I've got a few statements to make and I'd like to make them public so
that those at Microsoft who are still developing the standard user
version can take note of:

1. The installation of Windows in the GUI while in Windows XP
Professional SP1 or 2 should include the option to format the computer
and start from a clean install via format under the advanced options.

2. The installation of Windows in the GUI while in Windows XP
Professional SP2 should include the option to partition the hard-drive
the same way that the bootable install allows for such as "Expand" (the
partition) and "Format" (under the condition that a restart is going to
occur and boot into the Installation GUI.

3. During the transition where there are Windows Loading screens where
there is simply a load bar and there is the copyright of the Microsoft
Corporation, the logo should be above this.

4. Installation should prompt the users in a more friendly way in
regards to restarting the computer. Instead of when I have to look at
that message for the 1^345738957209872348907th time (which happens to
call an Islington flat) that is quite impersonal and robotic, I would
like to see something that seems a bit more human as the intial
impression of Vista is impressive enough that it should make up for it.
Someone fire the Q/A editor.

5. Did you have the idea that Ubuntu, Mac OS X, and Windows XP thrown
together would not be noticed? Give us all a break. My computer is
good enough and a stupid score of 2.3 as an overall based off of Windows
Aero being my lowest, lets get some updates please.

6. IPv6 showing the ipconfig command from command prompt is something
that everyone should be aware of as a major change when diagnosing
problems. It does now incorporate the use of MAC Addresses and IP
addresses. Be aware that what you see when ipconfig is sent that it is
quite different.

The more I get pissed off with the new OS which actually works quite
well, so far that is, then I'll write more.


--
Lasher
MCNGP #50 ([url]www.mcngp.com[/url])
MCNGP: Leading the world to better training, better computer skills,
and taking out the lowdes of the world with furvor beyond anyone's
belief.

Windows Vista all versions has gone RTM so there will be no more changes.
The next best thing are updates and Service Packs, but that is it since
Vista is RTM.

"2.3 as an overall based off of Windows Aero being my lowest, lets get some
updates please."
That would be a video card issue.
Either you need a better card or a newer driver for higher numbers.
Neither are the responsibility of Microsoft.
Have you contacted the card manufacturer about newer drivers?

--
Jupiter Jones [MVP]
[url]http://www3.telus.net/dandemar[/url]
[url]http://www.dts-l.org[/url]


"Lasher" <gofuskyourself@asseenon.tv> wrote in message
news:Xns98988825A28C7Lasher36526@207.46.248.16...[color=blue]
> I've got a few statements to make and I'd like to make them public so
> that those at Microsoft who are still developing the standard user
> version can take note of:
>
> 1. The installation of Windows in the GUI while in Windows XP
> Professional SP1 or 2 should include the option to format the computer
> and start from a clean install via format under the advanced options.
>
> 2. The installation of Windows in the GUI while in Windows XP
> Professional SP2 should include the option to partition the hard-drive
> the same way that the bootable install allows for such as "Expand" (the
> partition) and "Format" (under the condition that a restart is going to
> occur and boot into the Installation GUI.
>
> 3. During the transition where there are Windows Loading screens where
> there is simply a load bar and there is the copyright of the Microsoft
> Corporation, the logo should be above this.
>
> 4. Installation should prompt the users in a more friendly way in
> regards to restarting the computer. Instead of when I have to look at
> that message for the 1^345738957209872348907th time (which happens to
> call an Islington flat) that is quite impersonal and robotic, I would
> like to see something that seems a bit more human as the intial
> impression of Vista is impressive enough that it should make up for it.
> Someone fire the Q/A editor.
>
> 5. Did you have the idea that Ubuntu, Mac OS X, and Windows XP thrown
> together would not be noticed? Give us all a break. My computer is
> good enough and a stupid score of 2.3 as an overall based off of Windows
> Aero being my lowest, lets get some updates please.
>
> 6. IPv6 showing the ipconfig command from command prompt is something
> that everyone should be aware of as a major change when diagnosing
> problems. It does now incorporate the use of MAC Addresses and IP
> addresses. Be aware that what you see when ipconfig is sent that it is
> quite different.
>
> The more I get pissed off with the new OS which actually works quite
> well, so far that is, then I'll write more.
>
>
> --
> Lasher
> MCNGP #50 ([url]www.mcngp.com[/url])
> MCNGP: Leading the world to better training, better computer skills,
> and taking out the lowdes of the world with furvor beyond anyone's
> belief.[/color]

Windows Vista all versions has gone RTM so there will be no more changes.
The next best thing are updates and Service Packs, but that is it since
Vista is RTM.

