--
Hapless, nonproficient, long-time windows user.
Nothing ever seems to work out of the box as promised.
Vista continues the tradition of "expect another disappointment"


"Me" wrote:
[color=blue]
> Cal Bear '66 wrote:[color=green]
> > "back up any D A T A"
> > Obviously you misread, DATA does not include programs and settings.
> >[/color]
> LOL Exactly! He has posted the link several times as evidence of the so
> called lie, and sadly I wonder if he really actually read it. If they
> really wanted you to use the actual built in backup, I believe they
> would have clearly stated that, and reminded you of what would be needed
> in order to use that backup later on. Sheesh, not only that, but clearly
> at the bottom of the page it states that the user will be granted 2 hour
> sessions, (Logins), for data retrieval for a limited amount of time. So
> I suggest that Mr Lowered Expectations get very busy right away and USE
> the granted 2 hour sessions before THAT time runs out! (Rather than
> ranting and ravening here) So get to it buddy! ...Before you REALLY
> loose it all!
>
> Cheers
>[/color]

No, not "exactly", sir. If you knew what -you- are whooping about, you'd
know that the two hour sessions after time-out allow for no saving of data.

=That= is why I did the total backup well-before the RC timed out.
Now, nowhere did the Microsoft handlers say that the totalbackup of data
would be useless to apply to paid versions of Vista, or to anything else
(other than $$$ Ultimate).

So, calm down, 'K?

Dan

The table clearly shows that the only 'upgrade' path is with Vista
Ultimate.. all others are clean installs..

The OP problem stems from not understanding the backing up of data.. it
would appear that he made an full image of RC1 as opposed to backing up
'files and folders'..


"DanS" <t.h.i.s.n.t.h.a.t@a.d.e.l.p.h.i.a.n.e.t> wrote in message
news:Xns994455D2DDA19thisnthatadelphianet@216.196.97.142...[color=blue]
> "Peter Foldes" <okf22********.com> wrote in
> news:OWCi$RdpHHA.3880@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl:
>[color=green][color=darkred]
>>>The Windows Vista Upgrade must be the same language version as the
>>>pre-release version you are replacing.[/color]
>>
>> You did post the above which I pasted\copied .What do you think it
>> means ?? It means that the version that you need to purchase to
>> Upgrade your RC1 has to be the same version as your RC1 or higher in
>> the same language that you had as the Beta,
>>
>> Home Basic does not apply to the above since it is a lower version
>> than your RC1.
>>
>> It is in Black and White which you did not understand[/color]
>
> The sentence quoted has nothing to do with Basic, Home, Utimate, or
> Business.
>
> In black and white it says '...must be the same language version', which
> indicates it must be an English version to replace and English version,
> Spanish for Spanish, etc.
>[/color]

--


Mike Hall
MS MVP Windows Shell/User
[url]http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/[/url]

"Mike Hall - MVP" <mikehall@mvps.org> wrote in news:#zrH4SepHHA.588
@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl:
[color=blue]
> Dan
>
> The table clearly shows that the only 'upgrade' path is with Vista
> Ultimate.. all others are clean installs..
>
> The OP problem stems from not understanding the backing up of data.. it
> would appear that he made an full image of RC1 as opposed to backing up
> 'files and folders'..
>[/color]

Yes.

But, I wasn't commenting on anything other than the post I replied to,
and what that sentence meant to me.


Regards,

DanS

[color=blue]
> "DanS" <t.h.i.s.n.t.h.a.t@a.d.e.l.p.h.i.a.n.e.t> wrote in message
> news:Xns994455D2DDA19thisnthatadelphianet@216.196.97.142...[color=green]
>> "Peter Foldes" <okf22********.com> wrote in
>> news:OWCi$RdpHHA.3880@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl:
>>[color=darkred]
>>>>The Windows Vista Upgrade must be the same language version as the
>>>>pre-release version you are replacing.
>>>
>>> You did post the above which I pasted\copied .What do you think it
>>> means ?? It means that the version that you need to purchase to
>>> Upgrade your RC1 has to be the same version as your RC1 or higher in
>>> the same language that you had as the Beta,
>>>
>>> Home Basic does not apply to the above since it is a lower version
>>> than your RC1.
>>>
>>> It is in Black and White which you did not understand[/color]
>>
>> The sentence quoted has nothing to do with Basic, Home, Utimate, or
>> Business.
>>
>> In black and white it says '...must be the same language version',[/color][/color]
which[color=blue][color=green]
>> indicates it must be an English version to replace and English[/color][/color]
version,[color=blue][color=green]
>> Spanish for Spanish, etc.
>>[/color]
>[/color]

