Doris Day - MFB wrote:
[color=blue]
>
> Trying Linux is a little more than booting up a LiveCD and running Firefox.
> I know, it gave you some sense of accomplishment. But really ... there
> really is much more to Linux than just that. <snort>
>
> Love and Kisses,
> Doris
>[/color]

The only distro I ever tried on LiveCD was Xandros 4.0. Otherwise of
late I've installed Mandriva 2007 Powerpack.
Over the years I've tried a maybe 8-10 distros, all installed.
At first it's fun and different, then it becomes like a hobby and pretty
soon it's a full blown job.
At that point I usually leave it along cause I need to be productive. By
that I mean I need to make real money and I do that with Windows and all
the apps installed that I want and need.
My experience with linux is probably typical.
I see that you and the rest of the linux fan boys are real linux
fanatics. It owns you guys for whatever reason(s). That's your problem
not mine. I don't understand the mind set or motivation that compels you
guys to post your linux taunts in this MS ng. If linux cost money and
you were selling it I'd understand. But seeing as how linux it free,
points to some other phobia or affliction or aggravation as your
motivation. I must say, you guys are certainly an unhappy group of fanatics.
Anyway, I'm quite happy with MS and all of the other software from other
companies that will run on MS OS's.
They put food on my table and money in my pocket.
Frank

"Jim" <Jim@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:00E03D76-051C-4E94-8880-C2CB17455764@microsoft.com...[color=blue]
> That is what I am going to do - remove it from my old machine and install
> on
> the new machine. I will only be operating the one copy I bought on one
> computer. The problem is how do I prove to Microsoft that I have done
> this
> so they will let me authenticate it on the new machine. I am sympathetic
> to
> Microsofts problem and accept that everyone has a right to make a living
> and
> I want to comply with the rules but this has been nerve wracking.[/color]

Format the old machine. Call them and tell them you formatted it.

I have the update, and newsgroups continue to work fine on
Windows Mail.

Gary VanderMolen

"Richard Urban" <richardurbanREMOVETHIS********.com> wrote in message news:uFMepLlkHHA.208@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...[color=blue]
> The Windows Mail newsgroup interface was harmed by an update (KB931768) originating from Microsoft on 05/08/2007.
>
> Other than that, Use Windows Mail to setup and work with the newsgroups instead of the web interface. You can keep better track
> of what is being posted and the responses to the original posts.
>
> --
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Richard Urban
> Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User
> (For email, remove the obvious from my address)
>
> Quote from George Ankner:
> If you knew as much as you think you know,
> You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!
>
> "Jim" <Jim@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:4339E7FB-DC80-4248-B1A3-680FA84C99DC@microsoft.com...[color=green]
>> I'm using my Thinkpad with XP and not Ubuntu, so what am I doing wrong with
>> the newsgroup interface? It does seem kind of klunky.
>>
>> "Richard Urban" wrote:
>>[color=darkred]
>>> I guess you haven't figured out how to use newsgroups in the Ubuntu supplied
>>> email program as you are posting directly to the crappy web newsgroup
>>> interface.
>>>
>>> Go troll elsewhere.
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Richard Urban
>>> Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User
>>> (For email, remove the obvious from my address)
>>>
>>> Quote from George Ankner:
>>> If you knew as much as you think you know,
>>> You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!
>>>
>>> "Jim" <Jim@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>>> news:B657249D-E5DB-40B9-8B77-ECB73B98F46A@microsoft.com...
>>> > Like a lot of people when I installed Vista on my computer I found that it
>>> > was underqualified for Vista. My CPU was too slow (Athlon 1.5gig)and my
>>> > hard
>>> > drive was too small (25 gig). So I made the decision to build a new
>>> > system
>>> > so I could take advantage of the cool features of Vista. What a shock
>>> > when I
>>> > found Microsoft would not authenticate Vista on my new computer - even
>>> > though
>>> > I had salvaged the old computer. It said I could only install on one
>>> > machine
>>> > (my old one) and I needed to buy a new copy of Vista for my new machine.
>>> > The
>>> > guy said they are really clamping down on piracy. I tried to explain that
>>> > this wasnt piracy but an honest effort to get the most out of Vista. I
>>> > did
>>> > not prevail. Faced with a new machine without an operating system I
>>> > turned
>>> > to my neighbor who is a computer guru and he loaned me a cdrom with a copy
>>> > of
>>> > a funny sounding program called Ubuntu? I installed it on my new dual
>>> > core
>>> > machine and is really great and it FLIES. He also gave me a copy of Open
>>> > Office as my wife is an elementary school teacher and needs to do a lot of
>>> > stuff for school. It to is amazingly fast and does everthing we need to
>>> > do.
>>> > I am not happy with Microsoft but at least I found a workaround. My
>>> > neighbor
>>> > said the workaround wont help for games as they need Vista or XP but I
>>> > play
>>> > games on my Xbox so no problem there.
>>> >
>>> > Jim
>>>
>>>[/color][/color]
>[/color]

Hmmm I've had nothing but luck in dealing with the activation people. I've
had to re-do peoples PC before whom already activated Retail Vista and a few
of them had all new part (except for the HD).