"2.3 as an overall based off of Windows Aero being my lowest, lets get some
updates please."
That would be a video card issue.
Either you need a better card or a newer driver for higher numbers.
Neither are the responsibility of Microsoft.
Have you contacted the card manufacturer about newer drivers?

--
Jupiter Jones [MVP]
[url]http://www3.telus.net/dandemar[/url]
[url]http://www.dts-l.org[/url]


"Lasher" <gofuskyourself@asseenon.tv> wrote in message
news:Xns98988825A28C7Lasher36526@207.46.248.16...[color=blue]
> I've got a few statements to make and I'd like to make them public so
> that those at Microsoft who are still developing the standard user
> version can take note of:
>
> 1. The installation of Windows in the GUI while in Windows XP
> Professional SP1 or 2 should include the option to format the computer
> and start from a clean install via format under the advanced options.
>
> 2. The installation of Windows in the GUI while in Windows XP
> Professional SP2 should include the option to partition the hard-drive
> the same way that the bootable install allows for such as "Expand" (the
> partition) and "Format" (under the condition that a restart is going to
> occur and boot into the Installation GUI.
>
> 3. During the transition where there are Windows Loading screens where
> there is simply a load bar and there is the copyright of the Microsoft
> Corporation, the logo should be above this.
>
> 4. Installation should prompt the users in a more friendly way in
> regards to restarting the computer. Instead of when I have to look at
> that message for the 1^345738957209872348907th time (which happens to
> call an Islington flat) that is quite impersonal and robotic, I would
> like to see something that seems a bit more human as the intial
> impression of Vista is impressive enough that it should make up for it.
> Someone fire the Q/A editor.
>
> 5. Did you have the idea that Ubuntu, Mac OS X, and Windows XP thrown
> together would not be noticed? Give us all a break. My computer is
> good enough and a stupid score of 2.3 as an overall based off of Windows
> Aero being my lowest, lets get some updates please.
>
> 6. IPv6 showing the ipconfig command from command prompt is something
> that everyone should be aware of as a major change when diagnosing
> problems. It does now incorporate the use of MAC Addresses and IP
> addresses. Be aware that what you see when ipconfig is sent that it is
> quite different.
>
> The more I get pissed off with the new OS which actually works quite
> well, so far that is, then I'll write more.
>
>
> --
> Lasher
> MCNGP #50 ([url]www.mcngp.com[/url])
> MCNGP: Leading the world to better training, better computer skills,
> and taking out the lowdes of the world with furvor beyond anyone's
> belief.[/color]

> 3. During the transition where there are Windows Loading screens where[color=blue]
> there is simply a load bar and there is the copyright of the Microsoft
> Corporation, the logo should be above this.[/color]

New boot screen explanation:
[url]http://www.winsupersite.com/reviews/winvista_04.asp[/url]

Personally, I'll rather have six seconds savings than a logo.
[color=blue]
> 4. Installation should prompt the users in a more friendly way...
> ...Someone fire the Q/A editor.[/color]

That's a bit harsh. Did you notice the absence of the DOS-based
installation stage?
[color=blue]
> ... and a stupid score of 2.3 as an overall based off of Windows
> Aero being my lowest, lets get some updates please.[/color]

Your "overall scrore" is the "lowest score" in the list. Take it from Mr
one-point-oh. 5.9 is tops I've read.

