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Ban Strife wrote:[color=blue]
> I came here to Vista64.com over two weeks ago, hoping to find some
> information on Windows Vista. I hoped to see more civil forum-goers,
> helping others with their technical problems, giving valuable
> information on a certain matter, and, well, wishing the best of others
> with the new operating system.
>
> As a young man of 18 years, I thought that maybe I can learn more.
> Instead, I read of things so foul that I could not believe those who had
> posted those messages are actually adults; people who are wiser, more
> experienced than I. They ranted and cursed, and even whined about how
> Windows Vista wasn't just right.
>
> I've been reflecting and chose to post this thread. Though, I know it's
> out of topic, please do forgive me as I could not bear anymore of these
> adults' foolishness.
>
> I also know that I am not in the right to say this but please, I beg
> you people, please respect each other. If you like Mac or Linux, then so
> be it. You do not have to spread tantrums all over the forums.
>
> We are not here to obliterate one's morale. We are not here to proclaim
> how glorious one OS is from the other. We are here to help and learn
> from one another.
>
> Again, I beg you people, please, start making this forum a better place
> to share thoughts in.
>
> With Best Regards,
> Ban Strife
>
>[/color]

There are a number of reasons you see hostility. I can understand it
when people encounter a problem that should never have happened, or have
tried a million things to correct a problem without success.

What I can't understand are the trolls who have nothing better to do,
but stir up trouble. They fall into tow groups. The first simply hate
MS because it makes a lot of money. They are easy to spot with their
anti-MS post titles. The second are those who use a different OS and
seek converts. The adage, misery loves company is the key, here. Also,
everyone likes to think they have made the right choice and the fact
that there are many more Windows users challenges that. They're easily
upset. <vbg>

While outright name calling and vulgarity is stupid, I have to admit
that twisting the tails of the trolls can be fun.

Some things I've discovered are that Linux trolls avoid those who know
Linux better than they do. Apple trolls are embarrassed when asked the
cost of their hardware and its specs. ;-)

- --
Iron Feliks

Trolls are like babies. After feeding, they get stinky.
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>[color=blue]
> Some things I've discovered are that Linux trolls avoid those who know
> Linux better than they do. Apple trolls are embarrassed when asked the
> cost of their hardware and its specs. ;-)
>[/color]


I try to avoid these types of threads but this is just too funny. Well said
but you forgot one thing. Windows trolls generally don't even know they are
trolls let alone anything about Windows other than "it's the best'. Trolls
of any kind are funny and should be mostly ignored.

--
Kerry Brown
Microsoft MVP - Shell/User
[url]http://www.vistahelp.ca[/url]

On Sat, 19 May 2007 10:08:21 -0700, Feliks Dzerzhinsky
<fdzerzhinsky@kgb.su> wrote:
[color=blue]
>
>There are a number of reasons you see hostility. I can understand it
>when people encounter a problem that should never have happened, or have
>tried a million things to correct a problem without success.
>
>What I can't understand are the trolls who have nothing better to do,
>but stir up trouble.[/color]

Funny. Everybody that has a problem get labeled as a Microsoft hater,
anybody preferring a different OS gets labeled as a troll. How
simplistic and child like a view.

You forgot the largest category: WHINERS, which seems to be the group
you and sadly many others belong in.

These are some of main sub categories:

Plonkers that are so juvenile they such can't resist telling the world
they just plonked somebody, always right after they got their head
handed to them on a platter. They simply aren't adult enough to skip
posters that bug them.

The Net Cops that just have to try to tell people they shouldn't post
in this group, go post in another one or do research before asking a
question. Just more juvenile conduct.

The 'hey you don't like it, don't use Vista' gang. A very anal group
of hot heads that seem to enjoy telling people having problems moronic
things like nobody forced you to buy Vista, or if you don't like it or
can't get it to work, switch to something else. Guess what, right,
just more juveniles.

Then we have the 'it ain't Microsoft fault' Squad. Another very
popular club of malcontents. They will whine all software has bugs.
Don't you know writing a operating system is hard work. Wait until the
service pack comes out. Why did you upgrade, if XP was running ok for
you and more Microsoft ass kissing comments. Very funny group.

