Please be certain you know how to properly "use" the anytime upgrade and
that you back it up (in other words - copy the ****ed thing) to multiple
different media. This can be DVD's, external USB drives, a network drive -
whatever.

Don't come back here whining when you lose the upgrade because you have to
reinstall your operating system - and you find that you can't locate/use a
defective backup of the anytime upgrade. Back it up and test the backup to
be certain it is competent.

--


Regards,

Richard Urban
Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User
(For email, remove the obvious from my address)

Quote from George Ankner:
If you knew as much as you think you know,
You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!

"Lowered Expectations" <LoweredExpectations@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote
in message news:84E9908C-902F-4C6F-B884-516D68A3A9A8@microsoft.com...[color=blue]
>
> Thank you for calm, good words, DP.
>
> No, I can't/won't send my disks out to a stranger.
> The matter is now laid out for discussion. I'm not a very level-headed
> writer today, being this upset with anger at Microsoft for their...flub?
>
> It's the feeling that yes, all the paranoid rants I've read about MS in
> years past:
> why, they're true! (so it seems).
>
> I will pay, I guess I must, to have Ultimate as an "Anytime" upgrade.
> That's sort of funny: "Anytime Upgrade" in this case means: "BUY it or you
> won't have anything of your PiTiful Prior files and data" (insert Mad Dr.
> Gates cackle, I joke)
> _____
>
> versed as commentary for this thread:
>
> In days of old The Robber, bold
> held up the populace!
> He stopped the Stage, and to enrage
> snatched your lady's necklace!
>
> And yet, today, in modern ways
> The Thief reminds of old:
> he rubs us hard with a Friction
> and leaves every body cold!
>
>
>
>
>
>
> "DP" wrote:
>[color=green]
>>
>> Perhaps a reader here who has the requisite version would volunteer to
>> try
>> to retrieve your data if you send them CDs (that's if you want to entrust
>> your data to a complete stranger).
>>
>> One other point, though I don't expect this to be terrific news for you.
>> As
>> I understand the "anytime upgrade" you're not going to have to pay the
>> full
>> cost of an ADDITIONAL version of Vista. You will just have to pay an
>> upgrade
>> cost. I don't know what those costs are, but it's not like you'll have to
>> buy an additional licensed version. You'd just be upgrading your current
>> version.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> "Lowered Expectations" <LoweredExpectations@discussions.microsoft.com>
>> wrote
>> in message news:FC6AB26E-9DAB-4CB1-977C-019B4DDD22D6@microsoft.com...[color=darkred]
>> > Pardon, please this rant. First: thanks to the gents here who have
>> > already
>> > answered my earlier questions.
>> >
>> > The results of the answers are not encouraging me to calm down.
>> > Oh well.
>> >
>> > --The Problem: I (and how many others?) was on the Vista beta and
>> > RC1/2
>> > program.
>> >
>> > Near the end of the trial period I looked into purchase options.
>> > Microsoft told me/us here:
>> > [url]http://www.microsoft.com/windows/products/windowsvista/preview.mspx[/url]
>> > and elsewhere, that all that we need do was MAKE the backup while RC1
>> > was
>> > still viable (I did that), and then buy and install one's own preferred
>> > Vista.
>> >
>> > ALL I was told to do was make a total back up, choose and buy a Vista
>> > version.
>> > I opted for Home Basic.
>> >
>> > I cannot put my old settings, files or folders into the new OS.
>> > Period.
>> >
>> > This is wrong of Microsoft. You have locked me out from my data.
>> > Microsoft told us to make backup before installing the clean, paid-for
>> > Vista.
>> > They NEVER told me that my backup would be completely useless.
>> > And furthermore, even though I'd now just like to get back to XP (which
>> > is
>> > not so evil as this Vista-Thing), I cannot put my RC1 backup of data
>> > into
>> > an
>> > XP install.
>> >
>> > So I'm screwed. I paid for Vista. I can't have my data back unless I
>> > get
>> > (am told elswhere here) Ultimate or something near that.
>> >
>> > Phooey. If anyone has a solution short of suicide of the user, please
>> > tell.
>> > WHAT were they thinking????
>> >
>> > A user, typical, not savvy, reads and believes the public information
>> > of
>> > the
>> > link above.
>> > The link DOES not tell the user that they can't save their old data to
>> > the
>> > new OS via disk. It only speaks of "Easy Transfer" between two
>> > computers.
>> >
>> > I don't have two computers, anyway. I don't even have the one
>> > computer
>> > that I had before the RC1 timeout. I have nothing. I've lost all my
>> > data---until, it seems, I knuckle under and pay for Ultimate (or will
>> > Home
>> > Premium do the "trick").
>> >
>> > A rant ends. I'm spent. Please help me? There must be thousands of
>> > others
>> > like me today, tearing their hair in regret at ever, ever leaving XP.
>> >
>> > I have been a Windows user since 1995. You'd think I'd have learned
>> > something about it by now. Finally I have learned. Very sorry here.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > That's a boondoggle lie of gargantuan proportions.
>> > Microsoft has ruined me by locking me out of my own computer.
>> >
>> > This deserves a new thread. It is such an literally incredible bit of
>> > nonsense;
>> > ANYONE going from any of the trialware Vista to paid-version Vista
>> > would
>> > naturally expect to be able to move their data over to the new OS via
>> > disks.
>> >
>> > I can't believe this.
>> >
>> > ----------------
>> > This post is a suggestion for Microsoft, and Microsoft responds to the
>> > suggestions with the most votes. To vote for this suggestion, click the
>> > "I
>> > Agree" button in the message pane. If you do not see the button, follow
>> > this
>> > link to open the suggestion in the Microsoft Web-based Newsreader and
>> > then
>> > click "I Agree" in the message pane.
>> >
>> > [url]http://windowshelp.microsoft.com/communities/newsgroups/en-us/default.mspx?mid=fc6ab26e-9dab-4cb1-977c-019b4ddd22d6&dg=microsoft.public.windows.vista.general[/url][/color]
>>
>>[/color][/color]

