The default is to perform Automatic updates at 3 AM. That can be changed,
but then is usually happens when you are using the computer and the
complaint is that Vista is slow... I'll bet your can't measure the amount of
juice that is sucked up.
"Steve Easton" <admin@95isalive.com> wrote in message
news:OYqt3HmnHHA.4516@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...[color=blue]
> I've just been told that Automatic updates runs at 3 AM.
>
>
> --
>
> Steve Easton
>
>
> "DRT" <DRT@nospam.net> wrote in message
> news:uQl5i.5142$sk.4590@fe71.usenetserver.com...[color=green]
>>I have Vista Ultimate running on my new Toshiba S-5034 notebook. In the
>>middle of the night, I don't know exactly when, the thing wakes up for
>>some reason and sucks up juice! Aaargh!
>>
>> The notebook gets awfully hot in the bag as the fan struggles to keep it
>> cool in the confined space. I am left with a weak battery for my commute
>> too :-(
>>
>> I thought that hibernate was the deepest power saving mode? The hardware
>> is completely powered off. It is only that the O/S saves the CPU and
>> memory state to HDD right and makes a boot-up "note" to itself to restore
>> the image? Therefore, can any task that was running in Windows possibly
>> wake up a system in hibernate state? I don't think so because they
>> aren't running.
>>
>> Since the notebook is in my bag with no Ethernet or wireless on, I am
>> sure that Wake-on-LAN (WoL) couldn't possibly be the culprit for problem
>> or could it?
>>
>> Yes, I am sure my notebook is in hibernate mode and *not* in sleep mode.
>> All lights go off on this Toshiba (there is a standby light) and I have
>> unplugged the notebook's battery and power adapter. I can successfully
>> resume where I left off after reattaching everything and powering back
>> on.
>>
>> Can anyone offer any advice on this problem? TIA!
>>
>> --
>>
>>[/color]
>
>[/color]

Not sure if you knew this but under the device manager->network
adapter->properties->advanced there is an option at the bottom of the list
entitled "Wake on Lan from power off". This might be of assistance although
it sounds more like turning the computer on like the power button would.
This option isn't dis/enabled in tandem with the check box in the power
options.

"DRT" wrote:
[color=blue]
> Interesting, I just checked in my Device Manager and my "Intel(R)
> PRO/100 VE Network Connection" adapter has the check box "Allow this
> device to wake the computer" *unchecked*.
>
> Maybe there is some low level BIOS setting I should check the next
> time I reboot this machine(?). At least I know where to focus my
> investigation on now...
>
>
>
> Paul Smith wrote:[color=green]
> > Check in Device Manager and make sure under the network adapter under
> > power management it isn't allowed to wake the machine up.
> >[/color]
>
>[/color]

I had the same thing happen to me on a laptop with wireless connection. I
found this in Windows help:

"If your computer is in one of the power-saving states (Sleep or Hibernate)
during a scheduled update, and if your computer is plugged in to a power
source, Windows will wake your computer long enough to install new updates."

I do NOT watn this behavior. Since when is hibernate something you can wake
up from without user-intervention or WOL? Hibernate should be POWER OFF!
Espeically on a laptoip whether it's on battery or AC. I wish there was a
way to configure the "power on to do updates" behavior. What I decided to do
instead is dsiable automatic updates. From now on, it updates only when I
tell it to and powers on only when I tell it to.

I can't believe they put this behavior in without informing the user what
would happen and without giving the user a way to disable it without
disabling auto-updates. I amn outraged by this. I hope nothing else can
schedule my system to power on without my knowledge or consent.