Anyway I was basicly given 3 questions...

1. Have you activated this copy of Vista before? Answer YES
2. Why are you activating this again? Answer: Computer crashed and had to
build a new one
3. Are you running this version of Vista on any other Machines? Answer:
NOPE just this one.

....OK here is your activation code.........

Simple as that. At least for me.

"Leythos" wrote:
[color=blue]
> On Wed, 09 May 2007 07:34:02 -0700, Jim wrote:
>[color=green]
> > Like a lot of people when I installed Vista on my computer I found that
> > it was underqualified for Vista. My CPU was too slow (Athlon 1.5gig)and
> > my hard drive was too small (25 gig). So I made the decision to build a
> > new system so I could take advantage of the cool features of Vista.
> > What a shock when I found Microsoft would not authenticate Vista on my
> > new computer - even though I had salvaged the old computer. It said I
> > could only install on one machine (my old one) and I needed to buy a new
> > copy of Vista for my new machine. The guy said they are really clamping
> > down on piracy.[/color]
>
> Complete and utter BS.
>
> --
> Leythos
> Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum.
> Calling an illegal alien an "undocumented worker" is like calling
> a drug dealer an "unlicensed pharmacist"
> [email]spam999free@rrohio.com[/email] (remove 999 for proper email address)
>[/color]

Frank <fb@nospamm.cmm> wrote in
news:u4GiOaokHHA.492@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl:
[color=blue]
> Doris Day - MFB wrote:
>[color=green]
>>
>> Trying Linux is a little more than booting up a LiveCD and running
>> Firefox. I know, it gave you some sense of accomplishment. But really
>> ... there really is much more to Linux than just that. <snort>
>>
>> Love and Kisses,
>> Doris
>>[/color]
>
> The only distro I ever tried on LiveCD was Xandros 4.0. Otherwise of
> late I've installed Mandriva 2007 Powerpack.
> Over the years I've tried a maybe 8-10 distros, all installed.
> At first it's fun and different, then it becomes like a hobby and
> pretty soon it's a full blown job.[/color]

Just wondering, why did it become a job ? Would they all just stop working
one day ?

"Justin" <None@None.com> wrote in
news:Oi1HTglkHHA.596@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl:
[color=blue]
> "DanS" <t.h.i.s.n.t.h.a.t@a.d.e.l.p.h.i.a.n.e.t> wrote in message >
>[color=green]
>> Many of the people here that have Vista running clean & smoothly on
>> their PC blame people here having problems for 'not doing the proper
>> research[/color]
>
> WRONG! 99% of the time people are blamed for not doing research when
> they come to this NG and "RIP VISTA A NEW ONE" when the plain simple
> fact of the mater is they clearly had poor drivers.
>
> Frank id not RIP LINUX A NEW ONE.
>
> Apples and oranges buddy.[/color]

There might have been a whole lot of rippin' giong on if Frank was a
student, or half of a young couple, or a single parent, and just spent $400
on a full retail copy of 'Ubuntu Ultimate'.

So I guess it is Apples and Oranges, one is free, and one could be a full
weeks pay (or more) for someone else.

"DanS" <t.h.i.s.n.t.h.a.t@a.d.e.l.p.h.i.a.n.e.t> wrote in message
news:Xns992BC104BFB78thisnthatadelphianet@216.196.97.142...[color=blue]
> "Justin" <None@None.com> wrote in
> news:Oi1HTglkHHA.596@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl:
>[color=green]
>> "DanS" <t.h.i.s.n.t.h.a.t@a.d.e.l.p.h.i.a.n.e.t> wrote in message >
>>[color=darkred]
>>> Many of the people here that have Vista running clean & smoothly on
>>> their PC blame people here having problems for 'not doing the proper
>>> research[/color]
>>
>> WRONG! 99% of the time people are blamed for not doing research when
>> they come to this NG and "RIP VISTA A NEW ONE" when the plain simple
>> fact of the mater is they clearly had poor drivers.
>>
>> Frank id not RIP LINUX A NEW ONE.
>>
>> Apples and oranges buddy.[/color]
>
> There might have been a whole lot of rippin' giong on if Frank was a
> student, or half of a young couple, or a single parent, and just spent
> $400
> on a full retail copy of 'Ubuntu Ultimate'.
>
> So I guess it is Apples and Oranges, one is free, and one could be a full
> weeks pay (or more) for someone else.[/color]

Why (when someone desperately needs to attempt to prove a point) do people
only use Ultimate as an example? If someone bought ultimate but could not
afford it then shame on them. Otherwise Vista costs the same as XP.