Thank you for the replies, Richard. The beta pitfalls of Glitcy
Programming, imo, do not extend to the end-phase directions to all RC
users--Defective, misleading instructions furnished by the very makers of the
product they know inside and out.

That is to say, and I am not whining but NOTING: the instructions to users
even at the end of the testing program, were and are completely wrong.

Here's how simple it is: "IF you are an RC user, you are in RC Ultimate.
You will not be able to migrate your programs, settings, data to any other
Vista version other than Vista Ultimate."

And, sir, they did not say that. They said the opposite. And this failing
is not a failing of arcane, buggy software. It was and is a complete failure
of responsible communications.

It was and is a brick wall a mile wide and tall, fully in their view,
which they chose NOT to warn users about. Why?

This is not a whine, it is an observation of egregious sin of Microsoft's
doing.

WARNING TO RC USERS planning to upgrade and in need of a clean install:
your "totalbackup" disks are only usable if you buy Ultimate.

And that is true. I've just given a useful lesson in payback for the lesson
I have learned the hard way: MS lies outright. Apologists will ignore the
basic fact that the MS official flacks are sloppy or outright disingenous in
this case. I speak of the official mouthpieces, the hirelings. I'm not
slapping any MS user/defenders.
On the contrary, I thank you for being frank and for offering rebuttals
against all common sense.



