I bought a laptop with Vista Home installed. What a mistake.

1) I used the MS program to transfer settings and files. Oops, lots of
files didn't make it. Had to use other utilities to finish the job. Also,
when it copied Outlook Express it copied all my single folders, but not the
one that had sub-folders. Now what do I do?

2) Every time I close Windows Mail it crashes. Then every time I start it
up again it processes every message in every folder. I'm guessing it is
creating the indexes that it doesn't save when it crashes at close time.

3) The sidebar crashed and doesn't come back at re-boot. I don't really
miss it, but it's un-nerving to have it crash.

Vista seems to have been released more than a bit early.

Keith

Have you not heard? It is Windows ME II. Microsoft and many die hard MVPs
stand by a mediocre product but we all know it wasn't baked before release.
Everyone is clamoring for the release of the first Service Pack.



"Keith Eckhardt" <keitheckhardt@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:OZmtwpLkHHA.4248@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...[color=blue]
>I bought a laptop with Vista Home installed. What a mistake.
>
> 1) I used the MS program to transfer settings and files. Oops, lots of
> files didn't make it. Had to use other utilities to finish the job.
> Also, when it copied Outlook Express it copied all my single folders, but
> not the one that had sub-folders. Now what do I do?
>
> 2) Every time I close Windows Mail it crashes. Then every time I start it
> up again it processes every message in every folder. I'm guessing it is
> creating the indexes that it doesn't save when it crashes at close time.
>
> 3) The sidebar crashed and doesn't come back at re-boot. I don't really
> miss it, but it's un-nerving to have it crash.
>
> Vista seems to have been released more than a bit early.
>
> Keith[/color]

"Keith Eckhardt" <keitheckhardt@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:OZmtwpLkHHA.4248@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...[color=blue]
>I bought a laptop with Vista Home installed. What a mistake.
>
> 1) I used the MS program to transfer settings and files. Oops, lots of
> files didn't make it. Had to use other utilities to finish the job.
> Also, when it copied Outlook Express it copied all my single folders, but
> not the one that had sub-folders. Now what do I do?
>
> 2) Every time I close Windows Mail it crashes. Then every time I start it
> up again it processes every message in every folder. I'm guessing it is
> creating the indexes that it doesn't save when it crashes at close time.
>
> 3) The sidebar crashed and doesn't come back at re-boot. I don't really
> miss it, but it's un-nerving to have it crash.
>
> Vista seems to have been released more than a bit early.
>
> Keith[/color]

Since this is a new purchase you need to contact the manufacture you
purchased it from. There is no reason for those apps to crash out of the
box.

"Keith Eckhardt" <keitheckhardt@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:OZmtwpLkHHA.4248@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...[color=blue]
>I bought a laptop with Vista Home installed. What a mistake.
>
> 1) I used the MS program to transfer settings and files. Oops, lots of
> files didn't make it. Had to use other utilities to finish the job.
> Also, when it copied Outlook Express it copied all my single folders, but
> not the one that had sub-folders. Now what do I do?
>
> 2) Every time I close Windows Mail it crashes. Then every time I start it
> up again it processes every message in every folder. I'm guessing it is
> creating the indexes that it doesn't save when it crashes at close time.
>
> 3) The sidebar crashed and doesn't come back at re-boot. I don't really
> miss it, but it's un-nerving to have it crash.
>
> Vista seems to have been released more than a bit early.[/color]

Vista has a lot of cracks and holes in it, but I've not seen these before
myself.

Have you considered that you may have a faulty laptop, or that software
pre-loaded by the manufacturer might be contributing to these problems? (I'm
assuming you've ruled out everything you've done as the cause of the
issues).

"Keith Eckhardt" <keitheckhardt@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:OZmtwpLkHHA.4248@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
[color=blue]
>I bought a laptop with Vista Home installed. What a mistake.[/color]

I did too with Home Premium on the laptop. And then I upgraded to Ultimate.

I have not had one problem with Vista period.

