[email]keepout******.com.inva[/email]lid wrote:[color=blue]
> On Mon, 09 Jul 2007 01:00:08 +0200, Alias <aka@maskedandanonymous.info> wrote:
>[color=green]
>> So don't use them.[/color]
>
> That right there is the BEST registry cleaner. NONE.
> If someone wants to mess up their machine, just run regedit and start deleting things.
> There's NEVER any need to physically by hand delete registry keys.
> The key's are just taking up drive space until needed. Get a bigger HD if the registry's that big.[/color]

I use SystemSuite5 and Crap Cleaner all the time and have never had a
problem on five Windows machines since 2000 when I started using first
SystemSuite4 and, later, Crap Cleaner. They have improved the
performance of my computers and have been *very* useful cleaning up the
crap that uninstalls and installs leave behind. As registry bloat is a
gradual thing, you don't even notice that your computer is getting
slower but it is.

Alias

lookup

"Alias" <aka@maskedandanonymous.info> wrote in message
news:Or15UlbwHHA.3560@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...[color=blue]
> [email]keepout******.com.inva[/email]lid wrote:[color=green]
>> On Mon, 09 Jul 2007 01:00:08 +0200, Alias <aka@maskedandanonymous.info>
>> wrote:
>>[color=darkred]
>>> So don't use them.[/color]
>>
>> That right there is the BEST registry cleaner. NONE.
>> If someone wants to mess up their machine, just run regedit and start
>> deleting things.
>> There's NEVER any need to physically by hand delete registry keys.
>> The key's are just taking up drive space until needed. Get a bigger HD if
>> the registry's that big.[/color]
>
> I use SystemSuite5 and Crap Cleaner all the time and have never had a
> problem on five Windows machines since 2000 when I started using first
> SystemSuite4 and, later, Crap Cleaner. They have improved the performance
> of my computers and have been *very* useful cleaning up the crap that
> uninstalls and installs leave behind. As registry bloat is a gradual
> thing, you don't even notice that your computer is getting slower but it
> is.
>
> Alias[/color]

On Sun, 08 Jul 2007 22:35:45 +0100, Mac wrote:
[color=blue]
> [url]http://onecare.live.com/site/en-gb/default.htm?s_cid=ideas[/url] ?
>
> Q. Why would anyone want to use a beta version of a MS registry cleaner?[/color]

A. Because they are perfectly happy using a beta version of the Operating
System.

--
Stephan
2003 Yamaha R6

君のこと思い出す日なんてないのは
君のこと忘れたときがないから

lol

"Stephan Rose" <nospam@spammer.com> wrote in message
news:xdudnULRgrqN5QzbRVnygwA@giganews.com...[color=blue]
> On Sun, 08 Jul 2007 22:35:45 +0100, Mac wrote:
>[color=green]
>> [url]http://onecare.live.com/site/en-gb/default.htm?s_cid=ideas[/url] ?
>>
>> Q. Why would anyone want to use a beta version of a MS registry cleaner?[/color]
>
> A. Because they are perfectly happy using a beta version of the Operating
> System.
>
> --
> Stephan
> 2003 Yamaha R6
>
> 君のこと思い出す日なんてないのは
> 君のこと忘れたときがないから[/color]

* OzBoy:[color=blue]
> Bit lost here, thought the poster asked for a registry cleaner not
> whether they work or not and especially not for the flaming that went
> on. Only been coming here for a couple of weeks and was very surprised
> by the contents of this post. Thought the idea was to help people????
> Confused.[/color]

Pointing out the possible dangers of registry cleaners
*is* helping the user.... and other users who may read the
posts. This debate comes up every time registry cleaners
are mentioned. I think a lot of the debate is a good thing-
it allows lurkers or others who may come across the posts later,
to see the good, the bad and the ugly of registry cleaners.
For the most part, I think using them are a bad idea... used only
as a last resort. They can be helpful, *if* you know what you
are deleting or "cleaning/fixing".... most average users have no idea.

User beware, have backups, and be prepared to live and learn...
maybe a hard lesson. Then again, most of us have been there,
done that. Perhaps, it's his turn.

At least now, the OP has received the various POV and can make
his own decision.... armed with a little more insight.


