it was on last night and will probably be repeated.
quite an eyeopener - it tells a great deal about MS's "innovation"
this episode deals with Gates & Ballmer and follows their efforts as they
buy out Q-DOS then pass it off to IBM as their own
LOL - afterwards they rip off Apple's GUI for Windows and begin their days
in court.
the title and description below tells is all...

Triumph of the Nerds
"Great Artist Steal"

A revolution was on the horizon to make PC friendlier. Those who rose to the
top knew - success in the market place doesn't have to come from innovation,
or from being the best, you have a ruthless ability to exploit your
opportunities.

=======================================
"At Microsoft there are lots of brilliant ideas but the image is that they
all come from the top - I'm afraid that's not quite right." (read: we just
rip off everyone else)
- Bill Gates
=======================================

"john" <john@msn.com> wrote in message
news:OTGGXtxmHHA.1240@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...[color=blue]
> it was on last night and will probably be repeated.
> quite an eyeopener - it tells a great deal about MS's "innovation"
> this episode deals with Gates & Ballmer and follows their efforts as they
> buy out Q-DOS then pass it off to IBM as their own
> LOL - afterwards they rip off Apple's GUI for Windows and begin their days
> in court.
> the title and description below tells is all...
>
> Triumph of the Nerds
> "Great Artist Steal"
>
> A revolution was on the horizon to make PC friendlier. Those who rose to
> the top knew - success in the market place doesn't have to come from
> innovation, or from being the best, you have a ruthless ability to exploit
> your opportunities.
>
> =======================================
> "At Microsoft there are lots of brilliant ideas but the image is that they
> all come from the top - I'm afraid that's not quite right." (read: we just
> rip off everyone else)
> - Bill Gates
> =======================================
>[/color]
The program is hardly news. They bought the ancestor of MS-DOS from a
company in Seattle for (alledgedly) $50000. Whether IBM knew what they
did or not is interesting. Personally, I thought that Gates and Allen
deserved
a lot of credit for outsmarting IBM. Not many people have.

As for the GUI, after all Apple merely adapted an idea from Xerox. It is
rather
murky as to the ancestry of MAC OS (at least it is to me).

Jim

"john" wrote:
[color=blue]
> it was on last night and will probably be repeated.
> quite an eyeopener - it tells a great deal about MS's "innovation"
> this episode deals with Gates & Ballmer and follows their efforts as they
> buy out Q-DOS then pass it off to IBM as their own
> LOL - afterwards they rip off Apple's GUI for Windows and begin their days
> in court.
> the title and description below tells is all...
>
> Triumph of the Nerds
> "Great Artist Steal"
>
> A revolution was on the horizon to make PC friendlier. Those who rose to the
> top knew - success in the market place doesn't have to come from innovation,
> or from being the best, you have a ruthless ability to exploit your
> opportunities.
>
> =======================================
> "At Microsoft there are lots of brilliant ideas but the image is that they
> all come from the top - I'm afraid that's not quite right." (read: we just
> rip off everyone else)
> - Bill Gates
> =======================================
>
> [quote]"At Microsoft there are lots of brilliant ideas but the image is that they[/color]
all come from the top - I'm afraid that's not quite right." (read: we just
rip off everyone else)
- Bill Gates[/quote]
Any corporation worth ten cents and owned/guided by anyone smarter than
the mail clerk will make sure (s)he hires people who are more
brilliant/resourceful in areas where (s)he is not the brightest bulb on the
tree. And any CEO/Owner who claims (s)he is the sole source of all brilliant
ideas will *never* be worth more than ten cents. The CEO will give credit in
the company where credit is due, (more or less) and that credit showed up in
MS by the dozens of brilliant "underlings" who retired multimillionaires, as
well as present highly paid employees who enjoy favored status in the company
commensurate with their individual contributions to corporate success. At
least; "that's mho" for "wiw". And, unless Bill Gates actually said the
(read: we just..."), note, the corporate attorneys may read that with much
glee. Of course, it's probably all just in fun anyway. ;-)[color=blue]
>[/color]

