"Terry" <F1ComNOSPAM@pobox.com> wrote in message
news:uI1a$Y4kHHA.4312@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...[color=blue]
> On 5/10/2007 5:05 PM On a whim, DanS pounded out on the keyboard
>[color=green]
>> "Justin" <None@None.com> wrote in
>> news:O9GtK01kHHA.3512@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl:[color=darkred]
>>> "DanS" <t.h.i.s.n.t.h.a.t@a.d.e.l.p.h.i.a.n.e.t> wrote in message >
>>> I'd say a business with 100 workstations costs $200/seat with
>>> XP/Vista, for
>>>> a total of $20,000.
>>>>
>>>> Those same 100 seats in a linux flavor will run you $0.
>>> First of all, IT costs money. $0 is an impossibility.[/color]
>>
>> I never said it didn't cost money.
>>[color=darkred]
>>> Second, A business has to support those desktops. Ever of something
>>> called centralized management? Yes, the actual OS software costs what
>>> it costs. Now address maintaining the various OS'.[/color]
>>
>> You must think everyone is stupid. You've conveniently again snipped
>> something I said which was.....
>>
>> 'I'd say that $20K not spent on the OS's would go a LONG way in switching
>> over from MS to a Linux environment. It would probably end up being a
>> wash.'
>>
>> So fine, let's cut that to $10K. There's a $10K head start in the
>> transitioning fund.
>>
>> And if your paying someone to maintain an MS network, you could just as
>> well pay a Linux administrator instead.
>>
>> I never said it was a simple venture either. Here's a decent article that
>> looks at some of the un-thought-of sides of it.
>>
>> [url]http://www.infoworld.com/infoworld/article/03/08/29/34FElinux_1.html[/url]
>>
>>[/color]
>
> Dan,
>
> Justin knows everything. Let him believe that and the world (at least
> this ng) will be at peace.
>
> Let's see...he started out saying he "moved" a couple workstations to
> Vista. Then he had "20 Mac's" upstairs, now he has 300+ users. His
> business is growing too fast for all of us...[/color]

You're about as ignorant as adam. That's ok, I know you need to hold on to
such theories to feel better about yourself.

We now have two more Macs. Can you do the math?

"Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message
news:02o743l8th0jeilirqjt10nchfbg0nen5e@4ax.com...[color=blue]
> On Thu, 10 May 2007 16:38:51 -0700, "Justin" <None@None.com> wrote:
>[color=green]
>>"DanS" <t.h.i.s.n.t.h.a.t@a.d.e.l.p.h.i.a.n.e.t> wrote in message > I'd
>>say[/color]
>[color=green][color=darkred]
>>> I'd say that $20K not spent on the OS's would go a LONG way in switching
>>> over from MS to a Linux environment. It would probably end up being a
>>> wash.[/color]
>>
>>Where do you come up with these BS numbers? I have 300+ machines and pay
>>just over that.[/color]
>
> You don't have anything but some wild imaginaiton. You have less
> creditability then George Bush.[/color]

Ok. Good for you.

"DanS" <t.h.i.s.n.t.h.a.t@a.d.e.l.p.h.i.a.n.e.t> wrote in message
news:Xns992CE863C955Dthisnthatadelphianet@216.196.97.142...[color=blue]
> "Justin" <None@None.com> wrote in
> news:e$GKWJ2kHHA.3928@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl:
>[color=green]
>> "Justin" <None@None.com> wrote in message
>> news:O9GtK01kHHA.3512@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...[color=darkred]
>>>> I'd say that $20K not spent on the OS's would go a LONG way in
>>>> switching over from MS to a Linux environment. It would probably end
>>>> up being a wash.[/color]
>>
>> @dans, care to explain how I snipped this out? I even commented on
>> it:
>>[color=darkred]
>>> Where do you come up with these BS numbers? I have 300+ machines and
>>> pay just over that.[/color]
>>
>>
>> Then you commented on my comment. Talk about being lost! Your worse
>> then alias!
>>
>>[/color]
>
> Oh please, it was not taken out of context, and I was even conceding half
> of my amount to you, isn't that enough ?[/color]

No, it's not. You screwed up and THOUGHT I snipped something then made a
smarta$$ comment about it.