"Richard Urban" wrote:
[color=blue]
> Please be certain you know how to properly "use" the anytime upgrade and
> that you back it up (in other words - copy the ****ed thing) to multiple
> different media. This can be DVD's, external USB drives, a network drive -
> whatever.
>
> Don't come back here whining when you lose the upgrade because you have to
> reinstall your operating system - and you find that you can't locate/use a
> defective backup of the anytime upgrade. Back it up and test the backup to
> be certain it is competent.
>
> --
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Richard Urban
> Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User
> (For email, remove the obvious from my address)
>
> Quote from George Ankner:
> If you knew as much as you think you know,
> You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!
>
> "Lowered Expectations" <LoweredExpectations@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote
> in message news:84E9908C-902F-4C6F-B884-516D68A3A9A8@microsoft.com...[color=green]
> >
> > Thank you for calm, good words, DP.
> >
> > No, I can't/won't send my disks out to a stranger.
> > The matter is now laid out for discussion. I'm not a very level-headed
> > writer today, being this upset with anger at Microsoft for their...flub?
> >
> > It's the feeling that yes, all the paranoid rants I've read about MS in
> > years past:
> > why, they're true! (so it seems).
> >
> > I will pay, I guess I must, to have Ultimate as an "Anytime" upgrade.
> > That's sort of funny: "Anytime Upgrade" in this case means: "BUY it or you
> > won't have anything of your PiTiful Prior files and data" (insert Mad Dr.
> > Gates cackle, I joke)
> > _____
> >
> > versed as commentary for this thread:
> >
> > In days of old The Robber, bold
> > held up the populace!
> > He stopped the Stage, and to enrage
> > snatched your lady's necklace!
> >
> > And yet, today, in modern ways
> > The Thief reminds of old:
> > he rubs us hard with a Friction
> > and leaves every body cold!
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > "DP" wrote:
> >[color=darkred]
> >>
> >> Perhaps a reader here who has the requisite version would volunteer to
> >> try
> >> to retrieve your data if you send them CDs (that's if you want to entrust
> >> your data to a complete stranger).
> >>
> >> One other point, though I don't expect this to be terrific news for you.
> >> As
> >> I understand the "anytime upgrade" you're not going to have to pay the
> >> full
> >> cost of an ADDITIONAL version of Vista. You will just have to pay an
> >> upgrade
> >> cost. I don't know what those costs are, but it's not like you'll have to
> >> buy an additional licensed version. You'd just be upgrading your current
> >> version.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> "Lowered Expectations" <LoweredExpectations@discussions.microsoft.com>
> >> wrote
> >> in message news:FC6AB26E-9DAB-4CB1-977C-019B4DDD22D6@microsoft.com...
> >> > Pardon, please this rant. First: thanks to the gents here who have
> >> > already
> >> > answered my earlier questions.
> >> >
> >> > The results of the answers are not encouraging me to calm down.
> >> > Oh well.
> >> >
> >> > --The Problem: I (and how many others?) was on the Vista beta and
> >> > RC1/2
> >> > program.
> >> >
> >> > Near the end of the trial period I looked into purchase options.
> >> > Microsoft told me/us here:
> >> > [url]http://www.microsoft.com/windows/products/windowsvista/preview.mspx[/url]
> >> > and elsewhere, that all that we need do was MAKE the backup while RC1
> >> > was
> >> > still viable (I did that), and then buy and install one's own preferred
> >> > Vista.
> >> >
> >> > ALL I was told to do was make a total back up, choose and buy a Vista
> >> > version.
> >> > I opted for Home Basic.
> >> >
> >> > I cannot put my old settings, files or folders into the new OS.
> >> > Period.
> >> >
> >> > This is wrong of Microsoft. You have locked me out from my data.
> >> > Microsoft told us to make backup before installing the clean, paid-for
> >> > Vista.
> >> > They NEVER told me that my backup would be completely useless.
> >> > And furthermore, even though I'd now just like to get back to XP (which
> >> > is
> >> > not so evil as this Vista-Thing), I cannot put my RC1 backup of data
> >> > into
> >> > an
> >> > XP install.
> >> >
> >> > So I'm screwed. I paid for Vista. I can't have my data back unless I
> >> > get
> >> > (am told elswhere here) Ultimate or something near that.
> >> >
> >> > Phooey. If anyone has a solution short of suicide of the user, please
> >> > tell.
> >> > WHAT were they thinking????
> >> >
> >> > A user, typical, not savvy, reads and believes the public information
> >> > of
> >> > the
> >> > link above.
> >> > The link DOES not tell the user that they can't save their old data to
> >> > the
> >> > new OS via disk. It only speaks of "Easy Transfer" between two
> >> > computers.
> >> >
> >> > I don't have two computers, anyway. I don't even have the one
> >> > computer
> >> > that I had before the RC1 timeout. I have nothing. I've lost all my
> >> > data---until, it seems, I knuckle under and pay for Ultimate (or will
> >> > Home
> >> > Premium do the "trick").
> >> >
> >> > A rant ends. I'm spent. Please help me? There must be thousands of
> >> > others
> >> > like me today, tearing their hair in regret at ever, ever leaving XP.
> >> >
> >> > I have been a Windows user since 1995. You'd think I'd have learned
> >> > something about it by now. Finally I have learned. Very sorry here.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > That's a boondoggle lie of gargantuan proportions.
> >> > Microsoft has ruined me by locking me out of my own computer.
> >> >
> >> > This deserves a new thread. It is such an literally incredible bit of
> >> > nonsense;
> >> > ANYONE going from any of the trialware Vista to paid-version Vista
> >> > would
> >> > naturally expect to be able to move their data over to the new OS via
> >> > disks.
> >> >
> >> > I can't believe this.
> >> >
> >> > ----------------
> >> > This post is a suggestion for Microsoft, and Microsoft responds to the
> >> > suggestions with the most votes. To vote for this suggestion, click the
> >> > "I
> >> > Agree" button in the message pane. If you do not see the button, follow
> >> > this
> >> > link to open the suggestion in the Microsoft Web-based Newsreader and
> >> > then
> >> > click "I Agree" in the message pane.
> >> >
> >> > [url]http://windowshelp.microsoft.com/communities/newsgroups/en-us/default.mspx?mid=fc6ab26e-9dab-4cb1-977c-019b4ddd22d6&dg=microsoft.public.windows.vista.general[/url]
> >>
> >>[/color][/color]
>
>[/color]