--
Hapless, nonproficient, long-time windows user.
Nothing ever seems to work out of the box as promised.
Vista continues the tradition of "expect another disappointment"


"Me" wrote:

[color=blue]
> You have posted the link several times as evidence of the so called lie, and
> sadly I wonder if you really actually read it.[/color]

I've read it.
[color=blue]
> If they really wanted you to
> use the actual built in backup, I believe they would have clearly stated
> that, and reminded you of what would be needed in order to use that backup
> later on. It merely stated to be sure to back up your DATA.[/color]

The RC1 reminder screen said to back up the computer, not "data" as well as
I can recall.

I've lost all my bookmarks--there is/was an official blog page wherein the
MS guy said to users "do yourself a favor and back up now to save hassles
later on". And a table repeating the linked table, stating that any version
of Vista could be migrated-into if you had done a backup.

EVEN IF I'm all wrong about this--the RC1 was happy to make my totalbackup
set,
but as soon as that was done, just to be sure, I tried to back up individual
files of this and that, mostly photos--burn to disk. No go. Nothing more
could be saved on 5/29.
Dates mean something to me. The RC program was saying at intervals, "you
have xx days before Windows will stop working." Heck, it already had ceased
full-functionality.
That's beside the point. Your closing point:
[color=blue]
>Sheesh, not only
> that, but clearly at the bottom of the page under "Additional Information"
> it states that the user will be granted 2 hour sessions, (Logins), for data
> retrieval for a limited amount of time. So I suggest that Mr Lowered
> Expectations get very busy right away and USE the granted 2 hour sessions
> before THAT time runs out too! (Rather than ranting and ravening here) So
> get to it buddy! ...Before you REALLY loose it all! (Or have a heck of a
> time getting it back)[/color]

If you were an expert user here to advise clueless casual users, such as I
openly state myself to be, you would know that the two hour sessions after
the timeout, allow NO SAVING of any work whatsoever.

So, you're just pounding on me unfairly and making an unfounded castigation
and finishing with an assertion that is, in effect, bogus. You are in error,
more in "whine" than myself, inasmuch as I am not the one giving advice.
"Two hour sessions, start saving."
No. It does not work that way. We only wish it were so.

Thank you, DP! Thank you for giving more of your time for my aid. I'm in
for the 32 bit version for sure. I understand all you say, and will shop to
be sure to find the lowest cost for what I will need to do. It's my current
understanding that even this Home Basic boxed set contains Ultimate. It's
only that it lacks the license key to turn on Ultimate's features. Since I
have the boxed Home Basic, and have installed it and activated it per MS
directions, it's not resalable now. And if all I need to do is pay for a
license key--there's my path. Look for the cheapest license key. The first
search led to Amazon, $199. I'll check Newegg too. That's a good outfit.
Thank you very much again. I appreciate your kindness.

"DP" wrote:
[color=blue]
>
> "Lowered Expectations" <LoweredExpectations@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote
> in message news:59BCFE3E-C432-4F66-B246-8A6106036FC0@microsoft.com...
>[color=green]
> >
> > To be very sure, however =I only need to know now=, that IF I upgrade this
> > present "clean install" of Basic, to Ultimate,
> >
> > then can I for sure for sure for sure! regain my former files, programs,
> > settings of the RC1 installation?[/color]
>
> There are folks 10 times as knowledgeable on this issue than I am. But until
> one of them answers, let me raise a caution flag. You backed up your data
> using the backup software on a TRIAL version of an OS. It was probably very
> close to what was finally released to market. But if there were any issues
> with the backup software that were later fixed when OS was released (and/or
> through later updates), then I suppose it is conceivable that the data you
> backed up could be incompatible with the final version of Vista Ultimate.
> In my not-completely-informed opinion, I'd say that's highly unlikely, but
> since you're looking for a definitive answer, I thought I'd let you know.
>
> BTW: You mentioned something about $199 for the download from Amazon. When I
> bought Vista Ultimate 64-bit, I got the OEM version for that price from New
> Egg. You might consider that. You would actually have the media in hand
> rather than having to do a download. And depending on how you bought Vista
> Basic, you might be able to sell the Basic to someone else, or install it on
> another computer.
> If you don't want 64-bit, I don't recall if the 32-bit Ultimate OEM was
> cheaper or not.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>[/color]