DanS wrote:
[color=blue]
>
> Just wondering, why did it become a job ? Would they all just stop working
> one day ?[/color]

Proly what happened and is the main reason many try it but few keep it.
Frank

Frank wrote:[color=blue]
> norm wrote:[color=green]
>> Frank wrote:
>>[color=darkred]
>>> norm wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> He may certainly be correct that linux is not for him, but his
>>>> experience (no matter unsuccessful it was) in no way can define
>>>> whether or not linux is for the masses. ymmv.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I believe the usage number for linux desktop is around 7%, high end.
>>> Google linux desktop usage and the numbers (between 4-7%) generally
>>> come up.
>>> 4-7% hardly defines the "masses".
>>> Frank[/color]
>>
>>
>> The statement that "linux is not for the masses" was not qualified one
>> way or another. It was simply appended to the statement of your
>> experience. Your experience, however, is not a defining criteria as
>> to whether linux is for the masses. The percentages you now cite still
>> don't necessarily reflect whether or not linux is for the masses. They
>> only reflect reported or estimated usage. They certainly don't define
>> whether linux is easy or hard to use, or whether or not linux would
>> meet the needs of more than the percentage listed.
>>[/color]
>
> Let the numbers (4-7% desktop usage) speak for themselves.
> The masses have decided, based on percentage of usage, that obviously
> linux is not that easy to use.
> Especially given the fact that linux disrtos are free and the masses
> don't seem all that interested or they (like me) have tried it and have
> no use for it.
> Frank[/color]


The masses like to be controlled. The 4-7% like to control themselves.

"Justin" <None@None.com> wrote in
news:#tMG14okHHA.4596@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl:
[color=blue]
> Why (when someone desperately needs to attempt to prove a point) do
> people only use Ultimate as an example? If someone bought ultimate
> but could not afford it then shame on them. Otherwise Vista costs the
> same as XP.[/color]

Currently, at NewEgg:

Vista Home Premium = $220
XP Home w/SP2 = $190

Vista Home Premium OEM = $112
XP Home w/SP2 OEM = $90

DanS wrote:
[color=blue]
> Frank <fb@nospamm.cmm> wrote in
> news:u4GiOaokHHA.492@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl:
>[color=green]
>> Doris Day - MFB wrote:
>>[color=darkred]
>>>
>>> Trying Linux is a little more than booting up a LiveCD and running
>>> Firefox. I know, it gave you some sense of accomplishment. But really
>>> ... there really is much more to Linux than just that. <snort>
>>>
>>> Love and Kisses,
>>> Doris
>>>[/color]
>>
>> The only distro I ever tried on LiveCD was Xandros 4.0. Otherwise of
>> late I've installed Mandriva 2007 Powerpack.
>> Over the years I've tried a maybe 8-10 distros, all installed.
>> At first it's fun and different, then it becomes like a hobby and
>> pretty soon it's a full blown job.[/color]
>
> Just wondering, why did it become a job ? Would they all just stop working
> one day ?[/color]

Once Frankie decided to move on beyond running a web browser the task became
too daunting. By now you should realize that Frankie is just a disturbed
kid. <snort><fart><snort>

Love and Kisses,
Doris

--
My Microsoft Hero (he loves this company!) ... [url]http://tinyurl.com/yp9cn2[/url]
Title Says It All ... [url]http://tinyurl.com/2ssodl[/url]

If that was an OEM version of Vista, you did an upgrade... you did not built
a new machine.
An OEM version is ONLY good for the original box, it may NEVER be
transferred to a new computer.

--
A Professional Amateur...If anyone knew it all, none of would be here!
[email]CarGodZeroOne********.com[/email]
Change Alpha to Numeric to reply
"Jim" <Jim@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:4A6BE1F9-AEFB-410F-8727-3AC3F9952103@microsoft.com...[color=blue]
> What I am doing is building a new box and am not using any of the
> compoenents
> from the old computer that has Vista on it. I will wipe the hard drive of
> the old box and donate it to Purple Heart. So I will only be using Vista
> on
> one computer - the new one I just built. So where does that leave me.
>
> "Justin" wrote:
>[color=green]
>> "Jim" <Jim@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> news:FE02B19D-5347-4193-AE4B-F5D16C412596@microsoft.com...[color=darkred]
>> > Thanks. I do have the full version and I guess I just need to find the
>> > right
>> > person at Microsoft. I was really disappointed to get my new machine
>> > built
>> > (AMD Dual Core 4400, Geforce 7300GT, 3 gigs of ram, 160 gig HD) install
>> > Vista
>> > try to authenticate and it wouldnt let me. So if what you say is true
>> > its
>> > just a case of finding the right person at Microsoft. I'll try again.[/color]
>>
>> I'm guess there was a miscommunication with the first guy you spoke to.
>>
>> If I understand you correctly, you upgraded your old machine? So you are
>> left with only ONE computer? Not TWO computers right?
>>
>> If you told them you had an old computer and you built a new one he might
>> have mistaken that as you now have TWO computers that you want to install
>> Windows on.
>>
>>[/color][/color]

