On Sat, 18 Aug 2007 00:07:18 +0530, wbarbourca <wbarbourca.2vh5fe@DoNotSpam.com> wrote:
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>
>Hi,
>
>Thanks for the reply.
>
>No, I am not using any camera software. I am accessing it as a USB
>storage device, similar to my USB drive. I don't use Photoshop.[/color]
I only mentioned PS as there is a 100% problem with PS3 files.
I don't use PS 3 either, but the files are on the web.
You should have some software from the camera to actually do the downloads.
I'd try and find it.[color=blue]
>
>Yes, it would appear that I am experiencing 2 problems. How the file
>is being viewed (or read), and how it is written. I never have view
>problems from my internal drive. For viewing, I typically just use the
>Windows Photo Gallery application ('Preview').[/color]
Try irfanview. and see if there's actually a problem with the files BEFORE doing anything with them.
[color=blue]
>I agree that it doesn't make sense that the corruption would correct
>itself upon a transfer out and then a rewrite back in, however, it does
>seem to be a workaround for the view problem. However, if the transfer[/color]
if it's corrupted that's it. no amount of copying is going to restore pixels that were never there.
[color=blue]
>out is unsuccessful (a trial and error thing) and I rewrite it back in
>with the bad copy from my Vista, it is permanent.[/color]
IOW: You're writing a bad copy twice over what you think is a bad copy. There's something else going on. And I'd suspect the software making the transfers.
Use IV to import from the camera.
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>These devices date back to year 2003. Your question as to whether my
>devices are USB 1 or 2 sounds interesting. That could be it. Is this
>determination in the firmware of the device? As I say, I'm not using
>any drivers or applications from the original installation disks, as
>they would be for XP anyway. And I cannot locate any updated Vista
>compatible drivers for either device as of yet.[/color]
What I know about USB 1 & USB 2 is below.
I think there is something like a USB 1 to USB 2 converter, but I wouldn't go that far yet.
They're 2 different things. One more way to make you replace ALL your oldequipment. See stuff that's more than a year old = OLD equipment.

XP was upgraded to USB 2. Vista was ALWAYS USB 2.
If the external was 2003, then yes I'd think it was USB 1 compatible.

update drivers - Start - admin tools - computer management - device management -
under disk drives, find the external. right click update driver or properties - driver - update driver. This may just try to reload, or tellyou that you already have the best driver. Machines lazy or not smart enough to find a good one on the web. I would definitely find the camera software, and usage manual. Some may be available on the web. I found a 20 year old manual for a radio shack scanner on the web.

Check the web site of the camera for drivers. or google for the camera.
But 1st use IV to confirm the images aren't already crapped on the camera, and if not, just let IV move them. I haven't found much that IV can't do with an image. Again it's fast & FREE. You don't need to subscribe to anything or promise your 1st born. It's been free for more than 9 years.

troubleshooting = DON'T RELY on just 1 piece of test equipment. This expands to don't rely on just 2 pieces or more of test equipment.
I spent 24 hours replacing 3 radios to fix the 1 bad radio on 1 airplane.We DETAILED that plane and finally came to the conclusion that we had 3 different radios that ALL had the EXACT same problem. 4th radio was the charm. We did have 3 bad radios all with the exact same problem.

Use several programs to view your images from the camera. They may already be corrupt on the camera. But that's where you need to start yourtroubleshooting, from the SOURCE of the images. If they're ok there, do a transfer. re-check them with same view software. This way you eliminateor create a constant. camera = constant, view software = constant, transfer software = constant. If after the transfer the image is bad, change one of the constants. view software, or transfer software. I'd go with transfer software 1st.

