"The Old Bloke" <leopard32@XXGmail.com> wrote in message
news:137soiblj5puu00@corp.supernews.com...[color=blue]
>
> "Kerry Brown" <kerry@kdbNOSPAMsys-tems.c*a*m> wrote in message
> news:5E97EE96-E7A1-45A5-9E77-227C60FFA325@microsoft.com...[color=green]
>> "The Old Bloke" <leopard32@XXGmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:137rgh058go9293@corp.supernews.com...[color=darkred]
>>>
>>> "Bob Eyster" <reyster1@comcast.net> wrote in message
>>> news:eFMA43atHHA.3504@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>>>> On the same note, who to say that any link isn't spoofed and points to
>>>> a Trojan/Virus. It's a change you take
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>>
>>>> Bob Eyster
>>>> MS Windows Vista Home Premium
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "KristleBawl" <kristlebawl********.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:%23XhpAmatHHA.1188@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>>>> The point is still valid. Hackers try to get people to download and
>>>>> run stuff all the time, sometimes by linking directly to the file.
>>>>>
>>>>> If you want people to listen to you, you should try to be a little
>>>>> more sensitive to security concerns.
>>>>>
>>>>> A link to a page where the file is described and you have the option
>>>>> to download it is ok, but linking directly to a file is a bad idea.
>>>>>
>>>>> KB
>>>>>
>>>>> "The Old Bloke" wrote in message
>>>>> news:137qcfsekijh84d@corp.supernews.com...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Malke" wrote in message ...
>>>>>>> The Old Bloke wrote:
>>>>>>>> I'm using Vista Home Premium
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> This has fixed nearly all my permissions
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> hxxp://dazzy.xxx/vista/TakeOwn.zip
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I don't know what you're playing at, but that link (which I munged)
>>>>>>> does an automatic direct download of the zip file without any
>>>>>>> identification whatsoever. I'm not going to risk opening it, even
>>>>>>> though I don't run Windows. You could be an innocent really trying
>>>>>>> to help other Vista users or you could be an Evil Spammer/Virus
>>>>>>> Spreader.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In any case, don't do this again. If you really are a good guy and
>>>>>>> want to suggest a program that helped you, put a link to the
>>>>>>> product's homepage along with a description of what the program does
>>>>>>> and how it helped you.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm playing at nothing! This has worked for me., without a problem!
>>>>>> I'll do what I want next time. There is a positve history of this
>>>>>> from othher forum members.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I asked this question a couple of days ago and was told that it was
>>>>>> not possible with Visata, and then told to "Get used to it" Well it
>>>>>> it is not true. This does work. If you don't trust it, your
>>>>>> problem, not mine.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Doug
>>> The difference is that I first checked the reliability of the .zip file,
>>> and checked with other users that it was all OK on their system. I
>>> don't consider I am irresponsible. I knew the risks if I hadn't fully
>>> checked it.
>>>
>>> On my PC it has become a breathe of fresh air. Mine is a stand alone
>>> home PC. MS should have disabled all this lock down for "Home"
>>> Versions. BTW, Systems people hate this mod. How do I know? I used to
>>> be one before I retired.
>>>
>>> Regards
>>>[/color]
>>
>>
>> If you know what the file does then why not tell us what it does rather
>> than a generic statement that it fixes everything.
>>[/color]
> Try it Kerry. I did
>
> I don't have time to do it for you[/color]
Any MVP should be able to look at it and report to the NG. Maybe MVPs don't
want people to know how to overcome MS protection in Vista?

Kerry, I have worked as a System Admin. I accept that it is necessary for
enterprises to control their PCs. But should this should extend to buyers
of "Home" versions? What I posted was fully tested. But I bet you won't
post that it is safe. ????? Will you ????

On Sat, 23 Jun 2007 23:09:16 -0700, Frank <fb@nospamm.cmm> wrote:

[color=blue][color=green]
>> You remain a horse's rear end. That's your thing Frankie. Just some
>> ass.
>>
>> Are you next going to trying to lie your ass off the things I
>> mentioned aren't true and common problems nearly all users experience?
>> Just wondering how stupid you really are. I think we already know.
>>[/color]
>
>Let's put it this way you stupid sack of sh*t. I'm not near as stupid as
>you wish I was and you're nowhere near as smart as you think you are.
>Loser moron!
>Frank[/color]

I'll let others decide who the dumb one is. After all, you're the one
that can't stop boasting you "mastered" Vista in six months but even
then only with help from "consultants". Odd, most people can easily
figure out what's different, changed and moved around in oh about a
hour or so and by themselves. Six months with help? ROTFLMAO!

