I've gotten to the point where I feel like punching my monitor because it's
just gotten out of hand. Basically, Internet Explorer under Vista crashes
every single day for me. I had previously pinned it on Flash because a few
of the early messages have said that's the culprit (although really, IE
still should be able to sandbox it enough not to crash the **** thing), but
now I've turned Flash off, and it STILL happens. Is this something that is
indicative of Vista in general (in other words, does pretty much everyone
have this kind of "performance") or potentially something particular to my
machine's setup? It was annoying, but after months of this, it's now to the
point of being infuriating.

Ever want to know how to turn a Microsoft apologist into an anti-Microsoft
person? Install Vista on his machine. By far the most unstable and
frustrating piece of Microsoft software I have ever installed on my machine

"Keith Patrick" wrote[color=blue]
> I've gotten to the point where I feel like punching my monitor because
> it's just gotten out of hand. Basically, Internet Explorer under Vista
> crashes every single day for me. I had previously pinned it on Flash
> because a few of the early messages have said that's the culprit (although
> really, IE still should be able to sandbox it enough not to crash the ****
> thing), but now I've turned Flash off, and it STILL happens. Is this
> something that is indicative of Vista in general (in other words, does
> pretty much everyone have this kind of "performance") or potentially
> something particular to my machine's setup? It was annoying, but after
> months of this, it's now to the point of being infuriating.
>
> Ever want to know how to turn a Microsoft apologist into an anti-Microsoft
> person? Install Vista on his machine. By far the most unstable and
> frustrating piece of Microsoft software I have ever installed on my
> machine[/color]

IE hasn't crashed once here, on Vista Ultimate, since it was installed in
November. I'm on all day/everyday. I haven't installed Flash. No I don't
think this is a common bug, though you are not the only one to see it.

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"Keith Patrick" <richard_keith_patrick@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:emEKoJloHHA.4412@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...[color=blue]
> I've gotten to the point where I feel like punching my monitor because
> it's just gotten out of hand. Basically, Internet Explorer under Vista
> crashes every single day for me. I had previously pinned it on Flash
> because a few of the early messages have said that's the culprit (although
> really, IE still should be able to sandbox it enough not to crash the ****
> thing), but now I've turned Flash off, and it STILL happens. Is this
> something that is indicative of Vista in general (in other words, does
> pretty much everyone have this kind of "performance") or potentially
> something particular to my machine's setup? It was annoying, but after
> months of this, it's now to the point of being infuriating.
>
> Ever want to know how to turn a Microsoft apologist into an anti-Microsoft
> person? Install Vista on his machine. By far the most unstable and
> frustrating piece of Microsoft software I have ever installed on my
> machine[/color]


I've had Vista Ultimate x64 up and running for several months now and IE has
never crashed in all that time. It looks like something peculiar to your
setup. Actually, I run dozens and dozens of applications and have some
pretty mean hardware and other than a very occasional BSOD I have had only a
few crashes of any sort.

Does anything else crash or is it just IE?

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And loving it,

-Q
_________________________________________________
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(Replace the "SixFour" with numbers to email me)

Run it without any add-ons, it's in Accessories-System Tools, and see if
that helps. Then you can slowly turn them back on and see which one, if any,
is the culprit.
I had a problem like that with a program that adds to the right click menu.
--
Ray Rogers

"Keith Patrick" <richard_keith_patrick@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:emEKoJloHHA.4412@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...[color=blue]
> I've gotten to the point where I feel like punching my monitor because
> it's just gotten out of hand. Basically, Internet Explorer under Vista
> crashes every single day for me. I had previously pinned it on Flash
> because a few of the early messages have said that's the culprit (although
> really, IE still should be able to sandbox it enough not to crash the ****
> thing), but now I've turned Flash off, and it STILL happens. Is this
> something that is indicative of Vista in general (in other words, does
> pretty much everyone have this kind of "performance") or potentially
> something particular to my machine's setup? It was annoying, but after
> months of this, it's now to the point of being infuriating.
>
> Ever want to know how to turn a Microsoft apologist into an anti-Microsoft
> person? Install Vista on his machine. By far the most unstable and
> frustrating piece of Microsoft software I have ever installed on my
> machine
>[/color]