> 3. During the transition where there are Windows Loading screens where[color=blue]
> there is simply a load bar and there is the copyright of the Microsoft
> Corporation, the logo should be above this.[/color]

New boot screen explanation:
[url]http://www.winsupersite.com/reviews/winvista_04.asp[/url]

Personally, I'll rather have six seconds savings than a logo.
[color=blue]
> 4. Installation should prompt the users in a more friendly way...
> ...Someone fire the Q/A editor.[/color]

That's a bit harsh. Did you notice the absence of the DOS-based
installation stage?
[color=blue]
> ... and a stupid score of 2.3 as an overall based off of Windows
> Aero being my lowest, lets get some updates please.[/color]

Your "overall scrore" is the "lowest score" in the list. Take it from Mr
one-point-oh. 5.9 is tops I've read.

=?Utf-8?B?Q2FybA==?= <Carl@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in
news:F4EADEF9-B809-4A69-95F4-B19D67D5174E@microsoft.com:
[color=blue][color=green]
>> 4. Installation should prompt the users in a more friendly way...
>> ...Someone fire the Q/A editor.[/color]
>
> That's a bit harsh. Did you notice the absence of the DOS-based
> installation stage?[/color]

It just was impersonal...robotic almost. But yes, even though there is no
official "DOS-based installation stage", the text needs a revision.

=?Utf-8?B?Q2FybA==?= <Carl@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in
news:F4EADEF9-B809-4A69-95F4-B19D67D5174E@microsoft.com:
[color=blue][color=green]
>> 4. Installation should prompt the users in a more friendly way...
>> ...Someone fire the Q/A editor.[/color]
>
> That's a bit harsh. Did you notice the absence of the DOS-based
> installation stage?[/color]

It just was impersonal...robotic almost. But yes, even though there is no
official "DOS-based installation stage", the text needs a revision.

"Lasher" wrote
[color=blue]
> I've got a few statements to make and I'd like to make them public so
> that those at Microsoft who are still developing the standard user
> version can take note of:
>
> 1. The installation of Windows in the GUI while in Windows XP
> Professional SP1 or 2 should include the option to format the computer
> and start from a clean install via format under the advanced options.
>
> 2. The installation of Windows in the GUI while in Windows XP
> Professional SP2 should include the option to partition the hard-drive
> the same way that the bootable install allows for such as "Expand" (the
> partition) and "Format" (under the condition that a restart is going to
> occur and boot into the Installation GUI.
>
> 3. During the transition where there are Windows Loading screens where
> there is simply a load bar and there is the copyright of the Microsoft
> Corporation, the logo should be above this.
>
> 4. Installation should prompt the users in a more friendly way in
> regards to restarting the computer. Instead of when I have to look at
> that message for the 1^345738957209872348907th time (which happens to
> call an Islington flat) that is quite impersonal and robotic, I would
> like to see something that seems a bit more human as the intial
> impression of Vista is impressive enough that it should make up for it.
> Someone fire the Q/A editor.
>
> 5. Did you have the idea that Ubuntu, Mac OS X, and Windows XP thrown
> together would not be noticed? Give us all a break. My computer is
> good enough and a stupid score of 2.3 as an overall based off of Windows
> Aero being my lowest, lets get some updates please.
>
> 6. IPv6 showing the ipconfig command from command prompt is something
> that everyone should be aware of as a major change when diagnosing
> problems. It does now incorporate the use of MAC Addresses and IP
> addresses. Be aware that what you see when ipconfig is sent that it is
> quite different.
>
> The more I get pissed off with the new OS which actually works quite
> well, so far that is, then I'll write more.[/color]

You're not talking to MS here - so your suggestions might very well not be
seen. Since Vista has gone RTM, if you want to pass on your suggestions go
through the normal channels.

[url]http://support.microsoft.com/contactus/?WS=Wish[/url]

