I don't know how many times I've seen those who
claim to know WTF they are talking about, say
that it is not "legal" or allowed by Microsoft
for folks using a Vista beta to be able to purchase
an Upgrade version of Vista and install it on top of
their Vista beta. Numerous posters were told they would
have to buy the full version. Wrong.

[url]http://windowsvistablog.com/blogs/windowsvista/archive/2007/04/24/windows-vista-beta-2-rc1-and-rc2-set-to-expire.aspx[/url]

<quote>
There are no product discounts specifically for participants in the Customer Preview Program;
however, because you are using a pre-release version of Windows Vista Ultimate, you can
purchase and use the Upgrade version of Windows Vista.
</quote>



-Michael

good to know.

"MICHAEL" wrote:
[color=blue]
> I don't know how many times I've seen those who
> claim to know WTF they are talking about, say
> that it is not "legal" or allowed by Microsoft
> for folks using a Vista beta to be able to purchase
> an Upgrade version of Vista and install it on top of
> their Vista beta. Numerous posters were told they would
> have to buy the full version. Wrong.
>
> [url]http://windowsvistablog.com/blogs/windowsvista/archive/2007/04/24/windows-vista-beta-2-rc1-and-rc2-set-to-expire.aspx[/url]
>
> <quote>
> There are no product discounts specifically for participants in the Customer Preview Program;
> however, because you are using a pre-release version of Windows Vista Ultimate, you can
> purchase and use the Upgrade version of Windows Vista.
> </quote>
>
>
>
> -Michael
>[/color]

On Wed, 25 Apr 2007 16:57:54 -0400, MICHAEL wrote:
[color=blue]
> I don't know how many times I've seen those who
> claim to know WTF they are talking about, say
> that it is not "legal" or allowed by Microsoft
> for folks using a Vista beta to be able to purchase
> an Upgrade version of Vista and install it on top of
> their Vista beta. Numerous posters were told they would
> have to buy the full version. Wrong.
>
> [url]http://windowsvistablog.com/blogs/windowsvista/archive/2007/04/24/windows-vista-beta-2-rc1-and-rc2-set-to-expire.aspx[/url]
>
> <quote>
> There are no product discounts specifically for participants in the Customer Preview Program;
> however, because you are using a pre-release version of Windows Vista Ultimate, you can
> purchase and use the Upgrade version of Windows Vista.
> </quote>
>
>
>
> -Michael[/color]

According to several posts and articles by reliable reporters, you can do
a new install with an upgrade pack anyway.

Best thing to do is wipe your machine clean of Vista and install XP back on.
Then you are good to go


"MICHAEL" <u158627_emr2@dslr.net> wrote in message
news:OZi%23ox3hHHA.1220@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...[color=blue]
>I don't know how many times I've seen those who
> claim to know WTF they are talking about, say
> that it is not "legal" or allowed by Microsoft
> for folks using a Vista beta to be able to purchase
> an Upgrade version of Vista and install it on top of
> their Vista beta. Numerous posters were told they would
> have to buy the full version. Wrong.
>
> [url]http://windowsvistablog.com/blogs/windowsvista/archive/2007/04/24/windows-vista-beta-2-rc1-and-rc2-set-to-expire.aspx[/url]
>
> <quote>
> There are no product discounts specifically for participants in the
> Customer Preview Program; however, because you are using a pre-release
> version of Windows Vista Ultimate, you can purchase and use the Upgrade
> version of Windows Vista.
> </quote>
>
>
>
> -Michael[/color]

I did a clean install of Vista and I would never go back to XP. This thing
purrs like a kitten.


"Bill Yanaire" <BillYanaire@viceman.com> wrote in message
news:e07S3I4hHHA.3512@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...[color=blue]
> Best thing to do is wipe your machine clean of Vista and install XP back
> on. Then you are good to go
>
>
> "MICHAEL" <u158627_emr2@dslr.net> wrote in message
> news:OZi%23ox3hHHA.1220@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...[color=green]
>>I don't know how many times I've seen those who
>> claim to know WTF they are talking about, say
>> that it is not "legal" or allowed by Microsoft
>> for folks using a Vista beta to be able to purchase
>> an Upgrade version of Vista and install it on top of
>> their Vista beta. Numerous posters were told they would
>> have to buy the full version. Wrong.
>>
>> [url]http://windowsvistablog.com/blogs/windowsvista/archive/2007/04/24/windows-vista-beta-2-rc1-and-rc2-set-to-expire.aspx[/url]
>>
>> <quote>
>> There are no product discounts specifically for participants in the
>> Customer Preview Program; however, because you are using a pre-release
>> version of Windows Vista Ultimate, you can purchase and use the Upgrade
>> version of Windows Vista.
>> </quote>
>>
>>
>>
>> -Michael[/color]
>
>[/color]

