"Alias" <aka@maskedandanonymous.info> wrote in message
news:ucV5o74yHHA.5380@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...[color=blue]
> Lang Murphy wrote:[color=green]
>> I've said it many time before, and I'll say it again... nix ain't ready
>> for "Joe Normal."
>>
>> Sorry, I forget the person who suggested I try PCLinuxOS, and, that said,
>> I d/l'd it today and installed it on a desktop. (Tried installing it on a
>> laptop with a wireless NIC, but, uh, no go?)
>>
>> So I installed PCLOS, as it's called, on a desktop. Install went OK. Got
>> to the desktop fine. Where's the Network icon? None. How does one access
>> the local network? Ah, open "My Computer". Heh, heh, heh... then open
>> "Remote Places." Then open "Local Network", only to receive the msg "The
>> Lisa daemon does not appear to be running. In order to use the LAN
>> browser, the Lisa daemon must be installed and activated by the system
>> administrator."
>>
>> Uh, OK... where does one go from here? (NOT looking for answers from nix
>> folks, it's a rhetorical question.)
>>
>> Is it so hard to put a "Network" icon on the desktop?
>>
>> Is it so hard to have that functionality be transparent to the user? Is
>> the "Joe Normal" user going to know how to log on as administrator and
>> install and activate the Lisa daemon? Uh, no?
>>
>> OK... this may appear to be an attack on nix... it's not, believe me.
>> Were one to have the time to determine how to install and activate the
>> Lisa daemon... well, no issue, right? One can figure it out -eventually-,
>> right?
>>
>> And, of course, I'm not saying that Vista is "issue free." That said...
>> when I install Vista, I get a "Network" icon on the desktop that takes me
>> right to the stuff I'm tryng to access. No "install Lisa daemon" stuff...
>>
>> So, yeah, Vista's not "issue free." We all know it, and I'd be a dope to
>> claim otherwise.
>>
>> And I -am- most interested in trying different nix distros; ones that
>> might be considered "Joe Normal" friendly.
>>
>> Have yet to discover -that- nix distro.
>>
>> And, no, don't tell me Ubutnu. Been there, done that.
>>
>> Lang[/color]
>
> Ubuntu 7.04 has a network icon so you haven't been there or done that.
>
> Alias[/color]


Well... as someone pointed out to me as far as there being a network icon on
the Vista desktop... only if you put it there. Appears to be the same with
Ubuntu. No network icon on the desktop. Must hit "Places | Network" to get
there...

Lang

<snip>[color=blue]
> I usually only answer to posts such as the one by the original poster if I
> feel I have something to add to it that is constructive. I don't go around
> posting "Get Ubuntu" to users with Vista Problems nor do I engage in
> pissing contest like some people here like to do.
>
> So dunno, can't really answer that question. =)
>
> --
> Stephan
> 2003 Yamaha R6
>
> 君のこと思い出す日なんてないのは
> 君のこと忘れたときがないから[/color]

Stephan,

And the orignal poster THANKS you for your method of posting in this ng. For
real.

You may start to see posts from me in alt.os.linux.ubuntu... the appropriate
forum for questions and general hoo-ha Ubuntu flag waving.

Thanks again,

Lang

Lang Murphy wrote:[color=blue]
> "Alias" <aka@maskedandanonymous.info> wrote in message
> news:ucV5o74yHHA.5380@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...[color=green]
>> Lang Murphy wrote:[color=darkred]
>>> I've said it many time before, and I'll say it again... nix ain't
>>> ready for "Joe Normal."
>>>
>>> Sorry, I forget the person who suggested I try PCLinuxOS, and, that
>>> said, I d/l'd it today and installed it on a desktop. (Tried
>>> installing it on a laptop with a wireless NIC, but, uh, no go?)
>>>
>>> So I installed PCLOS, as it's called, on a desktop. Install went OK.
>>> Got to the desktop fine. Where's the Network icon? None. How does one
>>> access the local network? Ah, open "My Computer". Heh, heh, heh...
>>> then open "Remote Places." Then open "Local Network", only to receive
>>> the msg "The Lisa daemon does not appear to be running. In order to
>>> use the LAN browser, the Lisa daemon must be installed and activated
>>> by the system administrator."
>>>
>>> Uh, OK... where does one go from here? (NOT looking for answers from
>>> nix folks, it's a rhetorical question.)
>>>
>>> Is it so hard to put a "Network" icon on the desktop?
>>>
>>> Is it so hard to have that functionality be transparent to the user?
>>> Is the "Joe Normal" user going to know how to log on as administrator
>>> and install and activate the Lisa daemon? Uh, no?
>>>
>>> OK... this may appear to be an attack on nix... it's not, believe me.
>>> Were one to have the time to determine how to install and activate
>>> the Lisa daemon... well, no issue, right? One can figure it out
>>> -eventually-, right?
>>>
>>> And, of course, I'm not saying that Vista is "issue free." That
>>> said... when I install Vista, I get a "Network" icon on the desktop
>>> that takes me right to the stuff I'm tryng to access. No "install
>>> Lisa daemon" stuff...
>>>
>>> So, yeah, Vista's not "issue free." We all know it, and I'd be a dope
>>> to claim otherwise.
>>>
>>> And I -am- most interested in trying different nix distros; ones that
>>> might be considered "Joe Normal" friendly.
>>>
>>> Have yet to discover -that- nix distro.
>>>
>>> And, no, don't tell me Ubutnu. Been there, done that.
>>>
>>> Lang[/color]
>>
>> Ubuntu 7.04 has a network icon so you haven't been there or done that.
>>
>> Alias[/color]
>
>
> Well... as someone pointed out to me as far as there being a network
> icon on the Vista desktop... only if you put it there. Appears to be the
> same with Ubuntu. No network icon on the desktop. Must hit "Places |
> Network" to get there...
>
> Lang[/color]

Not with 7.04. The network icon is next to the clock.