"Lasher" wrote
[color=blue]
> I've got a few statements to make and I'd like to make them public so
> that those at Microsoft who are still developing the standard user
> version can take note of:
>
> 1. The installation of Windows in the GUI while in Windows XP
> Professional SP1 or 2 should include the option to format the computer
> and start from a clean install via format under the advanced options.
>
> 2. The installation of Windows in the GUI while in Windows XP
> Professional SP2 should include the option to partition the hard-drive
> the same way that the bootable install allows for such as "Expand" (the
> partition) and "Format" (under the condition that a restart is going to
> occur and boot into the Installation GUI.
>
> 3. During the transition where there are Windows Loading screens where
> there is simply a load bar and there is the copyright of the Microsoft
> Corporation, the logo should be above this.
>
> 4. Installation should prompt the users in a more friendly way in
> regards to restarting the computer. Instead of when I have to look at
> that message for the 1^345738957209872348907th time (which happens to
> call an Islington flat) that is quite impersonal and robotic, I would
> like to see something that seems a bit more human as the intial
> impression of Vista is impressive enough that it should make up for it.
> Someone fire the Q/A editor.
>
> 5. Did you have the idea that Ubuntu, Mac OS X, and Windows XP thrown
> together would not be noticed? Give us all a break. My computer is
> good enough and a stupid score of 2.3 as an overall based off of Windows
> Aero being my lowest, lets get some updates please.
>
> 6. IPv6 showing the ipconfig command from command prompt is something
> that everyone should be aware of as a major change when diagnosing
> problems. It does now incorporate the use of MAC Addresses and IP
> addresses. Be aware that what you see when ipconfig is sent that it is
> quite different.
>
> The more I get pissed off with the new OS which actually works quite
> well, so far that is, then I'll write more.[/color]

You're not talking to MS here - so your suggestions might very well not be
seen. Since Vista has gone RTM, if you want to pass on your suggestions go
through the normal channels.

[url]http://support.microsoft.com/contactus/?WS=Wish[/url]

Not sure I understand 1 and 2.... if you want those features, boot from the
DVD and do a clean install. That's what you're describing...

No comment on 3, 4, and 5...

On 6: this is in a manner different than ipconfig /all in XP?

Lang

"Lasher" <gofuskyourself@asseenon.tv> wrote in message
news:Xns98988825A28C7Lasher36526@207.46.248.16...[color=blue]
> I've got a few statements to make and I'd like to make them public so
> that those at Microsoft who are still developing the standard user
> version can take note of:
>
> 1. The installation of Windows in the GUI while in Windows XP
> Professional SP1 or 2 should include the option to format the computer
> and start from a clean install via format under the advanced options.
>
> 2. The installation of Windows in the GUI while in Windows XP
> Professional SP2 should include the option to partition the hard-drive
> the same way that the bootable install allows for such as "Expand" (the
> partition) and "Format" (under the condition that a restart is going to
> occur and boot into the Installation GUI.
>
> 3. During the transition where there are Windows Loading screens where
> there is simply a load bar and there is the copyright of the Microsoft
> Corporation, the logo should be above this.
>
> 4. Installation should prompt the users in a more friendly way in
> regards to restarting the computer. Instead of when I have to look at
> that message for the 1^345738957209872348907th time (which happens to
> call an Islington flat) that is quite impersonal and robotic, I would
> like to see something that seems a bit more human as the intial
> impression of Vista is impressive enough that it should make up for it.
> Someone fire the Q/A editor.
>
> 5. Did you have the idea that Ubuntu, Mac OS X, and Windows XP thrown
> together would not be noticed? Give us all a break. My computer is
> good enough and a stupid score of 2.3 as an overall based off of Windows
> Aero being my lowest, lets get some updates please.
>
> 6. IPv6 showing the ipconfig command from command prompt is something
> that everyone should be aware of as a major change when diagnosing
> problems. It does now incorporate the use of MAC Addresses and IP
> addresses. Be aware that what you see when ipconfig is sent that it is
> quite different.
>
> The more I get pissed off with the new OS which actually works quite
> well, so far that is, then I'll write more.
>
>
> --
> Lasher
> MCNGP #50 ([url]www.mcngp.com[/url])
> MCNGP: Leading the world to better training, better computer skills,
> and taking out the lowdes of the world with furvor beyond anyone's
> belief.[/color]

Not sure I understand 1 and 2.... if you want those features, boot from the
DVD and do a clean install. That's what you're describing...

No comment on 3, 4, and 5...

On 6: this is in a manner different than ipconfig /all in XP?