well, i didnt thought too much about it, but, if the backups are on dvd or
another hard drive, you can get back your data if:
1.- install virtual pc or vmware
2.- install the rc1 into a virtual machine, same edition from where you made
the backup (ultimate)
3.- ensure the virtual machine sees the backup media and try to restore the
backup into the virtual machine
4.- move your data from the virtual machine to your real machine, either by
net, additions or whatever you want to use :-)

as it is timebombed, try to set the virtual machine date to before june and
cut out its internet connection, that (probably) will give you enough room
and time to do your things

on a sidenote, i didnt tried to do this, but if your backup media gets seen
to the virtual machine, it should work flawlessly, i think

"Lowered Expectations" <LoweredExpectations@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote
in message news:FC6AB26E-9DAB-4CB1-977C-019B4DDD22D6@microsoft.com...
[color=blue]
> So I'm screwed. I paid for Vista. I can't have my data back unless I get
> (am told elswhere here) Ultimate or something near that.
>
> Phooey. If anyone has a solution short of suicide of the user, please
> tell.
> WHAT were they thinking????[/color]

Set up a Virtual Machine (VMware ought to work, not sure about Virtual PC
2007 and Vista basic).

Install a _trial_ version of Vista Ultimate in the virtual machine.
Restore backup in virtual machine
Transfer data to the real machine from the virtual machine.
Make sure you've got everything then delete \ uninstall the virtual machine.
Pour yourself a drink of whatever your favourate beverage is for a victory
sip. You've earned it.

--
Robert Moir
[url]http://www.rhymeswithgeek.com[/url]

Kudos! Thank you, Robert, for such positive and creative thinking.
Because I am a dummy (this is the first time for me to hear about VM), and
because my track record with even simple installations is not too good, I
probably should just bite the weenie they want me to eat, and pay for the
upgrade. That will be a moral defeat, sure, but it is promised by "Anytime
Upgrade" to be super EZ and safe.

