I don't know what you mean by "Upgrade first and have the option of a full
clean install."

If you are running XP Home you can do an upgrade to Vista Home Premium.

If you are running XP Pro the upgrade option will be disabled and you will
have to do a custom install for VHP.

There is no "clean" option in Vista Setup. There is only "upgrade" and
"custom."

If you want to do a clean installation of VHP you need to boot with the dvd
and use the Advanced Options to format the drive.

The custom install option within Setup does not reformat a volume. It will
only do a quick format if the volume has not been formatted previously with
NTFS.


"Louis 13" <lous13@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:umW9sXmJHHA.4000@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...[color=blue]
> After the purchase of Vista Home Premium Full Version.
> 1-Can I upgrade from Windows XP ?
> 2-Upgrade first and have the option of a full clean install.
>[/color]

That's good to hear! And good to hear that, other than the Windows Media
Player product team, Microsoft really does respond to user feedback!

Dale

"Colin Barnhorst" <colinbarharst@msn.com> wrote in message
news:%23iYCj2qJHHA.3268@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...[color=blue]
> The one-transfer rule concerning Vista was rescinded about three months
> ago in a bulletin issued by MS. The bulletin acknowledged that
> technology enthusiasts transfer Windows many times and noted that user
> input had led to the decision to lift the one-transfer rule.
>
> "Dale" <nospam@nospam.ever> wrote in message
> news:%23LchXNqJHHA.3936@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...[color=green]
>> If it is not forced in the process, it is certainly the intent of the
>> upgrade license. Of course, if you install Vista on a PC that had an OEM
>> license of XP, they're tied, in effect, anyway. The OEM license of XP
>> can't be transferred to another PC, and the Vista license, once
>> installed, can only be transferred once.
>>
>> Dale[/color]
>[/color]

The 6 years of monthly patches has created a ton of unused code to be all
over your XP system. In the dozen or so machines I monitor generally a clean
XP install has just over 1G in the Windows directory. After a few years of
operation this grows to 6 - 8G mainly because the security updates don't
clean up very well leaving a rollback and lots of other junk that is never
executed. I regularly reformat and reinstall everything just to keep the
system running faster. Generally after a reformat and reinstall I am seeing
1/2 to 1/3 the boot and shut down times I was seeing with a "used"
installation.

When you do a VISTA upgrade it can take much longer than a clean install. I
have not tried in the RTM build but earlier builds would take around 20
minutes for a clean install and 4 - 6 hours for an upgrade. Also you need
around 10 -15 G to do an upgrade. You and also do a dual boot and use the
migration tools to move settings and applications form the other
installation. Also you can move settings and applications form another
system running XP which is a nice feature.

As I pointed out in the first paragraph you can reformat and reinstall and
generally you will see increased performance. Microsoft should provide a
tool to decrement and increment the activation as you uninstall and
reinstall so that you don't run into reactivation issues when you reinstall.
I have never had any problems when the activation failed to automatically
activate and I had to call Microsoft and explain that I am just reinstalling
everything on the same machine or I have changed enough hardware to trigger
a new activation. They had intended to limit the number of reinstalls but
they backed down and revised the EULA to allow reinstalling and moving to
other machines. That does not mean that activation will work automatically
every time you try but as I said I have reformatted and reinstalled many
systems and many Microsoft applications that require activation. Even when
the activation fails Microsoft will activate over the phone and my
experience has been that after a phone activation you get several automatic
activations before you have to phone again.

Bill Walter

"Louis 13" <lous13@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:umW9sXmJHHA.4000@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...[color=blue]
> After the purchase of Vista Home Premium Full Version.
> 1-Can I upgrade from Windows XP ?
> 2-Upgrade first and have the option of a full clean install.
>[/color]

The 6 years of monthly patches has created a ton of unused code to be all
over your XP system. In the dozen or so machines I monitor generally a clean
XP install has just over 1G in the Windows directory. After a few years of
operation this grows to 6 - 8G mainly because the security updates don't
clean up very well leaving a rollback and lots of other junk that is never
executed. I regularly reformat and reinstall everything just to keep the
system running faster. Generally after a reformat and reinstall I am seeing
1/2 to 1/3 the boot and shut down times I was seeing with a "used"
installation.