The finger pointers club. They love to pretend Micosoft software has
no bugs. They will whine endlessley it is a hardware problem, you
should yell at the your hardware vendor. They will try hard to paint
the person asking the question as a dummy. Yep, still more juvenile
conduct.

Then we have the fanboys club that blindly defends Microsoft mistakes
no matter what.

Then there are the outright fakers. They kind of stand out. Many are
clueless MVPs or just crybabies like Justin always trying to have the
last word, calling other liars or pretending they know more than
everybody else.

Such is how things are in newsgroups. Almost all of them. Always has
been so. Either accept it, leave or whine and add to the amusement
level which is afterall why most people visit groups such as these if
they admit it or not. The purpose is to watch the human circus. To
blow off some steam, to be amused, and every once in awhile maybe help
somebody that truly has a problem.

However, as most know, most posters here are looking to act up, act
out, point their fingers, whine, moan and in general make fools of
themselves. And they do daily. I find the show interesting and as such
groups such as these serve a legimate purpose in it is THE place to
express some disappointment, some anger, some frustration and just
watch the show.

On Sat, 19 May 2007 10:41:05 -0700, "Kerry Brown"
<kerry@kdbNOSPAMsys-tems.c*a*m> wrote:
[color=blue][color=green]
>>
>> Some things I've discovered are that Linux trolls avoid those who know
>> Linux better than they do. Apple trolls are embarrassed when asked the
>> cost of their hardware and its specs. ;-)
>>[/color]
>
>
>I try to avoid these types of threads but this is just too funny. Well said
>but you forgot one thing. Windows trolls generally don't even know they are
>trolls let alone anything about Windows other than "it's the best'. Trolls
>of any kind are funny and should be mostly ignored.[/color]

What's ever funnier are those doing the complaining and because of it
resulting in making more noise with their complaining then all the
so-called trolls do combined. People are funny. The funniest are the
ones that don't have a clue how funny they are.

LOL I love your descriptions!

And although I have seen many of the people you describe in here....
and I dont agree with most of them.... they all have their special charm :-)

A supurb site you MUST see (if you have not already done so) is this one:

[url]http://redwing.hutman.net/~mreed/[/url]

FANTASTIC CARTOONS or caricatures of newsgroup types... lol

click on the drop down window to see all the different types




"Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message
news:ducu43tb5gne95ofoee1jqm720hiifg1rt@4ax.com...[color=blue]
> On Sat, 19 May 2007 10:08:21 -0700, Feliks Dzerzhinsky
> <fdzerzhinsky@kgb.su> wrote:
>[color=green]
>>
>>There are a number of reasons you see hostility. I can understand it
>>when people encounter a problem that should never have happened, or have
>>tried a million things to correct a problem without success.
>>
>>What I can't understand are the trolls who have nothing better to do,
>>but stir up trouble.[/color]
>
> Funny. Everybody that has a problem get labeled as a Microsoft hater,
> anybody preferring a different OS gets labeled as a troll. How
> simplistic and child like a view.
>
> You forgot the largest category: WHINERS, which seems to be the group
> you and sadly many others belong in.
>
> These are some of main sub categories:
>
> Plonkers that are so juvenile they such can't resist telling the world
> they just plonked somebody, always right after they got their head
> handed to them on a platter. They simply aren't adult enough to skip
> posters that bug them.
>
> The Net Cops that just have to try to tell people they shouldn't post
> in this group, go post in another one or do research before asking a
> question. Just more juvenile conduct.
>
> The 'hey you don't like it, don't use Vista' gang. A very anal group
> of hot heads that seem to enjoy telling people having problems moronic
> things like nobody forced you to buy Vista, or if you don't like it or
> can't get it to work, switch to something else. Guess what, right,
> just more juveniles.
>
> Then we have the 'it ain't Microsoft fault' Squad. Another very
> popular club of malcontents. They will whine all software has bugs.
> Don't you know writing a operating system is hard work. Wait until the
> service pack comes out. Why did you upgrade, if XP was running ok for
> you and more Microsoft ass kissing comments. Very funny group.
>
> The finger pointers club. They love to pretend Micosoft software has
> no bugs. They will whine endlessley it is a hardware problem, you
> should yell at the your hardware vendor. They will try hard to paint
> the person asking the question as a dummy. Yep, still more juvenile
> conduct.
>
> Then we have the fanboys club that blindly defends Microsoft mistakes
> no matter what.
>
> Then there are the outright fakers. They kind of stand out. Many are
> clueless MVPs or just crybabies like Justin always trying to have the
> last word, calling other liars or pretending they know more than
> everybody else.
>
> Such is how things are in newsgroups. Almost all of them. Always has
> been so. Either accept it, leave or whine and add to the amusement
> level which is afterall why most people visit groups such as these if
> they admit it or not. The purpose is to watch the human circus. To
> blow off some steam, to be amused, and every once in awhile maybe help
> somebody that truly has a problem.
>
> However, as most know, most posters here are looking to act up, act
> out, point their fingers, whine, moan and in general make fools of
> themselves. And they do daily. I find the show interesting and as such
> groups such as these serve a legimate purpose in it is THE place to
> express some disappointment, some anger, some frustration and just
> watch the show.
>
>[/color]

