"Shenan Stanley" <newshelper******.com> wrote in message
news:u1aJCQ2LHHA.3268@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...[color=blue]
> bjackson445 wrote:[color=green]
>> Microsoft's support site...
>> [url]http://support.microsoft.com/kb/917607[/url]
>>
>> claims that Vista will not include support for Windows "HLP" files.
>> For anyone out there who has any version of 32-bit Vista (Beta, RC1,
>> etc.) have you had any problems running *.hlp files?[/color]
>
>
> Read this:
> [url]http://stcforum.org/viewtopic.php?pid=2568[/url]
>
> BTW - that is quite the cross-post you got going...
>
> Also...
>
> [url]http://forums.microsoft.com/TechNet/ShowPost.aspx?PostID=752282&SiteID=17[/url][/color]

I subtracted two and added one newsgroup to the cross-post.
Although WinHlp32.exe hasn't yet been made available by Microsoft for Vista,
Shareware HelpExplorer_Win32 3.0 will install and open "HLP" files on Vista.
It's $30 after 30 days, in case there's still no WinHlp32.exe after January
31st:
[url]http://www.surfpack.com/software/hxs/[/url]

The are not supported in Vista.

"Michael Jennings" <metarhyme******.com> wrote in message
news:eaFNXJ8LHHA.320@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...[color=blue]
> "Shenan Stanley" <newshelper******.com> wrote in message
> news:u1aJCQ2LHHA.3268@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...[color=green]
>> bjackson445 wrote:[color=darkred]
>>> Microsoft's support site...
>>> [url]http://support.microsoft.com/kb/917607[/url]
>>>
>>> claims that Vista will not include support for Windows "HLP" files.
>>> For anyone out there who has any version of 32-bit Vista (Beta, RC1,
>>> etc.) have you had any problems running *.hlp files?[/color]
>>
>>
>> Read this:
>> [url]http://stcforum.org/viewtopic.php?pid=2568[/url]
>>
>> BTW - that is quite the cross-post you got going...
>>
>> Also...
>>
>> [url]http://forums.microsoft.com/TechNet/ShowPost.aspx?PostID=752282&SiteID=17[/url][/color]
>
> I subtracted two and added one newsgroup to the cross-post.
> Although WinHlp32.exe hasn't yet been made available by Microsoft for
> Vista,
> Shareware HelpExplorer_Win32 3.0 will install and open "HLP" files on
> Vista.
> It's $30 after 30 days, in case there's still no WinHlp32.exe after
> January 31st:
> [url]http://www.surfpack.com/software/hxs/[/url]
>[/color]

Correct. Edlin is still there if you know about it, so why not HLP.
I suppose unsupported when WinHlp32.exe becomes available:
[url]http://support.microsoft.com/kb/917607[/url]
It isn't available yet. In the meantime, there's HelpExplorer_Win32
for those who insist on HLP and are waiting for WinHlp32.exe.
My apologies for *not* top posting my first response.

"Colin Barnhorst" <colinbarharst@msn.com> wrote in message
news:%23uPA1O8LHHA.4384@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...[color=blue]
> The are not supported in Vista.
>
> "Michael Jennings" <metarhyme******.com> wrote in message
> news:eaFNXJ8LHHA.320@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...[color=green]
>> "Shenan Stanley" <newshelper******.com> wrote in message
>> news:u1aJCQ2LHHA.3268@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...[color=darkred]
>>> bjackson445 wrote:
>>>> Microsoft's support site...
>>>> [url]http://support.microsoft.com/kb/917607[/url]
>>>>
>>>> claims that Vista will not include support for Windows "HLP" files.
>>>> For anyone out there who has any version of 32-bit Vista (Beta, RC1,
>>>> etc.) have you had any problems running *.hlp files?
>>>
>>>
>>> Read this:
>>> [url]http://stcforum.org/viewtopic.php?pid=2568[/url]
>>>
>>> BTW - that is quite the cross-post you got going...
>>>
>>> Also...
>>>
>>> [url]http://forums.microsoft.com/TechNet/ShowPost.aspx?PostID=752282&SiteID=17[/url][/color]
>>
>> I subtracted two and added one newsgroup to the cross-post.
>> Although WinHlp32.exe hasn't yet been made available by Microsoft for
>> Vista,
>> Shareware HelpExplorer_Win32 3.0 will install and open "HLP" files on
>> Vista.
>> It's $30 after 30 days, in case there's still no WinHlp32.exe after
>> January 31st:
>> [url]http://www.surfpack.com/software/hxs/[/url]
>>[/color]
>[/color]