Really though, if I buy the upgrade key for $199 from Amazon, that's a 100kb
download, and there, it's done. Microsoft makes no mention of any
possibility of loss of the license key or possibility of failure. Microsoft
leads me to want to believe that they never gloss or oversimplify prospects,
in order, I guess to brighten their primrose path. Maybe I should trust them
again, inasmuch as their gun is at my head.

To be very sure, however =I only need to know now=, that IF I upgrade this
present "clean install" of Basic, to Ultimate,

then can I for sure for sure for sure! regain my former files, programs,
settings of the RC1 installation?
Thanks!

____________________
Robert, I am a poet-type of comic fool. In appreciation for your aid and
positive thinking... Virtual Machine? Hard to believe, but I never heard of
"VM" stuff before now. You fire my imagination. You get for a gift, what
used to be called an "ode".
And although humorous, the appreciation extended to you is genuine:


=Ode to Robert Moir=

I would lay a laurel
at your VM feet
if I had a laurel
and United Parcel's fleet...

....if I even knew
what a laurel was,
and if I had some VM hands
instead of my mental fuzz.



"Robert Moir" wrote:
[color=blue]
>
> "Lowered Expectations" <LoweredExpectations@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote
> in message news:FC6AB26E-9DAB-4CB1-977C-019B4DDD22D6@microsoft.com...
>[color=green]
> > So I'm screwed. I paid for Vista. I can't have my data back unless I get
> > (am told elswhere here) Ultimate or something near that.
> >
> > Phooey. If anyone has a solution short of suicide of the user, please
> > tell.
> > WHAT were they thinking????[/color]
>
> Set up a Virtual Machine (VMware ought to work, not sure about Virtual PC
> 2007 and Vista basic).
>
> Install a _trial_ version of Vista Ultimate in the virtual machine.
> Restore backup in virtual machine
> Transfer data to the real machine from the virtual machine.
> Make sure you've got everything then delete \ uninstall the virtual machine.
> Pour yourself a drink of whatever your favourate beverage is for a victory
> sip. You've earned it.
>
> --
> Robert Moir
> [url]http://www.rhymeswithgeek.com[/url]
>
>
>[/color]

Jume, thank you very much for your time in sharing a good idea.
See Robert Moir's input--similar to your idea--I am gonna knuckle under and
pay for the upgrade key.

Everyone agrees (?) that if I do that, I can restore my date from the RC1's
totalbackup disk set?

Thank you sir, for your help.

"Jume" wrote:
[color=blue]
> well, i didnt thought too much about it, but, if the backups are on dvd or
> another hard drive, you can get back your data if:
> 1.- install virtual pc or vmware
> 2.- install the rc1 into a virtual machine, same edition from where you made
> the backup (ultimate)
> 3.- ensure the virtual machine sees the backup media and try to restore the
> backup into the virtual machine
> 4.- move your data from the virtual machine to your real machine, either by
> net, additions or whatever you want to use :-)
>
> as it is timebombed, try to set the virtual machine date to before june and
> cut out its internet connection, that (probably) will give you enough room
> and time to do your things
>
> on a sidenote, i didnt tried to do this, but if your backup media gets seen
> to the virtual machine, it should work flawlessly, i think
>
>[/color]

"Cal Bear '66" wrote:
[color=blue]
> If Vista Ultimate is the ONLY version that can create complete PC backups then
> it seems to make sense to me that ONLY Vista Ultimate will be able to use
> complete PC backups.
>
> --
> I Bleed Blue and Gold
> GO BEARS![/color]


Yessir, it seems that way. Who would've presumed that before this
revelation, that a Windows system would no longer allow backups from disks
unless you had paid maximum $?

I raise a cup of red I bleed to toast your Blue and Gold champs.
Wish best wishes, may your Cal Bears never go up against the Microsoft
Marketers.

Thanks guy!