When you do a VISTA upgrade it can take much longer than a clean install. I
have not tried in the RTM build but earlier builds would take around 20
minutes for a clean install and 4 - 6 hours for an upgrade. Also you need
around 10 -15 G to do an upgrade. You and also do a dual boot and use the
migration tools to move settings and applications form the other
installation. Also you can move settings and applications form another
system running XP which is a nice feature.

As I pointed out in the first paragraph you can reformat and reinstall and
generally you will see increased performance. Microsoft should provide a
tool to decrement and increment the activation as you uninstall and
reinstall so that you don't run into reactivation issues when you reinstall.
I have never had any problems when the activation failed to automatically
activate and I had to call Microsoft and explain that I am just reinstalling
everything on the same machine or I have changed enough hardware to trigger
a new activation. They had intended to limit the number of reinstalls but
they backed down and revised the EULA to allow reinstalling and moving to
other machines. That does not mean that activation will work automatically
every time you try but as I said I have reformatted and reinstalled many
systems and many Microsoft applications that require activation. Even when
the activation fails Microsoft will activate over the phone and my
experience has been that after a phone activation you get several automatic
activations before you have to phone again.

Bill Walter

"Louis 13" <lous13@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:umW9sXmJHHA.4000@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...[color=blue]
> After the purchase of Vista Home Premium Full Version.
> 1-Can I upgrade from Windows XP ?
> 2-Upgrade first and have the option of a full clean install.
>[/color]

Since you are talking about a full edition, you can try an upgrade as Colin
said from Home not Pro, and if you are unhappy with the results you can do a
clean install from the DVD but the format will be a quick format of any
previous NTFS volume.
Personally I have had no luck with the upgrades during beta period, but
there is the advantage of not having to reinstall all your programs (trying
to find all the downloads and CD's) if it works.

"Louis 13" <lous13@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:umW9sXmJHHA.4000@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...[color=blue]
> After the purchase of Vista Home Premium Full Version.
> 1-Can I upgrade from Windows XP ?
> 2-Upgrade first and have the option of a full clean install.
>[/color]

Since you are talking about a full edition, you can try an upgrade as Colin
said from Home not Pro, and if you are unhappy with the results you can do a
clean install from the DVD but the format will be a quick format of any
previous NTFS volume.
Personally I have had no luck with the upgrades during beta period, but
there is the advantage of not having to reinstall all your programs (trying
to find all the downloads and CD's) if it works.

"Louis 13" <lous13@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:umW9sXmJHHA.4000@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...[color=blue]
> After the purchase of Vista Home Premium Full Version.
> 1-Can I upgrade from Windows XP ?
> 2-Upgrade first and have the option of a full clean install.
>[/color]

If the poster boots from the dvd and chooses a custom installation, he will
not get a format, even a quick format, unless he first chooses format from
the Advanced Options. If he wants a full format, he needs to do that before
entering Setup. Just clarifying because all the stuff we leaned doing XP
setups has changed.

"John Barnes" <jbarnes@email.net> wrote in message
news:eLHUMLuJHHA.780@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...[color=blue]
> Since you are talking about a full edition, you can try an upgrade as
> Colin said from Home not Pro, and if you are unhappy with the results you
> can do a clean install from the DVD but the format will be a quick format
> of any previous NTFS volume.
> Personally I have had no luck with the upgrades during beta period, but
> there is the advantage of not having to reinstall all your programs
> (trying to find all the downloads and CD's) if it works.
>
> "Louis 13" <lous13@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> news:umW9sXmJHHA.4000@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...[color=green]
>> After the purchase of Vista Home Premium Full Version.
>> 1-Can I upgrade from Windows XP ?
>> 2-Upgrade first and have the option of a full clean install.
>>[/color]
>[/color]

If the poster boots from the dvd and chooses a custom installation, he will
not get a format, even a quick format, unless he first chooses format from
the Advanced Options. If he wants a full format, he needs to do that before
entering Setup. Just clarifying because all the stuff we leaned doing XP
setups has changed.