And actually this should be the 1st thing to check, how's the batteries in the camera ?
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wbarbourca wrote:[color=blue]
> I too am having similar problems. I have a newly purchased Acer Aspire
> E380 with AMDAthlon 64 x 2 Dual Core Processor 4200+ 2.20 GHz with
> Vista Home Premium.
>
> It happens when I try to import pictures from my Sony DSC-V1 camera
> (read from USB device action). My workaround is to import to an XP
> machine and then transfer the files to my Vista machine over my home
> network (wireless).
>
> It also happens if I try to save a picture from Internet Explorer onto
> a USB extermal drive (write to USB device action). The files
> immediately corrupt when I try to save and the result shows as
> corrupted on XP machines as well.
>
> All file operations to/from the internal drive are fine.
>
> An interesting observation is that 'sometimes' if I transfer a
> corrupted file from my external drive onto my Vista machine via USB,
> the corruption will correct itself on the transfer. I can then
> transfer the file from my Vista back to my external drive repeatedly
> until it transfers intact. This appears to work 50% of the time.
>
> Another observation is that sometimes jpg files on my external drive
> that were previously fine will corrupt when I attempt to write new
> files. I can usually correct this with the procedure I described in my
> preceding paragraph.
>
> The common denominator does appear to be transferring to/from external
> disks attached via USB. Not sure whether it's an Acer USB hardware
> issue, a Vista USB driver issue or a combination of the 2.[/color]


May have been missed in the excellent advice you already got. Do you
mean you can import from the camera to XP perfectly every time? If so
then the import to Vista fails 30% of the time. Is that right?

Of the 30% are they always the same pictures that get messed up or if
you import (say) 10 random pictures several times in different order
does it work out as 30% but different pictures. I am thinking it IS a
USB problem and / or a combination of that and something in the files.
If it's always the same ones then I'd guess that the Sony driver is
sending some parameter that doesn't make sense to Vista's idea of JPC spec.

Can you get the camera to transfer in any other format such as .bmp?

Just a suggestion, you already have someone who probably knows a lot
more about image formats than I do :)

Hi,

Thanks for the reply and your questions. In short:

Yes, I can import to XP perfectly every time. The problem only appears
on my Vista machine.

The problem occurs rqndomly, i.e., it is not with the same pictures
every time.

I can import to .tiff or.bmp but I have not tried that yet. Time
permitting, I agree, it is a worthwhile experiment!


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On Sat, 18 Aug 2007 20:53:05 +0530, wbarbourca <wbarbourca.2virrb@DoNotSpam.com> wrote:
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>Hi,
>
>Thanks for the reply and your questions. In short:
>
>Yes, I can import to XP perfectly every time. The problem only appears
>on my Vista machine.[/color]

Then it boils down to a software problem. Or very possibly all that security crap they hung on Vista. UAC specifically.
Try turning UAC off on some images that always fail. This troubleshootingis called elimination.
Eliminate the possible variables that could cause the failures.

UAC - Off - start - top USER picture - bottom of page - turn UAC on or Off

Now try your imports to Vista.

This is why I suggested IV. It becomes a constant, allowing you to eliminate the software glitch on both machines.
There's also the fact that Vista made thousands of computer programs and hardware obsolete.
XP had a compatibility thing. There's also something similar at M$ for Vista. you might check and see if any of the software is listed there.

[color=blue]
>The problem occurs rqndomly, i.e., it is not with the same pictures
>every time.[/color]
same pictures or extensions ?
[color=blue]
>I can import to .tiff or.bmp but I have not tried that yet. Time
>permitting, I agree, it is a worthwhile experiment![/color]
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A small update... I have determined that the pictures on the camera are
fine. My PC has a slot that will accept the camera's memory stick, so I
can do my transfers directly to my Vista machine that way. No
corruption whatsoever. Although the problem remains unsolved,
transferring in this manner is 100% acceptable for me. Now it's just
my Datastor external drive.

Turning UAC off had no effect.

Both my camera and my Pocketec Datastor are USB 2 so USB 1
incompatibility isn't the problem. Unfortunately, no Vista drivers
appear to exist for either device. Datastor claims that no drivers are
required for Windows 2000/Me/XP. The manual was written before Vista's
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On Mon, 20 Aug 2007 02:18:28 +0530, wbarbourca <wbarbourca.2vl0bf@DoNotSpam.com> wrote:
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>
>A small update... I have determined that the pictures on the camera are
>fine. My PC has a slot that will accept the camera's memory stick, so I
>can do my transfers directly to my Vista machine that way. No
>corruption whatsoever. Although the problem remains unsolved,
>transferring in this manner is 100% acceptable for me. Now it's just
>my Datastor external drive.
>
>Turning UAC off had no effect.
>
>Both my camera and my Pocketec Datastor are USB 2 so USB 1
>incompatibility isn't the problem. Unfortunately, no Vista drivers
>appear to exist for either device. Datastor claims that no drivers are
>required for Windows 2000/Me/XP. The manual was written before Vista's
>time.[/color]

I've sort of lost track on this what the exact problem is. one way it works, one way it doesn't, one OS it works, one it doesn't..