Alias

* Lang Murphy:[color=blue]
> <snip>[color=green][color=darkred]
>>> And, no, don't tell me Ubutnu. Been there, done that.
>>>
>>> Lang[/color]
>> Why didn't you email me? All the questions you have can be
>> answered by google, too. It's okay to ask questions when you're
>> not sure what needs to be done, there are forums and websites-
>> just like there are for Vista and all Windows' products.
>>
>> Your experience with PCLinuxOS, or any Linux flavor for that
>> matter, may take some readjustments..... just like Window users
>> getting used to Vista- it's really not much different in the way one
>> has to retrain the brain/habits/familiarity. Perhaps, the terminologies
>> and placement of tools takes a bit getting used to in Linux compared
>> to Windows, and that should be expected after dealing with a
>> Windows world for so long. It's like moving to a new city and not
>> being able to find your way around, but eventually you do. Don't
>> let unfamiliar surroundings keep you from seeing and enjoying the sites.
>> Unfortunately, for many they only ever "visit" Linux as a tourist, and
>> never
>> really get the true experience or really learn how to navigate around....
>> they miss a lot and make far too many assumptions based on the Windows
>> world they came from. They cut their visit short and leave. In reality,
>> Linux
>> can offer them the exact same things that they believe only exist in their
>> gated Windows community.
>>
>> No, I haven't left Windows megalopolis, yet. But, I sure do get out
>> a lot more often than I ever did, and I've really started enjoying the
>> nice and comfortable ride... not many car-jackings around these parts,
>> either. The scenery is looking better all the time, too.[/color]
>
> Michael,
>
> Thanks for the reply. My intent, although probably not clearly stated, was
> to open a thread about the, er, intricacies, of getting any flavor of nix up
> and running, as compared to Vista. I guess, no... I know, that my attempts
> at getting any flavor of nix up and running are half-hearted, mainly because
> when I hit the wall, so to speak, I have no interest in trying to climb over
> that wall.
>
> Yes, my 20 years of Windows experience puts me at an advantage over those
> who don't "do" IT for a living. And, yes, my experience with Windows no
> doubt slants my perspective. I think the points you make are right on the
> money. That said, I think it's just too much to expect "Joe Normal" to jump
> into nix. I've seen some of the other replies about how "I've installed nix
> and my users are happy campers." Well... the users are happy campers because
> they've got an IT guy who takes care of any problems they have. Well... I
> know, as stated, that my Windows experience slants my perspective.
>
> I've still got PCLOS installed on a box here. When time allows, I will look
> further into the lisa thing.
>
> Again, thanks for the reply. And, as always, thanks for being civil; greatly
> appreciated![/color]

Lang,

I understand what you are saying. However, most "Joe normals" also
never actually install Windows, either. I'm sure if the only way you could
get Windows was to do the install yourself, there would be a lot more
problems.

I am absolutely no expert on Linux, I'll just google until I find
the answers I need.

Basically, Lisa is for LAN Browsing and Samba is for sharing.

Looking at the desktop Menu bar, look for the 5th icon from
the left, "Administration Center", click it. Then go "System".
Then "Enable or disable the system services".
The "Services and daemons" window will open up.
Then scroll down to Lisa. Click "Start", and check "On boot".

While your in Services, scroll down to "smb" and make
sure it's running and checked "On boot".

Some additional links that may help with PCLinuxOS;

[url]http://docs.pclinuxos.com/Samba[/url]

[url]http://www.pclinuxonline.com/wiki/PageIndex[/url]

[url]http://docs.kde.org/stable/en/kdenetwork/lisa/[/url]

One of the biggest hurdles overcoming when you first
try to use Linux is understanding the "language". Much
easier to understand if you can compare them to a
Windows' equivalent.

[url]http://www.linuxrsp.ru/win-lin-soft/table-eng.html[/url]
The table of equivalents / replacements / analogs of Windows software in Linux.

Even if you decide you just don't like Linux, that's cool.
We all like and dislike things for whatever reasons.... that's
our prerogative. I just hate to see folks make hasty decisions
based on ignorance and without really trying... that's not aimed
at you, Lang.

As I've said too many times already- I'm still a Windows guy and
have no plans to make any Linux flavor my main course anytime soon.
However, I certainly like trying new dishes.... there may come a time
when Windows may become too bitter tasting, or I may need to just
go on a diet because Windows gets stuffed with too much fat.
If any of that happens, I'll at least be familiar and un-intimidated by Linux.

It's always a pleasure having a discussion with you, Lang.