"Colin Barnhorst" <colinbarharst@msn.com> wrote in message
news:%23uPA1O8LHHA.4384@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...[color=blue]
> "Michael Jennings" <metarhyme******.com> wrote in message
> news:eaFNXJ8LHHA.320@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...[color=green]
>> "Shenan Stanley" <newshelper******.com> wrote in message
>> news:u1aJCQ2LHHA.3268@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...[color=darkred]
>>> bjackson445 wrote:
>>>> Microsoft's support site...
>>>> [url]http://support.microsoft.com/kb/917607[/url]
>>>>
>>>> claims that Vista will not include support for Windows "HLP" files.
>>>> For anyone out there who has any version of 32-bit Vista (Beta, RC1,
>>>> etc.) have you had any problems running *.hlp files?[/color][/color][/color]
[...][color=blue]
> The are not supported in Vista.[/color]

Colin,

Not to attack you personally, but you should've following original thread
posting order. It was bottom-post and you created a mess by
top-post-replying to it. It is really a pain to follow a thread that has a
mix of top- and bottom-posts.

For anyone concerned - it is quite easy to fix the mess if you catch first
reply in wrong order - just move it up/down when you reply to the thread.

--
Alexander Suhovey

"Michael Jennings" <metarhyme******.com> wrote in message
news:OejV%23e8LHHA.780@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...[color=blue]
> Correct. Edlin is still there if you know about it, so why not HLP.[/color]

It's pretty obvious - to discourage its continued use.

ss.

very old and long debate top\bottom posting. I do as you see

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Peter

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"Alexander Suhovey" <asuhovey******.com> wrote in message news:CF451C50-E7E5-490F-9958-AE704E454C2C@microsoft.com...[color=blue]
> "Colin Barnhorst" <colinbarharst@msn.com> wrote in message
> news:%23uPA1O8LHHA.4384@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...[color=green]
>> "Michael Jennings" <metarhyme******.com> wrote in message
>> news:eaFNXJ8LHHA.320@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...[color=darkred]
>>> "Shenan Stanley" <newshelper******.com> wrote in message
>>> news:u1aJCQ2LHHA.3268@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>>> bjackson445 wrote:
>>>>> Microsoft's support site...
>>>>> [url]http://support.microsoft.com/kb/917607[/url]
>>>>>
>>>>> claims that Vista will not include support for Windows "HLP" files.
>>>>> For anyone out there who has any version of 32-bit Vista (Beta, RC1,
>>>>> etc.) have you had any problems running *.hlp files?[/color][/color]
> [...][color=green]
>> The are not supported in Vista.[/color]
>
> Colin,
>
> Not to attack you personally, but you should've following original thread
> posting order. It was bottom-post and you created a mess by
> top-post-replying to it. It is really a pain to follow a thread that has a
> mix of top- and bottom-posts.
>
> For anyone concerned - it is quite easy to fix the mess if you catch first
> reply in wrong order - just move it up/down when you reply to the thread.
>
> --
> Alexander Suhovey
>
>[/color]

Me, too. Top post/bottom post ... as long as the information is correct,
who gives a fig ? ;)

Peter Foldes wrote:
[color=blue]
> very old and long debate top\bottom posting. I do as you see
>[/color]

I'd still like to know why this was posted to windowsupdate since it has
nothing to do with updating. Perhaps I'll crosspost it to Windows 3.1 to
find out.


MowGreen [MVP 2003-2007]
===============
*-343-* FDNY
Never Forgotten
===============

I do both ways and am quite comfortable with both. My concern was mixing
top- and bottom-posting in same conversation. Just take a look at mess
below.

--
Alexander Suhovey

"Peter Foldes" <okf22********.com> wrote in message
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very old and long debate top\bottom posting. I do as you see

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"Alexander Suhovey" <asuhovey******.com> wrote in message
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> "Colin Barnhorst" <colinbarharst@msn.com> wrote in message
> news:%23uPA1O8LHHA.4384@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...[color=green]
>> "Michael Jennings" <metarhyme******.com> wrote in message
>> news:eaFNXJ8LHHA.320@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...[color=darkred]
>>> "Shenan Stanley" <newshelper******.com> wrote in message
>>> news:u1aJCQ2LHHA.3268@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>>> bjackson445 wrote:
>>>>> Microsoft's support site...
>>>>> [url]http://support.microsoft.com/kb/917607[/url]
>>>>>
>>>>> claims that Vista will not include support for Windows "HLP" files.
>>>>> For anyone out there who has any version of 32-bit Vista (Beta, RC1,
>>>>> etc.) have you had any problems running *.hlp files?[/color][/color]
> [...][color=green]
>> The are not supported in Vista.[/color]
>
> Colin,
>
> Not to attack you personally, but you should've following original thread
> posting order. It was bottom-post and you created a mess by
> top-post-replying to it. It is really a pain to follow a thread that has a
> mix of top- and bottom-posts.
>
> For anyone concerned - it is quite easy to fix the mess if you catch first
> reply in wrong order - just move it up/down when you reply to the thread.
>
> --
> Alexander Suhovey
>
>[/color]