Sure Frankie you're a real Einstein for sure. How long did it take you
get past the sixth grade? Three tries? With consultants?

"The Old Bloke" <leopard32@XXGmail.com> wrote in message
news:137sq5gclbnkg30@corp.supernews.com...[color=blue]
>
> "The Old Bloke" <leopard32@XXGmail.com> wrote in message
> news:137soiblj5puu00@corp.supernews.com...[color=green]
>>
>> "Kerry Brown" <kerry@kdbNOSPAMsys-tems.c*a*m> wrote in message
>> news:5E97EE96-E7A1-45A5-9E77-227C60FFA325@microsoft.com...[color=darkred]
>>> "The Old Bloke" <leopard32@XXGmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:137rgh058go9293@corp.supernews.com...
>>>>
>>>> "Bob Eyster" <reyster1@comcast.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:eFMA43atHHA.3504@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>>>>> On the same note, who to say that any link isn't spoofed and points to
>>>>> a Trojan/Virus. It's a change you take
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>>
>>>>> Bob Eyster
>>>>> MS Windows Vista Home Premium
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "KristleBawl" <kristlebawl********.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:%23XhpAmatHHA.1188@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>>>>> The point is still valid. Hackers try to get people to download and
>>>>>> run stuff all the time, sometimes by linking directly to the file.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If you want people to listen to you, you should try to be a little
>>>>>> more sensitive to security concerns.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A link to a page where the file is described and you have the option
>>>>>> to download it is ok, but linking directly to a file is a bad idea.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> KB
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "The Old Bloke" wrote in message
>>>>>> news:137qcfsekijh84d@corp.supernews.com...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Malke" wrote in message ...
>>>>>>>> The Old Bloke wrote:
>>>>>>>>> I'm using Vista Home Premium
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> This has fixed nearly all my permissions
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> hxxp://dazzy.xxx/vista/TakeOwn.zip
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I don't know what you're playing at, but that link (which I munged)
>>>>>>>> does an automatic direct download of the zip file without any
>>>>>>>> identification whatsoever. I'm not going to risk opening it, even
>>>>>>>> though I don't run Windows. You could be an innocent really trying
>>>>>>>> to help other Vista users or you could be an Evil Spammer/Virus
>>>>>>>> Spreader.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In any case, don't do this again. If you really are a good guy and
>>>>>>>> want to suggest a program that helped you, put a link to the
>>>>>>>> product's homepage along with a description of what the program
>>>>>>>> does and how it helped you.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm playing at nothing! This has worked for me., without a problem!
>>>>>>> I'll do what I want next time. There is a positve history of this
>>>>>>> from othher forum members.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I asked this question a couple of days ago and was told that it was
>>>>>>> not possible with Visata, and then told to "Get used to it" Well it
>>>>>>> it is not true. This does work. If you don't trust it, your
>>>>>>> problem, not mine.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Doug
>>>> The difference is that I first checked the reliability of the .zip
>>>> file, and checked with other users that it was all OK on their system.
>>>> I don't consider I am irresponsible. I knew the risks if I hadn't
>>>> fully checked it.
>>>>
>>>> On my PC it has become a breathe of fresh air. Mine is a stand alone
>>>> home PC. MS should have disabled all this lock down for "Home"
>>>> Versions. BTW, Systems people hate this mod. How do I know? I used to
>>>> be one before I retired.
>>>>
>>>> Regards
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> If you know what the file does then why not tell us what it does rather
>>> than a generic statement that it fixes everything.
>>>[/color]
>> Try it Kerry. I did
>>
>> I don't have time to do it for you[/color]
> Any MVP should be able to look at it and report to the NG. Maybe MVPs
> don't want people to know how to overcome MS protection in Vista?
>
> Kerry, I have worked as a System Admin. I accept that it is necessary for
> enterprises to control their PCs. But should this should extend to buyers
> of "Home" versions? What I posted was fully tested. But I bet you won't
> post that it is safe. ????? Will you ????[/color]


No I won't. If you really were a system administrator you would realise how
stupid it is to download an unknown zip file and run whatever is inside of
it.