john wrote:[color=blue]
> it was on last night and will probably be repeated.
> quite an eyeopener - it tells a great deal about MS's "innovation"
> this episode deals with Gates & Ballmer and follows their efforts as they
> buy out Q-DOS then pass it off to IBM as their own
> LOL - afterwards they rip off Apple's GUI for Windows and begin their days
> in court.
> the title and description below tells is all...
>
> Triumph of the Nerds
> "Great Artist Steal"
>
> A revolution was on the horizon to make PC friendlier. Those who rose to the
> top knew - success in the market place doesn't have to come from innovation,
> or from being the best, you have a ruthless ability to exploit your
> opportunities.
>
> =======================================
> "At Microsoft there are lots of brilliant ideas but the image is that they
> all come from the top - I'm afraid that's not quite right." (read: we just
> rip off everyone else)
> - Bill Gates
> =======================================
>
>[/color]
OMG, that is such an old story and if you're just now finding out about
it you must really be a newbie!
As for innovation, bet you actually think Jobs & LT are innovators right?
Don't make me laugh!
(snort)
Frank

KGMountainman wrote:
[color=blue]
>
> "john" wrote:
>
>[color=green]
>>it was on last night and will probably be repeated.
>>quite an eyeopener - it tells a great deal about MS's "innovation"
>>this episode deals with Gates & Ballmer and follows their efforts as they
>>buy out Q-DOS then pass it off to IBM as their own
>>LOL - afterwards they rip off Apple's GUI for Windows and begin their days
>>in court.
>>the title and description below tells is all...
>>
>>Triumph of the Nerds
>>"Great Artist Steal"
>>
>>A revolution was on the horizon to make PC friendlier. Those who rose to the
>>top knew - success in the market place doesn't have to come from innovation,
>>or from being the best, you have a ruthless ability to exploit your
>>opportunities.
>>
>>=======================================
>>"At Microsoft there are lots of brilliant ideas but the image is that they
>>all come from the top - I'm afraid that's not quite right." (read: we just
>>rip off everyone else)
>>- Bill Gates
>>=======================================
>>
>>[quote]"At Microsoft there are lots of brilliant ideas but the image is that they[/color]
>
> all come from the top - I'm afraid that's not quite right." (read: we just
> rip off everyone else)
> - Bill Gates[/quote]
> Any corporation worth ten cents and owned/guided by anyone smarter than
> the mail clerk will make sure (s)he hires people who are more
> brilliant/resourceful in areas where (s)he is not the brightest bulb on the
> tree. And any CEO/Owner who claims (s)he is the sole source of all brilliant
> ideas will *never* be worth more than ten cents. The CEO will give credit in
> the company where credit is due, (more or less) and that credit showed up in
> MS by the dozens of brilliant "underlings" who retired multimillionaires, as
> well as present highly paid employees who enjoy favored status in the company
> commensurate with their individual contributions to corporate success. At
> least; "that's mho" for "wiw". And, unless Bill Gates actually said the
> (read: we just..."), note, the corporate attorneys may read that with much
> glee. Of course, it's probably all just in fun anyway. ;-)
>[/color]

Lil'john's got a hardon for BG. He's makes up all kinds of quotes and
attributes them to BG.
Frank

