 with Vista Home Premium and all the latest updates.
> It
> sees the device when I connect the printer and loads the drivers but does
> not
> create any printer instance that I can actually print to. I can manually
> add
> a printer and change the port to USB but that doesn't do anything.
>
>
>
> "Charlie Tame" wrote:
>[color=green]
>> Richard Urban wrote:[color=darkred]
>> > Right. There is a howling about that. But there is no general
>> > discontent
>> > about printer support.
>> >
>> > So, why don't you keep it on topic.
>> >
>> > If the guy is insulted because HE points out his 20 years in IT, yet
>> > can
>> > not install a printer - OH WELL!
>> >[/color]
>>
>>
>> The topic WAS printers, the bit above here is called the "Subject"
>>[/color][/color]

I have a Canon i860 plugged into a usb port on my MOBO. Have also had it
plugged into a usb port on a PCI-e card. Works without installing drivers
or any program out of the box. Also works from a networked Vista computer
and XP86 computer. Will not work from an XP64 computer.


"Tom Bonavia" <TomBonavia@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:64EFB5FF-9242-44AB-A276-61D8DF6E4790@microsoft.com...[color=blue]
> Thanks for stepping in Charlie but there's obviously no help for some
> people!
> There are a bunch of hotfixes for various non-existant USB problems at
> this
> URL:
> [url]http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;936003[/url]
> I haven't had time to try them but they probably won't hurt.
>
> If anyone has useful suggestions beyond the normal troubleshooting (I've
> uninstalled everything including the USB ports themselves, tried different
> cables, etc.) I'd love to know. I have a 'Vista certified' Canon i860 and
> an
> Acer Aspire 5610-4648 with Vista Home Premium and all the latest updates.
> It
> sees the device when I connect the printer and loads the drivers but does
> not
> create any printer instance that I can actually print to. I can manually
> add
> a printer and change the port to USB but that doesn't do anything.
>
>
>
> "Charlie Tame" wrote:
>[color=green]
>> Richard Urban wrote:[color=darkred]
>> > Right. There is a howling about that. But there is no general
>> > discontent
>> > about printer support.
>> >
>> > So, why don't you keep it on topic.
>> >
>> > If the guy is insulted because HE points out his 20 years in IT, yet
>> > can
>> > not install a printer - OH WELL!
>> >[/color]
>>
>>
>> The topic WAS printers, the bit above here is called the "Subject"
>>[/color][/color]

I installed Vista 32 bit about 7 months ago - a clean install, not an
upgrade. I have been using it with my HP printer without incident.

Because of the fuss here, I borrowed my neighbors Canon i860. I turned off
the computer and disconnected the HP. I then connected the Canon. Upon
booting the computer the printer was identified and resident drivers were
installed. A test page was successfully printed.

I #####DON"T##### have 20 years experience in IT.

"Tom Bonavia" wrote:
[color=blue]
>
>
> "Ken Blake, MVP" wrote:
>[color=green]
> > On Wed, 1 Aug 2007 13:32:10 +0200, "MS" <maria.steyn@wanadoo.nl>
> > wrote:
> >
> >[color=darkred]
> > > Does Vista Home Premium NOT accept a USB printer as its only/first printer?[/color]
> >
> >
> >
> > Certainly it *does*.
> >
> >[color=darkred]
> > > My Lexmark Z23-33 is recognized by the USB function but
> > > not visible nor addressable under Printers.[/color]
> >
> >
> >
> > Then you haven't installed it correctly. Exactly how did you do the
> > software part of the installation?
> >
> >[color=darkred]
> > > Do I really need an old 'local' printer with the big connector as a first printer?[/color]
> >
> >
> > No.
> >
> >[color=darkred]
> > > Is there a workaround?[/color]
> >
> >
> > No workaround is needed. Many thousand or millions of people have done
> > this successfully.
> >[color=darkred]
> > > Curious,
> > > Maria[/color]
> >
> > --
> > Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP Windows - Shell/User
> > Please Reply to the Newsgroup
> >[/color]
>
> Ken,
> I'm an IT Professional of 20 years and have done everything right by the
> manual but can't get Vista to recognize my printer, so I would venture to say
> that thousands or millions of people are also experiencing problems. Remember
> the little bug that killed USBs when upgrading from XP to XP professional?
> I'm only glad that Microsoft acknowledges it's bugs more esily than you do![/color]

I installed Vista 32 bit about 7 months ago - a clean install, not an
upgrade. I have been using it with my HP printer without incident.

Because of the fuss here, I borrowed my neighbors Canon i860. I turned off
the computer and disconnected the HP. I then connected the Canon. Upon
booting the computer the printer was identified and resident drivers were
installed. A test page was successfully printed.

I #####DON"T##### have 20 years experience in IT.

