I have Vista Ultimate running on my new Toshiba S-5034 notebook. In
the middle of the night, I don't know exactly when, the thing wakes
up for some reason and sucks up juice! Aaargh!

The notebook gets awfully hot in the bag as the fan struggles to
keep it cool in the confined space. I am left with a weak battery
for my commute too :-(

I thought that hibernate was the deepest power saving mode? The
hardware is completely powered off. It is only that the O/S saves
the CPU and memory state to HDD right and makes a boot-up "note" to
itself to restore the image? Therefore, can any task that was
running in Windows possibly wake up a system in hibernate state? I
don't think so because they aren't running.

Since the notebook is in my bag with no Ethernet or wireless on, I
am sure that Wake-on-LAN (WoL) couldn't possibly be the culprit for
problem or could it?

Yes, I am sure my notebook is in hibernate mode and *not* in sleep
mode. All lights go off on this Toshiba (there is a standby light)
and I have unplugged the notebook's battery and power adapter. I
can successfully resume where I left off after reattaching
everything and powering back on.

Can anyone offer any advice on this problem? TIA!

--

Oh yes, Vista will awaken from a hibernate state. My wife's wireless mouse
adapter will wake her computer if left plugged in overnight. If I remove
the wireless receiver from the USB port it sleeps until dawn. Check
hardware devices (disconnect all), make sure no scheduled tasks are running
and awakening the unit.

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"DRT" <DRT@nospam.net> wrote in message
news:uQl5i.5142$sk.4590@fe71.usenetserver.com...[color=blue]
>I have Vista Ultimate running on my new Toshiba S-5034 notebook. In the
>middle of the night, I don't know exactly when, the thing wakes up for some
>reason and sucks up juice! Aaargh!
>
> The notebook gets awfully hot in the bag as the fan struggles to keep it
> cool in the confined space. I am left with a weak battery for my commute
> too :-(
>
> I thought that hibernate was the deepest power saving mode? The hardware
> is completely powered off. It is only that the O/S saves the CPU and
> memory state to HDD right and makes a boot-up "note" to itself to restore
> the image? Therefore, can any task that was running in Windows possibly
> wake up a system in hibernate state? I don't think so because they aren't
> running.
>
> Since the notebook is in my bag with no Ethernet or wireless on, I am sure
> that Wake-on-LAN (WoL) couldn't possibly be the culprit for problem or
> could it?
>
> Yes, I am sure my notebook is in hibernate mode and *not* in sleep mode.
> All lights go off on this Toshiba (there is a standby light) and I have
> unplugged the notebook's battery and power adapter. I can successfully
> resume where I left off after reattaching everything and powering back on.
>
> Can anyone offer any advice on this problem? TIA!
>
> --
>
>[/color]

Try cleaning your msconfig file. Shut down anything that you don't recognize.
This will tell you if a program is doing it. If it's not being caused buy a
program, I believe that I remember hearing about a virus that doew this. But,
before you start panicing, also shutdowq any schedueled tasks that may be
scheduled to run at night.

good luck

"DRT" wrote:
[color=blue]
> I have Vista Ultimate running on my new Toshiba S-5034 notebook. In
> the middle of the night, I don't know exactly when, the thing wakes
> up for some reason and sucks up juice! Aaargh!
>
> The notebook gets awfully hot in the bag as the fan struggles to
> keep it cool in the confined space. I am left with a weak battery
> for my commute too :-(
>
> I thought that hibernate was the deepest power saving mode? The
> hardware is completely powered off. It is only that the O/S saves
> the CPU and memory state to HDD right and makes a boot-up "note" to
> itself to restore the image? Therefore, can any task that was
> running in Windows possibly wake up a system in hibernate state? I
> don't think so because they aren't running.
>
> Since the notebook is in my bag with no Ethernet or wireless on, I
> am sure that Wake-on-LAN (WoL) couldn't possibly be the culprit for
> problem or could it?
>
> Yes, I am sure my notebook is in hibernate mode and *not* in sleep
> mode. All lights go off on this Toshiba (there is a standby light)
> and I have unplugged the notebook's battery and power adapter. I
> can successfully resume where I left off after reattaching
> everything and powering back on.
>
> Can anyone offer any advice on this problem? TIA!
>
> --
>
>
>[/color]

How about shutting down your computer when you go to bed. In the morning,
power it back up.

Sometimes my dog needs to go out during the night so I get up and let him
out. I don't need to worry about the computer!