Vista is running like a champ.

I would seriously consider that the problem lies with the computer itself or
the manufacturer.
There are just to many Vista users not having those issues. Vista has some
issues any new OS would have. XP was no different when it was released.

Contact the manufacturer of the PC, or simply return the PC and get a
different one. I would recommend the HP Vista Laptops/PC's. I have one, I
dont have any of the issues you are having.

To be exact here is what I have on my Laptop (HP dv6275us).
I have Visual Studio C++, Visual Studio C#, Microsoft Office 2007, Microsoft
Flight Simulator 2004, SlingBox Pro, about 10 apps in the Sidebar, Direct X
SDK, Platform SDK, Microsoft Virtual PC, Virtual Earth and much more.

I use my laptop to develope software.

I have very few issues with my Vista Laptop and Desktop. My Vista Desktop PC
is a game PC, and I have many legacy games on it that run without issues.So
that is two Vista computers, that do not have issues.

Like I said I have come across a few issues, but nothing major.

Contact the manufacturer of the laptop and have them fix it, you are right,
the issues you are having a totally unacceptible. If it is new I would just
return it and get a different model or brand. Vista should work very well on
a new computer that is sold with it already installed.

I bought my laptop with Vista preinstalled and have a custom built desktop
that had XP on it and I installed Vista onto it. Both run very well, in fact
better than XP did. In fact the desktop has been running two weeks without a
reboot and has had Micrsoft Flight Simulator 2004 running the whole time.

G


"Keith Eckhardt" <keitheckhardt@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:OZmtwpLkHHA.4248@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...[color=blue]
>I bought a laptop with Vista Home installed. What a mistake.
>
> 1) I used the MS program to transfer settings and files. Oops, lots of
> files didn't make it. Had to use other utilities to finish the job.
> Also, when it copied Outlook Express it copied all my single folders, but
> not the one that had sub-folders. Now what do I do?
>
> 2) Every time I close Windows Mail it crashes. Then every time I start it
> up again it processes every message in every folder. I'm guessing it is
> creating the indexes that it doesn't save when it crashes at close time.
>
> 3) The sidebar crashed and doesn't come back at re-boot. I don't really
> miss it, but it's un-nerving to have it crash.
>
> Vista seems to have been released more than a bit early.
>
> Keith[/color]

I assume you have a backup ?

I personally would restore to factory settings then use it before
transferring any files. This should give us an indication if it is the
hardware ?

Hopefully you should find it worrks a dream. If so then something musta got
corrupted in your transfer process.

Once running, try the transfer in stages and move on to the next when you
know one stage of transfer is working fine.


"Keith Eckhardt" <keitheckhardt@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:OZmtwpLkHHA.4248@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...[color=blue]
>I bought a laptop with Vista Home installed. What a mistake.
>
> 1) I used the MS program to transfer settings and files. Oops, lots of
> files didn't make it. Had to use other utilities to finish the job.
> Also, when it copied Outlook Express it copied all my single folders, but
> not the one that had sub-folders. Now what do I do?
>
> 2) Every time I close Windows Mail it crashes. Then every time I start it
> up again it processes every message in every folder. I'm guessing it is
> creating the indexes that it doesn't save when it crashes at close time.
>
> 3) The sidebar crashed and doesn't come back at re-boot. I don't really
> miss it, but it's un-nerving to have it crash.
>
> Vista seems to have been released more than a bit early.
>
> Keith[/color]

No JV, I havn't heard about that before.
You are until now the only moron that I have seen writing this kind of
rubbish.
Are you happy with XP or with another OS, then stay with it and stop your
posts that do not help anybody.

