Hello,

I had fried my P4 2.4 GIGHTZ system so I am in the market for a new
computer. I am looking for a new computer looking at the Intel Quad Core 2.4
"standard sys requirements" that would come with this computer.

So, I am also a Sysop using Excalibur BBS which was developed under Windows
3.1 and 95-8 OS's. So it would use the WOW16Bit subset under windows xp pro
and is compatible.

Now for few years now I have been using here and there VMWare mostly for
Linux emulator never had a need for a windows simulation. However, I started
thinking I know: Scary--

I would like to know If anyone has attempted to use Vista home "activated"
software and then used VMware using Windows XP pro "Activated software". So
then, you of course use Windows XP pro. Please let me know how this worked
for you? I am quite circus on this. If anyone has worked on this project I
am wondering what the out come results are.

Thank you for looking at my Thread:

Brian Hastings
hastings1977@Verizon.net

Hello,

does it have to be VMWare for you? Microsoft VirtualPC 2007 is free and you
can - of course - use it for Windows.
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/pro...c/default.mspx

Greetings,
Paolo Di Stolfo

--
//-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
// http://blog.lysorp.com - small Windows Blog in German language
//-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

"Brian R Hastings" <Brian R Hastings@discussions.microsoft.com> schrieb im
Newsbeitrag news:C2699554-94E9-474B-BEFD-59E540824B6C@microsoft.com...
> Hello,
>
> I had fried my P4 2.4 GIGHTZ system so I am in the market for a new
> computer. I am looking for a new computer looking at the Intel Quad Core
> 2.4
> "standard sys requirements" that would come with this computer.
>
> So, I am also a Sysop using Excalibur BBS which was developed under
> Windows
> 3.1 and 95-8 OS's. So it would use the WOW16Bit subset under windows xp
> pro
> and is compatible.
>
> Now for few years now I have been using here and there VMWare mostly for
> Linux emulator never had a need for a windows simulation. However, I
> started
> thinking I know: Scary--
>
> I would like to know If anyone has attempted to use Vista home "activated"
> software and then used VMware using Windows XP pro "Activated software".
> So
> then, you of course use Windows XP pro. Please let me know how this worked
> for you? I am quite circus on this. If anyone has worked on this project
> I
> am wondering what the out come results are.
>
> Thank you for looking at my Thread:
>
> Brian Hastings
> hastings1977@Verizon.net
>

VMWare is much better then VirtualPC and yes its free


"P. Di Stolfo" <paolodistolfo********.com> wrote in message
news:4CD6B0CF-6402-4239-AAB8-D631B2EE3B27@microsoft.com...
> Hello,
>
> does it have to be VMWare for you? Microsoft VirtualPC 2007 is free and
> you can - of course - use it for Windows.
> http://www.microsoft.com/windows/pro...c/default.mspx
>
> Greetings,
> Paolo Di Stolfo
>
> --
> //-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> // http://blog.lysorp.com - small Windows Blog in German language
> //-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> "Brian R Hastings" <Brian R Hastings@discussions.microsoft.com> schrieb im
> Newsbeitrag news:C2699554-94E9-474B-BEFD-59E540824B6C@microsoft.com...
>> Hello,
>>
>> I had fried my P4 2.4 GIGHTZ system so I am in the market for a new
>> computer. I am looking for a new computer looking at the Intel Quad Core
>> 2.4
>> "standard sys requirements" that would come with this computer.
>>
>> So, I am also a Sysop using Excalibur BBS which was developed under
>> Windows
>> 3.1 and 95-8 OS's. So it would use the WOW16Bit subset under windows xp
>> pro
>> and is compatible.
>>
>> Now for few years now I have been using here and there VMWare mostly for
>> Linux emulator never had a need for a windows simulation. However, I
>> started
>> thinking I know: Scary--
>>
>> I would like to know If anyone has attempted to use Vista home
>> "activated"
>> software and then used VMware using Windows XP pro "Activated software".
>> So
>> then, you of course use Windows XP pro. Please let me know how this
>> worked
>> for you? I am quite circus on this. If anyone has worked on this project
>> I
>> am wondering what the out come results are.
>>
>> Thank you for looking at my Thread:
>>
>> Brian Hastings
>> hastings1977@Verizon.net
>>

VMWare Workstation, which you need to create a virtual machine, is NOT free.
The VMWare player is. The O/P would need VMWare Workstation to create/run
his virtual machine.