-Michael

On Mon, 09 Jul 2007 00:00:58 -0400, MICHAEL <u158627_emr2@dslr.net>
wrote:
[color=blue]
>* OzBoy:[color=green]
>> Bit lost here, thought the poster asked for a registry cleaner not
>> whether they work or not and especially not for the flaming that went
>> on. Only been coming here for a couple of weeks and was very surprised
>> by the contents of this post. Thought the idea was to help people????
>> Confused.[/color]
>
>Pointing out the possible dangers of registry cleaners
>*is* helping the user.... and other users who may read the
>posts. This debate comes up every time registry cleaners
>are mentioned. I think a lot of the debate is a good thing-
>it allows lurkers or others who may come across the posts later,
>to see the good, the bad and the ugly of registry cleaners.
>For the most part, I think using them are a bad idea... used only
>as a last resort. They can be helpful, *if* you know what you
>are deleting or "cleaning/fixing".... most average users have no idea.
>
>User beware, have backups, and be prepared to live and learn...
>maybe a hard lesson. Then again, most of us have been there,
>done that. Perhaps, it's his turn.
>
>At least now, the OP has received the various POV and can make
>his own decision.... armed with a little more insight.
>
>
>-Michael[/color]

You know, not one of you anti-Registry Clearer guys have offered a
shred of evidence to support your claims. Nothing but the usual hot
air and the thinly veiled take my advice I know more than you BS
that's always present.

Give me some FACTS. Cite chapter and verse, not just bloated opinion.

Any application used improperly can pose a danger. Like Vista itself.
Funny the fanboys never ever are critical of the biggest enemy to PCs
everywhere: Windows. The point here being there would be little need
for Registry Cleaners IF Windows actually knew how to totally delete
applications you no longer wanted. The truth is it often doesn't clean
up totally and Windows is in part to blame. You would think with all
the mindless nag screens Vista has, it would be smart enough to pop up
a warning box saying such and such entry in Registry points to
nowhere. Wishful thinking.

* Adam Albright:[color=blue]
> On Mon, 09 Jul 2007 00:00:58 -0400, MICHAEL <u158627_emr2@dslr.net>
> wrote:
>[color=green]
>> * OzBoy:[color=darkred]
>>> Bit lost here, thought the poster asked for a registry cleaner not
>>> whether they work or not and especially not for the flaming that went
>>> on. Only been coming here for a couple of weeks and was very surprised
>>> by the contents of this post. Thought the idea was to help people????
>>> Confused.[/color]
>> Pointing out the possible dangers of registry cleaners
>> *is* helping the user.... and other users who may read the
>> posts. This debate comes up every time registry cleaners
>> are mentioned. I think a lot of the debate is a good thing-
>> it allows lurkers or others who may come across the posts later,
>> to see the good, the bad and the ugly of registry cleaners.
>> For the most part, I think using them are a bad idea... used only
>> as a last resort. They can be helpful, *if* you know what you
>> are deleting or "cleaning/fixing".... most average users have no idea.
>>
>> User beware, have backups, and be prepared to live and learn...
>> maybe a hard lesson. Then again, most of us have been there,
>> done that. Perhaps, it's his turn.
>>
>> At least now, the OP has received the various POV and can make
>> his own decision.... armed with a little more insight.
>>
>>
>> -Michael[/color]
>
> You know, not one of you anti-Registry Clearer guys have offered a
> shred of evidence to support your claims. Nothing but the usual hot
> air and the thinly veiled take my advice I know more than you BS
> that's always present.[/color]

Adam,

I never said I was "anti" anything, you big dummy.

Take a breath, put down the booze, pull your finger(s)
out of your bung hole, and know there are other ways
than just your way..... you're just as guilty as those you accuse.


-Michael

* OzBoy:[color=blue]
> MICHAEL;374457 Wrote:[color=green]
>> * OzBoy:[color=darkred]
>>> Bit lost here, thought the poster asked for a registry cleaner not
>>> whether they work or not and especially not for the flaming that[/color]
>> went[color=darkred]
>>> on. Only been coming here for a couple of weeks and was very[/color]
>> surprised[color=darkred]
>>> by the contents of this post. Thought the idea was to help[/color]
>> people????[color=darkred]
>>> Confused.[/color]
>> Pointing out the possible dangers of registry cleaners
>> *is* helping the user.... and other users who may read the
>> posts. This debate comes up every time registry cleaners
>> are mentioned. I think a lot of the debate is a good thing-
>> it allows lurkers or others who may come across the posts later,
>> to see the good, the bad and the ugly of registry cleaners.
>> For the most part, I think using them are a bad idea... used only
>> as a last resort. They can be helpful, *if* you know what you
>> are deleting or "cleaning/fixing".... most average users have no idea.
>>
>> User beware, have backups, and be prepared to live and learn...
>> maybe a hard lesson. Then again, most of us have been there,
>> done that. Perhaps, it's his turn.
>>
>> At least now, the OP has received the various POV and can make
>> his own decision.... armed with a little more insight.
>>
>>
>> -Michael[/color]
> Hi Michael
>
> Understand exactly where you coming from but wouldn't it be best to
> have a thread titled "Are registry cleaners any good?" and then let
> people put there comments up. This thread is entitled best registry
> cleaner for windows and over 6 pages I think only 4 are mentioned.
>
> But I do understand what you mean just a little surprised at the some
> of the posts under this topic.....no doubt I will continue to be
> surprised as I get to know the site and it's members a little better.
>
> Cheers OzBoy[/color]