I would say once again use IV to make all your transfers once you get them onto a machine intact out of the camera. Or directly from the external Pocketec Datastor or camera. Some cameras CAN be used as storagedevices. ie: you can also save data to them.

IV shouldn't have any trouble actually picking the images off the camera and putting them anywhere on any drive without going thru any 3rd party OS or Drives.

Plug the camera in where you can, fire up IV and select the camera. then use IV's copy or move option [there's about 8 presets] to move to any drive path you want.
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Hi,

I'm almost too embarassed to ask, but my Google search for IV produced
confusing results at best. What eactly is 'IV' and where can I get
it??

I'm certainly willing to give it a try.

BTW. This thread has now expanded to the point of several people
expressing the same or similar problems. As such, I believe it may be
getting confusing to track unless you look at the sender's id closely.
My post was NOT the original.

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On Aug 17, 11:37 am, wbarbourca <wbarbourca.2vh...@DoNotSpam.com>
wrote:[color=blue]
> Hi,
>
> Thanks for the reply.
>
> No, I am not using any camera software. I am accessing it as a USB
> storage device, similar to my USB drive. I don't use Photoshop.
>
> Yes, it would appear that I am experiencing 2 problems. How the file
> is being viewed (or read), and how it is written. I never have view
> problems from my internal drive. For viewing, I typically just use the
> Windows Photo Gallery application ('Preview').
>
> I agree that it doesn't make sense that the corruption would correct
> itself upon a transfer out and then a rewrite back in, however, it does
> seem to be a workaround for the view problem. However, if the transfer
> out is unsuccessful (a trial and error thing) and I rewrite it back in
> with the bad copy from my Vista, it is permanent.
>
> These devices date back to year 2003. Your question as to whether my
> devices are USB 1 or 2 sounds interesting. That could be it. Is this
> determination in the firmware of the device? As I say, I'm not using
> any drivers or applications from the original installation disks, as
> they would be for XP anyway. And I cannot locate any updated Vista
> compatible drivers for either device as of yet.
>
> Thanks again.
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I had the same problem in Vista when I tried importing my photos from
my external USB drive (all NTFS formated).
Ruined hundreds of photos - now showing only partial images. Expensive
repair software (can't recall the name) can probably fix some of them.
Trial copy seemed to indicate so.
kbsolutions

IrfanView

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> Hi,
>
> I'm almost too embarassed to ask, but my Google search for IV produced
> confusing results at best. What eactly is 'IV' and where can I get
> it??
>
> I'm certainly willing to give it a try.
>
> BTW. This thread has now expanded to the point of several people
> expressing the same or similar problems. As such, I believe it may be
> getting confusing to track unless you look at the sender's id closely.
> My post was NOT the original.
>
> Thanks.
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On Wed, 22 Aug 2007 02:37:51 +0530, wbarbourca
<wbarbourca.2vopne@DoNotSpam.com> wrote:
[color=blue]
>
>Hi,
>
>I'm almost too embarassed to ask, but my Google search for IV produced
>confusing results at best. What eactly is 'IV' and where can I get
>it??
>
>I'm certainly willing to give it a try.[/color]
[url]www.irfanview.com[/url] = irfanview just smack the link.
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>I had the same problem in Vista when I tried importing my photos from
>my external USB drive (all NTFS formated).
>Ruined hundreds of photos - now showing only partial images. Expensive
>repair software (can't recall the name) can probably fix some of them.[/color]

Well I tried to duplicate this problem, but I only have the vista to playwith.
I copied some good pix from my N: Maxtor external drive to my O: plugin 250 meg
USB drive.
My O: USB = FAT system
My N: Maxtor = NTFS
rest of the drives = NTFS

I viewed them after copying them with IV, and they looked fine.

Also copied them from N: to O: and O: to C:\temp
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Hi,

Well I tried IV. A great application, but unfortunately I still have
the same problem.