You used a beta on your only production machine, and failed to understand
what kind of back up was required.. then you entered here ranting about how
MS had stung you, when you had quite clearly stung yourself..

If you are even slightly unsure of something, ask before you execute because
it is a hell of a sight easier to prevent disaster than it is to clear up
the aftermath..


"Lowered Expectations" <LoweredExpectations@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote
in message news:D4FF1EA1-480D-441B-82BD-D318547D011C@microsoft.com...[color=blue]
>
> --
> Hapless, nonproficient, long-time windows user.
> Nothing ever seems to work out of the box as promised.
> Vista continues the tradition of "expect another disappointment"
>
>
> "Me" wrote:
>
>[color=green]
>> You have posted the link several times as evidence of the so called lie,
>> and
>> sadly I wonder if you really actually read it.[/color]
>
> I've read it.
>[color=green]
>> If they really wanted you to
>> use the actual built in backup, I believe they would have clearly stated
>> that, and reminded you of what would be needed in order to use that
>> backup
>> later on. It merely stated to be sure to back up your DATA.[/color]
>
> The RC1 reminder screen said to back up the computer, not "data" as well
> as
> I can recall.
>
> I've lost all my bookmarks--there is/was an official blog page wherein the
> MS guy said to users "do yourself a favor and back up now to save hassles
> later on". And a table repeating the linked table, stating that any
> version
> of Vista could be migrated-into if you had done a backup.
>
> EVEN IF I'm all wrong about this--the RC1 was happy to make my totalbackup
> set,
> but as soon as that was done, just to be sure, I tried to back up
> individual
> files of this and that, mostly photos--burn to disk. No go. Nothing more
> could be saved on 5/29.
> Dates mean something to me. The RC program was saying at intervals, "you
> have xx days before Windows will stop working." Heck, it already had
> ceased
> full-functionality.
> That's beside the point. Your closing point:
>[color=green]
>>Sheesh, not only
>> that, but clearly at the bottom of the page under "Additional
>> Information"
>> it states that the user will be granted 2 hour sessions, (Logins), for
>> data
>> retrieval for a limited amount of time. So I suggest that Mr Lowered
>> Expectations get very busy right away and USE the granted 2 hour sessions
>> before THAT time runs out too! (Rather than ranting and ravening here) So
>> get to it buddy! ...Before you REALLY loose it all! (Or have a heck of a
>> time getting it back)[/color]
>
> If you were an expert user here to advise clueless casual users, such as I
> openly state myself to be, you would know that the two hour sessions after
> the timeout, allow NO SAVING of any work whatsoever.
>
> So, you're just pounding on me unfairly and making an unfounded
> castigation
> and finishing with an assertion that is, in effect, bogus. You are in
> error,
> more in "whine" than myself, inasmuch as I am not the one giving advice.
> "Two hour sessions, start saving."
> No. It does not work that way. We only wish it were so.[/color]

--


Mike Hall
MS MVP Windows Shell/User
[url]http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/[/url]

Thank you, Mike. I am like most people who use Windows: I don't know all
the parlance. I always "thought" that a total backup was a total backup
(hence the name). I don't know that the term "image" appeared in RC1's
backup options.
It had an option for "total backup", which saves everything including
programs,
and file backup--which does not save programs. I did the latter first,
then tried to save file folders of photos immediately afterwards. The
machine acted like it was writing to disk, but in the latter operation,
nothing was burned. No separate files could be saved by 5/29. Not even
saved to memory cards. Yet the timeout had no transpired. I only got a
-good complete totalbackup- set of disks from the machine.

Anyway, thanks for your lesson.