Cal Bear '66 wrote:[color=blue]
> "back up any D A T A"
> Obviously you misread, DATA does not include programs and settings.
>[/color]
LOL Exactly! He has posted the link several times as evidence of the so
called lie, and sadly I wonder if he really actually read it. If they
really wanted you to use the actual built in backup, I believe they
would have clearly stated that, and reminded you of what would be needed
in order to use that backup later on. Sheesh, not only that, but clearly
at the bottom of the page it states that the user will be granted 2 hour
sessions, (Logins), for data retrieval for a limited amount of time. So
I suggest that Mr Lowered Expectations get very busy right away and USE
the granted 2 hour sessions before THAT time runs out! (Rather than
ranting and ravening here) So get to it buddy! ...Before you REALLY
loose it all!

Cheers

"Robert Moir" <robspamtrap******.com> wrote in message
news:un5wGxbpHHA.4032@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
[color=blue]
>
> Set up a Virtual Machine (VMware ought to work, not sure about Virtual PC
> 2007 and Vista basic).
>
> Install a _trial_ version of Vista Ultimate in the virtual machine.
> Restore backup in virtual machine[/color]


Is it even possible to install the trial at this date, given that it had an
expiration date? Sure, you could change the date on your computer to "fool"
the installation software. But I don't recall if the installation has to
connect with Microsoft before it's fully functional.

"Lowered Expectations" <LoweredExpectations@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote
in message news:59BCFE3E-C432-4F66-B246-8A6106036FC0@microsoft.com...
[color=blue]
>
> To be very sure, however =I only need to know now=, that IF I upgrade this
> present "clean install" of Basic, to Ultimate,
>
> then can I for sure for sure for sure! regain my former files, programs,
> settings of the RC1 installation?[/color]

There are folks 10 times as knowledgeable on this issue than I am. But until
one of them answers, let me raise a caution flag. You backed up your data
using the backup software on a TRIAL version of an OS. It was probably very
close to what was finally released to market. But if there were any issues
with the backup software that were later fixed when OS was released (and/or
through later updates), then I suppose it is conceivable that the data you
backed up could be incompatible with the final version of Vista Ultimate.
In my not-completely-informed opinion, I'd say that's highly unlikely, but
since you're looking for a definitive answer, I thought I'd let you know.

BTW: You mentioned something about $199 for the download from Amazon. When I
bought Vista Ultimate 64-bit, I got the OEM version for that price from New
Egg. You might consider that. You would actually have the media in hand
rather than having to do a download. And depending on how you bought Vista
Basic, you might be able to sell the Basic to someone else, or install it on
another computer.
If you don't want 64-bit, I don't recall if the 32-bit Ultimate OEM was
cheaper or not.

And next time you are asked to back up data, do that.. creating an image is
not the same as backing up data..