"JV" wrote:
[color=blue]
> Have you not heard? It is Windows ME II. Microsoft and many die hard MVPs
> stand by a mediocre product but we all know it wasn't baked before release.
> Everyone is clamoring for the release of the first Service Pack.
>
>
>
> "Keith Eckhardt" <keitheckhardt@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:OZmtwpLkHHA.4248@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...[color=green]
> >I bought a laptop with Vista Home installed. What a mistake.
> >
> > 1) I used the MS program to transfer settings and files. Oops, lots of
> > files didn't make it. Had to use other utilities to finish the job.
> > Also, when it copied Outlook Express it copied all my single folders, but
> > not the one that had sub-folders. Now what do I do?
> >
> > 2) Every time I close Windows Mail it crashes. Then every time I start it
> > up again it processes every message in every folder. I'm guessing it is
> > creating the indexes that it doesn't save when it crashes at close time.
> >
> > 3) The sidebar crashed and doesn't come back at re-boot. I don't really
> > miss it, but it's un-nerving to have it crash.
> >
> > Vista seems to have been released more than a bit early.
> >
> > Keith[/color]
>
>
>[/color]

I reported the various problems to the manufacturer and suggested my
computer has a hardware timing problem. I just got an email back that my
hard disk is bad and they will send someone to my house to replace it,
probably within 24 hours.

I'm feeling better.

Keith
<gsx@gsxnet.com> wrote in message
news:eoCzFXMkHHA.4848@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...[color=blue]
>I would seriously consider that the problem lies with the computer itself
>or the manufacturer.
> There are just to many Vista users not having those issues. Vista has some
> issues any new OS would have. XP was no different when it was released.
>
> Contact the manufacturer of the PC, or simply return the PC and get a
> different one. I would recommend the HP Vista Laptops/PC's. I have one, I
> dont have any of the issues you are having.
>
> To be exact here is what I have on my Laptop (HP dv6275us).
> I have Visual Studio C++, Visual Studio C#, Microsoft Office 2007,
> Microsoft Flight Simulator 2004, SlingBox Pro, about 10 apps in the
> Sidebar, Direct X SDK, Platform SDK, Microsoft Virtual PC, Virtual Earth
> and much more.
>
> I use my laptop to develope software.
>
> I have very few issues with my Vista Laptop and Desktop. My Vista Desktop
> PC is a game PC, and I have many legacy games on it that run without
> issues.So that is two Vista computers, that do not have issues.
>
> Like I said I have come across a few issues, but nothing major.
>
> Contact the manufacturer of the laptop and have them fix it, you are
> right, the issues you are having a totally unacceptible. If it is new I
> would just return it and get a different model or brand. Vista should work
> very well on a new computer that is sold with it already installed.
>
> I bought my laptop with Vista preinstalled and have a custom built desktop
> that had XP on it and I installed Vista onto it. Both run very well, in
> fact better than XP did. In fact the desktop has been running two weeks
> without a reboot and has had Micrsoft Flight Simulator 2004 running the
> whole time.
>
> G
>
>
> "Keith Eckhardt" <keitheckhardt@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:OZmtwpLkHHA.4248@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...[color=green]
>>I bought a laptop with Vista Home installed. What a mistake.
>>
>> 1) I used the MS program to transfer settings and files. Oops, lots of
>> files didn't make it. Had to use other utilities to finish the job.
>> Also, when it copied Outlook Express it copied all my single folders, but
>> not the one that had sub-folders. Now what do I do?
>>
>> 2) Every time I close Windows Mail it crashes. Then every time I start
>> it up again it processes every message in every folder. I'm guessing it
>> is creating the indexes that it doesn't save when it crashes at close
>> time.
>>
>> 3) The sidebar crashed and doesn't come back at re-boot. I don't really
>> miss it, but it's un-nerving to have it crash.
>>
>> Vista seems to have been released more than a bit early.
>>
>> Keith[/color]
>[/color]

Gotta love those onsite warranties!