Since this is a very busy group, I think it works a bit better
to just address issues as they come up, instead of adding
random discussion topics.

Either way, I reckon there will alway be folks who have very
strong opinions and things can get heated at times... no biggie.

Registry cleaners *can* be dangerous, they *may* be helpful.
I wouldn't suggest people use them as part of routine maintenance.
But, they may be useful when trying to fix a specific problem.
I think for most users, CrapCleaner should be fine. It doesn't
"dig" too deep and prompts to make a backup.

Stick around, OZ. You might find there are actually some
helpful folks around here and quite a bit of good info.
I've been participating in this group since June 2006, and
I really believe I've gotten a great deal from this group.


Take care,

Michael

But if I had a car, and took out the V6 engine, and put in a V8 engine, I
would want the V6 distributor out, because it isn't doing anything.


"Myweb" <meiweb@gmx.de> wrote in message
news:ff16fb663e4008c98ed164ba10d0@msnews.microsoft.com...[color=blue]
> Hello Arun,
>
> For what did you have the need for cleaning your registry? If you delete
> something without knowledge and about the need for the entry you can break
> your system. Then maybe you have to reinstall. So why not using it like it
> is? If you buy a car you also will not take out some electronic or some
> devices from the engine.
>
> Best regards
>
> Myweb
> Disclaimer: This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and
> confers no rights.
>[color=green]
>> Can any One Suggest Best Registry Cleaner And residual file Cleaner
>> for vista Ultimate.............
>>[/color]
>
>[/color]


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On Sun, 8 Jul 2007 22:28:58 -0500, OzBoy
[color=blue]
>Bit lost here, thought the poster asked for a registry cleaner not
>whether they work or not and especially not for the flaming that went
>on. Only been coming here for a couple of weeks and was very surprised
>by the contents of this post. Thought the idea was to help people????
>Confused.[/color]

What is being <ahem> "robustly debated" here, is whether there's any
point in registry cleaners at all, or more accuratrely, whether the
expected gains outweigh the risks.

Firstly; just how much performance impact does registry bloat have?
It may have been an issue in the Win95 days, especially when there
were 16-bit size limits on some registry structures, but now?

Secondly; are registry cleaners safe? The track record casts doubts
here, as often the OS or its apps have evolved to create registry
items that appear to be redundent, and are thus inappropriately
"cleaned", by registry cleaners.

The latter is one reason why a cleaner from MS may be on interest; at
least it will (or should) stay in synch with the way the evolving OS
changes the nature of registry usage.


Then again, the contents of the registry are defined not by the OS or
registry, but by the apps that create and use their keys.

You see this with file association issues and filespec parameters;
some apps require these to be "in quotes" to prevent spaces within the
filespec from being mistaken for an end-of-parameter delimiter, and
others will not work if these quotes are added.

For example, some graphic apps won't "find" target files unless "%1"
is used instead of %1, while others won't work with "%1".

Ambiguities in the way things are specified may cause some registry
entries to appear redundant, e.g. when matching...

%Variable%\Some Path
%Variable%\SomePa~1
"C:\Program Files\Some Path"
C:\Progra~1\SomePa~1"

....and there may be linkage hide-and-seek where the linkage path
passes through an app's private config files.


My own opinion, FWIW, is that registry cleaners are not worth the
bother. I've yet to see a recent system sped up by "cleaning the
registry", and I have seen hard-to-fix problems that follow them.

I do see stability etc. issues related to registry "leftovers", but
have managed these manually; I would not trust a registry cleaner to
automate this process, and the primary fix is not to do dumb-ass
things that spawn such problems (e.g. deleting application subtrees
instead of uninstalling apps, running sware directly off removable
disks, and various malware-related botch-ups).