On Sun, 20 May 2007 14:53:50 -0700, Frank <fb@nospamm.cmm> wrote:
[color=blue]
>john wrote:[color=green]
>> it was on last night and will probably be repeated.
>> quite an eyeopener - it tells a great deal about MS's "innovation"
>> this episode deals with Gates & Ballmer and follows their efforts as they
>> buy out Q-DOS then pass it off to IBM as their own
>> LOL - afterwards they rip off Apple's GUI for Windows and begin their days
>> in court.
>> the title and description below tells is all...
>>
>> Triumph of the Nerds
>> "Great Artist Steal"
>>
>> A revolution was on the horizon to make PC friendlier. Those who rose to the
>> top knew - success in the market place doesn't have to come from innovation,
>> or from being the best, you have a ruthless ability to exploit your
>> opportunities.
>>
>> =======================================
>> "At Microsoft there are lots of brilliant ideas but the image is that they
>> all come from the top - I'm afraid that's not quite right." (read: we just
>> rip off everyone else)
>> - Bill Gates
>> =======================================
>>
>>[/color]
>OMG, that is such an old story and if you're just now finding out about
>it you must really be a newbie!
>As for innovation, bet you actually think Jobs & LT are innovators right?
>Don't make me laugh!
>(snort)
>Frank[/color]


YOU make us laugh Frank. Honest.

"Frank" <fb@nospamm.cmm> wrote in message
news:OI74MnymHHA.3736@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...[color=blue]
>
> Lil'john's got a hardon for BG. He's makes up all kinds of quotes and
> attributes them to BG.
> Frank[/color]

nope sorry, every quote is true, each one verbatim - try google

but truth is a tricky concept for you apparently, having stated in this very
NG that that you possess multiple academic "Degree's" [sic], yet you can't
remember what they are or where you earned them - you've been a personal
houseguest of Bill Gates - and you've successfully run nearly all software
known to man on Vista without problems...

-I- make stuff up?
LOL
now -that's- funny
you couldn't pour water out of a boot if the instructions were on the
heel...

--
=======================================
"Your most unhappy customers are your greatest source of learning."
- Bill Gates
=======================================

"Frank" <fb@nospamm.cmm> wrote in message
news:OzbQUlymHHA.3736@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...[color=blue]
>
> OMG, that is such an old story and if you're just now finding out about it
> you must really be a newbie!
> As for innovation, bet you actually think Jobs & LT are innovators right?
> Don't make me laugh!
> (snort)
> Frank[/color]

whooosh...!
once again the point overshot your scalp.

....the wheel in your head might still be spinning, but the hamster is dead.
--
=======================================
from: Re: Anyone able to run Vista successfully?
"Well guess what! I use 3 installs of Vista Ultimate as the primary
computers in my small marketing/advertising business. I have just about
every known software loaded and working perfectly."
- Frank
=======================================

john wrote:[color=blue]
> "Frank" <fb@nospamm.cmm> wrote in message
> news:OI74MnymHHA.3736@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>[color=green]
>>Lil'john's got a hardon for BG. He's makes up all kinds of quotes and
>>attributes them to BG.
>>Frank[/color]
>
>
> nope sorry, every quote is true, each one verbatim - try google[/color]


LOL...you're just the kind of person to use google to verify your
pathetic life.
You proly use "brainyquote" for all of your unverifiable, out-of-context
quotes don't you. Then you go to wikipedia to check your definitions.
Your lucky to have a GED (if you even got that far).
[color=blue]
> but truth is a tricky concept for you apparently, having stated in this very
> NG that that you possess multiple academic "Degree's" [sic],[/color]

never said I had..."multiple academic "Degree's"... did I. I alluded to
the possibility. Your reading comprehension got the best of you. You
don't know if I do or if I don't have multiple degrees and I certainly
don't have to answer to your sorry ass. But maybe I do have...how
many...let me count them...!

yet you can't[color=blue]
> remember what they are or where you earned them[/color]

That's just a stupid extension of the above assumption. Something you're
good at doing. Obviously, I know exactly what they are and where I got
them...all of them...and you don't know.