--
Kerry Brown
Microsoft MVP - Shell/User
[url]http://www.vistahelp.ca[/url]

Adam Albright wrote:[color=blue]
> On Sat, 23 Jun 2007 23:09:16 -0700, Frank <fb@nospamm.cmm> wrote:
>
>
>[color=green][color=darkred]
>>>You remain a horse's rear end. That's your thing Frankie. Just some
>>>ass.
>>>
>>>Are you next going to trying to lie your ass off the things I
>>>mentioned aren't true and common problems nearly all users experience?
>>>Just wondering how stupid you really are. I think we already know.
>>>[/color]
>>
>>Let's put it this way you stupid sack of sh*t. I'm not near as stupid as
>>you wish I was and you're nowhere near as smart as you think you are.
>>Loser moron!
>>Frank[/color]
>
>
> I'll let others decide who the dumb one is. After all, you're the one
> that can't stop boasting you "mastered" Vista in six months but even
> then only with help from "consultants". Odd, most people can easily
> figure out what's different, changed and moved around in oh about a
> hour or so and by themselves. Six months with help? ROTFLMAO!
>
> Sure Frankie you're a real Einstein for sure. How long did it take you
> get past the sixth grade? Three tries? With consultants?
>[/color]

Well, not surprising, you totally failed to read or comprehend what I
said, in my original post..."XP no more...!".
That's an exact quote of the subject line.
We dumped XP after dual booting it and Vista for 6 months. It did't take
6 months to master Vista. Undoubtedly we could have gotten rid of XP
months earlier but we were also bringing new software on line (Adobe CS3
Master Collection for example) and wanted to keep older software (Adobe
CS2 for example) available and it was on XP. We are constantly up
against mechanical deadlines and miss one of those and we're basically
screwed. The actual switch over to Vista went quickly and smoothly once
all work arounds and customization was complete. Dumping XP also meant
updating to new software and getting rid of older software.

But this issue really irritates you doesn't it?
Too bad! I don't give a sh*t about you, or your drunken opinions.
They're as worthless as you you are.
Frank

On Sun, 24 Jun 2007 09:07:57 -0700, Frank <fb@nospamm.cmm> wrote:
[color=blue]
>Adam Albright wrote:[color=green]
>> On Sat, 23 Jun 2007 23:09:16 -0700, Frank <fb@nospamm.cmm> wrote:
>>
>>
>>[color=darkred]
>>>>You remain a horse's rear end. That's your thing Frankie. Just some
>>>>ass.
>>>>
>>>>Are you next going to trying to lie your ass off the things I
>>>>mentioned aren't true and common problems nearly all users experience?
>>>>Just wondering how stupid you really are. I think we already know.
>>>>
>>>
>>>Let's put it this way you stupid sack of sh*t. I'm not near as stupid as
>>>you wish I was and you're nowhere near as smart as you think you are.
>>>Loser moron!
>>>Frank[/color]
>>
>>
>> I'll let others decide who the dumb one is. After all, you're the one
>> that can't stop boasting you "mastered" Vista in six months but even
>> then only with help from "consultants". Odd, most people can easily
>> figure out what's different, changed and moved around in oh about a
>> hour or so and by themselves. Six months with help? ROTFLMAO!
>>
>> Sure Frankie you're a real Einstein for sure. How long did it take you
>> get past the sixth grade? Three tries? With consultants?
>>[/color]
>
>Well, not surprising, you totally failed to read or comprehend what I
>said, in my original post..."XP no more...!".[/color]

I can read you like a book. You've very transparent. You come waltzing
in here bragging about some marketing company you're support to run,
then nearly every post you make you add a snort or smirk or some other
childish remark, then call others liars or drunks. Doesn't sound like
you're much of a business owner to me... or anybody else if you can't
keep you cool and the only skill you seem to have is endless boasting
and pretending to be some expert on computers after you admit it took
you half a year to get up to speed.

Adam Albright wrote:
[color=blue]
>
> I can read you like a book. You've very transparent. You come waltzing
> in here bragging about some marketing company you're support to run,
> then nearly every post you make you add a snort or smirk or some other
> childish remark, then call others liars or drunks. Doesn't sound like
> you're much of a business owner to me... or anybody else if you can't
> keep you cool and the only skill you seem to have is endless boasting
> and pretending to be some expert on computers after you admit it took
> you half a year to get up to speed.
>[/color]

Like I said, this "issue" really irritates your stupid as* doesn't it!
All you do is make snide & insulting remarks about MS, Vista, MVP's and
anyone or anything else you don't like, understand, or agree with.
You dish it out to everyone yet whine like a little baby when someone
else gives it back to you.
What in the world are you so afraid or jealous of, huh?
Grow the fu*k up!
Frank