"John Barnes" <jbarnes@email.net> wrote in message
news:eLHUMLuJHHA.780@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...[color=blue]
> Since you are talking about a full edition, you can try an upgrade as
> Colin said from Home not Pro, and if you are unhappy with the results you
> can do a clean install from the DVD but the format will be a quick format
> of any previous NTFS volume.
> Personally I have had no luck with the upgrades during beta period, but
> there is the advantage of not having to reinstall all your programs
> (trying to find all the downloads and CD's) if it works.
>
> "Louis 13" <lous13@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> news:umW9sXmJHHA.4000@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...[color=green]
>> After the purchase of Vista Home Premium Full Version.
>> 1-Can I upgrade from Windows XP ?
>> 2-Upgrade first and have the option of a full clean install.
>>[/color]
>[/color]

Agreed. Neither XP nor Vista do an automatic format, but Vista's option is
harder to find (in advanced options) for those wishing to do a format, and
only quick format is done on an NTFS volume.

"Colin Barnhorst" <colinbarharst@msn.com> wrote in message
news:OHRpIUvJHHA.1240@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...[color=blue]
> If the poster boots from the dvd and chooses a custom installation, he
> will not get a format, even a quick format, unless he first chooses format
> from the Advanced Options. If he wants a full format, he needs to do that
> before entering Setup. Just clarifying because all the stuff we leaned
> doing XP setups has changed.
>
> "John Barnes" <jbarnes@email.net> wrote in message
> news:eLHUMLuJHHA.780@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...[color=green]
>> Since you are talking about a full edition, you can try an upgrade as
>> Colin said from Home not Pro, and if you are unhappy with the results you
>> can do a clean install from the DVD but the format will be a quick format
>> of any previous NTFS volume.
>> Personally I have had no luck with the upgrades during beta period, but
>> there is the advantage of not having to reinstall all your programs
>> (trying to find all the downloads and CD's) if it works.
>>
>> "Louis 13" <lous13@earthlink.net> wrote in message
>> news:umW9sXmJHHA.4000@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...[color=darkred]
>>> After the purchase of Vista Home Premium Full Version.
>>> 1-Can I upgrade from Windows XP ?
>>> 2-Upgrade first and have the option of a full clean install.
>>>[/color]
>>[/color]
>[/color]

Agreed. Neither XP nor Vista do an automatic format, but Vista's option is
harder to find (in advanced options) for those wishing to do a format, and
only quick format is done on an NTFS volume.

"Colin Barnhorst" <colinbarharst@msn.com> wrote in message
news:OHRpIUvJHHA.1240@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...[color=blue]
> If the poster boots from the dvd and chooses a custom installation, he
> will not get a format, even a quick format, unless he first chooses format
> from the Advanced Options. If he wants a full format, he needs to do that
> before entering Setup. Just clarifying because all the stuff we leaned
> doing XP setups has changed.
>
> "John Barnes" <jbarnes@email.net> wrote in message
> news:eLHUMLuJHHA.780@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...[color=green]
>> Since you are talking about a full edition, you can try an upgrade as
>> Colin said from Home not Pro, and if you are unhappy with the results you
>> can do a clean install from the DVD but the format will be a quick format
>> of any previous NTFS volume.
>> Personally I have had no luck with the upgrades during beta period, but
>> there is the advantage of not having to reinstall all your programs
>> (trying to find all the downloads and CD's) if it works.
>>
>> "Louis 13" <lous13@earthlink.net> wrote in message
>> news:umW9sXmJHHA.4000@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...[color=darkred]
>>> After the purchase of Vista Home Premium Full Version.
>>> 1-Can I upgrade from Windows XP ?
>>> 2-Upgrade first and have the option of a full clean install.
>>>[/color]
>>[/color]
>[/color]

Sky King wrote:[color=blue]
>
>
> In news:ADE44CB2-93CC-46E0-A881-7D50802560FF@microsoft.com,
> David Wright <DavidWright@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:[color=green]
>> If you have the full version, then I would suggest keeping Vista and
>> XP separate. AFAIK, if you upgrade XP to Vista, then the XP and Vista
>> become locked together, meaning that you couldn't then take the XP
>> disc and install it on another machine. ...[/color]
>
> Correct, David.[/color]

Actually that is wrong. With the FULL version copy you can upgrade an
XP install and then reinstall XP on another machine. The Vista upgrade
WILL NOT invalidate the XP license. However with an UPGRADE copy it
does so once you upgrade XP then you will not be able to reinstall XP on
another machine. They will become locked in that case.

