"Jeff" <jssparks@spam.yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> You don't happen to know if they plan on adding yEnc into windows mail
> anytime soon do you?
>[color=green]
>> I use the Windows Mail news reader and have had no problem viewing JPG
>> and GIF images posted in the microsoft.public newsgroups. I do know that
>> Windows Mail does not support yEnc images.[/color][/color]


If there is ever a W3 standard for yEnc they'll look at it.
Even the guy who came up with it thinks people should stop using it.

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On Sat, 16 Jun 2007 20:25:42 -0400, "Jeff" <jssparks@spam.yahoo.com>
wrote:
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>You don't happen to know if they plan on adding yEnc into windows mail
>anytime soon do you?[/color]

Watch for some lame excuse why not. ;-)

"Tiberius" <Jim@Tib.Kirk> wrote:
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> top posting is easier for newbie's since they wont know that they
> have to scroll to the bottom of the post to read a reply.[/color]

Not snipping is wrong, doesn't matter if you top post or bottom post.
[color=blue]
> Bottom posting is an abuse if not done correctly,
> which would involve lots of snipping[/color]

See above.


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"Frank Saunders, MS-MVP OE/WM" <franksaunders@mvps.org> wrote:
[color=blue]
> "XS11E" <xs11e@NOSPAMyahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:Xns99514C76E4D95xs11eyahoocom@127.0.0.1...[color=green]
>> "Al Pacca" <alpacca@edenet.nl> wrote:
>>[color=darkred]
>>> I only get to see text messages in newsgroups, and i would like
>>> to see photo's and or files...........[/color]
>>
>> Newsgroups are text ONLY unless the word "binaries" is in the
>> name of the newsgroup, posting pictures or files to text only
>> newsgroups is one sure way to get your rear end flamed off![/color][/color]
[color=blue]
> Not entirely true.[/color]

In most cases. Notice most who post files/pics here are asked not to
do so. It's much better to post files/pics to one of the free websites
and provide a link to the file.



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"Frank Saunders, MS-MVP OE/WM" <franksaunders@mvps.org> wrote:
[color=blue]
> If there is ever a W3 standard for yEnc they'll look at it.[/color]

Since it's become a defacto standard for almost all binary groups it's
time Microsoft joined the 1990s at least.

To the OP: There were several addons that would allow OE to decode
yEnc, probably there are for Windows Mail as well, Google should be
able to find them but it's probably easier to just get a better
newsreader with yEnc decoding built in, there are several and some of
the best are free. Again, Google will find them for you.
[color=blue]
> Even the guy who came up with it thinks people should stop using
> it.[/color]

Link, please?

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"XS11E" <xs11e@NOSPAMyahoo.com> wrote in message
news:Xns995361984FD35xs11eyahoocom@127.0.0.1...[color=blue]
> "Frank Saunders, MS-MVP OE/WM" <franksaunders@mvps.org> wrote:
>[color=green]
>> If there is ever a W3 standard for yEnc they'll look at it.[/color]
>
> Since it's become a defacto standard for almost all binary groups it's
> time Microsoft joined the 1990s at least.
>
> To the OP: There were several addons that would allow OE to decode
> yEnc, probably there are for Windows Mail as well, Google should be
> able to find them but it's probably easier to just get a better
> newsreader with yEnc decoding built in, there are several and some of
> the best are free. Again, Google will find them for you.
>[color=green]
>> Even the guy who came up with it thinks people should stop using
>> it.[/color]
>
> Link, please?[/color]

[url]http://www.exit109.com/~jeremy/news/yenc.html[/url]

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"Frank Saunders, MS-MVP OE/WM" <franksaunders@mvps.org> wrote:
[color=blue]
> "XS11E" <xs11e@NOSPAMyahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:Xns995361984FD35xs11eyahoocom@127.0.0.1...[color=green]
>> "Frank Saunders, MS-MVP OE/WM" <franksaunders@mvps.org> wrote:[color=darkred]
>>> Even the guy who came up with it thinks people should stop using
>>> it.[/color]
>>
>> Link, please?[/color]
>
> [url]http://www.exit109.com/~jeremy/news/yenc.html[/url][/color]

5 year old FUD? Hardly compelling. yEnc is here and it appears it's
now the standard.

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"XS11E" <xs11e@NOSPAMyahoo.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9953CDFF884C7xs11eyahoocom@127.0.0.1...[color=blue]
> "Frank Saunders, MS-MVP OE/WM" <franksaunders@mvps.org> wrote:
>[color=green]
>> "XS11E" <xs11e@NOSPAMyahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:Xns995361984FD35xs11eyahoocom@127.0.0.1...[color=darkred]
>>> "Frank Saunders, MS-MVP OE/WM" <franksaunders@mvps.org> wrote:
>>>> Even the guy who came up with it thinks people should stop using
>>>> it.
>>>
>>> Link, please?[/color]
>>
>> [url]http://www.exit109.com/~jeremy/news/yenc.html[/url][/color]
>
> 5 year old FUD? Hardly compelling. yEnc is here and it appears it's
> now the standard.
>
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There is no W3C standard.

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"Frank Saunders, MS-MVP OE/WM" <franksaunders@mvps.org> wrote:

[color=blue]
> There is no W3C standard.[/color]

Nor did I say there was. None the less, yEnc is now the current
standard for posting files and pictures to Usenet and your opinions
aren't going to change it nor make it go away.


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"XS11E" <xs11e@NOSPAMyahoo.com> wrote in message
news:Xns995459816ED33xs11eyahoocom@127.0.0.1...[color=blue]
> "Frank Saunders, MS-MVP OE/WM" <franksaunders@mvps.org> wrote:
>
>[color=green]
>> There is no W3C standard.[/color]
>
> Nor did I say there was. None the less, yEnc is now the current
> standard for posting files and pictures to Usenet and your opinions
> aren't going to change it nor make it go away.
>
>
> --
> XS11E, Killing all posts from Google Groups
> The Usenet Improvement Project: [url]http://blinkynet.net/comp/uip5.html[/url][/color]

I think what he's trying to say is it's not an "official standard" but a
popular method...