How about those of us that are new to this site and are REALLY LOOKING FOR
HELP?? What group do we fall into??

"Adam Albright" wrote:
[color=blue]
> On Sat, 19 May 2007 10:08:21 -0700, Feliks Dzerzhinsky
> <fdzerzhinsky@kgb.su> wrote:
>[color=green]
> >
> >There are a number of reasons you see hostility. I can understand it
> >when people encounter a problem that should never have happened, or have
> >tried a million things to correct a problem without success.
> >
> >What I can't understand are the trolls who have nothing better to do,
> >but stir up trouble.[/color]
>
> Funny. Everybody that has a problem get labeled as a Microsoft hater,
> anybody preferring a different OS gets labeled as a troll. How
> simplistic and child like a view.
>
> You forgot the largest category: WHINERS, which seems to be the group
> you and sadly many others belong in.
>
> These are some of main sub categories:
>
> Plonkers that are so juvenile they such can't resist telling the world
> they just plonked somebody, always right after they got their head
> handed to them on a platter. They simply aren't adult enough to skip
> posters that bug them.
>
> The Net Cops that just have to try to tell people they shouldn't post
> in this group, go post in another one or do research before asking a
> question. Just more juvenile conduct.
>
> The 'hey you don't like it, don't use Vista' gang. A very anal group
> of hot heads that seem to enjoy telling people having problems moronic
> things like nobody forced you to buy Vista, or if you don't like it or
> can't get it to work, switch to something else. Guess what, right,
> just more juveniles.
>
> Then we have the 'it ain't Microsoft fault' Squad. Another very
> popular club of malcontents. They will whine all software has bugs.
> Don't you know writing a operating system is hard work. Wait until the
> service pack comes out. Why did you upgrade, if XP was running ok for
> you and more Microsoft ass kissing comments. Very funny group.
>
> The finger pointers club. They love to pretend Micosoft software has
> no bugs. They will whine endlessley it is a hardware problem, you
> should yell at the your hardware vendor. They will try hard to paint
> the person asking the question as a dummy. Yep, still more juvenile
> conduct.
>
> Then we have the fanboys club that blindly defends Microsoft mistakes
> no matter what.
>
> Then there are the outright fakers. They kind of stand out. Many are
> clueless MVPs or just crybabies like Justin always trying to have the
> last word, calling other liars or pretending they know more than
> everybody else.
>
> Such is how things are in newsgroups. Almost all of them. Always has
> been so. Either accept it, leave or whine and add to the amusement
> level which is afterall why most people visit groups such as these if
> they admit it or not. The purpose is to watch the human circus. To
> blow off some steam, to be amused, and every once in awhile maybe help
> somebody that truly has a problem.
>
> However, as most know, most posters here are looking to act up, act
> out, point their fingers, whine, moan and in general make fools of
> themselves. And they do daily. I find the show interesting and as such
> groups such as these serve a legimate purpose in it is THE place to
> express some disappointment, some anger, some frustration and just
> watch the show.
>
>
>[/color]

Well ask for help and many people will help you....

that has always been the case....

Now.. what is your need for help, I for one, will help you in the best way
that is possible.