Take care,

Michael

On Sat, 21 Jul 2007 13:27:44 -0400, Lang Murphy wrote:
[color=blue]
> "Charlie Tame" <charlie@tames.net> wrote in message
> news:%23Zxa$W6yHHA.3400@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...[color=green]
>> Lang Murphy wrote:[color=darkred]
>>> I've said it many time before, and I'll say it again... nix ain't ready
>>> for "Joe Normal."
>>>
>>> Sorry, I forget the person who suggested I try PCLinuxOS, and, that said,
>>> I d/l'd it today and installed it on a desktop. (Tried installing it on a
>>> laptop with a wireless NIC, but, uh, no go?)
>>>
>>> So I installed PCLOS, as it's called, on a desktop. Install went OK. Got
>>> to the desktop fine. Where's the Network icon? None. How does one access
>>> the local network? Ah, open "My Computer". Heh, heh, heh... then open
>>> "Remote Places." Then open "Local Network", only to receive the msg "The
>>> Lisa daemon does not appear to be running. In order to use the LAN
>>> browser, the Lisa daemon must be installed and activated by the system
>>> administrator."
>>>
>>> Uh, OK... where does one go from here? (NOT looking for answers from nix
>>> folks, it's a rhetorical question.)
>>>
>>> Is it so hard to put a "Network" icon on the desktop?
>>>
>>> Is it so hard to have that functionality be transparent to the user? Is
>>> the "Joe Normal" user going to know how to log on as administrator and
>>> install and activate the Lisa daemon? Uh, no?
>>>
>>> OK... this may appear to be an attack on nix... it's not, believe me.
>>> Were one to have the time to determine how to install and activate the
>>> Lisa daemon... well, no issue, right? One can figure it out -eventually-,
>>> right?
>>>
>>> And, of course, I'm not saying that Vista is "issue free." That said...
>>> when I install Vista, I get a "Network" icon on the desktop that takes me
>>> right to the stuff I'm tryng to access. No "install Lisa daemon" stuff...
>>>
>>> So, yeah, Vista's not "issue free." We all know it, and I'd be a dope to
>>> claim otherwise.
>>>
>>> And I -am- most interested in trying different nix distros; ones that
>>> might be considered "Joe Normal" friendly.
>>>
>>> Have yet to discover -that- nix distro.
>>>
>>> And, no, don't tell me Ubutnu. Been there, done that.
>>>
>>> Lang[/color]
>>
>>
>> Strange, I had no such trouble. My biggest problem thus far has been with
>> Video drivers and Printers.
>>
>> However you do mention one of the major irritations of Vista, ie things
>> not being where expected or even where they would be logical. These
>> cosmetic changes impose a quite unnecessary learning curve on users.
>>
>> You said
>>
>> Is it so hard to have that functionality be transparent to the user? Is
>> the "Joe Normal" user going to know how to log on as administrator and
>> install and activate the Lisa daemon? Uh, no?
>>
>> So why is the user who is moving to Vista expected to know that
>> "Add/Remove" programs is gone and hiding in control panel when all the
>> other control panel stuff is elsewhere? Why disguise display resolution as
>> something else?
>>
>> You are citing unfamiliarity as a problem yet Vista has it designed in...
>>
>> What I see so far is a slower, more awkward, more cumbersome version of XP
>> with fancy visual effects. When you look at what is really "New" there is
>> very little, well, maybe a mail client that's already on it's third
>> replacement cycle and still doesn't actually work :)[/color]
>
>
> Charlie,
>
> Good points all. No doubt Vista's UI is worlds apart from XP's. The thing I
> like about the "new" CP is its search box. Not sure where they put
> Add/Remove programs? Try the search box. I use it quite often. To good
> effect, I think.
>
> And, I guess, folks might have problems with drivers and printers with
> Vista. That issue is keeping me from installing Vista on one of my personal
> PC's. I have legacy hw that doesn't have Vista drivers. Or... nix drivers.
> So I'm stuck with XP on that box until I can upgrade my hw to Vista
> compatible stuff.[/color]

What legacy hw that doesn't have *nix drivers? Just curious.

--
Stephan
2003 Yamaha R6

君のこと思い出す日なんてないのは
君のこと忘れたときがないから

On Mon, 23 Jul 2007 11:36:40 +0200, Alias wrote:
[color=blue]
> Lang Murphy wrote:[color=green]
>> "Alias" <aka@maskedandanonymous.info> wrote in message
>> news:ucV5o74yHHA.5380@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...[color=darkred]
>>> Lang Murphy wrote:
>>>> I've said it many time before, and I'll say it again... nix ain't
>>>> ready for "Joe Normal."
>>>>
>>>> Sorry, I forget the person who suggested I try PCLinuxOS, and, that
>>>> said, I d/l'd it today and installed it on a desktop. (Tried
>>>> installing it on a laptop with a wireless NIC, but, uh, no go?)
>>>>
>>>> So I installed PCLOS, as it's called, on a desktop. Install went OK.
>>>> Got to the desktop fine. Where's the Network icon? None. How does one
>>>> access the local network? Ah, open "My Computer". Heh, heh, heh...
>>>> then open "Remote Places." Then open "Local Network", only to receive
>>>> the msg "The Lisa daemon does not appear to be running. In order to
>>>> use the LAN browser, the Lisa daemon must be installed and activated
>>>> by the system administrator."
>>>>
>>>> Uh, OK... where does one go from here? (NOT looking for answers from
>>>> nix folks, it's a rhetorical question.)
>>>>
>>>> Is it so hard to put a "Network" icon on the desktop?
>>>>
>>>> Is it so hard to have that functionality be transparent to the user?
>>>> Is the "Joe Normal" user going to know how to log on as administrator
>>>> and install and activate the Lisa daemon? Uh, no?
>>>>
>>>> OK... this may appear to be an attack on nix... it's not, believe me.
>>>> Were one to have the time to determine how to install and activate
>>>> the Lisa daemon... well, no issue, right? One can figure it out
>>>> -eventually-, right?
>>>>
>>>> And, of course, I'm not saying that Vista is "issue free." That
>>>> said... when I install Vista, I get a "Network" icon on the desktop
>>>> that takes me right to the stuff I'm tryng to access. No "install
>>>> Lisa daemon" stuff...
>>>>
>>>> So, yeah, Vista's not "issue free." We all know it, and I'd be a dope
>>>> to claim otherwise.
>>>>
>>>> And I -am- most interested in trying different nix distros; ones that
>>>> might be considered "Joe Normal" friendly.
>>>>
>>>> Have yet to discover -that- nix distro.
>>>>
>>>> And, no, don't tell me Ubutnu. Been there, done that.
>>>>
>>>> Lang
>>>
>>> Ubuntu 7.04 has a network icon so you haven't been there or done that.
>>>
>>> Alias[/color]
>>
>>
>> Well... as someone pointed out to me as far as there being a network
>> icon on the Vista desktop... only if you put it there. Appears to be the
>> same with Ubuntu. No network icon on the desktop. Must hit "Places |
>> Network" to get there...
>>
>> Lang[/color]
>
> Not with 7.04. The network icon is next to the clock.[/color]