On Sun, 24 Jun 2007 11:56:55 -0700, Frank <fb@nospamm.cmm> wrote:
[color=blue]
>Adam Albright wrote:
>[color=green]
>>
>> I can read you like a book. You've very transparent. You come waltzing
>> in here bragging about some marketing company you're support to run,
>> then nearly every post you make you add a snort or smirk or some other
>> childish remark, then call others liars or drunks. Doesn't sound like
>> you're much of a business owner to me... or anybody else if you can't
>> keep you cool and the only skill you seem to have is endless boasting
>> and pretending to be some expert on computers after you admit it took
>> you half a year to get up to speed.
>>[/color]
>
>Like I said, this "issue" really irritates your stupid as* doesn't it!
>All you do is make snide & insulting remarks about MS, Vista, MVP's and
>anyone or anything else you don't like, understand, or agree with.
>You dish it out to everyone yet whine like a little baby when someone
>else gives it back to you.
>What in the world are you so afraid or jealous of, huh?
>Grow the fu*k up!
>Frank[/color]

Further confirmation little Frankie is full of himself...as usual.

"Kerry Brown" <kerry@kdbNOSPAMsys-tems.c*a*m> wrote in message
news:A0D895C1-9927-4042-ACD6-7CDE82DA7515@microsoft.com...[color=blue]
> "The Old Bloke" <leopard32@XXGmail.com> wrote in message
> news:137sq5gclbnkg30@corp.supernews.com...[color=green]
>>
>> "The Old Bloke" <leopard32@XXGmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:137soiblj5puu00@corp.supernews.com...[color=darkred]
>>>
>>> "Kerry Brown" <kerry@kdbNOSPAMsys-tems.c*a*m> wrote in message
>>> news:5E97EE96-E7A1-45A5-9E77-227C60FFA325@microsoft.com...
>>>> "The Old Bloke" <leopard32@XXGmail.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:137rgh058go9293@corp.supernews.com...
>>>>>
>>>>> "Bob Eyster" <reyster1@comcast.net> wrote in message
>>>>> news:eFMA43atHHA.3504@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>>>>>> On the same note, who to say that any link isn't spoofed and points
>>>>>> to a Trojan/Virus. It's a change you take
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Bob Eyster
>>>>>> MS Windows Vista Home Premium
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "KristleBawl" <kristlebawl********.com> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:%23XhpAmatHHA.1188@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>> The point is still valid. Hackers try to get people to download and
>>>>>>> run stuff all the time, sometimes by linking directly to the file.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If you want people to listen to you, you should try to be a little
>>>>>>> more sensitive to security concerns.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> A link to a page where the file is described and you have the option
>>>>>>> to download it is ok, but linking directly to a file is a bad idea.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> KB
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "The Old Bloke" wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:137qcfsekijh84d@corp.supernews.com...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Malke" wrote in message ...
>>>>>>>>> The Old Bloke wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> I'm using Vista Home Premium
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> This has fixed nearly all my permissions
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> hxxp://dazzy.xxx/vista/TakeOwn.zip
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I don't know what you're playing at, but that link (which I
>>>>>>>>> munged) does an automatic direct download of the zip file without
>>>>>>>>> any identification whatsoever. I'm not going to risk opening it,
>>>>>>>>> even though I don't run Windows. You could be an innocent really
>>>>>>>>> trying to help other Vista users or you could be an Evil
>>>>>>>>> Spammer/Virus Spreader.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> In any case, don't do this again. If you really are a good guy and
>>>>>>>>> want to suggest a program that helped you, put a link to the
>>>>>>>>> product's homepage along with a description of what the program
>>>>>>>>> does and how it helped you.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'm playing at nothing! This has worked for me., without a
>>>>>>>> problem! I'll do what I want next time. There is a positve history
>>>>>>>> of this from othher forum members.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I asked this question a couple of days ago and was told that it was
>>>>>>>> not possible with Visata, and then told to "Get used to it" Well
>>>>>>>> it it is not true. This does work. If you don't trust it, your
>>>>>>>> problem, not mine.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Doug
>>>>> The difference is that I first checked the reliability of the .zip
>>>>> file, and checked with other users that it was all OK on their system.
>>>>> I don't consider I am irresponsible. I knew the risks if I hadn't
>>>>> fully checked it.
>>>>>
>>>>> On my PC it has become a breathe of fresh air. Mine is a stand alone
>>>>> home PC. MS should have disabled all this lock down for "Home"
>>>>> Versions. BTW, Systems people hate this mod. How do I know? I used
>>>>> to be one before I retired.
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> If you know what the file does then why not tell us what it does rather
>>>> than a generic statement that it fixes everything.
>>>>
>>> Try it Kerry. I did
>>>
>>> I don't have time to do it for you[/color]
>> Any MVP should be able to look at it and report to the NG. Maybe MVPs
>> don't want people to know how to overcome MS protection in Vista?
>>
>> Kerry, I have worked as a System Admin. I accept that it is necessary
>> for enterprises to control their PCs. But should this should extend to
>> buyers of "Home" versions? What I posted was fully tested. But I bet
>> you won't post that it is safe. ????? Will you ????[/color]
>
>
> No I won't. If you really were a system administrator you would realise
> how stupid it is to download an unknown zip file and run whatever is
> inside of it.
>
> --
> Kerry Brown
> Microsoft MVP - Shell/User
> [url]http://www.vistahelp.ca[/url]
>[/color]
Oh my goodness. There are safe ways to look into a zip file. Surely you
know how.