- you've been a personal[color=blue]
> houseguest of Bill Gates -[/color]

That was a "tongue-in-check" statement and it went right over your head.

and you've successfully run nearly all software[color=blue]
> known to man on Vista without problems...[/color]

I said..'just about ever software....I did not say.."known to man". You
said that, not me. You're a liar, a cheat and proly a thief.
[color=blue]
> -I- make stuff up?[/color]

Constantly, and everyone knows you do. you can't hide.
[color=blue]
> LOL
> now -that's- funny
> you couldn't pour water out of a boot if the instructions were on the
> heel...
>[/color]

hahaha...I'm not dumb enough to put water in a boot but you are since
you know the instructions are located in the heel.
Idiot!
(snort, smirk)
Frank

The way they got away stealing the Apple GUI design is by the simple
fact that a few other programs with OS built-in ran with windows or
pseudo-windows. Desqview as an example. Since Apple can't call the GUI
concept their own, MS was free to do anything they wanted (except, by
court order, they can't utilize a Trash Can...hence, born was a Recycle
bin).



On Sun, 20 May 2007 16:13:23 -0400, "john" <john@msn.com> wrote:
[color=blue]
>it was on last night and will probably be repeated.
>quite an eyeopener - it tells a great deal about MS's "innovation"
>this episode deals with Gates & Ballmer and follows their efforts as they
>buy out Q-DOS then pass it off to IBM as their own
>LOL - afterwards they rip off Apple's GUI for Windows and begin their days
>in court.
>the title and description below tells is all...
>
>Triumph of the Nerds
>"Great Artist Steal"
>
>A revolution was on the horizon to make PC friendlier. Those who rose to the
>top knew - success in the market place doesn't have to come from innovation,
>or from being the best, you have a ruthless ability to exploit your
>opportunities.
>
>=======================================
>"At Microsoft there are lots of brilliant ideas but the image is that they
>all come from the top - I'm afraid that's not quite right." (read: we just
>rip off everyone else)
>- Bill Gates
>=======================================
>[/color]

"Frank" <fb@nospamm.cmm> wrote in message
news:OZ6H940mHHA.4288@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...[color=blue]
> john wrote:[color=green]
>> "Frank" <fb@nospamm.cmm> wrote in message[/color]
> (snort, smirk)
> Frank[/color]

huh? wazzat? did you say something Frank?
sorry, I was clipping my toenails...

see how Frank lights a candle...
[url]http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6304447980554417691[/url]

--
=======================================
"If you can't make it good, at least make it look good."
- Bill Gates
=======================================

Oh, ****, if only we had known back in our university days that we could have
done something useful other than singeing our pubes.



"john" <john@msn.com> wrote in message
news:eaTg%23j7mHHA.3888@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...[color=blue]
> "Frank" <fb@nospamm.cmm> wrote in message
> news:OZ6H940mHHA.4288@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...[color=green]
>> john wrote:[color=darkred]
>>> "Frank" <fb@nospamm.cmm> wrote in message[/color]
>> (snort, smirk)
>> Frank[/color]
>
> huh? wazzat? did you say something Frank?
> sorry, I was clipping my toenails...
>
> see how Frank lights a candle...
> [url]http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6304447980554417691[/url]
>
> --
> =======================================
> "If you can't make it good, at least make it look good."
> - Bill Gates
> =======================================
>[/color]

Frank wrote:
[color=blue]
> john wrote:[color=green]
>> "Frank" <fb@nospamm.cmm> wrote in message
>> news:OI74MnymHHA.3736@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>[color=darkred]
>>>Lil'john's got a hardon for BG. He's makes up all kinds of quotes and
>>>attributes them to BG.
>>>Frank[/color]
>>
>>
>> nope sorry, every quote is true, each one verbatim - try google[/color]
>
>
> LOL...you're just the kind of person to use google to verify your
> pathetic life.
> You proly use "brainyquote" for all of your unverifiable, out-of-context
> quotes don't you. Then you go to wikipedia to check your definitions.
> Your lucky to have a GED (if you even got that far).
>[color=green]
>> but truth is a tricky concept for you apparently, having stated in this
>> very NG that that you possess multiple academic "Degree's" [sic],[/color]
>
> never said I had..."multiple academic "Degree's"... did I. I alluded to
> the possibility. Your reading comprehension got the best of you. You
> don't know if I do or if I don't have multiple degrees and I certainly
> don't have to answer to your sorry ass. But maybe I do have...how
> many...let me count them...!
>[/color]
Frankie Boy, don't start counting the patches on your sleeve. Although, a
cub scout badge for tying knots, in your case, is quite the
accomplishment ... it really isn't an "academic degree", no matter what
your mommy told you. <snort>