Alias, he means the network explorer, not the network connection status
indicator. =)

Which yes, as lang correctly stated, is under Places->Network =)

--
Stephan
2003 Yamaha R6

君のこと思い出す日なんてないのは
君のこと忘れたときがないから

Now, now.....

There's no place in this newsgroup for a calm, coolheaded, evenhanded and
logical response such as yours, Michael. :)

And the version of Linux that I decided to run in my Virtual Machine, on
Vista, is PCLinuxOS.
It is VERY much better then Ubunttu. Very well put together. It wont replace
Vista on my machine, but If I couldn't afford Vista (and all the other
pro-aps I use), I would be running PCLinuxOS as my primary OS.

Kurt
[color=blue]
> Even if you decide you just don't like Linux, that's cool.
> We all like and dislike things for whatever reasons.... that's
> our prerogative. I just hate to see folks make hasty decisions
> based on ignorance and without really trying... that's not aimed
> at you, Lang.
>
> As I've said too many times already- I'm still a Windows guy and
> have no plans to make any Linux flavor my main course anytime soon.
> However, I certainly like trying new dishes.... there may come a time
> when Windows may become too bitter tasting, or I may need to just
> go on a diet because Windows gets stuffed with too much fat.
> If any of that happens, I'll at least be familiar and un-intimidated by
> Linux.
>
> It's always a pleasure having a discussion with you, Lang.
>
>
> Take care,
>
> Michael[/color]

Thanks, Kurt. :-)

Take care,

Michael

* Kurt Herman:[color=blue]
> Now, now.....
>
> There's no place in this newsgroup for a calm, coolheaded, evenhanded and
> logical response such as yours, Michael. :)
>
> And the version of Linux that I decided to run in my Virtual Machine, on
> Vista, is PCLinuxOS.
> It is VERY much better then Ubunttu. Very well put together. It wont replace
> Vista on my machine, but If I couldn't afford Vista (and all the other
> pro-aps I use), I would be running PCLinuxOS as my primary OS.
>
> Kurt
>[color=green]
>> Even if you decide you just don't like Linux, that's cool.
>> We all like and dislike things for whatever reasons.... that's
>> our prerogative. I just hate to see folks make hasty decisions
>> based on ignorance and without really trying... that's not aimed
>> at you, Lang.
>>
>> As I've said too many times already- I'm still a Windows guy and
>> have no plans to make any Linux flavor my main course anytime soon.
>> However, I certainly like trying new dishes.... there may come a time
>> when Windows may become too bitter tasting, or I may need to just
>> go on a diet because Windows gets stuffed with too much fat.
>> If any of that happens, I'll at least be familiar and un-intimidated by
>> Linux.
>>
>> It's always a pleasure having a discussion with you, Lang.
>>
>>
>> Take care,
>>
>> Michael[/color]
>[/color]