I'm starting to think that it's simply a driver/firmware
incompatibility between both ends of the USB connection.
Unfortunately, no driver/downloadable firmware updates appear to exist
for these older devices (as of yet). The data simply gets corrupted in
transfers, whether or not that transfer is a file copy read, a file copy
write or even just a read and display from the remote device by an
application on the Vista machine such as IV. In all cases, the data
just doesn't go across the USB cable and come out the other side
intact.

It happens with TIFF and BMP as well as JPG. I have also had
corruptions with videos in MPG, AVI, WMV and FLV formats. Never
noticed a problem with other file types such as word, powerpoint, etc..
In fact, when I bought my new Vista machine I transferred my entire "My
Documents" directory (almost 1G of data) from my XP machine using the
same Pocketec Datastor USB 2.0 (40G) with no problems whatsoever. It
just doesn't like pictures or video.

As I say, the files on the Sony DSC-v1 or Pocketec Datastor may be fine
initially, as can be proven with an XP machine. However, file transfers
to/from the Vista machine over USB will produce permanently corrupted
results. However, file transfers to/from the Vista machine by any
other means (e.g. network transfers from an XP machine, or plugging the
memory stick directly into the slot on the Vista machine) from these
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On Tue, 28 Aug 2007 19:01:12 +0530, wbarbourca
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>
>Hi,
>
>Well I tried IV. A great application, but unfortunately I still have
>the same problem.
>
>I'm starting to think that it's simply a driver/firmware
>incompatibility between both ends of the USB connection.[/color]

Could also just be buggy Vista. Have you seen this?

[url]http://blog.tiensivu.com/aaron/archives/1192-2-essential-pre-SP1-Vista-rollup-patches-released-KB-938194-and-KB-938979.html[/url]

On Tue, 28 Aug 2007 19:01:12 +0530, wbarbourca
<wbarbourca.2w14vg@DoNotSpam.com> wrote:
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>
>Hi,
>
>Well I tried IV. A great application, but unfortunately I still have
>the same problem. [/color]

couple questions...
with IV, what did the image look like when you loaded it into IV from the
stick, onto the vista machine ?
ie:
IV installed on Vista machine.
stick = drive M: or whatever...
fire up IV from the vista, browse to M: and an image path.
Load up an image.. what's it look like ? Corrupted or not ?
F7 to move & delete from M: or F6 to copy, pick a location on the Vistamachine
and Save it there if it appears correctly in IV..

If it works then,
use 'T' thumbnails. F7 or F6, and move/copy them to the new path/drive.
Did they corrupt or not ?
or F6 to Copy files from that drive. I don't think you really want something
deleting the files from the stick, b4 you work out the bugs.

Did you email the makers of the stick about this problem ?
[color=blue]
>I'm starting to think that it's simply a driver/firmware
>incompatibility between both ends of the USB connection. [/color]
That would be my guess also.. Which would mean you should be able to google for
the stick, and pick thru the results until you see one that sounds like your
problem.
[color=blue]
>Unfortunately, no driver/downloadable firmware updates appear to exist
>for these older devices (as of yet). The data simply gets corrupted in
>transfers, whether or not that transfer is a file copy read, a file copy
>write or even just a read and display from the remote device by an
>application on the Vista machine such as IV. In all cases, the data
>just doesn't go across the USB cable and come out the other side
>intact.
>
>It happens with TIFF and BMP as well as JPG. I have also had
>corruptions with videos in MPG, AVI, WMV and FLV formats. Never
>noticed a problem with other file types such as word, powerpoint, etc..
>In fact, when I bought my new Vista machine I transferred my entire "My
>Documents" directory (almost 1G of data) from my XP machine using the
>same Pocketec Datastor USB 2.0 (40G) with no problems whatsoever. It
>just doesn't like pictures or video.
>
>As I say, the files on the Sony DSC-v1 or Pocketec Datastor may be fine
>initially, as can be proven with an XP machine. However, file transfers
>to/from the Vista machine over USB will produce permanently corrupted
>results. However, file transfers to/from the Vista machine by any
>other means (e.g. network transfers from an XP machine, or plugging the
>memory stick directly into the slot on the Vista machine) from these
>devices are fine.[/color]
Which sounds correct. meaning the stick & the vista & XP are compatible.