Ridiculous conversations.

"Alias" <aka@aka.cl> wrote in message news:f20ji8$2ud$2@aioe.org...[color=blue]
> Justin wrote:[color=green]
>> "Richard Urban" <richardurbanREMOVETHIS********.com> wrote in message
>> news:u8Jb31ykHHA.4848@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...[color=darkred]
>>>> I fail to understand why people don't mind being accused of being a
>>>> pirate until they prove otherwise. Please explain why this doesn't
>>>> bother you. Jim has nothing to do with it. He is just an example.
>>>>
>>>> Alias
>>>
>>>
>>> Maybe because they KNOW they aren't, and are not afraid to prove so.[/color]
>>
>> Or maybe other people (the majority) do not share alias' ignorant opinion
>> on being called a thief. Maybe they understand that in order to use a
>> software devs product you need to follow their rules. Be it online
>> activation or serial number or dongle or...
>>
>> I only see two people ranting about MS calling them a thief.[/color]
>
> I guess you'll never learn.[/color]

You mean learn how to enjoy Vista without acting like a complete maniac such
as yourself? I already have and DO!

"Alias" <aka@aka.cl> wrote in message news:f20jlh$2ud$3@aioe.org...[color=blue]
> Justin wrote:[color=green]
>> "Alias" <alsoknownas@maskedandanonymous.ru> wrote in message
>> news:ujeuvbykHHA.2272@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...[color=darkred]
>>> Justin wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> alias is not capable of understanding this. He has it stuck in his
>>>> head that THIEF is being shouted and he'll never kill that notion in
>>>> his tiny little head.
>>>>
>>>> By his theory alone, having to input a serial number would be the
>>>> software company calling him a thief. Or the use of a dongle is there
>>>> way of not trusting him.
>>>>
>>>> He's just an idiot. No more, no less.
>>>
>>> Another idiot who doesn't mind being accused of piracy until he proves
>>> otherwise.[/color]
>>
>> Well, unlike you I think for myself.[/color]
>
> LOL! Good one, Justin.[/color]

Thanks!
[color=blue]
> MS says jump through yet another you are a pirate until you prove
> otherwise hoop[/color]

I never heard them say anything.
[color=blue]
> and you ask "how high?"[/color]

I never jumped through a hoop and neither did the average person.

Your claims are unfounded and you have no clue as to what you are talking
about.

Justin wrote:[color=blue]
>
>
> "Alias" <aka@aka.cl> wrote in message news:f20ji8$2ud$2@aioe.org...[color=green]
>> Justin wrote:[color=darkred]
>>> "Richard Urban" <richardurbanREMOVETHIS********.com> wrote in message
>>> news:u8Jb31ykHHA.4848@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>>>> I fail to understand why people don't mind being accused of being a
>>>>> pirate until they prove otherwise. Please explain why this doesn't
>>>>> bother you. Jim has nothing to do with it. He is just an example.
>>>>>
>>>>> Alias
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Maybe because they KNOW they aren't, and are not afraid to prove so.
>>>
>>> Or maybe other people (the majority) do not share alias' ignorant
>>> opinion on being called a thief. Maybe they understand that in order
>>> to use a software devs product you need to follow their rules. Be it
>>> online activation or serial number or dongle or...
>>>
>>> I only see two people ranting about MS calling them a thief.[/color]
>>
>> I guess you'll never learn.[/color]
>
> You mean learn how to enjoy Vista without acting like a complete maniac
> such as yourself? I already have and DO![/color]

No, that's not what I meant.