"Mike Hall - MVP" wrote:
[color=blue]
> And next time you are asked to back up data, do that.. creating an image is
> not the same as backing up data..
>
>
> "Lowered Expectations" <LoweredExpectations@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote
> in message news:59BCFE3E-C432-4F66-B246-8A6106036FC0@microsoft.com...[color=green]
> >
> >
> > Kudos! Thank you, Robert, for such positive and creative thinking.
> > Because I am a dummy (this is the first time for me to hear about VM), and
> > because my track record with even simple installations is not too good, I
> > probably should just bite the weenie they want me to eat, and pay for the
> > upgrade. That will be a moral defeat, sure, but it is promised by
> > "Anytime
> > Upgrade" to be super EZ and safe.
> >
> > Really though, if I buy the upgrade key for $199 from Amazon, that's a
> > 100kb
> > download, and there, it's done. Microsoft makes no mention of any
> > possibility of loss of the license key or possibility of failure.
> > Microsoft
> > leads me to want to believe that they never gloss or oversimplify
> > prospects,
> > in order, I guess to brighten their primrose path. Maybe I should trust
> > them
> > again, inasmuch as their gun is at my head.
> >
> > To be very sure, however =I only need to know now=, that IF I upgrade this
> > present "clean install" of Basic, to Ultimate,
> >
> > then can I for sure for sure for sure! regain my former files, programs,
> > settings of the RC1 installation?
> > Thanks!
> >
> > ____________________
> > Robert, I am a poet-type of comic fool. In appreciation for your aid and
> > positive thinking... Virtual Machine? Hard to believe, but I never heard
> > of
> > "VM" stuff before now. You fire my imagination. You get for a gift, what
> > used to be called an "ode".
> > And although humorous, the appreciation extended to you is genuine:
> >
> >
> > =Ode to Robert Moir=
> >
> > I would lay a laurel
> > at your VM feet
> > if I had a laurel
> > and United Parcel's fleet...
> >
> > ...if I even knew
> > what a laurel was,
> > and if I had some VM hands
> > instead of my mental fuzz.
> >
> >
> >
> > "Robert Moir" wrote:
> >[color=darkred]
> >>
> >> "Lowered Expectations" <LoweredExpectations@discussions.microsoft.com>
> >> wrote
> >> in message news:FC6AB26E-9DAB-4CB1-977C-019B4DDD22D6@microsoft.com...
> >>
> >> > So I'm screwed. I paid for Vista. I can't have my data back unless I
> >> > get
> >> > (am told elswhere here) Ultimate or something near that.
> >> >
> >> > Phooey. If anyone has a solution short of suicide of the user, please
> >> > tell.
> >> > WHAT were they thinking????
> >>
> >> Set up a Virtual Machine (VMware ought to work, not sure about Virtual PC
> >> 2007 and Vista basic).
> >>
> >> Install a _trial_ version of Vista Ultimate in the virtual machine.
> >> Restore backup in virtual machine
> >> Transfer data to the real machine from the virtual machine.
> >> Make sure you've got everything then delete \ uninstall the virtual
> >> machine.
> >> Pour yourself a drink of whatever your favourate beverage is for a
> >> victory
> >> sip. You've earned it.
> >>
> >> --
> >> Robert Moir
> >> [url]http://www.rhymeswithgeek.com[/url]
> >>
> >>
> >>[/color][/color]
>
> --
>
>
> Mike Hall
> MS MVP Windows Shell/User
> [url]http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/[/url]
>
>
>
>[/color]

I don't know if this clue offers any confirmation of your suspicion, DP, but
last night I thought "why not try a Restore to a pre-5/31 date? Restore
allowed me to set such a date. I chose "5/28/2007". The machine said wait
while Restore restores your settings--do not shut off the computer...etc.
Restore complete! Yes, but restored to 6/01/2007. So--"they" are onto any
such attempts to go back, pretty surely.