Here is the readme file

TakeOwn.reg adds a Take Ownership Context Menu Item to all files and
folders.
It opens an Elevated Command Prompt which recovers full access to the
selected file /
directory, sub directories and their content.
You can access the Context Menu Item by holding down Shift + right-click on
a file or folder.
If you want to access the Take Ownership Context Menu Item on an exe file,
you must merge
"RunAsAdmin_Exe-.reg"; this reg file removes the "Run as Administrator"
Context Menu Item
from all exe files (they both use the runas key).
Merge "RunAsAdmin_Exe+.reg" if you want to restore the "Run as
Administrator" Context Menu Item.

Install: Merge TakeOwn+.reg
Uninstall Merge TakeOwn-.reg

=====================

And here is one of the .reg files

Windows Registry Editor Version 5.00

;Take Ownership Context Menu Item (for Windows Vista) by Herby -
herby.virtualplastic.net

;This reg file adds a Take Ownership Context Menu Item to all files and
folders.
;It recovers full access to the selected file / directory, sub directories
and their content.
;You can access the Context Menu Item by holding down Shift + right-click on
a file or folder.

[HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\*\shell\runas]
@="Take Ownership"
"Extended"=""
"NoWorkingDirectory"=""

[HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\*\shell\runas\command]
@="cmd.exe /c takeown /f \"%1\" && icacls \"%1\" /grant administrators:F"
"IsolatedCommand"="cmd.exe /c takeown /f \"%1\" && icacls \"%1\" /grant
administrators:F"

[HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\Directory\shell\runas]
@="Take Ownership"
"Extended"=""
"NoWorkingDirectory"=""

[HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\Directory\shell\runas\command]
@="cmd.exe /c takeown /f \"%1\" /r /d y && icacls \"%1\" /grant
administrators:F /t"
"IsolatedCommand"="cmd.exe /c takeown /f \"%1\" /r /d y && icacls \"%1\"
/grant administrators:F /t"

==============================

It's not hard Kerry.

"The Old Bloke" <leopard32@XXGmail.com> wrote in message
news:137u7e77r2h9r2e@corp.supernews.com...

<snipped>
[color=blue]
>
> It's not hard Kerry.[/color]


Of course it's not hard if you have the knowledge. That wasn't my point. My
point was the vast majority of people reading this newsgroup have no idea
what a .reg file is let alone can figure out what it does. This hack could
seriously compromise the built in security in Vista. This may be fine for
someone who knows what they are doing. Most people don't have this level of
skill. When this hack breaks something they will have no idea what caused
the problem or how to fix it. My main concern in even answering your post
was to point out to people finding your post by a search engine that there
may be unforeseen consequences in following your, in my opinion, very poor
advice.

--
Kerry Brown
Microsoft MVP - Shell/User
[url]http://www.vistahelp.ca[/url]

"Kerry Brown" <kerry@kdbNOSPAMsys-tems.c*a*m> wrote in message
news:A21B2A3A-926C-4293-8CEE-1C0D6539BE3A@microsoft.com...[color=blue]
> "The Old Bloke" <leopard32@XXGmail.com> wrote in message
> news:137u7e77r2h9r2e@corp.supernews.com...
>
> <snipped>
>[color=green]
>>
>> It's not hard Kerry.[/color]
>
>
> Of course it's not hard if you have the knowledge. That wasn't my point.
> My point was the vast majority of people reading this newsgroup have no
> idea what a .reg file is let alone can figure out what it does. This hack
> could seriously compromise the built in security in Vista. This may be
> fine for someone who knows what they are doing. Most people don't have
> this level of skill. When this hack breaks something they will have no
> idea what caused the problem or how to fix it. My main concern in even
> answering your post was to point out to people finding your post by a
> search engine that there may be unforeseen consequences in following your,
> in my opinion, very poor advice.
>
> --
> Kerry Brown
> Microsoft MVP - Shell/User
> [url]http://www.vistahelp.ca[/url]
>[/color]
I'm sorry, but you are wrong. I did check the .zip thoroughly before I
posted it. It is safe, I challenge you to find anything sinister in it.
I wish you luck in keeping this NG to the lowest common denominator. That
is not the way I work

First you asked me what was in the file. I told you to look. You told me
it was too dangerous. So I told you what was in it. Then you say you knew
how to look safely into it. Do you understand the script? You seem to be
oblivious to what your problem is.