Alias

Justin wrote:[color=blue]
> "Alias" <aka@aka.cl> wrote in message news:f20jlh$2ud$3@aioe.org...[color=green]
>> Justin wrote:[color=darkred]
>>> "Alias" <alsoknownas@maskedandanonymous.ru> wrote in message
>>> news:ujeuvbykHHA.2272@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>>> Justin wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> alias is not capable of understanding this. He has it stuck in his
>>>>> head that THIEF is being shouted and he'll never kill that notion
>>>>> in his tiny little head.
>>>>>
>>>>> By his theory alone, having to input a serial number would be the
>>>>> software company calling him a thief. Or the use of a dongle is
>>>>> there way of not trusting him.
>>>>>
>>>>> He's just an idiot. No more, no less.
>>>>
>>>> Another idiot who doesn't mind being accused of piracy until he
>>>> proves otherwise.
>>>
>>> Well, unlike you I think for myself.[/color]
>>
>> LOL! Good one, Justin.[/color]
>
> Thanks!
>[color=green]
>> MS says jump through yet another you are a pirate until you prove
>> otherwise hoop[/color]
>
> I never heard them say anything.
>[color=green]
>> and you ask "how high?"[/color]
>
> I never jumped through a hoop and neither did the average person.
>
> Your claims are unfounded and you have no clue as to what you are
> talking about.[/color]

First hoop: WPA

Second hoop: WGA

Third hoop, being as you're using Vista: SPP

Fourth hoop, again, being as you're using Vista: DRM.

Have a nice day MS hoop jumper.

Alias

Terry <F1ComNOSPAM@pobox.com> wrote in
news:uI1a$Y4kHHA.4312@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl:
[color=blue]
> Dan,
>
> Justin knows everything. Let him believe that and the world (at least
> this ng) will be at peace.[/color]

Yes, well, it's hard to resist......

"Alias" <aka@notthereorhere.cn> wrote in message
news:f21i9j$l4d$2@aioe.org...[color=blue]
> Justin wrote:[color=green]
>> "Alias" <aka@aka.cl> wrote in message news:f20jlh$2ud$3@aioe.org...[color=darkred]
>>> Justin wrote:
>>>> "Alias" <alsoknownas@maskedandanonymous.ru> wrote in message
>>>> news:ujeuvbykHHA.2272@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>>>> Justin wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> alias is not capable of understanding this. He has it stuck in his
>>>>>> head that THIEF is being shouted and he'll never kill that notion in
>>>>>> his tiny little head.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> By his theory alone, having to input a serial number would be the
>>>>>> software company calling him a thief. Or the use of a dongle is
>>>>>> there way of not trusting him.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> He's just an idiot. No more, no less.
>>>>>
>>>>> Another idiot who doesn't mind being accused of piracy until he proves
>>>>> otherwise.
>>>>
>>>> Well, unlike you I think for myself.
>>>
>>> LOL! Good one, Justin.[/color]
>>
>> Thanks!
>>[color=darkred]
>>> MS says jump through yet another you are a pirate until you prove
>>> otherwise hoop[/color]
>>
>> I never heard them say anything.
>>[color=darkred]
>>> and you ask "how high?"[/color]
>>
>> I never jumped through a hoop and neither did the average person.
>>
>> Your claims are unfounded and you have no clue as to what you are talking
>> about.[/color]
>
> First hoop: WPA[/color]

I know what your TRYING to say but it's all BS. This was not a hoop that I
had to jump through. I've had to do nothing because of this.
[color=blue]
> Second hoop: WGA[/color]

I know what your TRYING to say but it's all BS. This was not a hoop that I
had to jump through. I've had to do nothing because of this.
[color=blue]
> Third hoop, being as you're using Vista: SPP[/color]

I know what your TRYING to say but it's all BS. This was not a hoop that I
had to jump through. I've had to do nothing because of this.

[color=blue]
> Fourth hoop, again, being as you're using Vista: DRM.[/color]

I know what your TRYING to say but it's all BS. This was not a hoop that I
had to jump through. I've had to do nothing because of this.

[color=blue]
> Have a nice day MS hoop jumper.[/color]

What hoop? I turn on my machine and it works. I'm able to do anything I
want, when I want. No restrictions.