Sky King wrote:[color=blue]
>
>
> In news:ADE44CB2-93CC-46E0-A881-7D50802560FF@microsoft.com,
> David Wright <DavidWright@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:[color=green]
>> If you have the full version, then I would suggest keeping Vista and
>> XP separate. AFAIK, if you upgrade XP to Vista, then the XP and Vista
>> become locked together, meaning that you couldn't then take the XP
>> disc and install it on another machine. ...[/color]
>
> Correct, David.[/color]

Actually that is wrong. With the FULL version copy you can upgrade an
XP install and then reinstall XP on another machine. The Vista upgrade
WILL NOT invalidate the XP license. However with an UPGRADE copy it
does so once you upgrade XP then you will not be able to reinstall XP on
another machine. They will become locked in that case.

Not with a full edition of Vista. You are confusing "upgrade edition" with
"upgrade" functionality.

"Sky King" <skyking@nospammvps.org> wrote in message
news:evvB0oqJHHA.4244@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...[color=blue]
>
>
> In news:ADE44CB2-93CC-46E0-A881-7D50802560FF@microsoft.com,
> David Wright <DavidWright@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:[color=green]
>> If you have the full version, then I would suggest keeping Vista and
>> XP separate. AFAIK, if you upgrade XP to Vista, then the XP and Vista
>> become locked together, meaning that you couldn't then take the XP
>> disc and install it on another machine. ...[/color]
>
> Correct, David.
> --
>
> ...Sky
>
> Tom "Sky" King
> ===========
>[/color]

Not with a full edition of Vista. You are confusing "upgrade edition" with
"upgrade" functionality.

"Sky King" <skyking@nospammvps.org> wrote in message
news:evvB0oqJHHA.4244@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...[color=blue]
>
>
> In news:ADE44CB2-93CC-46E0-A881-7D50802560FF@microsoft.com,
> David Wright <DavidWright@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:[color=green]
>> If you have the full version, then I would suggest keeping Vista and
>> XP separate. AFAIK, if you upgrade XP to Vista, then the XP and Vista
>> become locked together, meaning that you couldn't then take the XP
>> disc and install it on another machine. ...[/color]
>
> Correct, David.
> --
>
> ...Sky
>
> Tom "Sky" King
> ===========
>[/color]

I think that is what Pendell just said...

--
/* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
* Robert Firth *
* Windows Vista x86 RTM *
* [url]http://www.WinVistaInfo.org[/url] *
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * */

"Colin Barnhorst" <colinbarharst@msn.com> wrote in message
news:AF19FD97-F442-4A60-B10A-1A9680751C3B@microsoft.com...[color=blue]
> Not with a full edition of Vista. You are confusing "upgrade edition"
> with "upgrade" functionality.
>
> "Sky King" <skyking@nospammvps.org> wrote in message
> news:evvB0oqJHHA.4244@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...[color=green]
>>
>>
>> In news:ADE44CB2-93CC-46E0-A881-7D50802560FF@microsoft.com,
>> David Wright <DavidWright@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:[color=darkred]
>>> If you have the full version, then I would suggest keeping Vista and
>>> XP separate. AFAIK, if you upgrade XP to Vista, then the XP and Vista
>>> become locked together, meaning that you couldn't then take the XP
>>> disc and install it on another machine. ...[/color]
>>
>> Correct, David.
>> --
>>
>> ...Sky
>>
>> Tom "Sky" King
>> ===========
>>[/color]
>[/color]