That could be your next question to me. I'll answer it in a very colourful
Aussie way lol

If your participation in this thread is well meaning, surely you could have
simply warned all inexperienced people not to use it.

I don't think how much you know really matters. It's how much the rest of
the newsgroup readers know.

I'm sure it's safe, too. But that doesn't make it right.

A fairly larger percentage of people looking for help find these newsgroups,
either through the MS website or a search engine, and none of them
understand the potential dangers *in general* of downloading and running
something a stranger posted.

We don't know you, we never worked with you, we only know you as a nickname
and email address. You're asking total strangers to completely trust you.

Asking people to trust your automatic download of an undocumented file sets
a very bad example to the inexperienced users. If they get something that
works once then they will blindly download and run the next homemade file
that they come across.

*That* is how hackers and virus spreaders get away with it, by taking
advantage of the simple fact that experienced and intelligent people like
you just don't see the potential harm to other people that know any better.
All they have to do is pretend to be you and duplicate your file name.

KB

"The Old Bloke" wrote in message news:137umbpla6jpt6c@corp.supernews.com...[color=blue][color=green]
>>[/color]
> I'm sorry, but you are wrong. I did check the .zip thoroughly before I
> posted it. It is safe, I challenge you to find anything sinister in it.
> I wish you luck in keeping this NG to the lowest common denominator. That
> is not the way I work
>
> First you asked me what was in the file. I told you to look. You told me
> it was too dangerous. So I told you what was in it. Then you say you knew
> how to look safely into it. Do you understand the script? You seem to be
> oblivious to what your problem is.
>
> That could be your next question to me. I'll answer it in a very
> colourful Aussie way lol
>
> If your participation in this thread is well meaning, surely you could
> have simply warned all inexperienced people not to use it.[/color]

"KristleBawl" <kristlebawl********.com> wrote in message
news:e8tpXhytHHA.3640@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...[color=blue]
>I don't think how much you know really matters. It's how much the rest of
>the newsgroup readers know.
>
> I'm sure it's safe, too. But that doesn't make it right.
>
> A fairly larger percentage of people looking for help find these
> newsgroups, either through the MS website or a search engine, and none of
> them understand the potential dangers *in general* of downloading and
> running something a stranger posted.
>
> We don't know you, we never worked with you, we only know you as a
> nickname and email address. You're asking total strangers to completely
> trust you.
>
> Asking people to trust your automatic download of an undocumented file
> sets a very bad example to the inexperienced users. If they get something
> that works once then they will blindly download and run the next homemade
> file that they come across.
>
> *That* is how hackers and virus spreaders get away with it, by taking
> advantage of the simple fact that experienced and intelligent people like
> you just don't see the potential harm to other people that know any
> better. All they have to do is pretend to be you and duplicate your file
> name.
>
> KB[/color]

Hi KB, You present an acceptable case. I do know my stuff. Very well. I
asked a question on this NG and was told bluntly that I can't access these
folders in Vista. I was told, "get used to it". Well, I retired 10 years
ago, but it was plain that "restricted" could be accessed. In fact my
software installations get access. This response upset and angered me. So
I studied it. I am sufficently educated to not post venormous code. The
codes impact is very minor. It changes nothing deep down till someone right
clicks in the right place. All this is forgotten on reboot. I did my
homework thoroughly, before I posted.

I am upset with MS. XP and now Vista, use permissons that companies want.
Hence I was hurt by the reponnse to my first posting "Get used to it!" I
could have done it better, Kristle, but I was clear that the posting was not
harmful.

Regards fromk Aus
Doug[color=blue]
>
> "The Old Bloke" wrote in message
> news:137umbpla6jpt6c@corp.supernews.com...[color=green][color=darkred]
>>>[/color]
>> I'm sorry, but you are wrong. I did check the .zip thoroughly before I
>> posted it. It is safe, I challenge you to find anything sinister in
>> it. I wish you luck in keeping this NG to the lowest common denominator.
>> That is not the way I work
>>
>> First you asked me what was in the file. I told you to look. You told
>> me it was too dangerous. So I told you what was in it. Then you say you
>> knew how to look safely into it. Do you understand the script? You seem
>> to be oblivious to what your problem is.
>>
>> That could be your next question to me. I'll answer it in a very
>> colourful Aussie way lol
>>
>> If your participation in this thread is well meaning, surely you could
>> have simply warned all inexperienced people not to use it.[/color]
>[/color]