VirtualPC 2007, which can create a virtual machine - as well as run same, IS
free.

--


Regards,

Richard Urban
Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User
(For email, remove the obvious from my address)

Quote from George Ankner:
If you knew as much as you think you know,
You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!

"Bob" <Bob@somewhere.usa> wrote in message
news:F6CE512F-DEAF-4F02-ABF2-41170AFEBE83@microsoft.com...
> VMWare is much better then VirtualPC and yes its free
>
>
> "P. Di Stolfo" <paolodistolfo********.com> wrote in message
> news:4CD6B0CF-6402-4239-AAB8-D631B2EE3B27@microsoft.com...
>> Hello,
>>
>> does it have to be VMWare for you? Microsoft VirtualPC 2007 is free and
>> you can - of course - use it for Windows.
>> http://www.microsoft.com/windows/pro...c/default.mspx
>>
>> Greetings,
>> Paolo Di Stolfo
>>
>> --
>> //-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> // http://blog.lysorp.com - small Windows Blog in German language
>> //-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> "Brian R Hastings" <Brian R Hastings@discussions.microsoft.com> schrieb
>> im Newsbeitrag news:C2699554-94E9-474B-BEFD-59E540824B6C@microsoft.com...
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> I had fried my P4 2.4 GIGHTZ system so I am in the market for a new
>>> computer. I am looking for a new computer looking at the Intel Quad Core
>>> 2.4
>>> "standard sys requirements" that would come with this computer.
>>>
>>> So, I am also a Sysop using Excalibur BBS which was developed under
>>> Windows
>>> 3.1 and 95-8 OS's. So it would use the WOW16Bit subset under windows xp
>>> pro
>>> and is compatible.
>>>
>>> Now for few years now I have been using here and there VMWare mostly for
>>> Linux emulator never had a need for a windows simulation. However, I
>>> started
>>> thinking I know: Scary--
>>>
>>> I would like to know If anyone has attempted to use Vista home
>>> "activated"
>>> software and then used VMware using Windows XP pro "Activated software".
>>> So
>>> then, you of course use Windows XP pro. Please let me know how this
>>> worked
>>> for you? I am quite circus on this. If anyone has worked on this
>>> project I
>>> am wondering what the out come results are.
>>>
>>> Thank you for looking at my Thread:
>>>
>>> Brian Hastings
>>> hastings1977@Verizon.net
>>>
>

"Brian R Hastings" <Brian R Hastings@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote ...
> I would like to know If anyone has attempted to use Vista home "activated"
> software and then used VMware using Windows XP pro "Activated software".
> So
> then, you of course use Windows XP pro. Please let me know how this worked
> for you? I am quite circus on this. If anyone has worked on this project
> I

Hi Brian,

Virtual PC is an excellent tool for running virtual Windows machines. It can
run Windows XP, Vista,, Windows 23.x and even MS-DOS just fine.

However it sounds like you already own and run VMWare Workstation - am I
right? If so, Virtual PC doesn't offer any big technical advantages over
VMWare; they're pretty equivalent. The main adavanatge of Virtual PC is that
it provides a single-vendor solution, so there is seamless support from
Microsoft for the whole stack. If you encounter tech support issues on a
VMWare VM, and you need PSS to debug it, they may ask you to reporduce the
problem on physical hardware, first. On Virtual PC andVirtual Server, they
will debug in situ. See:
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/897615/en-us

It's not a good idea to have VMWare and Virtal PC (or Microsoft Virtual
Server) installed on the same machine. As long as they never run at the same
time, it's okay. If you accidently start VMWare while Virtual PC is running
(or vice versa) the machine will probably lock up solid and you need a hard
reboot.