"Stephan Rose" <nospam@spammer.com> wrote in message
news:lNSdnfb49cpAVTnbRVnytAA@giganews.com...[color=blue]
> On Sat, 21 Jul 2007 13:27:44 -0400, Lang Murphy wrote:
>[color=green]
>> "Charlie Tame" <charlie@tames.net> wrote in message
>> news:%23Zxa$W6yHHA.3400@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...[color=darkred]
>>> Lang Murphy wrote:
>>>> I've said it many time before, and I'll say it again... nix ain't ready
>>>> for "Joe Normal."
>>>>
>>>> Sorry, I forget the person who suggested I try PCLinuxOS, and, that
>>>> said,
>>>> I d/l'd it today and installed it on a desktop. (Tried installing it on
>>>> a
>>>> laptop with a wireless NIC, but, uh, no go?)
>>>>
>>>> So I installed PCLOS, as it's called, on a desktop. Install went OK.
>>>> Got
>>>> to the desktop fine. Where's the Network icon? None. How does one
>>>> access
>>>> the local network? Ah, open "My Computer". Heh, heh, heh... then open
>>>> "Remote Places." Then open "Local Network", only to receive the msg
>>>> "The
>>>> Lisa daemon does not appear to be running. In order to use the LAN
>>>> browser, the Lisa daemon must be installed and activated by the system
>>>> administrator."
>>>>
>>>> Uh, OK... where does one go from here? (NOT looking for answers from
>>>> nix
>>>> folks, it's a rhetorical question.)
>>>>
>>>> Is it so hard to put a "Network" icon on the desktop?
>>>>
>>>> Is it so hard to have that functionality be transparent to the user? Is
>>>> the "Joe Normal" user going to know how to log on as administrator and
>>>> install and activate the Lisa daemon? Uh, no?
>>>>
>>>> OK... this may appear to be an attack on nix... it's not, believe me.
>>>> Were one to have the time to determine how to install and activate the
>>>> Lisa daemon... well, no issue, right? One can figure it
>>>> out -eventually-,
>>>> right?
>>>>
>>>> And, of course, I'm not saying that Vista is "issue free." That said...
>>>> when I install Vista, I get a "Network" icon on the desktop that takes
>>>> me
>>>> right to the stuff I'm tryng to access. No "install Lisa daemon"
>>>> stuff...
>>>>
>>>> So, yeah, Vista's not "issue free." We all know it, and I'd be a dope
>>>> to
>>>> claim otherwise.
>>>>
>>>> And I -am- most interested in trying different nix distros; ones that
>>>> might be considered "Joe Normal" friendly.
>>>>
>>>> Have yet to discover -that- nix distro.
>>>>
>>>> And, no, don't tell me Ubutnu. Been there, done that.
>>>>
>>>> Lang
>>>
>>>
>>> Strange, I had no such trouble. My biggest problem thus far has been
>>> with
>>> Video drivers and Printers.
>>>
>>> However you do mention one of the major irritations of Vista, ie things
>>> not being where expected or even where they would be logical. These
>>> cosmetic changes impose a quite unnecessary learning curve on users.
>>>
>>> You said
>>>
>>> Is it so hard to have that functionality be transparent to the user? Is
>>> the "Joe Normal" user going to know how to log on as administrator and
>>> install and activate the Lisa daemon? Uh, no?
>>>
>>> So why is the user who is moving to Vista expected to know that
>>> "Add/Remove" programs is gone and hiding in control panel when all the
>>> other control panel stuff is elsewhere? Why disguise display resolution
>>> as
>>> something else?
>>>
>>> You are citing unfamiliarity as a problem yet Vista has it designed
>>> in...
>>>
>>> What I see so far is a slower, more awkward, more cumbersome version of
>>> XP
>>> with fancy visual effects. When you look at what is really "New" there
>>> is
>>> very little, well, maybe a mail client that's already on it's third
>>> replacement cycle and still doesn't actually work :)[/color]
>>
>>
>> Charlie,
>>
>> Good points all. No doubt Vista's UI is worlds apart from XP's. The thing
>> I
>> like about the "new" CP is its search box. Not sure where they put
>> Add/Remove programs? Try the search box. I use it quite often. To good
>> effect, I think.
>>
>> And, I guess, folks might have problems with drivers and printers with
>> Vista. That issue is keeping me from installing Vista on one of my
>> personal
>> PC's. I have legacy hw that doesn't have Vista drivers. Or... nix
>> drivers.
>> So I'm stuck with XP on that box until I can upgrade my hw to Vista
>> compatible stuff.[/color]
>
> What legacy hw that doesn't have *nix drivers? Just curious.
>
> --
> Stephan
> 2003 Yamaha R6
>
> 君のこと思い出す日なんてないのは
> 君のこと忘れたときがないから[/color]


ATI TV Tuner card... uh, hmm... lemme look... ATI TV Wonder Pro.

And... Plextor xConvert PX-M402U.

But... I think we should really continue this thread over in
alt.os.linux.ubuntu. (Not your fault for -asking- here... I started this
thread... but think we should move it...)

Regards,

Lang

"Stephan Rose" <nospam@spammer.com> wrote in message
news:lNSdnfH49cowVDnbRVnytAA@giganews.com...[color=blue]
> On Mon, 23 Jul 2007 11:36:40 +0200, Alias wrote:
>[color=green]
>> Lang Murphy wrote:[color=darkred]
>>> "Alias" <aka@maskedandanonymous.info> wrote in message
>>> news:ucV5o74yHHA.5380@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>>> Lang Murphy wrote:
>>>>> I've said it many time before, and I'll say it again... nix ain't
>>>>> ready for "Joe Normal."
>>>>>
>>>>> Sorry, I forget the person who suggested I try PCLinuxOS, and, that
>>>>> said, I d/l'd it today and installed it on a desktop. (Tried
>>>>> installing it on a laptop with a wireless NIC, but, uh, no go?)
>>>>>
>>>>> So I installed PCLOS, as it's called, on a desktop. Install went OK.
>>>>> Got to the desktop fine. Where's the Network icon? None. How does one
>>>>> access the local network? Ah, open "My Computer". Heh, heh, heh...
>>>>> then open "Remote Places." Then open "Local Network", only to receive
>>>>> the msg "The Lisa daemon does not appear to be running. In order to
>>>>> use the LAN browser, the Lisa daemon must be installed and activated
>>>>> by the system administrator."
>>>>>
>>>>> Uh, OK... where does one go from here? (NOT looking for answers from
>>>>> nix folks, it's a rhetorical question.)
>>>>>
>>>>> Is it so hard to put a "Network" icon on the desktop?
>>>>>
>>>>> Is it so hard to have that functionality be transparent to the user?
>>>>> Is the "Joe Normal" user going to know how to log on as administrator
>>>>> and install and activate the Lisa daemon? Uh, no?
>>>>>
>>>>> OK... this may appear to be an attack on nix... it's not, believe me.
>>>>> Were one to have the time to determine how to install and activate
>>>>> the Lisa daemon... well, no issue, right? One can figure it out
>>>>> -eventually-, right?
>>>>>
>>>>> And, of course, I'm not saying that Vista is "issue free." That
>>>>> said... when I install Vista, I get a "Network" icon on the desktop
>>>>> that takes me right to the stuff I'm tryng to access. No "install
>>>>> Lisa daemon" stuff...
>>>>>
>>>>> So, yeah, Vista's not "issue free." We all know it, and I'd be a dope
>>>>> to claim otherwise.
>>>>>
>>>>> And I -am- most interested in trying different nix distros; ones that
>>>>> might be considered "Joe Normal" friendly.
>>>>>
>>>>> Have yet to discover -that- nix distro.
>>>>>
>>>>> And, no, don't tell me Ubutnu. Been there, done that.
>>>>>
>>>>> Lang
>>>>
>>>> Ubuntu 7.04 has a network icon so you haven't been there or done that.
>>>>
>>>> Alias
>>>
>>>
>>> Well... as someone pointed out to me as far as there being a network
>>> icon on the Vista desktop... only if you put it there. Appears to be the
>>> same with Ubuntu. No network icon on the desktop. Must hit "Places |
>>> Network" to get there...
>>>
>>> Lang[/color]
>>
>> Not with 7.04. The network icon is next to the clock.[/color]
>
> Alias, he means the network explorer, not the network connection status
> indicator. =)
>
> Which yes, as lang correctly stated, is under Places->Network =)
>
> --
> Stephan
> 2003 Yamaha R6
>
> 君のこと思い出す日なんてないのは
> 君のこと忘れたときがないから[/color]