On Mon, 25 Jun 2007 15:58:16 +1000, "The Old Bloke"
<leopard32@XXGmail.com> wrote:
[color=blue]
>
>"Kerry Brown" <kerry@kdbNOSPAMsys-tems.c*a*m> wrote in message
>news:A21B2A3A-926C-4293-8CEE-1C0D6539BE3A@microsoft.com...[color=green]
>> "The Old Bloke" <leopard32@XXGmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:137u7e77r2h9r2e@corp.supernews.com...
>>
>> <snipped>
>>[color=darkred]
>>>
>>> It's not hard Kerry.[/color]
>>
>>
>> Of course it's not hard if you have the knowledge. That wasn't my point.
>> My point was the vast majority of people reading this newsgroup have no
>> idea what a .reg file is let alone can figure out what it does. This hack
>> could seriously compromise the built in security in Vista. This may be
>> fine for someone who knows what they are doing. Most people don't have
>> this level of skill. When this hack breaks something they will have no
>> idea what caused the problem or how to fix it. My main concern in even
>> answering your post was to point out to people finding your post by a
>> search engine that there may be unforeseen consequences in following your,
>> in my opinion, very poor advice.
>>
>> --
>> Kerry Brown
>> Microsoft MVP - Shell/User
>> [url]http://www.vistahelp.ca[/url]
>>[/color]
>I'm sorry, but you are wrong. I did check the .zip thoroughly before I
>posted it. It is safe, I challenge you to find anything sinister in it.
>I wish you luck in keeping this NG to the lowest common denominator. That
>is not the way I work[/color]

You committed a major sin. All the up tight MVPs not only expect, they
demand everybody's respect and you never, ever challenge anything they
claim (even when they're dead wrong which is frequently the case) or
that causes their shorts to get all bunched up. There is also an army
of clueless fanboys that hang out here represented by morons like
Frank that get off pretending they know absolutely everything there is
to know about Windows while demonstrating they know next to nothing.

To participate in this newsgroups there are a few guidelines:

1. Obtain a prayer rug and a 8 x 10 glossy photo of Billy Gates.
2. Before posting, kneel on rug, head bowed, facing Redmond
Washington.
3. Softly chant wow, wow, wow, Vista is wonderful.
4. Reporting bugs is frowned on, these are just undocumented features.
5. Repeat the following useless excuses as much as possible:

a. all software has bugs
b. Vista will be "fixed" after SPI is released
c. XP was broke too when it first came out.

Anyone following groups like this quickly discover that MVPs and the
fanboys love to pretend they know more than everybody else. So when
you show them up (and you did) you automatically get added to their
enemy list.

Most anti-virus programs automatically scan the CONTENTS of zip files.
Even if they don't, a zip file is simply a container and no harm comes
from downloading one. Only after you decompress the contents and
actually install what's inside could they then remotely become a risk.
So as usual Kerry is blowing smoke and of course needed to throw in
some reference that oh of course he's smarter than the average poster.
That always makes me chuckle when any MVP implies that and most do,
constantly. The goal of the MVPs and fanboys club IS to dumb down
everybody so THEY can get to act superior. That's their game. I don't
play. I make them look dumb instead.

Don't let those turkeys get to you. Some people with far less patience have
been telling everyone to "get used to it because it can't be changed" or to
"switch to" something else. I don't believe in that. When I spend my limited
funds, that take several months to save, I'm going to take the time to get
to know how to use it.

I've picked up some tips and helpful links in these newsgroups many times
over the years. If you can ignore the finger-pointing, name-calling and
other childish nonsense, you'll find it, too. Sometimes I forget to ignore
them, too.

I'm a disabled home user with a lot of free time. You're a "retired Old
Bloke" with more free time than those impatient young clock-punchers with
all the negative replies.

I kept Win98SE very stable and useable for 8 years without needing any of
that fast and expensive gaming or video junk. I'm planning to make my Vista
just as stable,with as few minor issues as possible for the 8 or 9 years.

There is a lot to get use to, but not all of it is "get used to it because
it can't be changed." There are also ways to tweak it, and bugs need to be
fixed, and so on, that haven't even been discovered yet. If you can put up
with the "lowest common denominator", maybe you could be one of those few
independent problem solvers, too. Just pretend you're a teacher and your
students need to have the steps explained to them, and make them do the
actual assignment themselves, or they'll never learn.