"Keith Eckhardt" <keitheckhardt@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:#muJARQkHHA.4800@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...[color=blue]
>I reported the various problems to the manufacturer and suggested my
>computer has a hardware timing problem. I just got an email back that my
>hard disk is bad and they will send someone to my house to replace it,
>probably within 24 hours.
>
> I'm feeling better.
>
> Keith
> <gsx@gsxnet.com> wrote in message
> news:eoCzFXMkHHA.4848@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...[color=green]
>>I would seriously consider that the problem lies with the computer itself
>>or the manufacturer.
>> There are just to many Vista users not having those issues. Vista has
>> some issues any new OS would have. XP was no different when it was
>> released.
>>
>> Contact the manufacturer of the PC, or simply return the PC and get a
>> different one. I would recommend the HP Vista Laptops/PC's. I have one, I
>> dont have any of the issues you are having.
>>
>> To be exact here is what I have on my Laptop (HP dv6275us).
>> I have Visual Studio C++, Visual Studio C#, Microsoft Office 2007,
>> Microsoft Flight Simulator 2004, SlingBox Pro, about 10 apps in the
>> Sidebar, Direct X SDK, Platform SDK, Microsoft Virtual PC, Virtual Earth
>> and much more.
>>
>> I use my laptop to develope software.
>>
>> I have very few issues with my Vista Laptop and Desktop. My Vista Desktop
>> PC is a game PC, and I have many legacy games on it that run without
>> issues.So that is two Vista computers, that do not have issues.
>>
>> Like I said I have come across a few issues, but nothing major.
>>
>> Contact the manufacturer of the laptop and have them fix it, you are
>> right, the issues you are having a totally unacceptible. If it is new I
>> would just return it and get a different model or brand. Vista should
>> work very well on a new computer that is sold with it already installed.
>>
>> I bought my laptop with Vista preinstalled and have a custom built
>> desktop that had XP on it and I installed Vista onto it. Both run very
>> well, in fact better than XP did. In fact the desktop has been running
>> two weeks without a reboot and has had Micrsoft Flight Simulator 2004
>> running the whole time.
>>
>> G
>>
>>
>> "Keith Eckhardt" <keitheckhardt@comcast.net> wrote in message
>> news:OZmtwpLkHHA.4248@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...[color=darkred]
>>>I bought a laptop with Vista Home installed. What a mistake.
>>>
>>> 1) I used the MS program to transfer settings and files. Oops, lots of
>>> files didn't make it. Had to use other utilities to finish the job.
>>> Also, when it copied Outlook Express it copied all my single folders,
>>> but not the one that had sub-folders. Now what do I do?
>>>
>>> 2) Every time I close Windows Mail it crashes. Then every time I start
>>> it up again it processes every message in every folder. I'm guessing it
>>> is creating the indexes that it doesn't save when it crashes at close
>>> time.
>>>
>>> 3) The sidebar crashed and doesn't come back at re-boot. I don't really
>>> miss it, but it's un-nerving to have it crash.
>>>
>>> Vista seems to have been released more than a bit early.
>>>
>>> Keith[/color]
>>[/color]
>[/color]

"...we all know..."
"Everyone is clamoring..."
Really?
You speak for everyone?
No, you don't so do not presume that you do.
You have an extremely narrow view if you believe all you wrote.

Some share your opinion but many do not.
Windows Vista works fine on two of my computers and "mediocre" does
not apply.
Your presumption to know how Windows Vista performs in all situations
shows your narrow point of view.

Read the OPs post, perhaps for the first time.
You will see that it is probable it is a possible hardware issue or
possibly bad installation from the factory.
In either case, no operating system from any source is immune from
such issues.

--
Jupiter Jones [MVP]
[url]http://www3.telus.net/dandemar[/url]
[url]http://www.dts-l.org[/url]


"JV" <jv******.com> wrote in message
news:%236L47sLkHHA.4596@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...[color=blue]
> Have you not heard? It is Windows ME II. Microsoft and many die
> hard MVPs stand by a mediocre product but we all know it wasn't
> baked before release. Everyone is clamoring for the release of the
> first Service Pack.[/color]

I 2 have Vista Home on a new laptop, an el cheapo Acer 3280 for $300 with
512M and its rock solid. I upgrade to 1G, and its a champ today.