"DRT" <DRT@nospam.net> wrote in message
news:uQl5i.5142$sk.4590@fe71.usenetserver.com...[color=blue]
>I have Vista Ultimate running on my new Toshiba S-5034 notebook. In the
>middle of the night, I don't know exactly when, the thing wakes up for some
>reason and sucks up juice! Aaargh!
>
> The notebook gets awfully hot in the bag as the fan struggles to keep it
> cool in the confined space. I am left with a weak battery for my commute
> too :-(
>
> I thought that hibernate was the deepest power saving mode? The hardware
> is completely powered off. It is only that the O/S saves the CPU and
> memory state to HDD right and makes a boot-up "note" to itself to restore
> the image? Therefore, can any task that was running in Windows possibly
> wake up a system in hibernate state? I don't think so because they aren't
> running.
>
> Since the notebook is in my bag with no Ethernet or wireless on, I am sure
> that Wake-on-LAN (WoL) couldn't possibly be the culprit for problem or
> could it?
>
> Yes, I am sure my notebook is in hibernate mode and *not* in sleep mode.
> All lights go off on this Toshiba (there is a standby light) and I have
> unplugged the notebook's battery and power adapter. I can successfully
> resume where I left off after reattaching everything and powering back on.
>
> Can anyone offer any advice on this problem? TIA!
>
> --
>
>[/color]

check the scheduled task log to see what is waking the computer up and maybe change its schedule to a different time.



[email]mikeyhsd@comcast.net[/email]



"DRT" <DRT@nospam.net> wrote in message news:uQl5i.5142$sk.4590@fe71.usenetserver.com...
I have Vista Ultimate running on my new Toshiba S-5034 notebook. In
the middle of the night, I don't know exactly when, the thing wakes
up for some reason and sucks up juice! Aaargh!

The notebook gets awfully hot in the bag as the fan struggles to
keep it cool in the confined space. I am left with a weak battery
for my commute too :-(

I thought that hibernate was the deepest power saving mode? The
hardware is completely powered off. It is only that the O/S saves
the CPU and memory state to HDD right and makes a boot-up "note" to
itself to restore the image? Therefore, can any task that was
running in Windows possibly wake up a system in hibernate state? I
don't think so because they aren't running.

Since the notebook is in my bag with no Ethernet or wireless on, I
am sure that Wake-on-LAN (WoL) couldn't possibly be the culprit for
problem or could it?

Yes, I am sure my notebook is in hibernate mode and *not* in sleep
mode. All lights go off on this Toshiba (there is a standby light)
and I have unplugged the notebook's battery and power adapter. I
can successfully resume where I left off after reattaching
everything and powering back on.

Can anyone offer any advice on this problem? TIA!

--

During the beta my pc had the same issue. Quite a few others did too when I
was looking through the feedback page. It seemed to fix iteself on release.

Sorry, thats not much help, but I thought I'd share it just incase you are
running a beta, which you probably aren't since its a new laptop.

Maybe toshiba has an update for the problem? Ring them maybe?

I hope that helps :-)


"DRT" <DRT@nospam.net> wrote in message
news:uQl5i.5142$sk.4590@fe71.usenetserver.com...[color=blue]
>I have Vista Ultimate running on my new Toshiba S-5034 notebook. In the
>middle of the night, I don't know exactly when, the thing wakes up for some
>reason and sucks up juice! Aaargh!
>
> The notebook gets awfully hot in the bag as the fan struggles to keep it
> cool in the confined space. I am left with a weak battery for my commute
> too :-(
>
> I thought that hibernate was the deepest power saving mode? The hardware
> is completely powered off. It is only that the O/S saves the CPU and
> memory state to HDD right and makes a boot-up "note" to itself to restore
> the image? Therefore, can any task that was running in Windows possibly
> wake up a system in hibernate state? I don't think so because they aren't
> running.
>
> Since the notebook is in my bag with no Ethernet or wireless on, I am sure
> that Wake-on-LAN (WoL) couldn't possibly be the culprit for problem or
> could it?
>
> Yes, I am sure my notebook is in hibernate mode and *not* in sleep mode.
> All lights go off on this Toshiba (there is a standby light) and I have
> unplugged the notebook's battery and power adapter. I can successfully
> resume where I left off after reattaching everything and powering back on.
>
> Can anyone offer any advice on this problem? TIA!
>
> --
>
>[/color]

I've just been told that Automatic updates runs at 3 AM.