Jeff

"Jeff" <jssparks@spam.yahoo.com> wrote:
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>
> "XS11E" <xs11e@NOSPAMyahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:Xns995459816ED33xs11eyahoocom@127.0.0.1...[color=green]
>> "Frank Saunders, MS-MVP OE/WM" <franksaunders@mvps.org> wrote:
>>
>>[color=darkred]
>>> There is no W3C standard.[/color]
>>
>> Nor did I say there was. None the less, yEnc is now the current
>> standard for posting files and pictures to Usenet and your
>> opinions aren't going to change it nor make it go away.
>>
>>
>> --
>> XS11E, Killing all posts from Google Groups
>> The Usenet Improvement Project:
>> [url]http://blinkynet.net/comp/uip5.html[/url][/color]
>
> I think what he's trying to say is it's not an "official standard"
> but a popular method...[/color]

Exactly what I did say, but I should have added W3C is a universally
ignored wannabe "official standard" organization. There are no
"official standards" in reality and nobody understands ignoring
standards better than Microsoft! ;-)


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On Tue, 19 Jun 2007 12:37:27 -0400, "Jeff" <jssparks@spam.yahoo.com>
wrote:
[color=blue]
>
>"XS11E" <xs11e@NOSPAMyahoo.com> wrote in message
>news:Xns995459816ED33xs11eyahoocom@127.0.0.1...[color=green]
>> "Frank Saunders, MS-MVP OE/WM" <franksaunders@mvps.org> wrote:
>>
>>[color=darkred]
>>> There is no W3C standard.[/color]
>>
>> Nor did I say there was. None the less, yEnc is now the current
>> standard for posting files and pictures to Usenet and your opinions
>> aren't going to change it nor make it go away.
>>
>>
>> --
>> XS11E, Killing all posts from Google Groups
>> The Usenet Improvement Project: [url]http://blinkynet.net/comp/uip5.html[/url][/color]
>
>I think what he's trying to say is it's not an "official standard" but a
>popular method...
>
>Jeff
>[/color]
So many blowhards trying to come across as experts. **** funny.

yEnc has become a defacto "standard" because a good percentage of
regular posters to some of the most popular newsgroups that have
binaries, especially large ones split into parts have switched to
encoding with yEnc years ago. That Microsoft is a decade behind the
times and doesn't support automatic yEnc decoding is typical.
Microsoft is ALWAYS late to the party. Of course anybody that's dumb
enough to use Microsoft junk when downloading material from Usenet
deserves the poor performance they get.

XS11E
[color=blue][color=green]
>> I think what he's trying to say is it's not an "official standard"
>> but a popular method...[/color]
>
> Exactly what I did say,[/color]

No, what you did say was:
[color=blue][color=green][color=darkred]
>>>None the less, yEnc is now the current
>>> standard for posting files and pictures to Usenet and your
>>> opinions aren't going to change it nor make it go away.[/color][/color][/color]

Then you said:
[color=blue]
> but I should have added W3C is a universally
> ignored wannabe "official standard" organization. There are no
> "official standards" in reality.[/color]

And, of course you had to add this comment:
[color=blue]
> and nobody understands ignoring
> standards better than Microsoft! ;-)[/color]

So, which is it? Are there really standards or only standards if they agree
with your current point of view?

--

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Microsoft MVP
Windows Shell/User


"XS11E" <xs11e@NOSPAMyahoo.com> wrote in message
news:Xns99546C0AFBA9Fxs11eyahoocom@127.0.0.1...[color=blue]
> "Jeff" <jssparks@spam.yahoo.com> wrote:
>[color=green]
>>
>> "XS11E" <xs11e@NOSPAMyahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:Xns995459816ED33xs11eyahoocom@127.0.0.1...[color=darkred]
>>> "Frank Saunders, MS-MVP OE/WM" <franksaunders@mvps.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> There is no W3C standard.
>>>
>>> Nor did I say there was.
>>>
>>>
>>> --
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>>> [url]http://blinkynet.net/comp/uip5.html[/url][/color]
>>[/color][/color]
[color=blue]
>
>
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"Ronnie Vernon MVP" <rv@invalid.org> wrote:
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> XS11E
>[color=green][color=darkred]
>>> I think what he's trying to say is it's not an "official
>>> standard" but a popular method...[/color]
>>
>> Exactly what I did say,[/color]
>
> No, what you did say was:
>[color=green][color=darkred]
>>>>None the less, yEnc is now the current
>>>> standard for posting files and pictures to Usenet and your
>>>> opinions aren't going to change it nor make it go away.[/color][/color]
>
> Then you said:
>[color=green]
>> but I should have added W3C is a universally
>> ignored wannabe "official standard" organization. There are no
>> "official standards" in reality.[/color]
>
> And, of course you had to add this comment:
>[color=green]
>> and nobody understands ignoring standards better than Microsoft!
>> ;-)[/color]
>
> So, which is it? Are there really standards or only standards if
> they agree with your current point of view?[/color]

My current point of view is irrelevent, since over 90% of posting of
files and pics to usenet is in yEnc that makes it the standard and,
again, neither your opinion or mine matters.

I didn't realize that was so difficult to understand?


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Adam Albright wrote:

[color=blue]
>
> So many blowhards trying to come across as experts. **** funny.[/color]

Wow! You just can't help yourself can you?
Always, I mean you always open with an insult.
There is no hope for a person like you is there?
Frank