It just doesn't work. Not even for simple jobs. I just wasted fifteen
minutes trying to delete a few thousand files. Using the next to
useless Windows Explorer (I known, silly me) I selected the folder and
said delete it. It started up, after a few seconds instead of showing
it making progress it says moving 0 files with 0 bytes. OK, I think
it's done or almost. After all, how long should it take to just delete
files? Well it wasn't done, it hadn't even started yet. So I wait. And
wait some more. What the heck, I got other things to do, I'll come
back. Five minutes later, stuck on 0 bytes moved. So I click on
Explorer. Bad idea, screen now fades to white, application not
responding, Explorer needs to close message.

I start over, well you dumb piece of crap if you're too dumb to delete
a folder, I'll try to select all the files in the folder and delete
them that way. Same thing happens. Starts to pretend it is deleting
files, doesn't really, then again throws up moving 0 files, 0 bytes.
Again Vista says Explorer needs to close.

Well screw you Microsoft. just let me shut down Explorer. Can't.
Application hanging, couple minutes later; Explorer does close then
proceeds to redrawn my desktop icons. LOL!

So I fire up Directory Opus a way better shell. Takes 2 seconds flat
to delete the folder. One simple click. No nagging, no stalling, no
screwing up. It just works.

Microsoft how can you stay in business when you can't even write a
simple routine to delete files without half the time the process
either taking anywhere from 20 to 50 times longer than competing
products or hanging or crashing?

"Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message
news:l2af93t35c1jqn0satd891jj96v4fohbn2@4ax.com...
> It just doesn't work. Not even for simple jobs. I just wasted fifteen
> minutes trying to delete a few thousand files. Using the next to
> useless Windows Explorer (I known, silly me) I selected the folder and
> said delete it. It started up, after a few seconds instead of showing
> it making progress it says moving 0 files with 0 bytes. OK, I think
> it's done or almost. After all, how long should it take to just delete
> files? Well it wasn't done, it hadn't even started yet. So I wait. And
> wait some more. What the heck, I got other things to do, I'll come
> back. Five minutes later, stuck on 0 bytes moved. So I click on
> Explorer. Bad idea, screen now fades to white, application not
> responding, Explorer needs to close message.
>
> I start over, well you dumb piece of crap if you're too dumb to delete
> a folder, I'll try to select all the files in the folder and delete
> them that way. Same thing happens. Starts to pretend it is deleting
> files, doesn't really, then again throws up moving 0 files, 0 bytes.
> Again Vista says Explorer needs to close.
>
> Well screw you Microsoft. just let me shut down Explorer. Can't.
> Application hanging, couple minutes later; Explorer does close then
> proceeds to redrawn my desktop icons. LOL!
>
> So I fire up Directory Opus a way better shell. Takes 2 seconds flat
> to delete the folder. One simple click. No nagging, no stalling, no
> screwing up. It just works.
>
> Microsoft how can you stay in business when you can't even write a
> simple routine to delete files without half the time the process
> either taking anywhere from 20 to 50 times longer than competing
> products or hanging or crashing?


Hummm. I don't have that problem. Must not be Vista.

If you're that frustrated with Vista, why not go back to XP? I'm thinking of
the same thing because I just purchased some new software that is having
problems with Vista. Yes, its's a pain to reload XP, but hey, I've loaded
XP so many times, I'm use to it.


"Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message
news:l2af93t35c1jqn0satd891jj96v4fohbn2@4ax.com...
> It just doesn't work. Not even for simple jobs. I just wasted fifteen
> minutes trying to delete a few thousand files. Using the next to
> useless Windows Explorer (I known, silly me) I selected the folder and
> said delete it. It started up, after a few seconds instead of showing
> it making progress it says moving 0 files with 0 bytes. OK, I think
> it's done or almost. After all, how long should it take to just delete
> files? Well it wasn't done, it hadn't even started yet. So I wait. And
> wait some more. What the heck, I got other things to do, I'll come
> back. Five minutes later, stuck on 0 bytes moved. So I click on
> Explorer. Bad idea, screen now fades to white, application not
> responding, Explorer needs to close message.
>
> I start over, well you dumb piece of crap if you're too dumb to delete
> a folder, I'll try to select all the files in the folder and delete
> them that way. Same thing happens. Starts to pretend it is deleting
> files, doesn't really, then again throws up moving 0 files, 0 bytes.
> Again Vista says Explorer needs to close.
>
> Well screw you Microsoft. just let me shut down Explorer. Can't.
> Application hanging, couple minutes later; Explorer does close then
> proceeds to redrawn my desktop icons. LOL!
>
> So I fire up Directory Opus a way better shell. Takes 2 seconds flat
> to delete the folder. One simple click. No nagging, no stalling, no
> screwing up. It just works.
>
> Microsoft how can you stay in business when you can't even write a
> simple routine to delete files without half the time the process
> either taking anywhere from 20 to 50 times longer than competing
> products or hanging or crashing?
>

On Fri, 13 Jul 2007 09:54:45 -0700, "Bill Yanaire" <bill@yanaire.com>
wrote:

>If you're that frustrated with Vista, why not go back to XP? I'm thinking of
>the same thing because I just purchased some new software that is having
>problems with Vista. Yes, its's a pain to reload XP, but hey, I've loaded
>XP so many times, I'm use to it.