Beverly

"Scidork" <Scidork@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:6426F6F1-FE20-4798-AA9C-F17F02F06B83@microsoft.com...[color=blue]
> Not sure if you knew this but under the device manager->network
> adapter->properties->advanced there is an option at the bottom of the
> list
> entitled "Wake on Lan from power off". This might be of assistance
> although
> it sounds more like turning the computer on like the power button would.
> This option isn't dis/enabled in tandem with the check box in the power
> options.
>
> "DRT" wrote:
>[color=green]
>> Interesting, I just checked in my Device Manager and my "Intel(R)
>> PRO/100 VE Network Connection" adapter has the check box "Allow this
>> device to wake the computer" *unchecked*.
>>
>> Maybe there is some low level BIOS setting I should check the next
>> time I reboot this machine(?). At least I know where to focus my
>> investigation on now...
>>
>>
>>
>> Paul Smith wrote:[color=darkred]
>> > Check in Device Manager and make sure under the network adapter under
>> > power management it isn't allowed to wake the machine up.
>> >[/color]
>>
>>[/color][/color]

According the event log, my PC wakes up from hibernation at 3:00 AM every
day. I have spent many hours on this. I checked BIOS, Task Scheduler,
McAfee security center, etc. and could not find a clue. I will check the
automatic updates tonight to see if it is the culprit. Thanks for the tip.

It has been very frustrating!!!!!


"Steve Easton" wrote:
[color=blue]
> I've just been told that Automatic updates runs at 3 AM.
>
>
> --
>
> Steve Easton
>
>
> "DRT" <DRT@nospam.net> wrote in message news:uQl5i.5142$sk.4590@fe71.usenetserver.com...[color=green]
> >I have Vista Ultimate running on my new Toshiba S-5034 notebook. In the middle of the
> >night, I don't know exactly when, the thing wakes up for some reason and sucks up juice!
> >Aaargh!
> >
> > The notebook gets awfully hot in the bag as the fan struggles to keep it cool in the
> > confined space. I am left with a weak battery for my commute too :-(
> >
> > I thought that hibernate was the deepest power saving mode? The hardware is completely
> > powered off. It is only that the O/S saves the CPU and memory state to HDD right and
> > makes a boot-up "note" to itself to restore the image? Therefore, can any task that was
> > running in Windows possibly wake up a system in hibernate state? I don't think so
> > because they aren't running.
> >
> > Since the notebook is in my bag with no Ethernet or wireless on, I am sure that
> > Wake-on-LAN (WoL) couldn't possibly be the culprit for problem or could it?
> >
> > Yes, I am sure my notebook is in hibernate mode and *not* in sleep mode. All lights go
> > off on this Toshiba (there is a standby light) and I have unplugged the notebook's
> > battery and power adapter. I can successfully resume where I left off after reattaching
> > everything and powering back on.
> >
> > Can anyone offer any advice on this problem? TIA!
> >
> > --
> >
> >[/color]
>
>
>[/color]

Steve,

On my Vista Home Premium, task schedular has Windows Defender performing a
scan 3AM each day.
(need to set 'show hidden tasks' in order to see it.)

Michael

"Hong" <Hong@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:60F5608B-0A34-4AA3-AC49-D3CBAD2F77FD@microsoft.com...[color=blue]
> According the event log, my PC wakes up from hibernation at 3:00 AM every
> day. I have spent many hours on this. I checked BIOS, Task Scheduler,
> McAfee security center, etc. and could not find a clue. I will check the
> automatic updates tonight to see if it is the culprit. Thanks for the
> tip.
>
> It has been very frustrating!!!!!
>
>
> "Steve Easton" wrote:
>[color=green]
>> I've just been told that Automatic updates runs at 3 AM.
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> Steve Easton
>>
>>
>> "DRT" <DRT@nospam.net> wrote in message
>> news:uQl5i.5142$sk.4590@fe71.usenetserver.com...[color=darkred]
>> >I have Vista Ultimate running on my new Toshiba S-5034 notebook. In the
>> >middle of the
>> >night, I don't know exactly when, the thing wakes up for some reason and
>> >sucks up juice!
>> >Aaargh!
>> >
>> > The notebook gets awfully hot in the bag as the fan struggles to keep
>> > it cool in the
>> > confined space. I am left with a weak battery for my commute too :-(
>> >
>> > I thought that hibernate was the deepest power saving mode? The
>> > hardware is completely
>> > powered off. It is only that the O/S saves the CPU and memory state to
>> > HDD right and
>> > makes a boot-up "note" to itself to restore the image? Therefore, can
>> > any task that was
>> > running in Windows possibly wake up a system in hibernate state? I
>> > don't think so
>> > because they aren't running.
>> >
>> > Since the notebook is in my bag with no Ethernet or wireless on, I am
>> > sure that
>> > Wake-on-LAN (WoL) couldn't possibly be the culprit for problem or could
>> > it?
>> >
>> > Yes, I am sure my notebook is in hibernate mode and *not* in sleep
>> > mode. All lights go
>> > off on this Toshiba (there is a standby light) and I have unplugged the
>> > notebook's
>> > battery and power adapter. I can successfully resume where I left off
>> > after reattaching
>> > everything and powering back on.
>> >
>> > Can anyone offer any advice on this problem? TIA!
>> >
>> > --
>> >
>> >[/color]
>>
>>
>>[/color][/color]