Correct, sir!

Lang

"MICHAEL" <u158627_emr2@dslr.net> wrote in message
news:%23iHcFaTzHHA.1204@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...[color=blue]
>* Lang Murphy:[color=green]
>> <snip>[color=darkred]
>>>> And, no, don't tell me Ubutnu. Been there, done that.
>>>>
>>>> Lang
>>> Why didn't you email me? All the questions you have can be
>>> answered by google, too. It's okay to ask questions when you're
>>> not sure what needs to be done, there are forums and websites-
>>> just like there are for Vista and all Windows' products.
>>>
>>> Your experience with PCLinuxOS, or any Linux flavor for that
>>> matter, may take some readjustments..... just like Window users
>>> getting used to Vista- it's really not much different in the way one
>>> has to retrain the brain/habits/familiarity. Perhaps, the terminologies
>>> and placement of tools takes a bit getting used to in Linux compared
>>> to Windows, and that should be expected after dealing with a
>>> Windows world for so long. It's like moving to a new city and not
>>> being able to find your way around, but eventually you do. Don't
>>> let unfamiliar surroundings keep you from seeing and enjoying the sites.
>>> Unfortunately, for many they only ever "visit" Linux as a tourist, and
>>> never
>>> really get the true experience or really learn how to navigate
>>> around....
>>> they miss a lot and make far too many assumptions based on the Windows
>>> world they came from. They cut their visit short and leave. In
>>> reality,
>>> Linux
>>> can offer them the exact same things that they believe only exist in
>>> their
>>> gated Windows community.
>>>
>>> No, I haven't left Windows megalopolis, yet. But, I sure do get out
>>> a lot more often than I ever did, and I've really started enjoying the
>>> nice and comfortable ride... not many car-jackings around these parts,
>>> either. The scenery is looking better all the time, too.[/color]
>>
>> Michael,
>>
>> Thanks for the reply. My intent, although probably not clearly stated,
>> was
>> to open a thread about the, er, intricacies, of getting any flavor of nix
>> up
>> and running, as compared to Vista. I guess, no... I know, that my
>> attempts
>> at getting any flavor of nix up and running are half-hearted, mainly
>> because
>> when I hit the wall, so to speak, I have no interest in trying to climb
>> over
>> that wall.
>>
>> Yes, my 20 years of Windows experience puts me at an advantage over those
>> who don't "do" IT for a living. And, yes, my experience with Windows no
>> doubt slants my perspective. I think the points you make are right on the
>> money. That said, I think it's just too much to expect "Joe Normal" to
>> jump
>> into nix. I've seen some of the other replies about how "I've installed
>> nix
>> and my users are happy campers." Well... the users are happy campers
>> because
>> they've got an IT guy who takes care of any problems they have. Well... I
>> know, as stated, that my Windows experience slants my perspective.
>>
>> I've still got PCLOS installed on a box here. When time allows, I will
>> look
>> further into the lisa thing.
>>
>> Again, thanks for the reply. And, as always, thanks for being civil;
>> greatly
>> appreciated![/color]
>
> Lang,
>
> I understand what you are saying. However, most "Joe normals" also
> never actually install Windows, either. I'm sure if the only way you
> could
> get Windows was to do the install yourself, there would be a lot more
> problems.
>
> I am absolutely no expert on Linux, I'll just google until I find
> the answers I need.
>
> Basically, Lisa is for LAN Browsing and Samba is for sharing.
>
> Looking at the desktop Menu bar, look for the 5th icon from
> the left, "Administration Center", click it. Then go "System".
> Then "Enable or disable the system services".
> The "Services and daemons" window will open up.
> Then scroll down to Lisa. Click "Start", and check "On boot".
>
> While your in Services, scroll down to "smb" and make
> sure it's running and checked "On boot".
>
> Some additional links that may help with PCLinuxOS;
>
> [url]http://docs.pclinuxos.com/Samba[/url]
>
> [url]http://www.pclinuxonline.com/wiki/PageIndex[/url]
>
> [url]http://docs.kde.org/stable/en/kdenetwork/lisa/[/url]
>
> One of the biggest hurdles overcoming when you first
> try to use Linux is understanding the "language". Much
> easier to understand if you can compare them to a
> Windows' equivalent.
>
> [url]http://www.linuxrsp.ru/win-lin-soft/table-eng.html[/url]
> The table of equivalents / replacements / analogs of Windows software in
> Linux.
>
> Even if you decide you just don't like Linux, that's cool.
> We all like and dislike things for whatever reasons.... that's
> our prerogative. I just hate to see folks make hasty decisions
> based on ignorance and without really trying... that's not aimed
> at you, Lang.
>
> As I've said too many times already- I'm still a Windows guy and
> have no plans to make any Linux flavor my main course anytime soon.
> However, I certainly like trying new dishes.... there may come a time
> when Windows may become too bitter tasting, or I may need to just
> go on a diet because Windows gets stuffed with too much fat.
> If any of that happens, I'll at least be familiar and un-intimidated by
> Linux.
>
> It's always a pleasure having a discussion with you, Lang.
>
>
> Take care,
>
> Michael[/color]