You mention "Vista home"; I'm not sure if you mean, literally, Vista Home
Edition (either Basic or Premium). Vista Home edition runs fine in a VM,
from the technical perspective. But there is a stupid and offensive
licensing restriction in the Vista Home EULA, which prevents you from
running it as a guest in a VM. It is purely a licensing restiction, there is
no technical barrier. It applies to Virtual PC, VMWare, Xen, etc - all
virtualisation solutions. If you have an MSDN subscription, you can run a
Vista Home editoin in a VM, for development purposes.

Regarding activation, XP and Vista in a VM behave exactly teh same as on a
physical machine: after a short grace period, you must activate Windows in
order to keep it running. This applies to VMWare and Virtual PC, and all
other virtualisation products.

Hope that answers some of your questions.

--
Andrew McLaren
amclar (at) optusnet dot com dot au

* Richard Urban:
> VMWare Workstation, which you need to create a virtual machine, is NOT free.
> The VMWare player is. The O/P would need VMWare Workstation to create/run
> his virtual machine.
>
> VirtualPC 2007, which can create a virtual machine - as well as run same, IS
> free.

The OP could use VMWare Workstation free for 30 days,
create his virtual machine, and then continue using the vm with
the VMWare player. Or, he could spend some bucks and just buy
VMWare Workstation, which is far superior to any Microsoft
virtualization products. VPC 2007 is good, but even the free
VMWare Player is better at running virtual machines than VPC 2007.

If the user really wants the best, investing in VMWare Workstation
would be the smart thing to do.

http://www.vmware.com/download/ws/eval.html


-Michael

* Andrew McLaren:
> "Brian R Hastings" <Brian R Hastings@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote ...
>> I would like to know If anyone has attempted to use Vista home "activated"
>> software and then used VMware using Windows XP pro "Activated software".
>> So
>> then, you of course use Windows XP pro. Please let me know how this worked
>> for you? I am quite circus on this. If anyone has worked on this project
>> I
>
> Hi Brian,
>
> Virtual PC is an excellent tool for running virtual Windows machines. It can
> run Windows XP, Vista,, Windows 23.x and even MS-DOS just fine.
>
> However it sounds like you already own and run VMWare Workstation - am I
> right? If so, Virtual PC doesn't offer any big technical advantages over
> VMWare; they're pretty equivalent. The main adavanatge of Virtual PC is that
> it provides a single-vendor solution, so there is seamless support from
> Microsoft for the whole stack. If you encounter tech support issues on a
> VMWare VM, and you need PSS to debug it, they may ask you to reporduce the
> problem on physical hardware, first. On Virtual PC andVirtual Server, they
> will debug in situ. See:

<quote>
Virtual PC doesn't offer any big technical advantages over
VMWare; they're pretty equivalent
</quote>

Are you serious? VMWare is generations ahead of VPC 2007.


-Michael

Richard Urban wrote:

> VMWare Workstation, which you need to create a virtual machine, is NOT
> free. The VMWare player is. The O/P would need VMWare Workstation to
> create/run his virtual machine.
>
Bull****. Are you always this stupid or do you have to practise?

Shake Hands With,
Mr. Happy

--
"Cheer up, things could be worse." So I cheered up, installed Vista and
sure enough, things got worse.

* MICHAEL:
>
> * Richard Urban:
>> VMWare Workstation, which you need to create a virtual machine, is NOT free.
>> The VMWare player is. The O/P would need VMWare Workstation to create/run
>> his virtual machine.
>>
>> VirtualPC 2007, which can create a virtual machine - as well as run same, IS
>> free.
>
> The OP could use VMWare Workstation free for 30 days,
> create his virtual machine, and then continue using the vm with
> the VMWare player. Or, he could spend some bucks and just buy
> VMWare Workstation, which is far superior to any Microsoft
> virtualization products. VPC 2007 is good, but even the free
> VMWare Player is better at running virtual machines than VPC 2007.
>
> If the user really wants the best, investing in VMWare Workstation
> would be the smart thing to do.
>
> http://www.vmware.com/download/ws/eval.html