KB

"The Old Bloke" wrote in message news:137vhp6e3d2q67b@corp.supernews.com...[color=blue]
>
> "KristleBawl" wrote in message ...[color=green]
>>I don't think how much you know really matters. It's how much the rest of
>>the newsgroup readers know.
>>
>> I'm sure it's safe, too. But that doesn't make it right.
>>
>> A fairly larger percentage of people looking for help find these
>> newsgroups, either through the MS website or a search engine, and none of
>> them understand the potential dangers *in general* of downloading and
>> running something a stranger posted.
>>
>> We don't know you, we never worked with you, we only know you as a
>> nickname and email address. You're asking total strangers to completely
>> trust you.
>>
>> Asking people to trust your automatic download of an undocumented file
>> sets a very bad example to the inexperienced users. If they get something
>> that works once then they will blindly download and run the next homemade
>> file that they come across.
>>
>> *That* is how hackers and virus spreaders get away with it, by taking
>> advantage of the simple fact that experienced and intelligent people like
>> you just don't see the potential harm to other people that know any
>> better. All they have to do is pretend to be you and duplicate your file
>> name.
>>
>> KB[/color]
>
> Hi KB, You present an acceptable case. I do know my stuff. Very well.
> I asked a question on this NG and was told bluntly that I can't access
> these folders in Vista. I was told, "get used to it". Well, I retired 10
> years ago, but it was plain that "restricted" could be accessed. In fact
> my software installations get access. This response upset and angered me.
> So I studied it. I am sufficently educated to not post venormous code.
> The codes impact is very minor. It changes nothing deep down till someone
> right clicks in the right place. All this is forgotten on reboot. I did
> my homework thoroughly, before I posted.
>
> I am upset with MS. XP and now Vista, use permissons that companies want.
> Hence I was hurt by the reponnse to my first posting "Get used to it!" I
> could have done it better, Kristle, but I was clear that the posting was
> not harmful.
>
> Regards fromk Aus
> Doug[/color]

"The Old Bloke" <leopard32@XXGmail.com> wrote in message
news:137vhp6e3d2q67b@corp.supernews.com...[color=blue]
>
> "KristleBawl" <kristlebawl********.com> wrote in message
> news:e8tpXhytHHA.3640@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...[color=green]
>>I don't think how much you know really matters. It's how much the rest of
>>the newsgroup readers know.
>>
>> I'm sure it's safe, too. But that doesn't make it right.
>>
>> A fairly larger percentage of people looking for help find these
>> newsgroups, either through the MS website or a search engine, and none of
>> them understand the potential dangers *in general* of downloading and
>> running something a stranger posted.
>>
>> We don't know you, we never worked with you, we only know you as a
>> nickname and email address. You're asking total strangers to completely
>> trust you.
>>
>> Asking people to trust your automatic download of an undocumented file
>> sets a very bad example to the inexperienced users. If they get something
>> that works once then they will blindly download and run the next homemade
>> file that they come across.
>>
>> *That* is how hackers and virus spreaders get away with it, by taking
>> advantage of the simple fact that experienced and intelligent people like
>> you just don't see the potential harm to other people that know any
>> better. All they have to do is pretend to be you and duplicate your file
>> name.
>>
>> KB[/color]
>
> Hi KB, You present an acceptable case. I do know my stuff. Very well.
> I asked a question on this NG and was told bluntly that I can't access
> these folders in Vista. I was told, "get used to it". Well, I retired 10
> years ago, but it was plain that "restricted" could be accessed. In fact
> my software installations get access. This response upset and angered me.
> So I studied it. I am sufficently educated to not post venormous code.
> The codes impact is very minor. It changes nothing deep down till someone
> right clicks in the right place. All this is forgotten on reboot. I did
> my homework thoroughly, before I posted.
>
> I am upset with MS. XP and now Vista, use permissons that companies want.
> Hence I was hurt by the reponnse to my first posting "Get used to it!" I
> could have done it better, Kristle, but I was clear that the posting was
> not harmful.
>[/color]


The fact is if someone ran the .reg file then right clicked on the Windows
folder, Program Files, the compatibility junctions, or the root of the
system drive and changed the permissions they have seriously compromised the
security of their system. If the ACLs on the junctions are changed this may
cause data corruption in the hands of an inexperienced user. For someone
like yourself this may be fine. For the vast majority of computer users it
isn't. The file is not safe for most people. It is creates an advanced tool
that could be useful to a knowledgeable user. In inexperienced hands it
could be dangerous.

--
Kerry Brown
Microsoft MVP - Shell/User
[url]http://www.vistahelp.ca[/url]