Windows Update, that is the culprit!!!

Thank you so much, Steve. Without your tip, I don't know, how many more
hours I would spend on it.

I went to Change settings of Windows Update last night and changed Install
new updates: at 4:00AM from 3:00AM. The event log shows this morning my
computer woke up 4:00 instead of 3:00. You may ask why there are updates
for installation every day. This is another problem that I have. One update
for SQL server ((KB934458) has been installed SUCCESSFULLY every day since
7/21.

Michasel,

I did check Task Scheduler with Show Hidder Tasks. That was my first
suspect. I made sure none of them has the option Wake the computer to run
this task checked. Unfortunately Windows Update is not a normal scheduled
task and it has the privilege to wake up the computer.

"Michael" wrote:
[color=blue]
> Steve,
>
> On my Vista Home Premium, task schedular has Windows Defender performing a
> scan 3AM each day.
> (need to set 'show hidden tasks' in order to see it.)
>
> Michael
>
> "Hong" <Hong@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:60F5608B-0A34-4AA3-AC49-D3CBAD2F77FD@microsoft.com...[color=green]
> > According the event log, my PC wakes up from hibernation at 3:00 AM every
> > day. I have spent many hours on this. I checked BIOS, Task Scheduler,
> > McAfee security center, etc. and could not find a clue. I will check the
> > automatic updates tonight to see if it is the culprit. Thanks for the
> > tip.
> >
> > It has been very frustrating!!!!!
> >
> >
> > "Steve Easton" wrote:
> >[color=darkred]
> >> I've just been told that Automatic updates runs at 3 AM.
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >>
> >> Steve Easton
> >>
> >>
> >> "DRT" <DRT@nospam.net> wrote in message
> >> news:uQl5i.5142$sk.4590@fe71.usenetserver.com...
> >> >I have Vista Ultimate running on my new Toshiba S-5034 notebook. In the
> >> >middle of the
> >> >night, I don't know exactly when, the thing wakes up for some reason and
> >> >sucks up juice!
> >> >Aaargh!
> >> >
> >> > The notebook gets awfully hot in the bag as the fan struggles to keep
> >> > it cool in the
> >> > confined space. I am left with a weak battery for my commute too :-(
> >> >
> >> > I thought that hibernate was the deepest power saving mode? The
> >> > hardware is completely
> >> > powered off. It is only that the O/S saves the CPU and memory state to
> >> > HDD right and
> >> > makes a boot-up "note" to itself to restore the image? Therefore, can
> >> > any task that was
> >> > running in Windows possibly wake up a system in hibernate state? I
> >> > don't think so
> >> > because they aren't running.
> >> >
> >> > Since the notebook is in my bag with no Ethernet or wireless on, I am
> >> > sure that
> >> > Wake-on-LAN (WoL) couldn't possibly be the culprit for problem or could
> >> > it?
> >> >
> >> > Yes, I am sure my notebook is in hibernate mode and *not* in sleep
> >> > mode. All lights go
> >> > off on this Toshiba (there is a standby light) and I have unplugged the
> >> > notebook's
> >> > battery and power adapter. I can successfully resume where I left off
> >> > after reattaching
> >> > everything and powering back on.
> >> >
> >> > Can anyone offer any advice on this problem? TIA!
> >> >
> >> > --
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >>[/color][/color]
>[/color]

"Hong" <Hong@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:A6FD59DB-2F6F-45D7-98EF-3B83057C3E6F@microsoft.com...[color=blue]
> Windows Update, that is the culprit!!!
>
> Thank you so much, Steve. Without your tip, I don't know, how many more
> hours I would spend on it.
>
> I went to Change settings of Windows Update last night and changed Install
> new updates: at 4:00AM from 3:00AM. The event log shows this morning my
> computer woke up 4:00 instead of 3:00. You may ask why there are updates
> for installation every day. This is another problem that I have. One
> update
> for SQL server ((KB934458) has been installed SUCCESSFULLY every day since
> 7/21.
>
> Michasel,
>
> I did check Task Scheduler with Show Hidder Tasks. That was my first
> suspect. I made sure none of them has the option Wake the computer to run
> this task checked. Unfortunately Windows Update is not a normal scheduled
> task and it has the privilege to wake up the computer.[/color]

You can prevent that easily

Control Panel > Windows Update > Change Settings >
Select "Download updates but let me choose whether to install them."

Then your system will let you know updates have arrived
but give you the choice to install them at your convenience.

Julian, you are right that once the cause is identified it is very easy to
take care of.

The problem with many issues such as this is that it is very hard to
diagnose.
Windows's help offers very limited help for these problems. I found the
discussion groups such as this one, blogs are the places to find tips.

"Julian" wrote:
[color=blue]
>
>
> "Hong" <Hong@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:A6FD59DB-2F6F-45D7-98EF-3B83057C3E6F@microsoft.com...[color=green]
> > Windows Update, that is the culprit!!!
> >
> > Thank you so much, Steve. Without your tip, I don't know, how many more
> > hours I would spend on it.
> >
> > I went to Change settings of Windows Update last night and changed Install
> > new updates: at 4:00AM from 3:00AM. The event log shows this morning my
> > computer woke up 4:00 instead of 3:00. You may ask why there are updates
> > for installation every day. This is another problem that I have. One
> > update
> > for SQL server ((KB934458) has been installed SUCCESSFULLY every day since
> > 7/21.
> >
> > Michasel,
> >
> > I did check Task Scheduler with Show Hidder Tasks. That was my first
> > suspect. I made sure none of them has the option Wake the computer to run
> > this task checked. Unfortunately Windows Update is not a normal scheduled
> > task and it has the privilege to wake up the computer.[/color]
>
> You can prevent that easily
>
> Control Panel > Windows Update > Change Settings >
> Select "Download updates but let me choose whether to install them."
>
> Then your system will let you know updates have arrived
> but give you the choice to install them at your convenience.
>
>
>
>[/color]

"Hong" <Hong@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:A35B05EB-6B8D-4675-B5A0-120DD13ED03F@microsoft.com...[color=blue]
> Julian, you are right that once the cause is identified it is very easy to
> take care of.
>
> The problem with many issues such as this is that it is very hard to
> diagnose.
> Windows's help offers very limited help for these problems. I found the
> discussion groups such as this one, blogs are the places to find tips.[/color]

I had a similar problem when I first started using Vista.
A task that I left to run overnight was interrupted by Windows
updating automatically.

With respect to Windows help, modern operating systems and the work
they are expected to do is so complex that even if everything was
fully documented it would still be a struggle to locate the particular
help one required.

An average operating system could easily need 100,000s of pages
to document comprehensively.

Having said that the Help & Support facility does cover an awful
lot of stuff and is menued quite well but you have to know what
you're looking for, the right search terms etc., and there's no easy
way around that on any system

right words to search on.