That isn't the point. You buy something, especially a product that has
been around for over 21 years, you expect the **** thing to WORK. I
can accept NEW features not working in a new version of Windows, I can
accept some new software or new hardware not working correctly until
Microsoft gets off their butt and releases a service pack, but I ****
well refuse to accept something as basic as copying/moving or deleting
files, a core feature of ANY OS to be this badly broken. There simply
is no excuse. BTW, this is far from the first time I've seen this. It
doesn't happen a lot, but enough to be very annoying.

Below space reserved for the usual suspects to make the usual excuses
for Microsoft. It seems to be a reflex action for the fanboy crowd.

On Fri, 13 Jul 2007 16:51:51 GMT, "Mellowed" <nospam@spam.com> wrote:

>
>"Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message
>news:l2af93t35c1jqn0satd891jj96v4fohbn2@4ax.com.. .
>> It just doesn't work. Not even for simple jobs. I just wasted fifteen
>> minutes trying to delete a few thousand files. Using the next to
>> useless Windows Explorer (I known, silly me) I selected the folder and
>> said delete it. It started up, after a few seconds instead of showing
>> it making progress it says moving 0 files with 0 bytes. OK, I think
>> it's done or almost. After all, how long should it take to just delete
>> files? Well it wasn't done, it hadn't even started yet. So I wait. And
>> wait some more. What the heck, I got other things to do, I'll come
>> back. Five minutes later, stuck on 0 bytes moved. So I click on
>> Explorer. Bad idea, screen now fades to white, application not
>> responding, Explorer needs to close message.
>>
>> I start over, well you dumb piece of crap if you're too dumb to delete
>> a folder, I'll try to select all the files in the folder and delete
>> them that way. Same thing happens. Starts to pretend it is deleting
>> files, doesn't really, then again throws up moving 0 files, 0 bytes.
>> Again Vista says Explorer needs to close.
>>
>> Well screw you Microsoft. just let me shut down Explorer. Can't.
>> Application hanging, couple minutes later; Explorer does close then
>> proceeds to redrawn my desktop icons. LOL!
>>
>> So I fire up Directory Opus a way better shell. Takes 2 seconds flat
>> to delete the folder. One simple click. No nagging, no stalling, no
>> screwing up. It just works.
>>
>> Microsoft how can you stay in business when you can't even write a
>> simple routine to delete files without half the time the process
>> either taking anywhere from 20 to 50 times longer than competing
>> products or hanging or crashing?
>
>
>Hummm. I don't have that problem. Must not be Vista.

Your ignorance is showing.

I agree with you 100%, but I guess after all the releases from Microsoft, we
know that their products don't work as advertised, but should. There is no
excuse to put out sloppy code and if I programmed they way that Microsoft
does, I'd be stocking shelves at Target! I would rather see Microsoft
spend their time making the product right the first time, but they really
don't have any competetion so there is no incentive to do so. It is "Test
In Production"! Unfortunate but true.


"Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message
news:8fdf9316763ebf4aps24dct9v949rlbuka@4ax.com...
> On Fri, 13 Jul 2007 09:54:45 -0700, "Bill Yanaire" <bill@yanaire.com>
> wrote:
>
>>If you're that frustrated with Vista, why not go back to XP? I'm thinking
>>of
>>the same thing because I just purchased some new software that is having
>>problems with Vista. Yes, its's a pain to reload XP, but hey, I've loaded
>>XP so many times, I'm use to it.
>
> That isn't the point. You buy something, especially a product that has
> been around for over 21 years, you expect the **** thing to WORK. I
> can accept NEW features not working in a new version of Windows, I can
> accept some new software or new hardware not working correctly until
> Microsoft gets off their butt and releases a service pack, but I ****
> well refuse to accept something as basic as copying/moving or deleting
> files, a core feature of ANY OS to be this badly broken. There simply
> is no excuse. BTW, this is far from the first time I've seen this. It
> doesn't happen a lot, but enough to be very annoying.
>
> Below space reserved for the usual suspects to make the usual excuses
> for Microsoft. It seems to be a reflex action for the fanboy crowd.
>

* Adam Albright:
> So I fire up Directory Opus a way better shell. Takes 2 seconds flat
> to delete the folder. One simple click. No nagging, no stalling, no
> screwing up. It just works.
>
> Microsoft how can you stay in business when you can't even write a
> simple routine to delete files without half the time the process
> either taking anywhere from 20 to 50 times longer than competing
> products or hanging or crashing?