Hmm... am I understanding you right, you're plugging the USB cable from one
machine to the other directly ?

Not real sure if a USB cable was designed for that sort of thing. Feedback =
corruption!

But you'll need someone that's done those type of transfers to help any
further. I think you need a parallel cable or fire wire or modem for machine to
machine transfers. Actually, what it sounds like you need to do is set upyour
Vista & XP on a home Intranet. That's beyond me. I have no use for 2 machines
being connected. Never much dug into how to setup an intranet. But I'm pretty
sure you can bet it isn't done with 1 USB cable. Actually, I'm partially wrong
here. I did build a cable for an office intranet once. There were something
like 100 pins to 1 cable. Not exactly a USB cable.

Do you have any other cables from the XP to the Vista plugged in ?

I'm thinking with the USB plugged in to do the transfer, you may be having
other issues. Such as you would with 2 similar objects trying to do the same
job at the same time. Best illustrated when you have a bad phone connection and
hear the neighbors yakking away in the background on your phone. Poor
connection causing interference. resulting in bad images. And I'm guessing if
you did the same type transfer with 'My Documents', you probably have
corruption in them also. They're just not as visible as an image or movie. ie:
You'd need to run a spell checker to be sure.

Take a look at the cable on your monitor.. See that large round oblong thing on
the line to the monitor ? That's a filter to prevent interference. ie: The
computer itself broadcasts interference. The monitor does also. a USB cable is
normally unfiltered. If you have 2 cables connecting the Vista with the XP,
that might be your problem. Do you have a USB printer connected to both
machines ? Try unplugging that cable and do a transfer.
Any other USB things connected to both machines you failed to mention ? Or list
them all again..

Take the above and see if it matches your setup.. I'm just guessing now.

Actually, I'm not sure what you are doing.. ie: put data on the stick viaUSB
from the XP, then move the USB cable on the stick from the XP to the vista and
try to download from the stick ?

It should work, but even though the stick has a USB connection, there is such a
thing as signal loss over any wires. Plugging the stick in directly to the
Vista or XP negates the signal loss. There really shouldn't be any signalloss
over a normal length USB cable, but there could be signal interference going
on. Signal loss, interference = poor transfer. That might explain the
differences you see in the transfers. No constant, except signal noise which
would be a variable resulting in a different corrupted image as long as the
interference is present.

I wouldn't rule out dirty contacts on either the USB device or the cable
itself. A rubber pencil eraser on the contacts should be able to restore them
if necessary.

See if any of the above sounds like your situation...
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A big hello to my friend ‘keepout’:

With respect to IV, in all of the cases you mentioned, the files were
corrupted, whether copying or simply viewing.

I have not emailed the ‘stick’ manufacturers with the
problem (yet). As this is supposed to be ‘plug-n-play’
equipment, I wanted to exhaust as many other possibilities as are
possible beforehand. But I fear that unless this is a popular problem
from many complainants, I doubt they would write a new driver for old
equipment (i.e. circa 2003 for XP) just for me?? I have not yet tried
any new storage devices to see if the same problems exist.

I have never tried to inter-connect the XP and Vista machines directly
via USB. Myself, I don’t see how that would be possible, as how
would one machine appear as an external device with respect to the
other? It would have to be peer-to-peer over a network, in which case
I think my transfers would be fine.

The file copies or reads that have exhibited my problem have always
been machine-to-storage-device, or storage-device-to-machine, both via
USB, i.e. the ‘stick’ has always been in the middle of the
transfer or read. In fact, file transfers from XP to Vista are not
even the issue for me any more (it was merely the initial required task
at hand).

I believe that the issue is simply the integrity of file transfers (or
application reads), between old USB storage devices that contain image
files that have been proven NOT to be corrupt, and a Vista (or possibly
just an Acer) PC.

I’m sorry that my writings put your thinking into the direction
of peer-to-peer. That's a whole other ball game. Thankfully, my
peer-to-peer transfers are fine.

I have eliminated the possibility of dirty contacts or abnormal length
of USB cable that might introduce signal loss as being culprits.

I sincerely thank you for all of your time and help! I am now
convinced that the answer lies in finding compatible drivers.

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