There are also other ways to create virtual machines that
the VMWare Player can use.

http://www.easyvmx.com/

http://petruska.stardock.net/Software/VMware.html


-Michael

"Andrew McLaren" wrote:


> You mention "Vista home"; I'm not sure if you mean, literally, Vista Home
> Edition (either Basic or Premium). Vista Home edition runs fine in a VM,
> from the technical perspective. But there is a stupid and offensive
> licensing restriction in the Vista Home EULA, which prevents you from
> running it as a guest in a VM. It is purely a licensing restiction, there is
> no technical barrier. It applies to Virtual PC, VMWare, Xen, etc - all
> virtualisation solutions. If you have an MSDN subscription, you can run a
> Vista Home editoin in a VM, for development purposes.
>
> Regarding activation, XP and Vista in a VM behave exactly teh same as on a
> physical machine: after a short grace period, you must activate Windows in
> order to keep it running. This applies to VMWare and Virtual PC, and all
> other virtualisation products.
>
> Hope that answers some of your questions.
>
> --
> Andrew McLaren
> amclar (at) optusnet dot com dot au
>
>

So if I understand correctly, that Microsoft conceder running virtual OS's
will not be supported if you called Microsoft for support? Am I understanding
that correctly?

"Brian R Hastings" <BrianRHastings@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote ...
> So if I understand correctly, that Microsoft conceder running virtual OS's
> will not be supported if you called Microsoft for support? Am I
> understanding
> that correctly?

Hi Brian,

Microsoft's support policy is described in the KnowledgeBase article:

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/897615/en-us

I can only paraphrse what is in that article. It's quite short.

--
Andrew McLaren
amclar (at) optusnet dot com dot au

I was talking about VMWare Server not Workstation and yes it is free and yes
you can create virtual machines.


"Richard Urban" <richardurbanREMOVETHIS********.com> wrote in message
news:eZELok%23yHHA.5376@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
> VMWare Workstation, which you need to create a virtual machine, is NOT
> free. The VMWare player is. The O/P would need VMWare Workstation to
> create/run his virtual machine.
>
> VirtualPC 2007, which can create a virtual machine - as well as run same,
> IS free.
>
> --
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Richard Urban
> Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User
> (For email, remove the obvious from my address)
>
> Quote from George Ankner:
> If you knew as much as you think you know,
> You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!
>
> "Bob" <Bob@somewhere.usa> wrote in message
> news:F6CE512F-DEAF-4F02-ABF2-41170AFEBE83@microsoft.com...
>> VMWare is much better then VirtualPC and yes its free
>>
>>
>> "P. Di Stolfo" <paolodistolfo********.com> wrote in message
>> news:4CD6B0CF-6402-4239-AAB8-D631B2EE3B27@microsoft.com...
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> does it have to be VMWare for you? Microsoft VirtualPC 2007 is free and
>>> you can - of course - use it for Windows.
>>> http://www.microsoft.com/windows/pro...c/default.mspx
>>>
>>> Greetings,
>>> Paolo Di Stolfo
>>>
>>> --
>>> //-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> // http://blog.lysorp.com - small Windows Blog in German language
>>> //-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>> "Brian R Hastings" <Brian R Hastings@discussions.microsoft.com> schrieb
>>> im Newsbeitrag
>>> news:C2699554-94E9-474B-BEFD-59E540824B6C@microsoft.com...
>>>> Hello,
>>>>
>>>> I had fried my P4 2.4 GIGHTZ system so I am in the market for a new
>>>> computer. I am looking for a new computer looking at the Intel Quad
>>>> Core 2.4
>>>> "standard sys requirements" that would come with this computer.
>>>>
>>>> So, I am also a Sysop using Excalibur BBS which was developed under
>>>> Windows
>>>> 3.1 and 95-8 OS's. So it would use the WOW16Bit subset under windows xp
>>>> pro
>>>> and is compatible.
>>>>
>>>> Now for few years now I have been using here and there VMWare mostly
>>>> for
>>>> Linux emulator never had a need for a windows simulation. However, I
>>>> started
>>>> thinking I know: Scary--
>>>>
>>>> I would like to know If anyone has attempted to use Vista home
>>>> "activated"
>>>> software and then used VMware using Windows XP pro "Activated
>>>> software". So
>>>> then, you of course use Windows XP pro. Please let me know how this
>>>> worked
>>>> for you? I am quite circus on this. If anyone has worked on this
>>>> project I
>>>> am wondering what the out come results are.
>>>>
>>>> Thank you for looking at my Thread:
>>>>
>>>> Brian Hastings
>>>> hastings1977@Verizon.net
>>>>
>>
>