"DP" wrote:
[color=blue]
>
> "Robert Moir" <robspamtrap******.com> wrote in message
> news:un5wGxbpHHA.4032@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>[color=green]
> >
> > Set up a Virtual Machine (VMware ought to work, not sure about Virtual PC
> > 2007 and Vista basic).
> >
> > Install a _trial_ version of Vista Ultimate in the virtual machine.
> > Restore backup in virtual machine[/color]
>
>
> Is it even possible to install the trial at this date, given that it had an
> expiration date? Sure, you could change the date on your computer to "fool"
> the installation software. But I don't recall if the installation has to
> connect with Microsoft before it's fully functional.
>
>
>[/color]

On Sun, 3 Jun 2007 10:21:00 -0400, "Mike Hall - MVP"
<mikehall@mvps.org> wrote:
[color=blue]
>You used a beta on your only production machine, and failed to understand
>what kind of back up was required.. then you entered here ranting about how
>MS had stung you, when you had quite clearly stung yourself..[/color]

You know a thread has gone to hell once Mike Hall starts trying to
shove his head up Microsoft's ass for the 1000th time.

* Adam Albright:[color=blue]
> On Sun, 3 Jun 2007 10:21:00 -0400, "Mike Hall - MVP"
> <mikehall@mvps.org> wrote:
>[color=green]
>> You used a beta on your only production machine, and failed to understand
>> what kind of back up was required.. then you entered here ranting about how
>> MS had stung you, when you had quite clearly stung yourself..[/color]
>
> You know a thread has gone to hell once Mike Hall starts trying to
> shove his head up Microsoft's ass for the 1000th time.[/color]

Adam,

In this case, Mike is absolutely correct.


-Michael

=?Utf-8?B?TG93ZXJlZCBFeHBlY3RhdGlvbnM=?=
<LoweredExpectations@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in
news:FC6AB26E-9DAB-4CB1-977C-019B4DDD22D6@microsoft.com:

LoEx,

Here is a cut & paste of a newer thread than this one. Someone else
having a problem with the backup utility....

I don't know if it will help, but here's another shot at just recovering
your data.

Regards,

DanS

---------------------------------------------------------------*

"Armin Heinlein" wrote:
[color=blue]
> I have a back up of my system and after an upgrade I wanted to restore[/color]
one[color=blue]
> particular drive. When I try to restore with the Windows Restore I[/color]
receive a[color=blue]
> message that no BackUp images were found. I have a directory on my USB[/color]
drive[color=blue]
> called WindowsImageBackUp and I can see the drive in one of the
> subdirectories.
>
> Any input is appreciated.
>
> TIA, Armin
>[/color]

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Hi Armin,

The backup and recovery functionality in Vista is at best poor. Unlike
the
old system, if you do a complete PC backup you cannot restore individual
files.... whats more , if you do a file backup, (where you can restore
individual files) it will not backup program files and other key data. I
have
fallen victim to this earlier this year. I do have a suggestion though,
which
helped me out of my problem. Download "winimage"
[url]http://www.winimage.com/winimage.htm[/url] which will alow you to mount the
vmdk
file that Vista backup created, you can then restore files from this
image.
The download is a free 30 day trial. After that i would suggest a 3rd
part
backup program. I have tried a few, nova backup seems quite good,
although it
doesn't support other backup formats. Hope this is useful.

All the best.

"DP" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:u6GVqrcpHHA.4772@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...[color=blue]
>
> "Robert Moir" <robspamtrap******.com> wrote in message
> news:un5wGxbpHHA.4032@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>[color=green]
>>
>> Set up a Virtual Machine (VMware ought to work, not sure about Virtual PC
>> 2007 and Vista basic).
>>
>> Install a _trial_ version of Vista Ultimate in the virtual machine.
>> Restore backup in virtual machine[/color]
>
>
> Is it even possible to install the trial at this date, given that it had
> an expiration date? Sure, you could change the date on your computer to
> "fool" the installation software. But I don't recall if the installation
> has to connect with Microsoft before it's fully functional.[/color]

Nor can I, to be honest. When I mentioned "Trial", I was thinking of
installing an evaluation copy of Windows Vista RTM. But if the RC1 trial can
still install this might be even better, with regard to comments on the rest
of the thread about how there might be small differences between the backup
on RC1 and the backup on RTM. But if not, then an evaluation copy of the
final version remains a fair bet, I think.

Why trust MicroSquish with your data? Especially using their backup
solutions. USB removable devices are so cheap, CDRW and DVDRW are extremly
cheap also. I develop software for a living and I copy my data to backup
devices. I user Nero to burn my data to DVD and don't rely on the OS.
Heck, even dragging a folder to a removable USB device is easy.