"Mimi" <Mimi@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:89861D23-A9C3-4623-9743-7ED9E186BB9D@microsoft.com...[color=blue]
> How about those of us that are new to this site and are REALLY LOOKING
> FOR
> HELP?? What group do we fall into??
>
> "Adam Albright" wrote:
>[color=green]
>> On Sat, 19 May 2007 10:08:21 -0700, Feliks Dzerzhinsky
>> <fdzerzhinsky@kgb.su> wrote:
>>[color=darkred]
>> >
>> >There are a number of reasons you see hostility. I can understand it
>> >when people encounter a problem that should never have happened, or have
>> >tried a million things to correct a problem without success.
>> >
>> >What I can't understand are the trolls who have nothing better to do,
>> >but stir up trouble.[/color]
>>
>> Funny. Everybody that has a problem get labeled as a Microsoft hater,
>> anybody preferring a different OS gets labeled as a troll. How
>> simplistic and child like a view.
>>
>> You forgot the largest category: WHINERS, which seems to be the group
>> you and sadly many others belong in.
>>
>> These are some of main sub categories:
>>
>> Plonkers that are so juvenile they such can't resist telling the world
>> they just plonked somebody, always right after they got their head
>> handed to them on a platter. They simply aren't adult enough to skip
>> posters that bug them.
>>
>> The Net Cops that just have to try to tell people they shouldn't post
>> in this group, go post in another one or do research before asking a
>> question. Just more juvenile conduct.
>>
>> The 'hey you don't like it, don't use Vista' gang. A very anal group
>> of hot heads that seem to enjoy telling people having problems moronic
>> things like nobody forced you to buy Vista, or if you don't like it or
>> can't get it to work, switch to something else. Guess what, right,
>> just more juveniles.
>>
>> Then we have the 'it ain't Microsoft fault' Squad. Another very
>> popular club of malcontents. They will whine all software has bugs.
>> Don't you know writing a operating system is hard work. Wait until the
>> service pack comes out. Why did you upgrade, if XP was running ok for
>> you and more Microsoft ass kissing comments. Very funny group.
>>
>> The finger pointers club. They love to pretend Micosoft software has
>> no bugs. They will whine endlessley it is a hardware problem, you
>> should yell at the your hardware vendor. They will try hard to paint
>> the person asking the question as a dummy. Yep, still more juvenile
>> conduct.
>>
>> Then we have the fanboys club that blindly defends Microsoft mistakes
>> no matter what.
>>
>> Then there are the outright fakers. They kind of stand out. Many are
>> clueless MVPs or just crybabies like Justin always trying to have the
>> last word, calling other liars or pretending they know more than
>> everybody else.
>>
>> Such is how things are in newsgroups. Almost all of them. Always has
>> been so. Either accept it, leave or whine and add to the amusement
>> level which is afterall why most people visit groups such as these if
>> they admit it or not. The purpose is to watch the human circus. To
>> blow off some steam, to be amused, and every once in awhile maybe help
>> somebody that truly has a problem.
>>
>> However, as most know, most posters here are looking to act up, act
>> out, point their fingers, whine, moan and in general make fools of
>> themselves. And they do daily. I find the show interesting and as such
>> groups such as these serve a legimate purpose in it is THE place to
>> express some disappointment, some anger, some frustration and just
>> watch the show.
>>
>>
>>[/color][/color]

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Kerry Brown wrote:[color=blue][color=green]
>>
>> Some things I've discovered are that Linux trolls avoid those who know
>> Linux better than they do. Apple trolls are embarrassed when asked the
>> cost of their hardware and its specs. ;-)
>>[/color]
>
>
> I try to avoid these types of threads but this is just too funny. Well
> said but you forgot one thing. Windows trolls generally don't even know
> they are trolls let alone anything about Windows other than "it's the
> best'. Trolls of any kind are funny and should be mostly ignored.
>[/color]

You are, of course, correct that there are windows trolls and they
routinely invade Linux NGs. They are equally stupid. I still
administer Linux servers and use Vista on my desktop and laptop
machines. I get to recognize more BS than most. Windows isn't perfect.
Linux isn't perfect. The Mac OS isn't perfect.