Thank you for answering my concern. I now how to move forward.


"Andrew McLaren" wrote:

> "Brian R Hastings" <BrianRHastings@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote ...
> > So if I understand correctly, that Microsoft conceder running virtual OS's
> > will not be supported if you called Microsoft for support? Am I
> > understanding
> > that correctly?
>
> Hi Brian,
>
> Microsoft's support policy is described in the KnowledgeBase article:
>
> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/897615/en-us
>
> I can only paraphrse what is in that article. It's quite short.
>
> --
> Andrew McLaren
> amclar (at) optusnet dot com dot au
>
>
>

Re the EULA for Vista H/HP - this still confuses me -

4. USE WITH VIRTUALIZATION TECHNOLOGIES. You may not use the software
installed on the licensed device within a virtual (or otherwise emulated)
hardware system.

Does that mean that if the licensed device is a VM then one is OK?

"Andrew McLaren" <andrew@fakeaddress.com> wrote in message
news:67AEDD07-D51B-4443-BA2D-CDFBA504AFBA@microsoft.com...
> "Brian R Hastings" <Brian R Hastings@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote ...
>> I would like to know If anyone has attempted to use Vista home
>> "activated"
>> software and then used VMware using Windows XP pro "Activated software".
>> So
>> then, you of course use Windows XP pro. Please let me know how this
>> worked
>> for you? I am quite circus on this. If anyone has worked on this project
>> I
>
> Hi Brian,
>
> Virtual PC is an excellent tool for running virtual Windows machines. It
> can run Windows XP, Vista,, Windows 23.x and even MS-DOS just fine.
>
> However it sounds like you already own and run VMWare Workstation - am I
> right? If so, Virtual PC doesn't offer any big technical advantages over
> VMWare; they're pretty equivalent. The main adavanatge of Virtual PC is
> that it provides a single-vendor solution, so there is seamless support
> from Microsoft for the whole stack. If you encounter tech support issues
> on a VMWare VM, and you need PSS to debug it, they may ask you to
> reporduce the problem on physical hardware, first. On Virtual PC
> andVirtual Server, they will debug in situ. See:
> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/897615/en-us
>
> It's not a good idea to have VMWare and Virtal PC (or Microsoft Virtual
> Server) installed on the same machine. As long as they never run at the
> same time, it's okay. If you accidently start VMWare while Virtual PC is
> running (or vice versa) the machine will probably lock up solid and you
> need a hard reboot.
>
> You mention "Vista home"; I'm not sure if you mean, literally, Vista Home
> Edition (either Basic or Premium). Vista Home edition runs fine in a VM,
> from the technical perspective. But there is a stupid and offensive
> licensing restriction in the Vista Home EULA, which prevents you from
> running it as a guest in a VM. It is purely a licensing restiction, there
> is no technical barrier. It applies to Virtual PC, VMWare, Xen, etc - all
> virtualisation solutions. If you have an MSDN subscription, you can run a
> Vista Home editoin in a VM, for development purposes.
>
> Regarding activation, XP and Vista in a VM behave exactly teh same as on a
> physical machine: after a short grace period, you must activate Windows in
> order to keep it running. This applies to VMWare and Virtual PC, and all
> other virtualisation products.
>
> Hope that answers some of your questions.
>
> --
> Andrew McLaren
> amclar (at) optusnet dot com dot au
>