Suppose you didn't have problems with the OS but while working on your
computer, your hard drive just died. Shouldn't you have a backup of your
data? It's not IF your drive will die, it's WHEN.

I am suprised when people say that it's the OS's fault. IT isn't. If you
have documents, pictures, work, or whatever you want saved, make sure to
back it up. Then make sure you can restore it.

A lesson learned the hard way.


"Lowered Expectations" <LoweredExpectations@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote
in message news:FC6AB26E-9DAB-4CB1-977C-019B4DDD22D6@microsoft.com...[color=blue]
> Pardon, please this rant. First: thanks to the gents here who have
> already
> answered my earlier questions.
>
> The results of the answers are not encouraging me to calm down.
> Oh well.
>
> --The Problem: I (and how many others?) was on the Vista beta and RC1/2
> program.
>
> Near the end of the trial period I looked into purchase options.
> Microsoft told me/us here:
> [url]http://www.microsoft.com/windows/products/windowsvista/preview.mspx[/url]
> and elsewhere, that all that we need do was MAKE the backup while RC1 was
> still viable (I did that), and then buy and install one's own preferred
> Vista.
>
> ALL I was told to do was make a total back up, choose and buy a Vista
> version.
> I opted for Home Basic.
>
> I cannot put my old settings, files or folders into the new OS. Period.
>
> This is wrong of Microsoft. You have locked me out from my data.
> Microsoft told us to make backup before installing the clean, paid-for
> Vista.
> They NEVER told me that my backup would be completely useless.
> And furthermore, even though I'd now just like to get back to XP (which is
> not so evil as this Vista-Thing), I cannot put my RC1 backup of data into
> an
> XP install.
>
> So I'm screwed. I paid for Vista. I can't have my data back unless I get
> (am told elswhere here) Ultimate or something near that.
>
> Phooey. If anyone has a solution short of suicide of the user, please
> tell.
> WHAT were they thinking????
>
> A user, typical, not savvy, reads and believes the public information of
> the
> link above.
> The link DOES not tell the user that they can't save their old data to the
> new OS via disk. It only speaks of "Easy Transfer" between two
> computers.
>
> I don't have two computers, anyway. I don't even have the one computer
> that I had before the RC1 timeout. I have nothing. I've lost all my
> data---until, it seems, I knuckle under and pay for Ultimate (or will Home
> Premium do the "trick").
>
> A rant ends. I'm spent. Please help me? There must be thousands of
> others
> like me today, tearing their hair in regret at ever, ever leaving XP.
>
> I have been a Windows user since 1995. You'd think I'd have learned
> something about it by now. Finally I have learned. Very sorry here.
>
>
>
> That's a boondoggle lie of gargantuan proportions.
> Microsoft has ruined me by locking me out of my own computer.
>
> This deserves a new thread. It is such an literally incredible bit of
> nonsense;
> ANYONE going from any of the trialware Vista to paid-version Vista would
> naturally expect to be able to move their data over to the new OS via
> disks.
>
> I can't believe this.
>
> ----------------
> This post is a suggestion for Microsoft, and Microsoft responds to the
> suggestions with the most votes. To vote for this suggestion, click the "I
> Agree" button in the message pane. If you do not see the button, follow
> this
> link to open the suggestion in the Microsoft Web-based Newsreader and then
> click "I Agree" in the message pane.
>
> [url]http://windowshelp.microsoft.com/communities/newsgroups/en-us/default.mspx?mid=fc6ab26e-9dab-4cb1-977c-019b4ddd22d6&dg=microsoft.public.windows.vista.general[/url][/color]

Thank you DanS. I came here with a chip on my shoulder.
I also admitted my innocence of not knowing that what they -say- is not what
you get, even in an advanced, mass-market universal testing phase closure.
Indeed, I was out of my depth. And even now, with the clean install of only
Home Basic, I have issues that will require coddling. Like....sound. There
is no sound other than Windows' sounds, which, as before blast at full volume
each time the computer is booted, and cannot be shut off and kept off except
by turning off the speakers. This is just like RC1 was. I'll expect no
success then, from Vista. And I'll get what I expect, per usual, per my
loser-signature file.