Directory Opus is far superior to Windows Explorer...
I gave up a long time ago on Windows Explorer. I sort
of used to put up with Windows Explorer in XP. But, now
Explorer is just pitiful in Vista, and I use Directory Opus
all the time. Even though XP's Windows Explorer wasn't
the most stable, it could at least delete and transfer files
much faster than Vista.


-Michael

"Bill Yanaire" <bill@yanaire.com> wrote in message
news:%23MOGqZXxHHA.4384@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>I agree with you 100%, but I guess after all the releases from Microsoft,
>we know that their products don't work as advertised, but should. There is
>no excuse to put out sloppy code and if I programmed they way that
>Microsoft does, I'd be stocking shelves at Target! I would rather see
>Microsoft spend their time making the product right the first time, but
>they really don't have any competetion so there is no incentive to do so.
>It is "Test In Production"! Unfortunate but true.



Lets see. The last time I installed Ubuntu 7.04 (about 3 weeks after it was
released) there were already about 70 updates available for the ****ed
thing. It wasn't ready for distribution as per your thinking.

On Fri, 13 Jul 2007 19:33:24 +0100, ArameFarpado
<a-farpado.spam@netcabo.pt> wrote:

>Em Sexta, 13 de Julho de 2007 17:46, Adam Albright escreveu:
>
>> I just wasted fifteen
>> minutes trying to delete a few thousand files.
>
>
>this reminds me of a situation i have lived:
>
>i have in work a dvd with authentication keys that we must use regularity,
>normaly the dvd only acessed by a eprom-flash writing program and it does
>it acessing teh dvd in background. one day, while programing a flash, the
>program tells me i don't have the authentication key name xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx,
>so i took the dvd out and put it on a winxp machine, when i try to view it's
>contents, file explorer crashed... dvd out, killed the crashed explorer,
>dvd in, ooen and crash again.

That's a good story. It seems Windows often doesn't see the forest for
the trees.

On Fri, 13 Jul 2007 10:51:16 -0700, "Bill Yanaire" <bill@yanaire.com>
wrote:

>I agree with you 100%, but I guess after all the releases from Microsoft, we
>know that their products don't work as advertised, but should. There is no
>excuse to put out sloppy code and if I programmed they way that Microsoft
>does, I'd be stocking shelves at Target! I would rather see Microsoft
>spend their time making the product right the first time, but they really
>don't have any competetion so there is no incentive to do so. It is "Test
>In Production"! Unfortunate but true.

I think part of the reason that Windows often doesn't work as expected
is it never is really tested in real world situations. Just to give
people an idea why I was deleting so many files. Sometimes I have a
video that just won't open or if it does it hangs in several places
along the timeline. So one way to get around that is open the video
file in an application like XnView that will automatically convert the
video into a series of still images. So even with just a couple
minutes of video you can end up thousands of still images. You then
import them back into your video editing application (for me, Vegas)
then set the size to correspond to the frame rate the video will play
back at so you get roughly thirty still images a second. Once you do
that you have a clean video file which you can work with.

That was what I was doing. So I just tried to delete the thousands of
still images I no longer needed. Obviously Microsoft doesn't test any
of their products very well. They probably tested the copy/move/delete
routine using a handful of files, maybe a hundred or two then they
wrongly concluded, hey this works ok.

What Vista has trouble with working on a large volume of files at once
I don't really know or care. Could be it is actually dumb enough to
try to create thumbnails even for files headed for the Recycle Bin,
maybe they run through some DRM routine or do some verification of
file permissions or something else. Whatever is happening it is just
plain stupid and frustrating to users.

When you tell the OS you are deleting X number of files it should
dispatch with the job quickly, not scan, not check, nothing but what
it needs to do to simply and quickly move them to the Recycle Bin.
That's what Directory Opus did, easily and quickly.

Instead Windows Explorer tries, get bogged down in the process because
of too much overhead, then locks you out, won't let you cancel and you
have to wait on Windows to let the **** thing crash. Not very smart
programming.