"Lowered Expectations" <LoweredExpectations@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote
in message news:59BCFE3E-C432-4F66-B246-8A6106036FC0@microsoft.com...[color=blue]
>
>
> Kudos! Thank you, Robert, for such positive and creative thinking.
> Because I am a dummy (this is the first time for me to hear about VM), and
> because my track record with even simple installations is not too good, I
> probably should just bite the weenie they want me to eat, and pay for the
> upgrade. That will be a moral defeat, sure, but it is promised by
> "Anytime
> Upgrade" to be super EZ and safe.
>
> Really though, if I buy the upgrade key for $199 from Amazon, that's a
> 100kb
> download, and there, it's done. Microsoft makes no mention of any
> possibility of loss of the license key or possibility of failure.
> Microsoft
> leads me to want to believe that they never gloss or oversimplify
> prospects,
> in order, I guess to brighten their primrose path. Maybe I should trust
> them
> again, inasmuch as their gun is at my head.
>
> To be very sure, however =I only need to know now=, that IF I upgrade this
> present "clean install" of Basic, to Ultimate,
>
> then can I for sure for sure for sure! regain my former files, programs,
> settings of the RC1 installation?
> Thanks!
>
> ____________________
> Robert, I am a poet-type of comic fool. In appreciation for your aid and
> positive thinking... Virtual Machine? Hard to believe, but I never heard
> of
> "VM" stuff before now. You fire my imagination. You get for a gift, what
> used to be called an "ode".
> And although humorous, the appreciation extended to you is genuine:
>
>
> =Ode to Robert Moir=
>
> I would lay a laurel
> at your VM feet
> if I had a laurel
> and United Parcel's fleet...
>
> ...if I even knew
> what a laurel was,
> and if I had some VM hands
> instead of my mental fuzz.
>
>
>
> "Robert Moir" wrote:
>[color=green]
>>
>> "Lowered Expectations" <LoweredExpectations@discussions.microsoft.com>
>> wrote
>> in message news:FC6AB26E-9DAB-4CB1-977C-019B4DDD22D6@microsoft.com...
>>[color=darkred]
>> > So I'm screwed. I paid for Vista. I can't have my data back unless I
>> > get
>> > (am told elswhere here) Ultimate or something near that.
>> >
>> > Phooey. If anyone has a solution short of suicide of the user, please
>> > tell.
>> > WHAT were they thinking????[/color]
>>
>> Set up a Virtual Machine (VMware ought to work, not sure about Virtual PC
>> 2007 and Vista basic).
>>
>> Install a _trial_ version of Vista Ultimate in the virtual machine.
>> Restore backup in virtual machine
>> Transfer data to the real machine from the virtual machine.
>> Make sure you've got everything then delete \ uninstall the virtual
>> machine.
>> Pour yourself a drink of whatever your favourate beverage is for a
>> victory
>> sip. You've earned it.
>>
>> --
>> Robert Moir
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Mike Hall
MS MVP Windows Shell/User
[url]http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/[/url]

"Lowered Expectations" <LoweredExpectations@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote
in message news:FC6AB26E-9DAB-4CB1-977C-019B4DDD22D6@microsoft.com...[color=blue]
> Pardon, please this rant. First: thanks to the gents here who have
> already
> answered my earlier questions.
>[/color]
You have posted the link several times as evidence of the so called lie, and
sadly I wonder if you really actually read it. If they really wanted you to
use the actual built in backup, I believe they would have clearly stated
that, and reminded you of what would be needed in order to use that backup
later on. It merely stated to be sure to back up your DATA. Sheesh, not only
that, but clearly at the bottom of the page under "Additional Information"
it states that the user will be granted 2 hour sessions, (Logins), for data
retrieval for a limited amount of time. So I suggest that Mr Lowered
Expectations get very busy right away and USE the granted 2 hour sessions
before THAT time runs out too! (Rather than ranting and ravening here) So
get to it buddy! ...Before you REALLY loose it all! (Or have a heck of a
time getting it back)

Cheers


<Snip!>

>The Windows Vista Upgrade must be the same language version as the [color=blue]
>pre-release version you are replacing.[/color]

You did post the above which I pasted\copied .What do you think it means ?? It means that the version that you need to purchase to Upgrade your RC1 has to be the same version as your RC1 or higher in the same language that you had as the Beta,

Home Basic does not apply to the above since it is a lower version than your RC1.