However, you've given me some more hopes to work from. I learn that Vista
is miserable for backing up itself or files. It's a loser OS. I stuck
myself. Fine prints were not enough to dissuade a gullible fool from
stepping into the computing world's Greatest Boondoggle Ever. (I have been
reading Ed Bott lately, too much--or rather I did not read his words soon
enough). I thought I was along for a grand adventure.

What a ride! What a forum. It's like being a Democrat in a Republican tea
party. There are a few other Dems and a number of moderate Republicans quite
equinanimous. And there are The President's Men---the Nixonites! And they
do not suffer fools like me lightly. Send me off to 'Nam, they do! (ha ha)
"Go frag yourself now" they say. Well! This is a new era of operation
systems. The "Advisors" of the interlopers such as myself can only send me
off to Baghdad. Some system this Vista is. I should'a not stepped into
the pile. Microsoft soft sold me.

Meanwhile, party on O' defenders of the Faith. Bill's butt fills some
bills here for sure.

---
However, not yours, sir. Thank you. Thank you. Goodbye all for now. I've
made my quota of new friends for the we..mo..ye...remainder of my "life".
Glub! and cheers.


--
Hapless, nonproficient, long-time windows user.
Nothing ever seems to work out of the box as promised.
Vista continues the tradition of "expect another disappointment"


"DanS" wrote:
[color=blue]
> =?Utf-8?B?TG93ZXJlZCBFeHBlY3RhdGlvbnM=?=
> <LoweredExpectations@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in
> news:FC6AB26E-9DAB-4CB1-977C-019B4DDD22D6@microsoft.com:
>
> LoEx,
>
> Here is a cut & paste of a newer thread than this one. Someone else
> having a problem with the backup utility....
>
> I don't know if it will help, but here's another shot at just recovering
> your data.
>
> Regards,
>
> DanS
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------*
>
> "Armin Heinlein" wrote:
>[color=green]
> > I have a back up of my system and after an upgrade I wanted to restore[/color]
> one[color=green]
> > particular drive. When I try to restore with the Windows Restore I[/color]
> receive a[color=green]
> > message that no BackUp images were found. I have a directory on my USB[/color]
> drive[color=green]
> > called WindowsImageBackUp and I can see the drive in one of the
> > subdirectories.
> >
> > Any input is appreciated.
> >
> > TIA, Armin
> >[/color]
>
> NNTP-Posting-Host: tk2msftibfm01.phx.gbl 10.40.244.149
> Path: TK2MSFTNGP01.phx.gbl!TK2MSFTNGHUB02.phx.gbl
> Xref: TK2MSFTNGP01.phx.gbl microsoft.public.windows.vista.general:630864
>
> Hi Armin,
>
> The backup and recovery functionality in Vista is at best poor. Unlike
> the
> old system, if you do a complete PC backup you cannot restore individual
> files.... whats more , if you do a file backup, (where you can restore
> individual files) it will not backup program files and other key data. I
> have
> fallen victim to this earlier this year. I do have a suggestion though,
> which
> helped me out of my problem. Download "winimage"
> [url]http://www.winimage.com/winimage.htm[/url] which will alow you to mount the
> vmdk
> file that Vista backup created, you can then restore files from this
> image.
> The download is a free 30 day trial. After that i would suggest a 3rd
> part
> backup program. I have tried a few, nova backup seems quite good,
> although it
> doesn't support other backup formats. Hope this is useful.
>
> All the best.
>
>
>
>
>[/color]

You have way too many preconceptions.. if you don't like Windows or MS, try
a free Linux.. Ubuntu, PCLinuxOS and Suse 10.2 are ready and waiting..