Michael,

Thanks for the detailed response. Sorry to say, I installed Ubuntu on the
seat that had PCLinuxOS installed. Yes, I guess it was Samba that I was in
need of... if i wanted to view shares on the network and that's the app to
do it?

I must admit... I didn't have to deal with any of that in Ubuntu... but
we're quickly approaching the "stepping WAY over the OT line" by continuing
in this direction in this thread in this ng. (Yes! I started the thread! I'm
at fault! Sue me! <grin>)

Anywho... again, thanks for the detailed reply... I'll save it for future
reference.

Lang

On Sat, 21 Jul 2007 02:23:05 -0400, "Lang Murphy"
<lang_murphy********.com> wrote:
[color=blue]
>I've said it many time before, and I'll say it again... nix ain't ready for
>"Joe Normal."
>
>Sorry, I forget the person who suggested I try PCLinuxOS, and, that said, I
>d/l'd it today and installed it on a desktop. (Tried installing it on a
>laptop with a wireless NIC, but, uh, no go?)
>
>So I installed PCLOS, as it's called, on a desktop. Install went OK. Got to
>the desktop fine. Where's the Network icon? None. How does one access the
>local network? Ah, open "My Computer". Heh, heh, heh... then open "Remote
>Places." Then open "Local Network", only to receive the msg "The Lisa daemon
>does not appear to be running. In order to use the LAN browser, the Lisa
>daemon must be installed and activated by the system administrator."
>
>Uh, OK... where does one go from here? (NOT looking for answers from nix
>folks, it's a rhetorical question.)
>
>Is it so hard to put a "Network" icon on the desktop?
>
>Is it so hard to have that functionality be transparent to the user? Is the
>"Joe Normal" user going to know how to log on as administrator and install
>and activate the Lisa daemon? Uh, no?
>
>OK... this may appear to be an attack on nix... it's not, believe me. Were
>one to have the time to determine how to install and activate the Lisa
>daemon... well, no issue, right? One can figure it out -eventually-, right?
>
>And, of course, I'm not saying that Vista is "issue free." That said... when
>I install Vista, I get a "Network" icon on the desktop that takes me right
>to the stuff I'm tryng to access. No "install Lisa daemon" stuff...
>
>So, yeah, Vista's not "issue free." We all know it, and I'd be a dope to
>claim otherwise.
>
>And I -am- most interested in trying different nix distros; ones that might
>be considered "Joe Normal" friendly.
>
>Have yet to discover -that- nix distro.
>
>And, no, don't tell me Ubutnu. Been there, done that.
>
>Lang[/color]
Is this not just a pitiful attempt at trolling? To troll you need to
find a pro-Linux newsgroup and tell them that there OS of choice is no
good.

Here, you are dealing with people who are interested in WINDOWS so
they really don't give a rat's backside about your Linux
experience...or do you lack friends and try to make some by getting
them to empathise with you?

It's an OS and not a religion or lifestyle choice. If you are too
daft to figure it out, that is your problem. I was not and managed
to...but I am back with Windows for now because I was interested in it
and my work requirements are met by it. I have XP Pro in my office
which is alright when it is not installing updates, telling me that I
need to reboot, crashing programs, crashing itself and possible
getting a virus. At home I have Vista with which I get on just fine
for the most part.

Still use a Mac for some things. Sometimes miss Linux and fire up a
live CD just to refresh my memory. Does that make me a bad or
inadequate person?

Thanks.