Well, having said that, I wil be flamed by everyone, now.
- --
Iron Feliks

Trolls are like babies. After feeding, they get stinky.
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"Feliks Dzerzhinsky" <fdzerzhinsky@kgb.su> wrote in message
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>
> Kerry Brown wrote:[color=green][color=darkred]
>>>
>>> Some things I've discovered are that Linux trolls avoid those who know
>>> Linux better than they do. Apple trolls are embarrassed when asked the
>>> cost of their hardware and its specs. ;-)
>>>[/color]
>>
>>
>> I try to avoid these types of threads but this is just too funny. Well
>> said but you forgot one thing. Windows trolls generally don't even know
>> they are trolls let alone anything about Windows other than "it's the
>> best'. Trolls of any kind are funny and should be mostly ignored.
>>[/color]
>
> You are, of course, correct that there are windows trolls and they
> routinely invade Linux NGs. They are equally stupid. I still
> administer Linux servers and use Vista on my desktop and laptop
> machines. I get to recognize more BS than most. Windows isn't perfect.
> Linux isn't perfect. The Mac OS isn't perfect.
>
> Well, having said that, I wil be flamed by everyone, now.[/color]


Not by me. I agree 100%

--
Kerry Brown
Microsoft MVP - Shell/User
[url]http://www.vistahelp.ca[/url]

VAX/VMS rules!

;-)



"Feliks Dzerzhinsky" <fdzerzhinsky@kgb.su> wrote in message
news:el8OTOmmHHA.4840@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...[color=blue]
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>
> Kerry Brown wrote:[color=green][color=darkred]
>>>
>>> Some things I've discovered are that Linux trolls avoid those who know
>>> Linux better than they do. Apple trolls are embarrassed when asked the
>>> cost of their hardware and its specs. ;-)
>>>[/color]
>>
>>
>> I try to avoid these types of threads but this is just too funny. Well
>> said but you forgot one thing. Windows trolls generally don't even know
>> they are trolls let alone anything about Windows other than "it's the
>> best'. Trolls of any kind are funny and should be mostly ignored.
>>[/color]
>
> You are, of course, correct that there are windows trolls and they
> routinely invade Linux NGs. They are equally stupid. I still
> administer Linux servers and use Vista on my desktop and laptop
> machines. I get to recognize more BS than most. Windows isn't perfect.
> Linux isn't perfect. The Mac OS isn't perfect.
>
> Well, having said that, I wil be flamed by everyone, now.
> - --
> Iron Feliks
>
> Trolls are like babies. After feeding, they get stinky.
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On Sat, 19 May 2007 13:48:01 -0700, Mimi
<Mimi@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
[color=blue]
>How about those of us that are new to this site and are REALLY LOOKING FOR
>HELP?? What group do we fall into??[/color]

A tiny minority.

"Dave" <dave@roadrunner.com> wrote in message
news:eslflommHHA.1328@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...[color=blue]
> VAX/VMS rules![/color]

MVS

On Sat, 19 May 2007 23:42:49 +0300, "Tiberius" <James@tiberius.kirk>
wrote:
[color=blue]
>LOL I love your descriptions!
>
>And although I have seen many of the people you describe in here....
>and I dont agree with most of them.... they all have their special charm :-)
>
>A supurb site you MUST see (if you have not already done so) is this one:
>
>[url]http://redwing.hutman.net/~mreed/[/url]
>
>FANTASTIC CARTOONS or caricatures of newsgroup types... lol
>
>click on the drop down window to see all the different types[/color]

Great site! Thanks for the link. How true, how true. LOL!

"Dave" <dave@roadrunner.com> wrote in message
news:eslflommHHA.1328@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...[color=blue]
> VAX/VMS rules!
>
> ;-)
>[/color]


pip vax_troll=killfile.txt

--
Kerry Brown
Microsoft MVP - Shell/User
[url]http://www.vistahelp.ca[/url]

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Julian wrote:[color=blue]
> "Dave" <dave@roadrunner.com> wrote in message
> news:eslflommHHA.1328@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...[color=green]
>> VAX/VMS rules![/color]
>
> MVS[/color]

What happened to the OS/2 diehards?

- --
Iron Feliks

Trolls are like babies. After feeding, they get stinky.
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