ray wrote:[color=blue]
> On Wed, 25 Apr 2007 16:57:54 -0400, MICHAEL wrote:
>[color=green]
>> I don't know how many times I've seen those who
>> claim to know WTF they are talking about, say
>> that it is not "legal" or allowed by Microsoft
>> for folks using a Vista beta to be able to purchase
>> an Upgrade version of Vista and install it on top of
>> their Vista beta. Numerous posters were told they would
>> have to buy the full version. Wrong.
>>
>> [url]http://windowsvistablog.com/blogs/windowsvista/archive/2007/04/24/windows-vista-beta-2-rc1-and-rc2-set-to-expire.aspx[/url]
>>
>> <quote>
>> There are no product discounts specifically for participants in the Customer Preview Program;
>> however, because you are using a pre-release version of Windows Vista Ultimate, you can
>> purchase and use the Upgrade version of Windows Vista.
>> </quote>[/color]
>
> According to several posts and articles by reliable reporters, you can do
> a new install with an upgrade pack anyway.[/color]


Yes, I know that. However, my point, is that beta versions of
Vista were not supposed to qualify for an upgrade version-
so we were told by those in the know.
That question was asked many times in this forum right before
and after Vista's release. A lot of those beta users were told
they would have to purchase the full version. First, it was that
the upgrade version wouldn't work at all on a beta version, and
then it was because it was supposedly not allowed.

It is a shame that this type of confirmation did not
come out sooner. It is also a shame that some users just think
they know everything and told beta testers the wrong information,
as if it was an absolute.



-Michael

So you're the guy that Vista works well with !


"Mellowed" <nospam@spam.com> wrote in message
news:e3QXh.4477$A72.1321@trnddc07...[color=blue]
>
> I did a clean install of Vista and I would never go back to XP. This
> thing purrs like a kitten.
>
>
> "Bill Yanaire" <BillYanaire@viceman.com> wrote in message
> news:e07S3I4hHHA.3512@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...[color=green]
>> Best thing to do is wipe your machine clean of Vista and install XP back
>> on. Then you are good to go
>>
>>
>> "MICHAEL" <u158627_emr2@dslr.net> wrote in message
>> news:OZi%23ox3hHHA.1220@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...[color=darkred]
>>>I don't know how many times I've seen those who
>>> claim to know WTF they are talking about, say
>>> that it is not "legal" or allowed by Microsoft
>>> for folks using a Vista beta to be able to purchase
>>> an Upgrade version of Vista and install it on top of
>>> their Vista beta. Numerous posters were told they would
>>> have to buy the full version. Wrong.
>>>
>>> [url]http://windowsvistablog.com/blogs/windowsvista/archive/2007/04/24/windows-vista-beta-2-rc1-and-rc2-set-to-expire.aspx[/url]
>>>
>>> <quote>
>>> There are no product discounts specifically for participants in the
>>> Customer Preview Program; however, because you are using a pre-release
>>> version of Windows Vista Ultimate, you can purchase and use the Upgrade
>>> version of Windows Vista.
>>> </quote>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -Michael[/color]
>>
>>[/color]
>[/color]

Vista works well for me on three different machines.
However, I am certainly not overly impressed.
Even though Vista works fine, so did WinXP, and I
find it hard to really put a finger on why moving to
Vista is really worth it.


-Michael


Bill Yanaire wrote:[color=blue]
> So you're the guy that Vista works well with !
>
>
> "Mellowed" <nospam@spam.com> wrote in message
> news:e3QXh.4477$A72.1321@trnddc07...[color=green]
>> I did a clean install of Vista and I would never go back to XP. This
>> thing purrs like a kitten.
>>
>>
>> "Bill Yanaire" <BillYanaire@viceman.com> wrote in message
>> news:e07S3I4hHHA.3512@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...[color=darkred]
>>> Best thing to do is wipe your machine clean of Vista and install XP back
>>> on. Then you are good to go
>>>
>>>
>>> "MICHAEL" <u158627_emr2@dslr.net> wrote in message
>>> news:OZi%23ox3hHHA.1220@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>>> I don't know how many times I've seen those who
>>>> claim to know WTF they are talking about, say
>>>> that it is not "legal" or allowed by Microsoft
>>>> for folks using a Vista beta to be able to purchase
>>>> an Upgrade version of Vista and install it on top of
>>>> their Vista beta. Numerous posters were told they would
>>>> have to buy the full version. Wrong.
>>>>
>>>> [url]http://windowsvistablog.com/blogs/windowsvista/archive/2007/04/24/windows-vista-beta-2-rc1-and-rc2-set-to-expire.aspx[/url]
>>>>
>>>> <quote>
>>>> There are no product discounts specifically for participants in the
>>>> Customer Preview Program; however, because you are using a pre-release
>>>> version of Windows Vista Ultimate, you can purchase and use the Upgrade
>>>> version of Windows Vista.
>>>> </quote>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -Michael
>>>[/color][/color]
>
>[/color]