Adam Albright wrote:
> It just doesn't work. Not even for simple jobs. I just wasted fifteen
> minutes trying to delete a few thousand files. Using the next to
> useless Windows Explorer (I known, silly me) I selected the folder and
> said delete it. It started up, after a few seconds instead of showing
> it making progress it says moving 0 files with 0 bytes. OK, I think
> it's done or almost. After all, how long should it take to just delete
> files? Well it wasn't done, it hadn't even started yet. So I wait. And
> wait some more. What the heck, I got other things to do, I'll come
> back. Five minutes later, stuck on 0 bytes moved. So I click on
> Explorer. Bad idea, screen now fades to white, application not
> responding, Explorer needs to close message.
>
> I start over, well you dumb piece of crap if you're too dumb to delete
> a folder, I'll try to select all the files in the folder and delete
> them that way. Same thing happens. Starts to pretend it is deleting
> files, doesn't really, then again throws up moving 0 files, 0 bytes.
> Again Vista says Explorer needs to close.
>
> Well screw you Microsoft. just let me shut down Explorer. Can't.
> Application hanging, couple minutes later; Explorer does close then
> proceeds to redrawn my desktop icons. LOL!
>
> So I fire up Directory Opus a way better shell. Takes 2 seconds flat
> to delete the folder. One simple click. No nagging, no stalling, no
> screwing up. It just works.
>
> Microsoft how can you stay in business when you can't even write a
> simple routine to delete files without half the time the process
> either taking anywhere from 20 to 50 times longer than competing
> products or hanging or crashing?

Vista may be making backups of the things you're trying to delete just in
case you made a mistake.

Richard Urban wrote:
>
>
>
> "Bill Yanaire" <bill@yanaire.com> wrote in message
> news:%23MOGqZXxHHA.4384@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>> I agree with you 100%, but I guess after all the releases from
>> Microsoft, we know that their products don't work as advertised, but
>> should. There is no excuse to put out sloppy code and if I programmed
>> they way that Microsoft does, I'd be stocking shelves at Target! I
>> would rather see Microsoft spend their time making the product right
>> the first time, but they really don't have any competetion so there is
>> no incentive to do so. It is "Test In Production"! Unfortunate but true.
>
>
>
> Lets see. The last time I installed Ubuntu 7.04 (about 3 weeks after it
> was released) there were already about 70 updates available for the
> ****ed thing. It wasn't ready for distribution as per your thinking.

And where in this thread was anything about ubuntu mentioned prior to
you doing so?
--
norm

Em Sexta, 13 de Julho de 2007 22:04, HeyBub escreveu:

> Adam Albright wrote:
>
> Vista may be making backups of the things you're trying to delete just in
> case you made a mistake.


WOW !!!!!

So, dumb recycle bin is not enought to vista??



this is absurd, no computer should never desobey his owner, if the guy told
him to delete is because he wants it delete, period!!!

computers sould not have opinions of any king, just play good dogs and obey.

you know the fiction of matrix and terminator?
i fear going the microsoft are going, one day it would not be fiction any
more...

computers should work for us, and we don't want there opinions, neither
there decisions... they are just crap peaces of plastic and metal... tools
and nothing more, and should never go beyond that!

one of the reasons windows is so weak with malware is because it obeys
faster to a peace of software other then obeying it's user...

Em Sexta, 13 de Julho de 2007 21:39, Adam Albright escreveu:

>
> That's a good story. It seems Windows often doesn't see the forest for
> the trees.

you said "trying to delete a few thousand files" and i though there might be
a connection here...
windows gets wierd when we have large numbers of files in the same folder.

It doesn't. I brought it in.

I am just saying that because something needs updates it doesn't mean it is
not ready for distribution - any software product, operating system or
program.

--


Regards,

Richard Urban
Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User
(For email, remove the obvious from my address)



"norm" <noone@afakeddomain.net> wrote in message
news:OQK5dHZxHHA.4300@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> Richard Urban wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> "Bill Yanaire" <bill@yanaire.com> wrote in message
>> news:%23MOGqZXxHHA.4384@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>> I agree with you 100%, but I guess after all the releases from
>>> Microsoft, we know that their products don't work as advertised, but
>>> should. There is no excuse to put out sloppy code and if I programmed
>>> they way that Microsoft does, I'd be stocking shelves at Target! I
>>> would rather see Microsoft spend their time making the product right the
>>> first time, but they really don't have any competetion so there is no
>>> incentive to do so. It is "Test In Production"! Unfortunate but true.
>>
>>
>>
>> Lets see. The last time I installed Ubuntu 7.04 (about 3 weeks after it
>> was released) there were already about 70 updates available for the
>> ****ed thing. It wasn't ready for distribution as per your thinking.
>
> And where in this thread was anything about ubuntu mentioned prior to you
> doing so?
> --
> norm