Justin wrote:[color=blue]
> "Alias" <aka@notthereorhere.cn> wrote in message
> news:f21i9j$l4d$2@aioe.org...[color=green]
>> Justin wrote:[color=darkred]
>>> "Alias" <aka@aka.cl> wrote in message news:f20jlh$2ud$3@aioe.org...
>>>> Justin wrote:
>>>>> "Alias" <alsoknownas@maskedandanonymous.ru> wrote in message
>>>>> news:ujeuvbykHHA.2272@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>>>>> Justin wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> alias is not capable of understanding this. He has it stuck in
>>>>>>> his head that THIEF is being shouted and he'll never kill that
>>>>>>> notion in his tiny little head.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> By his theory alone, having to input a serial number would be the
>>>>>>> software company calling him a thief. Or the use of a dongle is
>>>>>>> there way of not trusting him.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> He's just an idiot. No more, no less.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Another idiot who doesn't mind being accused of piracy until he
>>>>>> proves otherwise.
>>>>>
>>>>> Well, unlike you I think for myself.
>>>>
>>>> LOL! Good one, Justin.
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>>
>>>> MS says jump through yet another you are a pirate until you prove
>>>> otherwise hoop
>>>
>>> I never heard them say anything.
>>>
>>>> and you ask "how high?"
>>>
>>> I never jumped through a hoop and neither did the average person.
>>>
>>> Your claims are unfounded and you have no clue as to what you are
>>> talking about.[/color]
>>
>> First hoop: WPA[/color]
>
> I know what your TRYING to say but it's all BS. This was not a hoop
> that I had to jump through. I've had to do nothing because of this.[/color]

You've had to activate.
[color=blue]
>[color=green]
>> Second hoop: WGA[/color]
>
> I know what your TRYING to say but it's all BS. This was not a hoop
> that I had to jump through. I've had to do nothing because of this.[/color]

You've had to prove your copy of Vista is genuine.
[color=blue]
>[color=green]
>> Third hoop, being as you're using Vista: SPP[/color]
>
> I know what your TRYING to say but it's all BS. This was not a hoop
> that I had to jump through. I've had to do nothing because of this.[/color]

Not really sure about how SPP works. Can you enlighten me?
[color=blue]
>
>[color=green]
>> Fourth hoop, again, being as you're using Vista: DRM.[/color]
>
> I know what your TRYING to say but it's all BS. This was not a hoop
> that I had to jump through. I've had to do nothing because of this.[/color]

Try burning a CD and then emailing the MP3 to a friend.
[color=blue]
>
>[color=green]
>> Have a nice day MS hoop jumper.[/color]
>
> What hoop? I turn on my machine and it works. I'm able to do anything
> I want, when I want. No restrictions.[/color]

Sure. Change your NIC three times and see what happens.

Alias

"Justin" <None@None.com> wrote in
news:exEvkbrkHHA.208@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl:
[color=blue]
> I use linux server for application servers/appliances. I am an avid
> linux desktop hater. Every time I try to give linux desktop an honest
> go I become greatly disappointed in it. If fails me every time.[/color]

I don't believe you use a Linux server package for application servers and
appliances.

As _everyone_ knows, because you told us just yesterday, "The cost to
run/manage linux is MUCH MUCH MUCH more expensive."

How you can successfully run Linux servers and NOT a desktop Linux is far
beyond comprehension, akin to being able to configure and manage MS servers
and not be able to use XP/98/Win2K Pro.

"DanS" <t.h.i.s.n.t.h.a.t@a.d.e.l.p.h.i.a.n.e.t> wrote in message
news:Xns992D87A1E78E6thisnthatadelphianet@216.196.97.142...[color=blue]
> I don't believe you use a Linux server package for application servers and
> appliances.
> As _everyone_ knows, because you told us just yesterday, "The cost to
> run/manage linux is MUCH MUCH MUCH more expensive."[/color]

You're an idiot and you prove time and time again that you simply do NOT
understand what you read.

That conversation was about linux DESKTOP.

You do know the difference between a workstation and a server right?
Actually, I don't think you do. I think you know squat seeing as how you
tried to pawn off a THIN CLIENT article as a DESKTOP article.

