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> Apple's GUI was "borrowed" from Xerox. Everyone knows that. So?
>
> Lang
>
>[/color]
Not true. It was frankly stolen. The entire Apple interface changed
after Jobs visited Xerox in Palo Alto. This came out in Apple's suit
against MicroSoft. When the evidence was presented the jurors were
stunned.

I wish companies would stop suing and get on with developing good
software. Microsoft needs to focus energies on software developent or it
will start losing market share. In a recent discussion with an
educational software developer he described how his group was swithcing
to Apple's "Keynote" which is easier and more "user friendly" than
"Powerpoint". As an example to attach a sound file to a "Keynote"
presentation slide takes one keystroke, in Powerpoint it takes 4.

"Julian" <Julianlzb87******.com> wrote in message
news:D023F13F-1F05-4F95-8FAD-FE2192C29993@microsoft.com...[color=blue]
> "Lang Murphy" <lang_murphy********.com> wrote in message
> news:DCD43146-5585-4669-86C1-48EBD138FBAF@microsoft.com...[color=green]
>> "Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message
>> news:k80n43dvosn8dm6n01k2g81ae79tuci0u2@4ax.com...[color=darkred]
>>> On Wed, 16 May 2007 14:33:38 -0700, Frank <fb@nospamm.cmm> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Mick wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Microsoft's licence threat to Linux
>>>>> Daisuke Wakabayashi and Jim Finkle
>>>>> MAY 16, 2007
>>>>>
>>>>> MICROSOFT has made its biggest challenge against open-source software,
>>>>> including Windows rival Linux, claiming that such programs violate 235
>>>>> Microsoft patents and saying it will seek licence fees.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Good idea! Make the freeloading bastards pay!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>"They should name their patents," Mr Moglen said. "They should put up or
>>>>shut up."
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>I'm sure they will. The courts will then sort out who's right and who's
>>>>wrong.
>>>
>>> So funny coming from Microsoft who GUI for Windows is based on Apple
>>> and they copied Lotus 1-2-3 and made it Excel, then copied Word
>>> Perfect and made it Word. There there was their browser who was copied
>>> from Netscape.
>>>
>>> Microsoft doesn't know how to create ORIGINAL software. They just copy
>>> somebody else's ideas or buy them out.
>>>
>>>[/color]
>>
>>
>> Apple's GUI was "borrowed" from Xerox. Everyone knows that. So?[/color]
>
> Yes, the idea that there is anything new or original extremely naive.
> There is nothing new under the sun. Everything is built upon the past.
>
> I wonder whether Adam is a sickening hypocrite or his computer really
> has a case, motherboard, drives, cpu, memory, key board, mouse, screen
> etc.
> manufactured by the same company?
>
> I suppose such creatures as Adam really believe that Apple
> don't buy in components. What a wally![/color]


Well... sometimes there -are- new things... like Xerox's UI. THAT was "new."
Everything that's followed is, hmm..., not new? Personally, I could give a
flying fart if MS copies UI elements from Mac's OS. So what? BMW busted out
that butt ugly, imho, trunk a few years ago and now Toyota's have it too. So
what? A car's a car. An OS is an OS. I like Mac's... would love to be able
to afford one. Can no do. So... it's PC Land for me. And in PC Land, I've
found Windows to be the best fit for me.

Lang

"GeraldF" <me@somewhere.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.20b84772838de6a4989681@news.microsoft.com...[color=blue]
>[color=green]
>> Apple's GUI was "borrowed" from Xerox. Everyone knows that. So?
>>
>> Lang
>>
>>[/color]
> Not true. It was frankly stolen. The entire Apple interface changed
> after Jobs visited Xerox in Palo Alto. This came out in Apple's suit
> against MicroSoft. When the evidence was presented the jurors were
> stunned.
>
> I wish companies would stop suing and get on with developing good
> software. Microsoft needs to focus energies on software developent or it
> will start losing market share. In a recent discussion with an
> educational software developer he described how his group was swithcing
> to Apple's "Keynote" which is easier and more "user friendly" than
> "Powerpoint". As an example to attach a sound file to a "Keynote"
> presentation slide takes one keystroke, in Powerpoint it takes 4.[/color]


Well... I was being polite when I said it was "borrowed." As to the
difference between 4 keystrokes and one keystroke... yeah, don't know about
that... not a big PP user. Are we looking for the zero keystroke app? Are
there functions in PP that take less keystrokes than "Keynote?" No clue. But
curious.

Lang

"Lang Murphy" <lang_murphy********.com> wrote in message
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> "Julian" <Julianlzb87******.com> wrote in message
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>> "Lang Murphy" <lang_murphy********.com> wrote in message
>> news:DCD43146-5585-4669-86C1-48EBD138FBAF@microsoft.com...[color=darkred]
>>> "Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message
>>> news:k80n43dvosn8dm6n01k2g81ae79tuci0u2@4ax.com...
>>>> On Wed, 16 May 2007 14:33:38 -0700, Frank <fb@nospamm.cmm> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Mick wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Microsoft's licence threat to Linux
>>>>>> Daisuke Wakabayashi and Jim Finkle
>>>>>> MAY 16, 2007
>>>>>>
>>>>>> MICROSOFT has made its biggest challenge against open-source
>>>>>> software,
>>>>>> including Windows rival Linux, claiming that such programs violate
>>>>>> 235
>>>>>> Microsoft patents and saying it will seek licence fees.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Good idea! Make the freeloading bastards pay!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>"They should name their patents," Mr Moglen said. "They should put up
>>>>>or
>>>>>shut up."
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>I'm sure they will. The courts will then sort out who's right and who's
>>>>>wrong.
>>>>
>>>> So funny coming from Microsoft who GUI for Windows is based on Apple
>>>> and they copied Lotus 1-2-3 and made it Excel, then copied Word
>>>> Perfect and made it Word. There there was their browser who was copied
>>>> from Netscape.
>>>>
>>>> Microsoft doesn't know how to create ORIGINAL software. They just copy
>>>> somebody else's ideas or buy them out.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Apple's GUI was "borrowed" from Xerox. Everyone knows that. So?[/color]
>>
>> Yes, the idea that there is anything new or original extremely naive.
>> There is nothing new under the sun. Everything is built upon the past.
>>
>> I wonder whether Adam is a sickening hypocrite or his computer really
>> has a case, motherboard, drives, cpu, memory, key board, mouse, screen
>> etc.
>> manufactured by the same company?
>>
>> I suppose such creatures as Adam really believe that Apple
>> don't buy in components. What a wally![/color]
>
>
> Well... sometimes there -are- new things... like Xerox's UI. THAT was
> "new." Everything that's followed is, hmm..., not new? Personally, I could
> give a flying fart if MS copies UI elements from Mac's OS. So what? BMW
> busted out that butt ugly, imho, trunk a few years ago and now Toyota's
> have it too. So what? A car's a car. An OS is an OS. I like Mac's... would
> love to be able to afford one. Can no do. So... it's PC Land for me. And
> in PC Land, I've found Windows to be the best fit for me.[/color]

Me too.

BTW even the Xerox UI didn't spring out of nowhere but was
a just another step along the road of making computers
useable. Just like the keyboard was a step up from
plugs and switches.