--

Steve Easton


"DRT" <DRT@nospam.net> wrote in message news:uQl5i.5142$sk.4590@fe71.usenetserver.com...[color=blue]
>I have Vista Ultimate running on my new Toshiba S-5034 notebook. In the middle of the
>night, I don't know exactly when, the thing wakes up for some reason and sucks up juice!
>Aaargh!
>
> The notebook gets awfully hot in the bag as the fan struggles to keep it cool in the
> confined space. I am left with a weak battery for my commute too :-(
>
> I thought that hibernate was the deepest power saving mode? The hardware is completely
> powered off. It is only that the O/S saves the CPU and memory state to HDD right and
> makes a boot-up "note" to itself to restore the image? Therefore, can any task that was
> running in Windows possibly wake up a system in hibernate state? I don't think so
> because they aren't running.
>
> Since the notebook is in my bag with no Ethernet or wireless on, I am sure that
> Wake-on-LAN (WoL) couldn't possibly be the culprit for problem or could it?
>
> Yes, I am sure my notebook is in hibernate mode and *not* in sleep mode. All lights go
> off on this Toshiba (there is a standby light) and I have unplugged the notebook's
> battery and power adapter. I can successfully resume where I left off after reattaching
> everything and powering back on.
>
> Can anyone offer any advice on this problem? TIA!
>
> --
>
>[/color]

I like to resume where I left off with my books and documents loaded
where I last left them.

But, yeah, this probably basically will force me to shutdown this
notebook completely if I were, say, traveling without access to AC
power overnight for whatever reason.




Bill Yanaire wrote:[color=blue]
> How about shutting down your computer when you go to bed. In the morning,
> power it back up.
>
> Sometimes my dog needs to go out during the night so I get up and let him
> out. I don't need to worry about the computer!
>
>
> "DRT" <DRT@nospam.net> wrote in message
> news:uQl5i.5142$sk.4590@fe71.usenetserver.com...[color=green]
>> I have Vista Ultimate running on my new Toshiba S-5034 notebook. In the
>> middle of the night, I don't know exactly when, the thing wakes up for some
>> reason and sucks up juice! Aaargh!
>>
>> The notebook gets awfully hot in the bag as the fan struggles to keep it
>> cool in the confined space. I am left with a weak battery for my commute
>> too :-(
>>
>> I thought that hibernate was the deepest power saving mode? The hardware
>> is completely powered off. It is only that the O/S saves the CPU and
>> memory state to HDD right and makes a boot-up "note" to itself to restore
>> the image? Therefore, can any task that was running in Windows possibly
>> wake up a system in hibernate state? I don't think so because they aren't
>> running.
>>
>> Since the notebook is in my bag with no Ethernet or wireless on, I am sure
>> that Wake-on-LAN (WoL) couldn't possibly be the culprit for problem or
>> could it?
>>
>> Yes, I am sure my notebook is in hibernate mode and *not* in sleep mode.
>> All lights go off on this Toshiba (there is a standby light) and I have
>> unplugged the notebook's battery and power adapter. I can successfully
>> resume where I left off after reattaching everything and powering back on.
>>
>> Can anyone offer any advice on this problem? TIA!
>>
>> --
>>
>>[/color]
>
>[/color]

Yeah, I have mine set to "Automatically download updates but let me
choose whether to install them". Does it do it at 3AM? There seems
to be nothing in the dialog to indicate that but I guess it could be
hard coded into Vista's auto-update system. I wish Vista would let
me change that. I'd probably change it to run on a weekday
afternoon like at lunchtime when I won't be on the notebook and I
know the notebook will be powered on to do the update.

I still think that *nothing* should be able to run in hibernate
mode. It means the CPU and memory are active which defeats
the purpose of hibernation.

For the rest of the week, I'm going to hibernate my notebook as
usual at night but unplug the notebook's battery! That way, it
couldn't possibly power on! Its a shame this poor hibernation
implementation forces me to do this though!


Steve Easton wrote:[color=blue]
> I've just been told that Automatic updates runs at 3 AM.
>
>[/color]

Can you check in Event Logs / System to see what time the system is actually
waking up?

If it's windows update you should find entries like 'Windows Servicing is
setting package KB936824_2(Update) state to Install Requested(Install
Requested)'

--
Paul Smith,
Yeovil, UK.
Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User.
[url]http://www.windowsresource.net/[/url]

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"DRT" <DRT@nospam.net> wrote in message
news:_ys5i.48947$rO6.2336@fe188.usenetserver.com...[color=blue]
> Yeah, I have mine set to "Automatically download updates but let me
> choose whether to install them". Does it do it at 3AM? There seems
> to be nothing in the dialog to indicate that but I guess it could be
> hard coded into Vista's auto-update system. I wish Vista would let
> me change that. I'd probably change it to run on a weekday
> afternoon like at lunchtime when I won't be on the notebook and I
> know the notebook will be powered on to do the update.
>
> I still think that *nothing* should be able to run in hibernate
> mode. It means the CPU and memory are active which defeats
> the purpose of hibernation.
>
> For the rest of the week, I'm going to hibernate my notebook as
> usual at night but unplug the notebook's battery! That way, it
> couldn't possibly power on! Its a shame this poor hibernation
> implementation forces me to do this though!
>
>
> Steve Easton wrote:[color=green]
>> I've just been told that Automatic updates runs at 3 AM.
>>
>>[/color]
>
>
>[/color]

Great suggestion. There is an entry started on 7:14:46 AM on the
morning I found my notebook had powered itself on. I was sound
asleep at that time.