How about you just give up?
[color=blue]
> How you can successfully run Linux servers and NOT a desktop Linux[/color]

Oh, so you did pickup on the desktop part. That doesn't explain your
nonsense above. So you really can't figure this out? Are you serious? A
handleful of servers versus over 300 windows desktops. ???? Are you really
this stupid?

The servers we have that run linux, do so for very specific reasons. Some,
we had no choice. They simply come that way. We're able to weight the good
and bad and in server level environments linux shines in a couple areas.
You're just going to have to deal with that theory.

[color=blue]
> is far
> beyond comprehension,[/color]

Most things are for you aren't they?
[color=blue]
> akin to being able to configure and manage MS servers
> and not be able to use XP/98/Win2K Pro.[/color]

akin to able and not able? Confused aren't you?

Justin wrote:[color=blue]
> "DanS" <t.h.i.s.n.t.h.a.t@a.d.e.l.p.h.i.a.n.e.t> wrote in message
> news:Xns992D87A1E78E6thisnthatadelphianet@216.196.97.142...[color=green]
>> I don't believe you use a Linux server package for application servers
>> and
>> appliances.
>> As _everyone_ knows, because you told us just yesterday, "The cost to
>> run/manage linux is MUCH MUCH MUCH more expensive."[/color]
>
> You're an idiot and you prove time and time again that you simply do NOT
> understand what you read.
>
> That conversation was about linux DESKTOP.
>
> You do know the difference between a workstation and a server right?
> Actually, I don't think you do. I think you know squat seeing as how
> you tried to pawn off a THIN CLIENT article as a DESKTOP article.
>
> How about you just give up?
>[color=green]
>> How you can successfully run Linux servers and NOT a desktop Linux[/color]
>
> Oh, so you did pickup on the desktop part. That doesn't explain your
> nonsense above. So you really can't figure this out? Are you serious?
> A handleful of servers versus over 300 windows desktops. ???? Are you
> really this stupid?
>
> The servers we have that run linux, do so for very specific reasons.
> Some, we had no choice. They simply come that way. We're able to
> weight the good and bad and in server level environments linux shines in
> a couple areas. You're just going to have to deal with that theory.
>
>[color=green]
>> is far
>> beyond comprehension,[/color]
>
> Most things are for you aren't they?
>[color=green]
>> akin to being able to configure and manage MS servers
>> and not be able to use XP/98/Win2K Pro.[/color]
>
> akin to able and not able? Confused aren't you?[/color]

Oy vey.

Alias

"Alias" <aka@notthereorhere.cn> wrote in message
news:f225ip$cks$3@aioe.org...[color=blue][color=green][color=darkred]
>>>> Your claims are unfounded and you have no clue as to what you are
>>>> talking about.
>>>
>>> First hoop: WPA[/color]
>>
>> I know what your TRYING to say but it's all BS. This was not a hoop that
>> I had to jump through. I've had to do nothing because of this.[/color]
>
> You've had to activate.[/color]

No I didn't. 100% seamless. I never had to do anything. Many applications
need to be activated. Yet you only cry about MS. Hum....
[color=blue]
>[color=green]
>>[color=darkred]
>>> Second hoop: WGA[/color]
>>
>> I know what your TRYING to say but it's all BS. This was not a hoop that
>> I had to jump through. I've had to do nothing because of this.[/color]
>
> You've had to prove your copy of Vista is genuine.[/color]

Wrong again! It’s called installation and registration. No different then
plugging in a serial# and it checking the internet that it’s valid. Only
thieving pieces of crap need to worry about it. Which leads us to wonder
why you worry about it???????
[color=blue][color=green]
>>[color=darkred]
>>> Third hoop, being as you're using Vista: SPP[/color]
>>
>> I know what your TRYING to say but it's all BS. This was not a hoop that
>> I had to jump through. I've had to do nothing because of this.[/color]
>
> Not really sure about how SPP works. Can you enlighten me?[/color]

Why the hell would I do that? Change your headers and your name and ask.
However it's good to know that ATTEMPT to discuss things of which you know
nothing about. Good one!