Lang

"Lasher" <gofuskyourself@asseenon.tv> wrote in message
news:Xns98988825A28C7Lasher36526@207.46.248.16...[color=blue]
> I've got a few statements to make and I'd like to make them public so
> that those at Microsoft who are still developing the standard user
> version can take note of:
>
> 1. The installation of Windows in the GUI while in Windows XP
> Professional SP1 or 2 should include the option to format the computer
> and start from a clean install via format under the advanced options.
>
> 2. The installation of Windows in the GUI while in Windows XP
> Professional SP2 should include the option to partition the hard-drive
> the same way that the bootable install allows for such as "Expand" (the
> partition) and "Format" (under the condition that a restart is going to
> occur and boot into the Installation GUI.
>
> 3. During the transition where there are Windows Loading screens where
> there is simply a load bar and there is the copyright of the Microsoft
> Corporation, the logo should be above this.
>
> 4. Installation should prompt the users in a more friendly way in
> regards to restarting the computer. Instead of when I have to look at
> that message for the 1^345738957209872348907th time (which happens to
> call an Islington flat) that is quite impersonal and robotic, I would
> like to see something that seems a bit more human as the intial
> impression of Vista is impressive enough that it should make up for it.
> Someone fire the Q/A editor.
>
> 5. Did you have the idea that Ubuntu, Mac OS X, and Windows XP thrown
> together would not be noticed? Give us all a break. My computer is
> good enough and a stupid score of 2.3 as an overall based off of Windows
> Aero being my lowest, lets get some updates please.
>
> 6. IPv6 showing the ipconfig command from command prompt is something
> that everyone should be aware of as a major change when diagnosing
> problems. It does now incorporate the use of MAC Addresses and IP
> addresses. Be aware that what you see when ipconfig is sent that it is
> quite different.
>
> The more I get pissed off with the new OS which actually works quite
> well, so far that is, then I'll write more.
>
>
> --
> Lasher
> MCNGP #50 ([url]www.mcngp.com[/url])
> MCNGP: Leading the world to better training, better computer skills,
> and taking out the lowdes of the world with furvor beyond anyone's
> belief.[/color]

"Lang Murphy" <lang_murphy********.com> wrote in
news:DE9040AE-36D7-43B6-A3B9-4D5BC9E0DAD9@microsoft.com:
[color=blue]
> Not sure I understand 1 and 2.... if you want those features, boot
> from the DVD and do a clean install. That's what you're describing...[/color]

That's where I feel MS is being b!tchy though. Its a rude install program
the first OS around that replaces a DOS-based OS.
[color=blue]
> No comment on 3, 4, and 5...[/color]

No problem.
[color=blue]
> On 6: this is in a manner different than ipconfig /all in XP?[/color]

Yes, /ipconfig all shows different IP addresses that include MAC addresses,
this is just something that I noticed.
[color=blue]
> Lang[/color]

"Lang Murphy" <lang_murphy********.com> wrote in
news:DE9040AE-36D7-43B6-A3B9-4D5BC9E0DAD9@microsoft.com:
[color=blue]
> Not sure I understand 1 and 2.... if you want those features, boot
> from the DVD and do a clean install. That's what you're describing...[/color]

That's where I feel MS is being b!tchy though. Its a rude install program
the first OS around that replaces a DOS-based OS.
[color=blue]
> No comment on 3, 4, and 5...[/color]

No problem.
[color=blue]
> On 6: this is in a manner different than ipconfig /all in XP?[/color]

Yes, /ipconfig all shows different IP addresses that include MAC addresses,
this is just something that I noticed.
[color=blue]
> Lang[/color]

Inline.
[color=blue]
> 1. The installation of Windows in the GUI while in Windows XP
> Professional SP1 or 2 should include the option to format the computer
> and start from a clean install via format under the advanced options.[/color]

XP cannot format the hard drive from a Win9x/ME desktop (GUI) either. You
cannot format the system partition while running. You have to convert to
NTFS aftwards.[color=blue]
>
> 2. The installation of Windows in the GUI while in Windows XP
> Professional SP2 should include the option to partition the hard-drive
> the same way that the bootable install allows for such as "Expand" (the
> partition) and "Format" (under the condition that a restart is going to
> occur and boot into the Installation GUI.[/color]

XP cannot partition a drive from the GUI of a Win9x/ME desktop either. You
have to do that by booting with the XP cd.[color=blue]
>
> 3. During the transition where there are Windows Loading screens where
> there is simply a load bar and there is the copyright of the Microsoft
> Corporation, the logo should be above this.[/color]