[color=blue]
>-------------------- ----- ---- --- -- - - - -[/color]
Tip Of The Day:
To disable the 'Tip of the Day' feature...[color=blue]
>-------------------- ----- ---- --- -- - - - -[/color]

On Sun, 8 Jul 2007 23:37:37 -0500, OzBoy[color=blue]
>MICHAEL;374457 Wrote:[color=green]
>> * OzBoy:[/color][/color]
[color=blue][color=green]
>> Pointing out the possible dangers of registry cleaners
>> *is* helping the user....[/color][/color]
[color=blue]
>Understand exactly where you coming from but wouldn't it be best to
>have a thread titled "Are registry cleaners any good?" and then let
>people put there comments up. This thread is entitled best registry
>cleaner for windows and over 6 pages I think only 4 are mentioned.[/color]

If the subject was "what's the best spam-marketed source of cheap
viagra?", what do you think the answer would be?

If the "best registry cleaner" is "nothing - leave it alone", then
that IS the answer. "If you pick it, it won't heal" ;-)


[color=blue]
>------------ ----- ---- --- -- - - - -[/color]
Our senses are our UI to reality[color=blue]
>------------ ----- ---- --- -- - - - -[/color]

On Mon, 09 Jul 2007 00:40:14 -0400, MICHAEL <u158627_emr2@dslr.net>
wrote:
[color=blue]
>
>
>* Adam Albright:[color=green]
>> On Mon, 09 Jul 2007 00:00:58 -0400, MICHAEL <u158627_emr2@dslr.net>
>> wrote:
>>[color=darkred]
>>> * OzBoy:
>>>> Bit lost here, thought the poster asked for a registry cleaner not
>>>> whether they work or not and especially not for the flaming that went
>>>> on. Only been coming here for a couple of weeks and was very surprised
>>>> by the contents of this post. Thought the idea was to help people????
>>>> Confused.
>>> Pointing out the possible dangers of registry cleaners
>>> *is* helping the user.... and other users who may read the
>>> posts. This debate comes up every time registry cleaners
>>> are mentioned. I think a lot of the debate is a good thing-
>>> it allows lurkers or others who may come across the posts later,
>>> to see the good, the bad and the ugly of registry cleaners.
>>> For the most part, I think using them are a bad idea... used only
>>> as a last resort. They can be helpful, *if* you know what you
>>> are deleting or "cleaning/fixing".... most average users have no idea.
>>>
>>> User beware, have backups, and be prepared to live and learn...
>>> maybe a hard lesson. Then again, most of us have been there,
>>> done that. Perhaps, it's his turn.
>>>
>>> At least now, the OP has received the various POV and can make
>>> his own decision.... armed with a little more insight.
>>>
>>>
>>> -Michael[/color]
>>
>> You know, not one of you anti-Registry Clearer guys have offered a
>> shred of evidence to support your claims. Nothing but the usual hot
>> air and the thinly veiled take my advice I know more than you BS
>> that's always present.[/color]
>
>Adam,
>
>I never said I was "anti" anything, you big dummy.
>
>Take a breath, put down the booze, pull your finger(s)
>out of your bung hole, and know there are other ways
>than just your way..... you're just as guilty as those you accuse.
>[/color]
Typical ten year old response. You guys are so much fun to watch
dance.

Adam Albright wrote:[color=blue]
>
> You know, not one of you anti-Registry Clearer guys have offered a
> shred of evidence to support your claims. Nothing but the usual hot
> air and the thinly veiled take my advice I know more than you BS
> that's always present.
>[/color]


Actually, what we've "offered" is years of first-hand observations and
experience. We've seen the trouble registry cleaners can cause. What
we've never seen, and what you've steadfastly refused to produce, is
*any* evidence that registry cleaners do any good.

[color=blue]
> Give me some FACTS.[/color]


Please do. I know what I've seen. I derive a substantial portion of
my income helping people recover from the use of registry cleaners.

[color=blue]
> ...... Mindless rant snipped.[/color]

[color=blue]
> The point here being there would be little need
> for Registry Cleaners IF Windows actually knew how to totally delete
> applications you no longer wanted. The truth is it often doesn't clean
> up totally and Windows is in part to blame.[/color]


No, any blame would attach to the programmers who cannot be bothered to
develop proper uninstallation routines for their products.