[color=blue][color=green][color=darkred]
>>> Fourth hoop, again, being as you're using Vista: DRM.[/color]
>>
>> I know what your TRYING to say but it's all BS. This was not a hoop that
>> I had to jump through. I've had to do nothing because of this.[/color]
>
> Try burning a CD and then emailing the MP3 to a friend.[/color]

That doesn't make any sense. You want me to burn an MP3 to a CD then do
what with the CD? Then go back to the MP3 and email it?

Or did you want me to burn the MP3 to a CD then turn around and make an MP3
from the new CD?

I can tell you right now that I can do all of that. I've burned many CDs as
I travel often and I have no problem emailing anyone anything.

[color=blue][color=green][color=darkred]
>>> Have a nice day MS hoop jumper.[/color]
>>
>> What hoop? I turn on my machine and it works. I'm able to do anything I
>> want, when I want. No restrictions.[/color]
>
> Sure. Change your NIC three times and see what happens.[/color]

Change the physical NIC? Swap out the card with something else?

1. All my NICs are built-in it so that's not even possible.

2. Why the hell would anyone do that? You buy such cheap crap that it
breaks on you that often?

"Justin" <None@None.com> wrote in
news:uXPi3M$kHHA.4628@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl:
[color=blue]
> "DanS" <t.h.i.s.n.t.h.a.t@a.d.e.l.p.h.i.a.n.e.t> wrote in message
> news:Xns992D87A1E78E6thisnthatadelphianet@216.196.97.142...[color=green]
>> I don't believe you use a Linux server package for application
>> servers and appliances.
>> As _everyone_ knows, because you told us just yesterday, "The cost to
>> run/manage linux is MUCH MUCH MUCH more expensive."[/color]
>
> You're an idiot and you prove time and time again that you simply do
> NOT understand what you read.[/color]

You prove time and time again you can not say anything at all w/o
insulting people.
[color=blue]
>
> That conversation was about linux DESKTOP.
>
> You do know the difference between a workstation and a server right?
> Actually, I don't think you do. I think you know squat seeing as how
> you tried to pawn off a THIN CLIENT article as a DESKTOP article.[/color]

Look, you making gross generalizations about subjects, and then picking
out specific details later on to disprove eveything is getting old.
[color=blue]
> How about you just give up?
>[color=green]
>> How you can successfully run Linux servers and NOT a desktop Linux[/color]
>
> Oh, so you did pickup on the desktop part. That doesn't explain your
> nonsense above. So you really can't figure this out? Are you
> serious? A handleful of servers versus over 300 windows desktops.
> ???? Are you really this stupid?
>
> The servers we have that run linux, do so for very specific reasons.
> Some, we had no choice. They simply come that way. We're able to
> weight the good and bad and in server level environments linux shines
> in a couple areas. You're just going to have to deal with that theory.[/color]

No theory, it's a fact, and you have found that Linux does shine in some
areas. As MS may shine in certain areas as well.
[color=blue][color=green]
>> is far
>> beyond comprehension,[/color]
>
> Most things are for you aren't they?
>[color=green]
>> akin to being able to configure and manage MS servers
>> and not be able to use XP/98/Win2K Pro.[/color]
>
> akin to able and not able? Confused aren't you?[/color]

No you are confused and obviously didn't comprehend the use of the word
akin in the FULL sentence, that you improperly snipped....(again)...

"How you can successfully run Linux servers and NOT a desktop Linux is
far beyond comprehension, akin to being able to configure and manage MS
servers and not be able to use XP/98/Win2K Pro."

It was an improper snip because the entire context of the sentence is
unclear without seeing the first part before the comma.

The use of 'akin' above is to show a relation between the first part of
the sentence and the second part., which, when viewed in full, can be
completely understood by 99% of 5th graders.

(Of course now when you ask me where I came up with my 99% number, I'll
just have to say that 'I just pulled it out of my Justin !')