However, I do think Vista is not entirely its made up to be, and that's
bullet proof.

[url]http://www.microsoft.com/windows/products/windowsvista/features/details/e[/url]
asytransfer.mspx

If you think the transfer screwed things up, the simplest and best thing
to do is:

Restore point to before the install OR

use the system disks to restore the machine to factory settings

If the above works and your machine is stable factory version, then
install your programs one by one from scratch rather than use the easy
transfer.


"Keith Eckhardt" <keitheckhardt@comcast.net> wrote in
news:OZmtwpLkHHA.4248@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl:
[color=blue]
> I bought a laptop with Vista Home installed. What a mistake.
>
> 1) I used the MS program to transfer settings and files. Oops, lots
> of files didn't make it. Had to use other utilities to finish the
> job. Also, when it copied Outlook Express it copied all my single
> folders, but not the one that had sub-folders. Now what do I do?
>
> 2) Every time I close Windows Mail it crashes. Then every time I
> start it up again it processes every message in every folder. I'm
> guessing it is creating the indexes that it doesn't save when it
> crashes at close time.
>
> 3) The sidebar crashed and doesn't come back at re-boot. I don't
> really miss it, but it's un-nerving to have it crash.
>
> Vista seems to have been released more than a bit early.
>
> Keith
>[/color]

error that is 3680, its the low end of the Acer line

Joseph Johnson <jr@aol.com> wrote in
news:Xns992A4D270BA15anakngputa@199.45.49.11:
[color=blue]
> I 2 have Vista Home on a new laptop, an el cheapo Acer 3280 for $300
> with 512M and its rock solid. I upgrade to 1G, and its a champ today.
>
>[/color]

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JV wrote:[color=blue]
> Have you not heard? It is Windows ME II. Microsoft and many die hard MVPs
> stand by a mediocre product but we all know it wasn't baked before release.
> Everyone is clamoring for the release of the first Service Pack.
>
>
>
> "Keith Eckhardt" <keitheckhardt@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:OZmtwpLkHHA.4248@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...[color=green]
>> I bought a laptop with Vista Home installed. What a mistake.
>>
>> 1) I used the MS program to transfer settings and files. Oops, lots of
>> files didn't make it. Had to use other utilities to finish the job.
>> Also, when it copied Outlook Express it copied all my single folders, but
>> not the one that had sub-folders. Now what do I do?
>>
>> 2) Every time I close Windows Mail it crashes. Then every time I start it
>> up again it processes every message in every folder. I'm guessing it is
>> creating the indexes that it doesn't save when it crashes at close time.
>>
>> 3) The sidebar crashed and doesn't come back at re-boot. I don't really
>> miss it, but it's un-nerving to have it crash.
>>
>> Vista seems to have been released more than a bit early.
>>
>> Keith[/color]
>
>[/color]
And you, JV, are living proof that there are more equine hindquarters
than forequarters.

You might actually try addressing the issues stated by the original
poster, instead of trolling.


Keith, I can't address the transfer program since I never had need to
use it, but when I uses windows Mail, it behaved properly. with regard
to the sidebar, did you add any gadgets to it? If so, restart it.
simply typing "sidebar" in the seach box will lead you to it, remove the
gadgets you added, then shut the sidebar down, you should see a window
with an option to start sidebar when you start the computer. Be sure
that box is checked.

I've been running Vista on both my desktop and laptop. and much prefer
it to XP.

JV, stop talking through your boxers, which by the way, should be
changed more often.





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Iron Feliks
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"Keith Eckhardt" <keitheckhardt@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:%23muJARQkHHA.4800@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...[color=blue]
>I reported the various problems to the manufacturer and suggested my
>computer has a hardware timing problem. I just got an email back that my
>hard disk is bad and they will send someone to my house to replace it,
>probably within 24 hours.
>
> I'm feeling better.[/color]

Let's hope this solves it and your story has a happy ending.