Just IE. Especially when it receives focus. The window will gray out, and
then I get a Dr Watson message (but with no indication of the cause since I
shut down Flash).
Now, I do happen to do a LOT of web browsing (hundreds of links a day),
which may explain why it happens so often for me. Could also be that I'm
running an upgrade of Vista rather than a clean install, but given the
myriad of other Vista issues (icon caching and UIs that won't update when
their datasources update are particularly in-your-face problems)

I'm hoping (probably foolishly) that the first service pack will fix a lot
of these really obvious ones, but my suspicion is that the SP will come late
next year and address a bunch of security and compatibility issues instead
of bugs that I can see. This is coming from a software developer
disenchanted with the state of the industry these days...the "good enough"
bar has been lowered so that competitors can keep up with each other. Net
loss, IMO.

What's the current crash information from the Problem Reports and Solutions
center? The fault bucket number:
[url]http://zachd.com/pss/pss.html#bucket[/url]
would be very helpful.

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"Keith Patrick" <richard_keith_patrick@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:emEKoJloHHA.4412@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...[color=blue]
> I've gotten to the point where I feel like punching my monitor because
> it's just gotten out of hand. Basically, Internet Explorer under Vista
> crashes every single day for me. I had previously pinned it on Flash
> because a few of the early messages have said that's the culprit (although
> really, IE still should be able to sandbox it enough not to crash the ****
> thing), but now I've turned Flash off, and it STILL happens. Is this
> something that is indicative of Vista in general (in other words, does
> pretty much everyone have this kind of "performance") or potentially
> something particular to my machine's setup? It was annoying, but after
> months of this, it's now to the point of being infuriating.
>
> Ever want to know how to turn a Microsoft apologist into an anti-Microsoft
> person? Install Vista on his machine. By far the most unstable and
> frustrating piece of Microsoft software I have ever installed on my
> machine
>[/color]

"Keith Patrick" wrote
[color=blue]
> I'm hoping (probably foolishly) that the first service pack will fix a lot
> of these really obvious ones, but my suspicion is that the SP will come
> late next year and address a bunch of security and compatibility issues
> instead of bugs that I can see.[/color]

Late "next" year? It's scheduled to be released when Longhorn Server is
released which will come out at the SP1 level. The two will be in sync.
That is scheduled, AFAIK, for the end of _this_ year.

--
Rock [MS-MVP User/Shell]

Several different ones. Here are a few:
347223466
347154985
346005991


Some of the more recent ones show up as having not been reported

I was (hopefully) exaggerating. They haven't been very good at hitting their
SP targets (Visual Studio 2005, for example, was supposed to have its pack
out in September but it didn't release until November or so; a month or two
may not seem like much, but when you are a software developer, and your IDE
crashes every time you modify code during a breakpoint stop, it's an
eternity spent cursing MS' quality control department). Regardless, it'll
still be 2 quarters at a minimum before these types of bugs get fixed (MS
generally doesn't fix this kind of thing with hotfixes)

Hi Keith,

Incompatible or malignant plug-ins usually cause this problem. Try the steps
I outlined for XP here, it's basically the same for IE in Vista:
[url]http://rickrogers.org/fixes.htm#plugin[/url]

--
Best of Luck,

Rick Rogers, aka "Nutcase" - Microsoft MVP
[url]http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/[/url]
Windows help - [url]www.rickrogers.org[/url]
My thoughts [url]http://rick-mvp.blogspot.com[/url]

"Keith Patrick" <richard_keith_patrick@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:emEKoJloHHA.4412@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...[color=blue]
> I've gotten to the point where I feel like punching my monitor because
> it's just gotten out of hand. Basically, Internet Explorer under Vista
> crashes every single day for me. I had previously pinned it on Flash
> because a few of the early messages have said that's the culprit (although
> really, IE still should be able to sandbox it enough not to crash the ****
> thing), but now I've turned Flash off, and it STILL happens. Is this
> something that is indicative of Vista in general (in other words, does
> pretty much everyone have this kind of "performance") or potentially
> something particular to my machine's setup? It was annoying, but after
> months of this, it's now to the point of being infuriating.
>
> Ever want to know how to turn a Microsoft apologist into an anti-Microsoft
> person? Install Vista on his machine. By far the most unstable and
> frustrating piece of Microsoft software I have ever installed on my
> machine
>[/color]

I've already shut down the only non-MS (and non-bundled) plug-ins: Flash and
Adoble PDF Link Reader. It's royally screwed up my web browsing experience
(can't view the MS Surface web page, for example) It's basically ****ed if
you do, ****ed if you don't.