It is in Black and White which you did not understand


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Peter

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"Lowered Expectations" <LoweredExpectations@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:7C3B9CB2-83B5-4719-B764-8F249D93B11D@microsoft.com...[color=blue]
> quoted from:
> [url]http://www.microsoft.com/windows/products/windowsvista/preview.mspx[/url]
>
> Windows Vista: Beta 2, RC1, and RC2 Set to Expire
> On May 31, 2007, pre-release versions of Windows Vista will expire. If you
> are running a pre-release version of Windows Vista (Beta 2, RC1, or RC2) you
> will begin to receive notifications about the upcoming expiration on May 18,
> 2007. To avoid work disruption and the loss of data, it is strongly
> recommended that PC users running any of these pre-release versions of
> Windows Vista migrate their PCs to the final version of Windows Vista prior
> to May 31.
>
> To install the final version of Windows Vista on any of these pre-release
> versions of Windows Vista, you may purchase the desired Windows Vista
> Upgrade. The Windows Vista Upgrade must be the same language version as the
> pre-release version you are replacing.
>
> If you participated in the Customer Preview Program, you have been using a
> pre-release version of Windows Vista Ultimate. Windows Vista Ultimate is the
> most complete edition of Windows Vista—with the power, security, and mobility
> features that you need for work, and all of the entertainment features that
> you want for fun.
>
> The table below outlines the upgrade options from the different versions of
> pre-release Windows Vista:
>
>
>
>
> Windows Vista Ultimate RTM Other editions of Windows Vista RTM Previous
> version of Windows
>
> Windows Vista Beta 2
> Clean install with Ultimate Upgrade
> Clean install with Upgrade version of desired edition
> Clean install with full version
>
> Windows Vista RC1
> In-place upgrade or clean install with Ultimate Upgrade
> Clean install with Upgrade version of desired edition
> Clean install with full version
>
> Windows Vista RC2
> Clean install with Ultimate Upgrade
> Clean install with Upgrade version of desired edition
> Clean install with full version
>
>
>
> A clean install means your current version of Windows, including all of your
> files, settings, and programs, is automatically replaced. You must back up
> any data as this process will overwrite any data that you have on your hard
> disk or on your installation partition. The overwritten data will be lost and
> unrecoverable.
>
> An in-place upgrade means you can install Windows Vista and keep your
> programs, files, and settings from your current version of Windows. It is
> still strongly recommended that you back up any data prior to initiating the
> upgrade.
>
> Make sure the PC you have is the PC you have always wanted. Purchase and
> download the Windows Vista Ultimate Upgrade or any desired edition now by
> going to [url]http://www.windowsmarketplace.com/upgradenow[/url].
>
> _____________end quote_________________
>
>
> To reiterate the key point of misleading information:
> "It is still strongly recommended that you back up any data prior to
> initiating the upgrade"
>
> I did exactly that, via the only means I knew how: total backup---to
> preserveall files and programs and settings.
>
> Now, someone (Peter?) please tell me where on that page, or on any MS page
> =in prominent public view=, where do they tell the gazillion RC users, that
> their backups will only re-apply data into Ultimate?
>
> And, where is the warning, tht if they buy a low-grade Vista, then the
> prescribed backup disks of no use, not even to put to some other operating
> system.
>
> We, the great majority of computer users, are not expert nor are we lawyers.
>
> We only know when we have been had.
>
>[/color]

"Peter Foldes" <okf22********.com> wrote in
news:OWCi$RdpHHA.3880@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl:
[color=blue][color=green]
>>The Windows Vista Upgrade must be the same language version as the
>>pre-release version you are replacing.[/color]
>
> You did post the above which I pasted\copied .What do you think it
> means ?? It means that the version that you need to purchase to
> Upgrade your RC1 has to be the same version as your RC1 or higher in
> the same language that you had as the Beta,
>
> Home Basic does not apply to the above since it is a lower version
> than your RC1.
>
> It is in Black and White which you did not understand[/color]

The sentence quoted has nothing to do with Basic, Home, Utimate, or
Business.

In black and white it says '...must be the same language version', which
indicates it must be an English version to replace and English version,
Spanish for Spanish, etc.

I agree.


-Michael

* Richard Urban:[color=blue]
> Sorry for your problems but one of the warnings (and it was posted
> prominently on the Vista beta download pages) is that if you can't afford to
> possibly lose everything, you should not experiment with beta's.
>
> This has been common sense knowledge - and published knowledge - since
> "forever".
>
> You made the choice to experiment with Vista Ultimate beta. YOU are the one
> who decided to take the chance. I did also, for about 2 years now. Because I
> was prepared, I lost nothing. You just were not prepared to play around with
> beta's. Lessen learned!
>
> Again, sorry you were stung - but you were warned on the beta download
> pages.
>[/color]