"Lowered Expectations" <LoweredExpectations@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote
in message news:33A97FC7-5F55-4FE1-8AF4-E79010AA67CD@microsoft.com...[color=blue]
> Thank you DanS. I came here with a chip on my shoulder.
> I also admitted my innocence of not knowing that what they -say- is not
> what
> you get, even in an advanced, mass-market universal testing phase closure.
> Indeed, I was out of my depth. And even now, with the clean install of
> only
> Home Basic, I have issues that will require coddling. Like....sound.
> There
> is no sound other than Windows' sounds, which, as before blast at full
> volume
> each time the computer is booted, and cannot be shut off and kept off
> except
> by turning off the speakers. This is just like RC1 was. I'll expect no
> success then, from Vista. And I'll get what I expect, per usual, per my
> loser-signature file.
>
> However, you've given me some more hopes to work from. I learn that Vista
> is miserable for backing up itself or files. It's a loser OS. I stuck
> myself. Fine prints were not enough to dissuade a gullible fool from
> stepping into the computing world's Greatest Boondoggle Ever. (I have
> been
> reading Ed Bott lately, too much--or rather I did not read his words soon
> enough). I thought I was along for a grand adventure.
>
> What a ride! What a forum. It's like being a Democrat in a Republican
> tea
> party. There are a few other Dems and a number of moderate Republicans
> quite
> equinanimous. And there are The President's Men---the Nixonites! And
> they
> do not suffer fools like me lightly. Send me off to 'Nam, they do! (ha
> ha)
> "Go frag yourself now" they say. Well! This is a new era of operation
> systems. The "Advisors" of the interlopers such as myself can only send
> me
> off to Baghdad. Some system this Vista is. I should'a not stepped
> into
> the pile. Microsoft soft sold me.
>
> Meanwhile, party on O' defenders of the Faith. Bill's butt fills some
> bills here for sure.
>
> ---
> However, not yours, sir. Thank you. Thank you. Goodbye all for now.
> I've
> made my quota of new friends for the we..mo..ye...remainder of my "life".
> Glub! and cheers.
>
>
> --
> Hapless, nonproficient, long-time windows user.
> Nothing ever seems to work out of the box as promised.
> Vista continues the tradition of "expect another disappointment"
>
>
> "DanS" wrote:
>[color=green]
>> =?Utf-8?B?TG93ZXJlZCBFeHBlY3RhdGlvbnM=?=
>> <LoweredExpectations@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in
>> news:FC6AB26E-9DAB-4CB1-977C-019B4DDD22D6@microsoft.com:
>>
>> LoEx,
>>
>> Here is a cut & paste of a newer thread than this one. Someone else
>> having a problem with the backup utility....
>>
>> I don't know if it will help, but here's another shot at just recovering
>> your data.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> DanS
>>
>> ---------------------------------------------------------------*
>>
>> "Armin Heinlein" wrote:
>>[color=darkred]
>> > I have a back up of my system and after an upgrade I wanted to restore[/color]
>> one[color=darkred]
>> > particular drive. When I try to restore with the Windows Restore I[/color]
>> receive a[color=darkred]
>> > message that no BackUp images were found. I have a directory on my USB[/color]
>> drive[color=darkred]
>> > called WindowsImageBackUp and I can see the drive in one of the
>> > subdirectories.
>> >
>> > Any input is appreciated.
>> >
>> > TIA, Armin
>> >[/color]
>>
>> NNTP-Posting-Host: tk2msftibfm01.phx.gbl 10.40.244.149
>> Path: TK2MSFTNGP01.phx.gbl!TK2MSFTNGHUB02.phx.gbl
>> Xref: TK2MSFTNGP01.phx.gbl microsoft.public.windows.vista.general:630864
>>
>> Hi Armin,
>>
>> The backup and recovery functionality in Vista is at best poor. Unlike
>> the
>> old system, if you do a complete PC backup you cannot restore individual
>> files.... whats more , if you do a file backup, (where you can restore
>> individual files) it will not backup program files and other key data. I
>> have
>> fallen victim to this earlier this year. I do have a suggestion though,
>> which
>> helped me out of my problem. Download "winimage"
>> [url]http://www.winimage.com/winimage.htm[/url] which will alow you to mount the
>> vmdk
>> file that Vista backup created, you can then restore files from this
>> image.
>> The download is a free 30 day trial. After that i would suggest a 3rd
>> part
>> backup program. I have tried a few, nova backup seems quite good,
>> although it
>> doesn't support other backup formats. Hope this is useful.
>>
>> All the best.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>[/color][/color]

--


Mike Hall
MS MVP Windows Shell/User
[url]http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/[/url]