Love and Kisses,
Doris


--
My Microsoft Hero (he loves this company!) ... [url]http://tinyurl.com/yp9cn2[/url]
Installing: Windows vs Linux ... [url]http://tinyurl.com/ywqmbw[/url]
BallmerBumBois: Frank, Julian, Richard Urban, Jupiter Jones, Harry Krause,
Feliks Dzerzhinsky
Sorry if I missed anyone, place your name here _________________.

Doris Day - MFB wrote:[color=blue]
> Frank wrote:
>
>[color=green]
>>john wrote:
>>[color=darkred]
>>>"Frank" <fb@nospamm.cmm> wrote in message
>>>news:OI74MnymHHA.3736@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>>
>>>
>>>>Lil'john's got a hardon for BG. He's makes up all kinds of quotes and
>>>>attributes them to BG.
>>>>Frank
>>>
>>>
>>>nope sorry, every quote is true, each one verbatim - try google[/color]
>>
>>
>>LOL...you're just the kind of person to use google to verify your
>>pathetic life.
>>You proly use "brainyquote" for all of your unverifiable, out-of-context
>>quotes don't you. Then you go to wikipedia to check your definitions.
>>Your lucky to have a GED (if you even got that far).
>>
>>[color=darkred]
>>>but truth is a tricky concept for you apparently, having stated in this
>>>very NG that that you possess multiple academic "Degree's" [sic],[/color]
>>
>>never said I had..."multiple academic "Degree's"... did I. I alluded to
>>the possibility. Your reading comprehension got the best of you. You
>>don't know if I do or if I don't have multiple degrees and I certainly
>>don't have to answer to your sorry ass. But maybe I do have...how
>>many...let me count them...!
>>[/color]
>
> Frankie Boy, don't start counting the patches on your sleeve. Although, a
> cub scout badge for tying knots, in your case, is quite the
> accomplishment ... it really isn't an "academic degree", no matter what
> your mommy told you. <snort>
>
> Love and Kisses,
> Doris
>
>[/color]
Did you say something? I though johnboy said you were helping him clip
his toenails.
How sweet!
(smirk)
Frank

John--

I think it can be viewed here for a month:

[url]http://science.discovery.com/tv-schedules/series.html?paid=48.15128.121659.3246.x[/url]

There are several other MSFT and Tech in the valley shows from the science
channel like the Robert Quigley books.
[url]http://science.discovery.com/tv-schedules/series.html?paid=48.15128.118568.31637.x[/url]

CH


"john" <john@msn.com> wrote in message
news:OTGGXtxmHHA.1240@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...[color=blue]
> it was on last night and will probably be repeated.
> quite an eyeopener - it tells a great deal about MS's "innovation"
> this episode deals with Gates & Ballmer and follows their efforts as they
> buy out Q-DOS then pass it off to IBM as their own
> LOL - afterwards they rip off Apple's GUI for Windows and begin their days
> in court.
> the title and description below tells is all...
>
> Triumph of the Nerds
> "Great Artist Steal"
>
> A revolution was on the horizon to make PC friendlier. Those who rose to
> the top knew - success in the market place doesn't have to come from
> innovation, or from being the best, you have a ruthless ability to exploit
> your opportunities.
>
> =======================================
> "At Microsoft there are lots of brilliant ideas but the image is that they
> all come from the top - I'm afraid that's not quite right." (read: we just
> rip off everyone else)
> - Bill Gates
> =======================================
>[/color]