"Synapse Syndrome" <synapse@NOSPAMgomez404.elitemail.org> wrote in message news:e5aUQN$LHHA.4708@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...[color=blue]
> "Michael Jennings" <metarhyme******.com> wrote in message
> news:OejV%23e8LHHA.780@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...[color=green]
>> Correct. Edlin is still there if you know about it, so why not HLP.[/color]
>
> It's pretty obvious - to discourage its continued use.[/color]

"its" is not a clear reference: at first I thought you meant Edlin, and
laughed in agreement. Using it generally discourages its continued use.

Like HLP has been taken out of Vista, Edlin was taken out of DOS,
but enough Edlin users seem to exist for it to return in XP and its also
in Vista, after enduring a banishment of about ten years. Try it!

"Michael Jennings" <metarhyme******.com> wrote in message
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> "Synapse Syndrome" <synapse@NOSPAMgomez404.elitemail.org> wrote in message
> news:e5aUQN$LHHA.4708@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...[color=green]
>> "Michael Jennings" <metarhyme******.com> wrote in message
>> news:OejV%23e8LHHA.780@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...[color=darkred]
>>> Correct. Edlin is still there if you know about it, so why not HLP.[/color]
>>
>> It's pretty obvious - to discourage its continued use.[/color]
>
> "its" is not a clear reference: at first I thought you meant Edlin, and
> laughed in agreement. Using it generally discourages its continued use.
>
> Like HLP has been taken out of Vista, Edlin was taken out of DOS,
> but enough Edlin users seem to exist for it to return in XP and its also
> in Vista, after enduring a banishment of about ten years. Try it!
>[/color]


"Edlin was taken out of DOS" ?? Maybe you meant some version of DOS based
Windows, like Win95?

I remember using that on my dad's 286. It made absolutely no sense to me at
all. I had an Amiga those days, which was a vastly better computer.

I didn't know it was still in XP, but I did know that progman.exe is.

ss.

"Michael Jennings" <metarhyme******.com> wrote in message
news:%239HTGtBMHHA.1240@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...[color=blue]
>
> Like HLP has been taken out of Vista, Edlin was taken out of DOS,
> but enough Edlin users seem to exist for it to return in XP and its also
> in Vista, after enduring a banishment of about ten years. Try it!
>[/color]

I can't seem to open anything with edlin, and after trying the cmd.exe
prompt seems to turn into a 16-bit command.exe prompt.

ss.

"Synapse Syndrome" <synapse@NOSPAMgomez404.elitemail.org> wrote in message news:%23$IRG4BMHHA.1044@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...[color=blue]
> "Michael Jennings" <metarhyme******.com> wrote in message
> news:%239HTGtBMHHA.1240@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...[color=green]
>> Like HLP has been taken out of Vista, Edlin was taken out of DOS,
>> but enough Edlin users seem to exist for it to return in XP and its also
>> in Vista, after enduring a banishment of about ten years. Try it![/color]
>
> I can't seem to open anything with edlin, and after trying the cmd.exe
> prompt seems to turn into a 16-bit command.exe prompt.[/color]

It don't know long file names. If you feed it an existing or new 8+3 text file,
you'll get its asterisk prompt, and can ask " ?<enter> " for all the help that
is available - not much, but at least its list of one letter commands. Another
useful command is Q, which ends the session without any writes to disk. It
will ask, "Abort edit?" to which you must respond Y. It would take much
longer to document it than it took to write it. Banned from DOS, it's back.

"Synapse Syndrome" <synapse@NOSPAMgomez404.elitemail.org> wrote in message
news:%23CVsV1BMHHA.4916@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...[color=blue]
> "Edlin was taken out of DOS" ?? Maybe you meant some version of DOS based
> Windows, like Win95?
>
> I remember using that on my dad's 286. It made absolutely no sense to me
> at all. I had an Amiga those days, which was a vastly better computer.
>
> I didn't know it was still in XP, but I did know that progman.exe is.[/color]

Edlin certainly was not part of DOS 6.22 - it might have lasted until DOS 5.
Maybe progman, which is gone from Vista, will be back in blackcomb, but
somebody who gets to say would need to feel like putting his foot down.