Snuff

On Tue, 24 Jul 2007 18:02:09 +0000, Snuff wrote:
[color=blue]
> On Sat, 21 Jul 2007 02:23:05 -0400, "Lang Murphy"
> <lang_murphy********.com> wrote:
>[color=green]
>>I've said it many time before, and I'll say it again... nix ain't ready for
>>"Joe Normal."
>>
>>Sorry, I forget the person who suggested I try PCLinuxOS, and, that said, I
>>d/l'd it today and installed it on a desktop. (Tried installing it on a
>>laptop with a wireless NIC, but, uh, no go?)
>>
>>So I installed PCLOS, as it's called, on a desktop. Install went OK. Got to
>>the desktop fine. Where's the Network icon? None. How does one access the
>>local network? Ah, open "My Computer". Heh, heh, heh... then open "Remote
>>Places." Then open "Local Network", only to receive the msg "The Lisa daemon
>>does not appear to be running. In order to use the LAN browser, the Lisa
>>daemon must be installed and activated by the system administrator."
>>
>>Uh, OK... where does one go from here? (NOT looking for answers from nix
>>folks, it's a rhetorical question.)
>>
>>Is it so hard to put a "Network" icon on the desktop?
>>
>>Is it so hard to have that functionality be transparent to the user? Is the
>>"Joe Normal" user going to know how to log on as administrator and install
>>and activate the Lisa daemon? Uh, no?
>>
>>OK... this may appear to be an attack on nix... it's not, believe me. Were
>>one to have the time to determine how to install and activate the Lisa
>>daemon... well, no issue, right? One can figure it out -eventually-, right?
>>
>>And, of course, I'm not saying that Vista is "issue free." That said... when
>>I install Vista, I get a "Network" icon on the desktop that takes me right
>>to the stuff I'm tryng to access. No "install Lisa daemon" stuff...
>>
>>So, yeah, Vista's not "issue free." We all know it, and I'd be a dope to
>>claim otherwise.
>>
>>And I -am- most interested in trying different nix distros; ones that might
>>be considered "Joe Normal" friendly.
>>
>>Have yet to discover -that- nix distro.
>>
>>And, no, don't tell me Ubutnu. Been there, done that.
>>
>>Lang[/color]
> Is this not just a pitiful attempt at trolling? To troll you need to
> find a pro-Linux newsgroup and tell them that there OS of choice is no
> good.
>
> Here, you are dealing with people who are interested in WINDOWS so
> they really don't give a rat's backside about your Linux
> experience...or do you lack friends and try to make some by getting
> them to empathise with you?
>
> It's an OS and not a religion or lifestyle choice. If you are too
> daft to figure it out, that is your problem. I was not and managed
> to...but I am back with Windows for now because I was interested in it
> and my work requirements are met by it. I have XP Pro in my office
> which is alright when it is not installing updates, telling me that I
> need to reboot, crashing programs, crashing itself and possible
> getting a virus. At home I have Vista with which I get on just fine
> for the most part.
>
> Still use a Mac for some things. Sometimes miss Linux and fire up a
> live CD just to refresh my memory. Does that make me a bad or
> inadequate person?[/color]

Frank would have you burned at the stake for it!

--
Stephan
2003 Yamaha R6

君のこと思い出す日なんてないのは
君のこと忘れたときがないから

"Lang Murphy" <lang_murphy********.com> wrote in
news:OczfScOzHHA.464@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl:
[color=blue]
> I wrote a bunch of replies yesterday... for some reason, they didn't
> make it out of my outbox... just sent them now... I was not ignoring
> the first 10 or so responses... appears there are a few more now...
>
> Lang[/color]

I never did get that whole move to outbox and send when I check thing.

When I click send, I want it to send !! Now !!

No why should it, I use XP, Vista and Ubuntu but here it is for Vista users
questions.

--
Ian

"Snuff" <snuffin@all2worry4.com> wrote in message
news:jdfca39tbnk3dqchttlbl3ap3mvutj4dba@4ax.com...[color=blue]
> On Sat, 21 Jul 2007 02:23:05 -0400, "Lang Murphy"
> <lang_murphy********.com> wrote:
>[color=green]
>>I've said it many time before, and I'll say it again... nix ain't ready
>>for
>>"Joe Normal."
>>
>>Sorry, I forget the person who suggested I try PCLinuxOS, and, that said,
>>I
>>d/l'd it today and installed it on a desktop. (Tried installing it on a
>>laptop with a wireless NIC, but, uh, no go?)
>>
>>So I installed PCLOS, as it's called, on a desktop. Install went OK. Got
>>to
>>the desktop fine. Where's the Network icon? None. How does one access the
>>local network? Ah, open "My Computer". Heh, heh, heh... then open "Remote
>>Places." Then open "Local Network", only to receive the msg "The Lisa
>>daemon
>>does not appear to be running. In order to use the LAN browser, the Lisa
>>daemon must be installed and activated by the system administrator."
>>
>>Uh, OK... where does one go from here? (NOT looking for answers from nix
>>folks, it's a rhetorical question.)
>>
>>Is it so hard to put a "Network" icon on the desktop?
>>
>>Is it so hard to have that functionality be transparent to the user? Is
>>the
>>"Joe Normal" user going to know how to log on as administrator and install
>>and activate the Lisa daemon? Uh, no?
>>
>>OK... this may appear to be an attack on nix... it's not, believe me. Were
>>one to have the time to determine how to install and activate the Lisa
>>daemon... well, no issue, right? One can figure it out -eventually-,
>>right?
>>
>>And, of course, I'm not saying that Vista is "issue free." That said...
>>when
>>I install Vista, I get a "Network" icon on the desktop that takes me right
>>to the stuff I'm tryng to access. No "install Lisa daemon" stuff...
>>
>>So, yeah, Vista's not "issue free." We all know it, and I'd be a dope to
>>claim otherwise.
>>
>>And I -am- most interested in trying different nix distros; ones that
>>might
>>be considered "Joe Normal" friendly.
>>
>>Have yet to discover -that- nix distro.
>>
>>And, no, don't tell me Ubutnu. Been there, done that.
>>
>>Lang[/color]
> Is this not just a pitiful attempt at trolling? To troll you need to
> find a pro-Linux newsgroup and tell them that there OS of choice is no
> good.
>
> Here, you are dealing with people who are interested in WINDOWS so
> they really don't give a rat's backside about your Linux
> experience...or do you lack friends and try to make some by getting
> them to empathise with you?
>
> It's an OS and not a religion or lifestyle choice. If you are too
> daft to figure it out, that is your problem. I was not and managed
> to...but I am back with Windows for now because I was interested in it
> and my work requirements are met by it. I have XP Pro in my office
> which is alright when it is not installing updates, telling me that I
> need to reboot, crashing programs, crashing itself and possible
> getting a virus. At home I have Vista with which I get on just fine
> for the most part.
>
> Still use a Mac for some things. Sometimes miss Linux and fire up a
> live CD just to refresh my memory. Does that make me a bad or
> inadequate person?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Snuff
>[/color]