"Tom Bonavia" wrote:
[color=blue]
>
>
> "Ken Blake, MVP" wrote:
>[color=green]
> > On Wed, 1 Aug 2007 13:32:10 +0200, "MS" <maria.steyn@wanadoo.nl>
> > wrote:
> >
> >[color=darkred]
> > > Does Vista Home Premium NOT accept a USB printer as its only/first printer?[/color]
> >
> >
> >
> > Certainly it *does*.
> >
> >[color=darkred]
> > > My Lexmark Z23-33 is recognized by the USB function but
> > > not visible nor addressable under Printers.[/color]
> >
> >
> >
> > Then you haven't installed it correctly. Exactly how did you do the
> > software part of the installation?
> >
> >[color=darkred]
> > > Do I really need an old 'local' printer with the big connector as a first printer?[/color]
> >
> >
> > No.
> >
> >[color=darkred]
> > > Is there a workaround?[/color]
> >
> >
> > No workaround is needed. Many thousand or millions of people have done
> > this successfully.
> >[color=darkred]
> > > Curious,
> > > Maria[/color]
> >
> > --
> > Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP Windows - Shell/User
> > Please Reply to the Newsgroup
> >[/color]
>
> Ken,
> I'm an IT Professional of 20 years and have done everything right by the
> manual but can't get Vista to recognize my printer, so I would venture to say
> that thousands or millions of people are also experiencing problems. Remember
> the little bug that killed USBs when upgrading from XP to XP professional?
> I'm only glad that Microsoft acknowledges it's bugs more esily than you do![/color]

I forgot to mention that I also installed the Vista add on module for this
printer from Canon. It did not improve performance. Just gave a bit more
functionality.

"Tom Bonavia" wrote:
[color=blue]
>
>
> "Ken Blake, MVP" wrote:
>[color=green]
> > On Wed, 1 Aug 2007 13:32:10 +0200, "MS" <maria.steyn@wanadoo.nl>
> > wrote:
> >
> >[color=darkred]
> > > Does Vista Home Premium NOT accept a USB printer as its only/first printer?[/color]
> >
> >
> >
> > Certainly it *does*.
> >
> >[color=darkred]
> > > My Lexmark Z23-33 is recognized by the USB function but
> > > not visible nor addressable under Printers.[/color]
> >
> >
> >
> > Then you haven't installed it correctly. Exactly how did you do the
> > software part of the installation?
> >
> >[color=darkred]
> > > Do I really need an old 'local' printer with the big connector as a first printer?[/color]
> >
> >
> > No.
> >
> >[color=darkred]
> > > Is there a workaround?[/color]
> >
> >
> > No workaround is needed. Many thousand or millions of people have done
> > this successfully.
> >[color=darkred]
> > > Curious,
> > > Maria[/color]
> >
> > --
> > Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP Windows - Shell/User
> > Please Reply to the Newsgroup
> >[/color]
>
> Ken,
> I'm an IT Professional of 20 years and have done everything right by the
> manual but can't get Vista to recognize my printer, so I would venture to say
> that thousands or millions of people are also experiencing problems. Remember
> the little bug that killed USBs when upgrading from XP to XP professional?
> I'm only glad that Microsoft acknowledges it's bugs more esily than you do![/color]

I forgot to mention that I also installed the Vista add on module for this
printer from Canon. It did not improve performance. Just gave a bit more
functionality.

"Tom Bonavia" wrote:
[color=blue]
>
>
> "Ken Blake, MVP" wrote:
>[color=green]
> > On Wed, 1 Aug 2007 13:32:10 +0200, "MS" <maria.steyn@wanadoo.nl>
> > wrote:
> >
> >[color=darkred]
> > > Does Vista Home Premium NOT accept a USB printer as its only/first printer?[/color]
> >
> >
> >
> > Certainly it *does*.
> >
> >[color=darkred]
> > > My Lexmark Z23-33 is recognized by the USB function but
> > > not visible nor addressable under Printers.[/color]
> >
> >
> >
> > Then you haven't installed it correctly. Exactly how did you do the
> > software part of the installation?
> >
> >[color=darkred]
> > > Do I really need an old 'local' printer with the big connector as a first printer?[/color]
> >
> >
> > No.
> >
> >[color=darkred]
> > > Is there a workaround?[/color]
> >
> >
> > No workaround is needed. Many thousand or millions of people have done
> > this successfully.
> >[color=darkred]
> > > Curious,
> > > Maria[/color]
> >
> > --
> > Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP Windows - Shell/User
> > Please Reply to the Newsgroup
> >[/color]
>
> Ken,
> I'm an IT Professional of 20 years and have done everything right by the
> manual but can't get Vista to recognize my printer, so I would venture to say
> that thousands or millions of people are also experiencing problems. Remember
> the little bug that killed USBs when upgrading from XP to XP professional?
> I'm only glad that Microsoft acknowledges it's bugs more esily than you do![/color]