On Wed, 09 May 2007 15:19:00 -0700, Neotrin2000 wrote:
[color=blue]
> Hmmm I've had nothing but luck in dealing with the activation people.
> I've had to re-do peoples PC before whom already activated Retail Vista
> and a few of them had all new part (except for the HD).
>
> Anyway I was basicly given 3 questions...
>
> 1. Have you activated this copy of Vista before? Answer YES 2. Why
> are you activating this again? Answer: Computer crashed and had to
> build a new one
> 3. Are you running this version of Vista on any other Machines? Answer:
> NOPE just this one.
>
> ...OK here is your activation code.........
>
> Simple as that. At least for me.[/color]

That's my experience too and that's why I said the post was BS from the
OP.

--
Leythos
Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum.
Calling an illegal alien an "undocumented worker" is like calling
a drug dealer an "unlicensed pharmacist"
[email]spam999free@rrohio.com[/email] (remove 999 for proper email address)

caver1 wrote:[color=blue]
> Frank wrote:
>[color=green]
>> norm wrote:
>>[color=darkred]
>>> Frank wrote:
>>>
>>>> norm wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> He may certainly be correct that linux is not for him, but his
>>>>> experience (no matter unsuccessful it was) in no way can define
>>>>> whether or not linux is for the masses. ymmv.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I believe the usage number for linux desktop is around 7%, high end.
>>>> Google linux desktop usage and the numbers (between 4-7%) generally
>>>> come up.
>>>> 4-7% hardly defines the "masses".
>>>> Frank
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The statement that "linux is not for the masses" was not qualified
>>> one way or another. It was simply appended to the statement of your
>>> experience. Your experience, however, is not a defining criteria as
>>> to whether linux is for the masses. The percentages you now cite
>>> still don't necessarily reflect whether or not linux is for the
>>> masses. They only reflect reported or estimated usage. They certainly
>>> don't define whether linux is easy or hard to use, or whether or not
>>> linux would meet the needs of more than the percentage listed.
>>>[/color]
>>
>> Let the numbers (4-7% desktop usage) speak for themselves.
>> The masses have decided, based on percentage of usage, that obviously
>> linux is not that easy to use.
>> Especially given the fact that linux disrtos are free and the masses
>> don't seem all that interested or they (like me) have tried it and
>> have no use for it.
>> Frank[/color]
>
>
>
> The masses like to be controlled. The 4-7% like to control themselves.[/color]

Yeah I can see that by all of the "i need help" postings in the linux ng's.
Literally thousands of them. Proly at least one for each linux loser.
Sure, they're in control...sure they are.
Frank

Frank wrote:[color=blue]
> norm wrote:[color=green]
>> Frank wrote:
>>[color=darkred]
>>> norm wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> He may certainly be correct that linux is not for him, but his
>>>> experience (no matter unsuccessful it was) in no way can define
>>>> whether or not linux is for the masses. ymmv.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I believe the usage number for linux desktop is around 7%, high end.
>>> Google linux desktop usage and the numbers (between 4-7%) generally
>>> come up.
>>> 4-7% hardly defines the "masses".
>>> Frank[/color]
>>
>>
>> The statement that "linux is not for the masses" was not qualified one
>> way or another. It was simply appended to the statement of your
>> experience. Your experience, however, is not a defining criteria as
>> to whether linux is for the masses. The percentages you now cite still
>> don't necessarily reflect whether or not linux is for the masses. They
>> only reflect reported or estimated usage. They certainly don't define
>> whether linux is easy or hard to use, or whether or not linux would
>> meet the needs of more than the percentage listed.
>>[/color]
>
> Let the numbers (4-7% desktop usage) speak for themselves.
> The masses have decided, based on percentage of usage, that obviously
> linux is not that easy to use.
> Especially given the fact that linux disrtos are free and the masses
> don't seem all that interested or they (like me) have tried it and have
> no use for it.
> Frank[/color]

The masses have not spoken or decided anything, as they probably have no
idea that there are viable options other than maybe knowing about apple.
Being available for free is not, in and of itself, of any importance if
no one knows about it in the first place. It is too bad that you gave up
on it so quickly, because doing so does nothing to lend any credence to
your low opinion of it. It is fine that you have no use for it, but
don't pretend that you did any more than kick the tires and then made a
decision on that act only.
--
norm