Information
5/24/2007 7:14:46 AM
Tcpip
4201
None
The system detected that network adapter Local Area Connection 2 was
connected to the network, and has initiated normal operation.

In addition, there are about a dozen of these duplicated at 7:14:46
AM and 7:14:47 AM. I think this might be the cause of the
unexpected wakeups. The notebook's Ethernet hardware is somehow
"glitching" and waking up the computer eventhough nothing is
connected to the notebook's Ethernet port.

I am pretty sure I wasn't sleep-walking because there was no
Ethernet cable or jack around to plug the notebook into! :)


--

Paul Smith wrote:[color=blue]
> Can you check in Event Logs / System to see what time the system is
> actually waking up?
>
> If it's windows update you should find entries like 'Windows Servicing
> is setting package KB936824_2(Update) state to Install Requested(Install
> Requested)'
>[/color]

Check in Device Manager and make sure under the network adapter under power
management it isn't allowed to wake the machine up.

--
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Yeovil, UK.
Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User.
[url]http://www.windowsresource.net/[/url]

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"DRT" <DRT@nospam.net> wrote in message
news:ibF5i.5$3F.1@fe195.usenetserver.com...[color=blue]
> Great suggestion. There is an entry started on 7:14:46 AM on the morning
> I found my notebook had powered itself on. I was sound asleep at that
> time.
>
> Information
> 5/24/2007 7:14:46 AM
> Tcpip
> 4201
> None
> The system detected that network adapter Local Area Connection 2 was
> connected to the network, and has initiated normal operation.
>
> In addition, there are about a dozen of these duplicated at 7:14:46 AM and
> 7:14:47 AM. I think this might be the cause of the unexpected wakeups.
> The notebook's Ethernet hardware is somehow "glitching" and waking up the
> computer eventhough nothing is connected to the notebook's Ethernet port.
>
> I am pretty sure I wasn't sleep-walking because there was no Ethernet
> cable or jack around to plug the notebook into! :)
>
>
> --
>
> Paul Smith wrote:[color=green]
>> Can you check in Event Logs / System to see what time the system is
>> actually waking up?
>>
>> If it's windows update you should find entries like 'Windows Servicing is
>> setting package KB936824_2(Update) state to Install Requested(Install
>> Requested)'
>>[/color]
>[/color]

Interesting, I just checked in my Device Manager and my "Intel(R)
PRO/100 VE Network Connection" adapter has the check box "Allow this
device to wake the computer" *unchecked*.

Maybe there is some low level BIOS setting I should check the next
time I reboot this machine(?). At least I know where to focus my
investigation on now...



Paul Smith wrote:[color=blue]
> Check in Device Manager and make sure under the network adapter under
> power management it isn't allowed to wake the machine up.
>[/color]

Look in the bios for a Wake on Lan option or power on pci(if your adapter is installed in a pci port). The latter is usually for modems.
..winston

"DRT" <DRT@nospam.net> wrote in message news:9JG5i.12317$au.7589@fe21.usenetserver.com...
: Interesting, I just checked in my Device Manager and my "Intel(R)
: PRO/100 VE Network Connection" adapter has the check box "Allow this
: device to wake the computer" *unchecked*.
:
: Maybe there is some low level BIOS setting I should check the next
: time I reboot this machine(?). At least I know where to focus my
: investigation on now...
:
:
:
: Paul Smith wrote:
: > Check in Device Manager and make sure under the network adapter under
: > power management it isn't allowed to wake the machine up.
: >
:

how bout a wireless connection that is waking the laptop up? lol

see if the wireless network adaptor has the setting you checked for before


"...winston" <merlin@druid9#.com> wrote in message
news:eYfeuwwnHHA.4424@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
Look in the bios for a Wake on Lan option or power on pci(if your adapter is
installed in a pci port). The latter is usually for modems.
..winston

"DRT" <DRT@nospam.net> wrote in message
news:9JG5i.12317$au.7589@fe21.usenetserver.com...
: Interesting, I just checked in my Device Manager and my "Intel(R)
: PRO/100 VE Network Connection" adapter has the check box "Allow this
: device to wake the computer" *unchecked*.
:
: Maybe there is some low level BIOS setting I should check the next
: time I reboot this machine(?). At least I know where to focus my
: investigation on now...
:
:
:
: Paul Smith wrote:
: > Check in Device Manager and make sure under the network adapter under
: > power management it isn't allowed to wake the machine up.
: >
: