You're right. My main goal was to complain about MS. After installing
IE7 I tried to move the navigation buttons around and low and behold.
YOU CAN'T! at least not to where I want them. After searching the
groups for the answer I was surprised to learn that it wasn't
possible.

My frustration comes from the fact that I am used to certain features
and functionality that has been removed. Someone else decided that I
didn't need that functionality and I should simply conform to the way
they like things.With IE7 they have taken a step backwards...less
configuration options and less real estate for your web page.

The best analogy I can come up with. Let's say the next car I buy has
a button on the left hand side of the dash for the left turn signal
and a lever above the radio for the right signal. Doesn't make sense
right?

Then I tried vista and it seems that MS has carried the same
philosophy over to an entire operating system. "We (MS) know what's
best for you and since you have very little choice we can do it! Lots
of "Change for the sake of change".

I know what I am doing(for the most part) and I realize that I can
make configuration changes and I can make changes in the registry to
get things the way I want but the point is that I shouldn't have to.
An upgraded piece of software should allow for more options and
configurations not less! Plus the changes should be easier to make not
harder.>

ok.
While Im not in love with Vista/ie7 myself, the simple fact is that nobody
made you buy it. You can still get PCs from every major manufacturer with
XP. Or you could buy XP and install it on that machine. I still have IE6 on
my home machine because I didnt just jump in and update to IE7 as soon as it
came out. Its called being a knowledgable consumer. You should have looked
into these products before you bought them. You wouldnt just walk into a car
dealer and give them money and wait for them to give you a car. You would
research and see if it was going to meet your needs and expectations. And
Microsoft (and any other merchant) sells to the largest market share and not
to the individual. Its business. If you dont want what is being sold, then
dont buy or upgrade to it.


As far as the limited screen space. I must be using a differnt version of
IE7 at work. I have the address bar and the next bar below it with the tabs
and buttons. and that is it. If you want more space, you shouldnt have
installed all those kazah/yahoo/google toolbars. Once again, think before
you buy new products or download things. Microsoft never told you what is
best for you, the made a decision on what they wanted to sell and you bought
it. now try to live with your decision.

"bhennon" wrote:
[color=blue]
> You're right. My main goal was to complain about MS. After installing
> IE7 I tried to move the navigation buttons around and low and behold.
> YOU CAN'T! at least not to where I want them. After searching the
> groups for the answer I was surprised to learn that it wasn't
> possible.
>
> My frustration comes from the fact that I am used to certain features
> and functionality that has been removed. Someone else decided that I
> didn't need that functionality and I should simply conform to the way
> they like things.With IE7 they have taken a step backwards...less
> configuration options and less real estate for your web page.
>
> The best analogy I can come up with. Let's say the next car I buy has
> a button on the left hand side of the dash for the left turn signal
> and a lever above the radio for the right signal. Doesn't make sense
> right?
>
> Then I tried vista and it seems that MS has carried the same
> philosophy over to an entire operating system. "We (MS) know what's
> best for you and since you have very little choice we can do it! Lots
> of "Change for the sake of change".
>
> I know what I am doing(for the most part) and I realize that I can
> make configuration changes and I can make changes in the registry to
> get things the way I want but the point is that I shouldn't have to.
> An upgraded piece of software should allow for more options and
> configurations not less! Plus the changes should be easier to make not
> harder.>
>
>[/color]

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bhennon wrote:[color=blue]
> You're right. My main goal was to complain about MS. After installing
> IE7 I tried to move the navigation buttons around and low and behold.
> YOU CAN'T! at least not to where I want them. After searching the
> groups for the answer I was surprised to learn that it wasn't
> possible.
>
> My frustration comes from the fact that I am used to certain features
> and functionality that has been removed. Someone else decided that I
> didn't need that functionality and I should simply conform to the way
> they like things.With IE7 they have taken a step backwards...less
> configuration options and less real estate for your web page.
>
> The best analogy I can come up with. Let's say the next car I buy has
> a button on the left hand side of the dash for the left turn signal
> and a lever above the radio for the right signal. Doesn't make sense
> right?
>
> Then I tried vista and it seems that MS has carried the same
> philosophy over to an entire operating system. "We (MS) know what's
> best for you and since you have very little choice we can do it! Lots
> of "Change for the sake of change".
>
> I know what I am doing(for the most part) and I realize that I can
> make configuration changes and I can make changes in the registry to
> get things the way I want but the point is that I shouldn't have to.
> An upgraded piece of software should allow for more options and
> configurations not less! Plus the changes should be easier to make not
> harder.>
>[/color]

Well, you obviously don't know how to post to a newsgroup. You posted
the same post 3 times.

If you don't like a product, use something else. No one will stop you.

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Trolls are like babies. After feeding, they get stinky.
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On Wed, 23 May 2007 07:33:12 -0700, Feliks Dzerzhinsky
<fdzerzhinsky@kgb.su> wrote:
[color=blue]
>Well, you obviously don't know how to post to a newsgroup. You posted
>the same post 3 times.[/color]

You don't know how to post to a newsgroup either. First you're
arrogant and foolish enough to include a worthless PNP signature thus
wasting bandwidth, then you further prove your ignornace on how
newsgroups work by foolishly reposting the entire 51 lines, none of
which you commented on directly.
[color=blue]
>If you don't like a product, use something else. No one will stop you.[/color]

Here's a tip for you... if you don't like a poster, show some
willpower and simply skip over it rather than adding to the noise
which is all you've done. Duh!

On Wed, 23 May 2007 07:14:00 -0700, Victor
<Victor@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
[color=blue]
>ok.
>While Im not in love with Vista/ie7 myself, the simple fact is that nobody
>made you buy it. You can still get PCs from every major manufacturer with
>XP. Or you could buy XP and install it on that machine. I still have IE6 on
>my home machine because I didnt just jump in and update to IE7 as soon as it
>came out. Its called being a knowledgable consumer.[/color]

Oh stop already. You want a simple fact? Here's one... Microsoft
released Vista before it was fully tested and they admit it is full of
bugs. Now considering that, why shouldn't people that paid cold hard
cash for a product that's suppose to work and doesn't as advertised,
not be upset?

Please save the ususal excuses, like all software has bugs, Microsoft
will release a service pack, so Vista may work a year from now, it
could be a hardware driver issue, etc.. I've heard them all a thousand
times before and none of them justify Microsoft having a 21 year habit
of deliberately on purpose dumping a half baked, not ready, buggy
version on Windows on the public knowing it will cause hundreds of
thousands, maybe millions of customers untold problems, frustration
and anger.
[color=blue]
>You should have looked
>into these products before you bought them.[/color]

You mean like checking a vendor's web site and seeing them claim that
their product is "Vista Certified" and then finding out it still
doesn't work correctly? Been there, done that.
[color=blue]
>You wouldnt just walk into a car
>dealer and give them money and wait for them to give you a car. You would
>research and see if it was going to meet your needs and expectations. And
>Microsoft (and any other merchant) sells to the largest market share and not
>to the individual. Its business. If you dont want what is being sold, then
>dont buy or upgrade to it.[/color]

Oh my God... I can't believe you are trying to sell that line of crap!

World wide, businesses of all types and sizes are REGULATED by various
government agencies and conform to laws so consumers aren't ripped off
with defective or malfuncting products. How come the software industry
seems exempt? Please explain.

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Adam Albright wrote:[color=blue]
> On Wed, 23 May 2007 07:33:12 -0700, Feliks Dzerzhinsky
> <fdzerzhinsky@kgb.su> wrote:
>[color=green]
>> Well, you obviously don't know how to post to a newsgroup. You posted
>> the same post 3 times.[/color]
>
> You don't know how to post to a newsgroup either. First you're
> arrogant and foolish enough to include a worthless PNP signature thus
> wasting bandwidth, then you further prove your ignornace on how
> newsgroups work by foolishly reposting the entire 51 lines, none of
> which you commented on directly.[/color]

Tsk, tsk. It isn't worthless and it isn't "PNP". If your connection is
so antiquated that it can't handle just over 100 bytes, I really am not
going to worry.[color=blue]
>[color=green]
>> If you don't like a product, use something else. No one will stop you.[/color]
>
> Here's a tip for you... if you don't like a poster, show some
> willpower and simply skip over it rather than adding to the noise
> which is all you've done. Duh!
>
>[/color]
Now, if everyone did that, you trolls would have to go into therapy.

Come to think of it, if you really don't like my posts, you can skip
over them. But, I'm sure you won't.

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Iron Feliks

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"Adam Albright" wrote:
[color=blue]
> On Wed, 23 May 2007 07:14:00 -0700, Victor
> <Victor@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
>[color=green]
> >ok.
> >While Im not in love with Vista/ie7 myself, the simple fact is that nobody
> >made you buy it. You can still get PCs from every major manufacturer with
> >XP. Or you could buy XP and install it on that machine. I still have IE6 on
> >my home machine because I didnt just jump in and update to IE7 as soon as it
> >came out. Its called being a knowledgable consumer.[/color]
>
> Oh stop already. You want a simple fact? Here's one... Microsoft
> released Vista before it was fully tested and they admit it is full of
> bugs. Now considering that, why shouldn't people that paid cold hard
> cash for a product that's suppose to work and doesn't as advertised,
> not be upset?
>
> Please save the ususal excuses, like all software has bugs, Microsoft
> will release a service pack, so Vista may work a year from now, it
> could be a hardware driver issue, etc.. I've heard them all a thousand
> times before and none of them justify Microsoft having a 21 year habit
> of deliberately on purpose dumping a half baked, not ready, buggy
> version on Windows on the public knowing it will cause hundreds of
> thousands, maybe millions of customers untold problems, frustration
> and anger.
>[color=green]
> >You should have looked
> >into these products before you bought them.[/color]
>
> You mean like checking a vendor's web site and seeing them claim that
> their product is "Vista Certified" and then finding out it still
> doesn't work correctly? Been there, done that.
>[color=green]
> >You wouldnt just walk into a car
> >dealer and give them money and wait for them to give you a car. You would
> >research and see if it was going to meet your needs and expectations. And
> >Microsoft (and any other merchant) sells to the largest market share and not
> >to the individual. Its business. If you dont want what is being sold, then
> >dont buy or upgrade to it.[/color]
>
> Oh my God... I can't believe you are trying to sell that line of crap!
>
> World wide, businesses of all types and sizes are REGULATED by various
> government agencies and conform to laws so consumers aren't ripped off
> with defective or malfuncting products. How come the software industry
> seems exempt? Please explain.
>
>[/color]

Dude the guy wanted to know about moving arrows in IE7 how did that degrade
into the software industry is ripping people off crap?

[color=blue]
>[/color]

On Wed, 23 May 2007 14:52:01 -0700, bp <bp@discussions.microsoft.com>
wrote:
[color=blue]
>
>
>"Adam Albright" wrote:
>[color=green]
>> On Wed, 23 May 2007 07:14:00 -0700, Victor
>> <Victor@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
>>[color=darkred]
>> >ok.
>> >While Im not in love with Vista/ie7 myself, the simple fact is that nobody
>> >made you buy it. You can still get PCs from every major manufacturer with
>> >XP. Or you could buy XP and install it on that machine. I still have IE6 on
>> >my home machine because I didnt just jump in and update to IE7 as soon as it
>> >came out. Its called being a knowledgable consumer.[/color]
>>
>> Oh stop already. You want a simple fact? Here's one... Microsoft
>> released Vista before it was fully tested and they admit it is full of
>> bugs. Now considering that, why shouldn't people that paid cold hard
>> cash for a product that's suppose to work and doesn't as advertised,
>> not be upset?
>>
>> Please save the ususal excuses, like all software has bugs, Microsoft
>> will release a service pack, so Vista may work a year from now, it
>> could be a hardware driver issue, etc.. I've heard them all a thousand
>> times before and none of them justify Microsoft having a 21 year habit
>> of deliberately on purpose dumping a half baked, not ready, buggy
>> version on Windows on the public knowing it will cause hundreds of
>> thousands, maybe millions of customers untold problems, frustration
>> and anger.
>>[color=darkred]
>> >You should have looked
>> >into these products before you bought them.[/color]
>>
>> You mean like checking a vendor's web site and seeing them claim that
>> their product is "Vista Certified" and then finding out it still
>> doesn't work correctly? Been there, done that.
>>[color=darkred]
>> >You wouldnt just walk into a car
>> >dealer and give them money and wait for them to give you a car. You would
>> >research and see if it was going to meet your needs and expectations. And
>> >Microsoft (and any other merchant) sells to the largest market share and not
>> >to the individual. Its business. If you dont want what is being sold, then
>> >dont buy or upgrade to it.[/color]
>>
>> Oh my God... I can't believe you are trying to sell that line of crap!
>>
>> World wide, businesses of all types and sizes are REGULATED by various
>> government agencies and conform to laws so consumers aren't ripped off
>> with defective or malfuncting products. How come the software industry
>> seems exempt? Please explain.
>>
>>[/color]
>
>Dude the guy wanted to know about moving arrows in IE7 how did that degrade
>into the software industry is ripping people off crap?[/color]

Are you intelligent enough to be able to scroll up? Then do so.

=?Utf-8?B?VmljdG9y?= <Victor@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in
news:6C8DA3D4-32DE-4F30-8A40-E3C0BCB513D8@microsoft.com:
[color=blue]
> ok.
> While Im not in love with Vista/ie7 myself, the simple fact is that
> nobody made you buy it.[/color]

Well I'm not sure the OP did buy it. Read on.....
[color=blue]
>
> "bhennon" wrote:
>[color=green]
>> You're right. My main goal was to complain about MS. After installing
>> IE7[/color][/color]

IE7 wouldn't need to be installed in Vista.

Plus, the posting headers includes:

X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1; SV1;
..NET CLR 1.1.4322; .NET CLR 2.0.50727),gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe)

Unless of course, you can tell IE7 to identify itself as IE6 and the OS as
XP instead of Vista....