Granted, most registry "cleaners" won't cause problems each and
every time they're used, but the potential for harm is always there.
And, since no registry "cleaner" has ever been demonstrated to do any
good (think of them like treating the flu with chicken soup - there's no
real medicinal value, but it sometimes provides a warming placebo
effect), I always tell people that the risks far out-weigh the
non-existent benefits.

I will concede that a good registry scanning tool, in the hands of
an experienced and knowledgeable technician or hobbyist can be a useful
time-saving diagnostic tool, as long as it's not allowed to make any
changes automatically. But I really don't think that there are any
registry cleaners that are truly safe for the general public to use.
Experience has proven just the opposite: such tools simply are not safe
in the hands of the inexperienced user.


--

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* Adam Albright:[color=blue]
> On Mon, 09 Jul 2007 00:40:14 -0400, MICHAEL <u158627_emr2@dslr.net>
> wrote:
>[color=green]
>>
>> * Adam Albright:[color=darkred]
>>> On Mon, 09 Jul 2007 00:00:58 -0400, MICHAEL <u158627_emr2@dslr.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> * OzBoy:
>>>>> Bit lost here, thought the poster asked for a registry cleaner not
>>>>> whether they work or not and especially not for the flaming that went
>>>>> on. Only been coming here for a couple of weeks and was very surprised
>>>>> by the contents of this post. Thought the idea was to help people????
>>>>> Confused.
>>>> Pointing out the possible dangers of registry cleaners
>>>> *is* helping the user.... and other users who may read the
>>>> posts. This debate comes up every time registry cleaners
>>>> are mentioned. I think a lot of the debate is a good thing-
>>>> it allows lurkers or others who may come across the posts later,
>>>> to see the good, the bad and the ugly of registry cleaners.
>>>> For the most part, I think using them are a bad idea... used only
>>>> as a last resort. They can be helpful, *if* you know what you
>>>> are deleting or "cleaning/fixing".... most average users have no idea.
>>>>
>>>> User beware, have backups, and be prepared to live and learn...
>>>> maybe a hard lesson. Then again, most of us have been there,
>>>> done that. Perhaps, it's his turn.
>>>>
>>>> At least now, the OP has received the various POV and can make
>>>> his own decision.... armed with a little more insight.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -Michael
>>> You know, not one of you anti-Registry Clearer guys have offered a
>>> shred of evidence to support your claims. Nothing but the usual hot
>>> air and the thinly veiled take my advice I know more than you BS
>>> that's always present.[/color]
>> Adam,
>>
>> I never said I was "anti" anything, you big dummy.
>>
>> Take a breath, put down the booze, pull your finger(s)
>> out of your bung hole, and know there are other ways
>> than just your way..... you're just as guilty as those you accuse.
>>[/color]
> Typical ten year old response. You guys are so much fun to watch
> dance.[/color]

Adam- when you stop acting like a drunk ten year-old,
then you'll receive better responses.

You're dancing alone, bubba.

Carry on.


-Michael

On Sun, 8 Jul 2007 22:28:58 -0500, OzBoy <OzBoy.2tfpgm@no-mx.forums.net> wrote:
[color=blue]
>
>Bit lost here, thought the poster asked for a registry cleaner not
>whether they work or not and especially not for the flaming that went
>on. Only been coming here for a couple of weeks and was very surprised
>by the contents of this post. Thought the idea was to help people????
>Confused.[/color]

Telling someone to use a registry cleaner is NO HELP. Like telling someone you can run your car without any water in the radiator. For maybe2 minutes it'll work.

think about it. a registry line is plain text. Take the LARGEST text fileon your hard drive. Look at the size. 10 megs would be EXTREME for any text file.

If you ran a registry cleaner, there's no way you could clean out that many bad entries to make 10 megs.
To actually see any performance, you'd have to remove that much to see anything noticeable. And it'd all be in disk access speed.
At best you MIGHT gain 1 second in speed in accessing SOME programs.
VS the irreparable damage to your machine that you could cause by poking around in things you don't have a clue about..
IOW: when it comes to registry cleaners, if you have to ask, you don't know enough to use one safely.

Even virus cleaners warn you about deleting cookies. Something you can actually run without ever having one on your machine.
A registry entry tells some program on your machine, operation info. Without it you'll need to reinstall at a minimum.

No registry cleaning IS HELPFUL info. Messing with the registry no matterwho hypes it is a bad idea.
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