Why? You've got an activity bar and Microsoft Corp. What more do you need?[color=blue]
>
> 4. Installation should prompt the users in a more friendly way in
> regards to restarting the computer. Instead of when I have to look at
> that message for the 1^345738957209872348907th time (which happens to
> call an Islington flat) that is quite impersonal and robotic, I would
> like to see something that seems a bit more human as the intial
> impression of Vista is impressive enough that it should make up for it.
> Someone fire the Q/A editor.[/color]

Why? It reboots on its own during intallation.[color=blue]
>
> 5. Did you have the idea that Ubuntu, Mac OS X, and Windows XP thrown
> together would not be noticed? Give us all a break. My computer is
> good enough and a stupid score of 2.3 as an overall based off of Windows
> Aero being my lowest, lets get some updates please.[/color]

Update your hardware to improve the score, but 2.3 is actually decent
enough.[color=blue]
>
> 6. IPv6 showing the ipconfig command from command prompt is something
> that everyone should be aware of as a major change when diagnosing
> problems. It does now incorporate the use of MAC Addresses and IP
> addresses. Be aware that what you see when ipconfig is sent that it is
> quite different.
>
> The more I get pissed off with the new OS which actually works quite
> well, so far that is, then I'll write more.[/color]

Why?[color=blue]
>
>
> --
> Lasher
> MCNGP #50 ([url]www.mcngp.com[/url])
> MCNGP: Leading the world to better training, better computer skills,
> and taking out the lowdes of the world with furvor beyond anyone's
> belief.[/color]

Inline.
[color=blue]
> 1. The installation of Windows in the GUI while in Windows XP
> Professional SP1 or 2 should include the option to format the computer
> and start from a clean install via format under the advanced options.[/color]

XP cannot format the hard drive from a Win9x/ME desktop (GUI) either. You
cannot format the system partition while running. You have to convert to
NTFS aftwards.[color=blue]
>
> 2. The installation of Windows in the GUI while in Windows XP
> Professional SP2 should include the option to partition the hard-drive
> the same way that the bootable install allows for such as "Expand" (the
> partition) and "Format" (under the condition that a restart is going to
> occur and boot into the Installation GUI.[/color]

XP cannot partition a drive from the GUI of a Win9x/ME desktop either. You
have to do that by booting with the XP cd.[color=blue]
>
> 3. During the transition where there are Windows Loading screens where
> there is simply a load bar and there is the copyright of the Microsoft
> Corporation, the logo should be above this.[/color]

Why? You've got an activity bar and Microsoft Corp. What more do you need?[color=blue]
>
> 4. Installation should prompt the users in a more friendly way in
> regards to restarting the computer. Instead of when I have to look at
> that message for the 1^345738957209872348907th time (which happens to
> call an Islington flat) that is quite impersonal and robotic, I would
> like to see something that seems a bit more human as the intial
> impression of Vista is impressive enough that it should make up for it.
> Someone fire the Q/A editor.[/color]

Why? It reboots on its own during intallation.[color=blue]
>
> 5. Did you have the idea that Ubuntu, Mac OS X, and Windows XP thrown
> together would not be noticed? Give us all a break. My computer is
> good enough and a stupid score of 2.3 as an overall based off of Windows
> Aero being my lowest, lets get some updates please.[/color]

Update your hardware to improve the score, but 2.3 is actually decent
enough.[color=blue]
>
> 6. IPv6 showing the ipconfig command from command prompt is something
> that everyone should be aware of as a major change when diagnosing
> problems. It does now incorporate the use of MAC Addresses and IP
> addresses. Be aware that what you see when ipconfig is sent that it is
> quite different.
>
> The more I get pissed off with the new OS which actually works quite
> well, so far that is, then I'll write more.[/color]

Why?[color=blue]
>
>
> --
> Lasher
> MCNGP #50 ([url]www.mcngp.com[/url])
> MCNGP: Leading the world to better training, better computer skills,
> and taking out the lowdes of the world with furvor beyond anyone's
> belief.[/color]