"Keith Patrick" <richard_keith_patrick@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote:
[color=blue]
> I've gotten to the point where I feel like punching my monitor[/color]

Only the people who make Bandaids would recommend that! ;-)
[color=blue]
> Basically, Internet Explorer under Vista crashes every single day
> for me. I had previously pinned it on Flash because a few of the
> early messages have said that's the culprit (although really, IE
> still should be able to sandbox it enough not to crash the ****
> thing), but now I've turned Flash off, and it STILL happens. Is
> this something that is indicative of Vista in general (in other
> words, does pretty much everyone have this kind of "performance")
> or potentially something particular to my machine's setup? It was
> annoying, but after months of this, it's now to the point of being
> infuriating.[/color]

I don't blame you. It's your machine's setup but I can't imagine what
it might be? The only suggestion I can make is to examine everything
you've installed on the machine regardless if it relates to IE or not.
Something is doing it, can you recall a time when it didn't crash? If
so, what have you installed since then? What firewalls/AVs/malware
detectors are you running? Have you tried turning off all such
programs and then going to a site you know to be safe to see if it's
better? (safe sites = your own webpage if you have one or
Microsoft.com)
[color=blue]
> Ever want to know how to turn a Microsoft apologist into an
> anti-Microsoft person? Install Vista on his machine. By far the
> most unstable and frustrating piece of Microsoft software I have
> ever installed on my machine[/color]

I'm running Vista Ultimate 64 bit and other than a bit of frustration
getting updated drivers for some hardware I've experienced no problems
and I'm pretty sure your computer will run as well, we just have to
find the problem.

BTW, what about memory? That might be a cause of the problem, if
you're using more than one stick of ram, remove all but one, try the
computer and if it's OK, replace that one stick with the other(s) to
see if one is causing to problem.

And finally (probably should have been the first thing to check), the
old, reliable, system crasher, your video card. Check to see you have
the latest drivers, if you don't, then update, if you do, try reverting
to earlier drivers. You might try using whatever Vista installs and
see if that helps.


Let us know, please.

--
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The Usenet Improvement Project: [url]http://blinkynet.net/comp/uip5.html[/url]

Without getting into my entire system setup, most of the software on my
machine is Microsoft. I don't install games, don't use non-MS antivirus,
etc. I use the machine mainly for email (Outlook 03), web browsing (IE), and
software development (VS2005). The main non-MS software on my system are the
"essential" Adobe reader apps (Flash, Acrobat Reader).
Not sure I want to try my machine with 1 stick of RAM. It's sluggish enough
with a GB...1/2 has got to suck balls.

Those are all very specifically crashes in Flash9b.ocx 9.0.28.0 (those are
all slightly common crash buckets, but they all intersect there and each is
99.99% uniquely associated to Flash9b.ocx ), which is evidently still on
your system. Where is that file on your system? You should either
uninstall it, unregister it, or rename it such that it is *actually* off
your system. When that file is gone, you should not hit this crash any
longer. Does that work?

If Flash9b.ocx isn't hidden away on your system right now, that would be a
very strange intersection. It's certainly possible, but we're talking about
less than a 0.1% chance.

If this does work, go to [url]http://adobe.com[/url] and get their Flash 9.0.45.0
update which came out last month. Does that stop you from crashing? Heck,
you could really skip straight to this step if you want - just reboot after
you finish installing, so that Adobe can finish removing the old binaries.
(Their installer won't tell you it needs to do this, so just trust me that
they've dirtied the files-to-remove-on-reboot queue.)

--
Speaking for myself only.
See [url]http://zachd.com/pss/pss.html[/url] for some helpful WMP info.
This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights.
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"Keith Patrick" <richard_keith_patrick@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:%23D7kpCmoHHA.588@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...[color=blue]
> Several different ones. Here are a few:
> 347223466
> 347154985
> 346005991
>
>
> Some of the more recent ones show up as having not been reported
>[/color]