since the NEW policy was just announced YESTERDAY, anything that was posted saying you could not before yesterday was NOT a lie.



[email]mikeyhsd@comcast.net[/email]



"MICHAEL" <u158627_emr2@dslr.net> wrote in message news:OZi%23ox3hHHA.1220@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
I don't know how many times I've seen those who
claim to know WTF they are talking about, say
that it is not "legal" or allowed by Microsoft
for folks using a Vista beta to be able to purchase
an Upgrade version of Vista and install it on top of
their Vista beta. Numerous posters were told they would
have to buy the full version. Wrong.

[url]http://windowsvistablog.com/blogs/windowsvista/archive/2007/04/24/windows-vista-beta-2-rc1-and-rc2-set-to-expire.aspx[/url]

<quote>
There are no product discounts specifically for participants in the Customer Preview Program;
however, because you are using a pre-release version of Windows Vista Ultimate, you can
purchase and use the Upgrade version of Windows Vista.
</quote>



-Michael

Michael

Don't be too critical with people who previously posted that information.
Their comments were based on how Microsoft had handled previous operating
system beta and CPP programs.

The information that Nick posted on the blog is a result of 'very' recent
decisions by Microsoft due to the feedback they have been receiving in
recent months from beta testers and CPP participants.

The really good thing, just like with the early licensing issues, is that it
shows that they are listening. :)
--

Ronnie Vernon
Microsoft MVP
Windows Shell/User


"MICHAEL" <u158627_emr2@dslr.net> wrote in message
news:OZi%23ox3hHHA.1220@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...[color=blue]
>I don't know how many times I've seen those who
> claim to know WTF they are talking about, say
> that it is not "legal" or allowed by Microsoft
> for folks using a Vista beta to be able to purchase
> an Upgrade version of Vista and install it on top of
> their Vista beta. Numerous posters were told they would
> have to buy the full version. Wrong.
>
> [url]http://windowsvistablog.com/blogs/windowsvista/archive/2007/04/24/windows-vista-beta-2-rc1-and-rc2-set-to-expire.aspx[/url]
>
> <quote>
> There are no product discounts specifically for participants in the
> Customer Preview Program; however, because you are using a pre-release
> version of Windows Vista Ultimate, you can purchase and use the Upgrade
> version of Windows Vista.
> </quote>
>
>
>
> -Michael[/color]

I see no mention of the words "NEW policy".

Why didn't they announce this "NEW policy"
4, 3, 2, 1 month(s) ago? Sure would have made
a lot more sense, and more than likely, saved some
beta users quite a few bucks.

Read this quote from Nick White (a Vista Product Manager), again:
<quote>
There are no product discounts specifically for participants in the Customer Preview Program;
however, because you are using a pre-release version of Windows Vista Ultimate, you can
purchase and use the Upgrade version of Windows Vista.
</quote>

Nick says it like it's always been that way.


-Michael

mikeyhsd wrote:[color=blue]
> since the NEW policy was just announced YESTERDAY, anything that was posted saying you could not before yesterday was NOT a lie.
>
>
>
> [email]mikeyhsd@comcast.net[/email]
>
>
>
> "MICHAEL" <u158627_emr2@dslr.net> wrote in message news:OZi%23ox3hHHA.1220@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
> I don't know how many times I've seen those who
> claim to know WTF they are talking about, say
> that it is not "legal" or allowed by Microsoft
> for folks using a Vista beta to be able to purchase
> an Upgrade version of Vista and install it on top of
> their Vista beta. Numerous posters were told they would
> have to buy the full version. Wrong.
>
> [url]http://windowsvistablog.com/blogs/windowsvista/archive/2007/04/24/windows-vista-beta-2-rc1-and-rc2-set-to-expire.aspx[/url]
>
> <quote>
> There are no product discounts specifically for participants in the Customer Preview Program;
> however, because you are using a pre-release version of Windows Vista Ultimate, you can
> purchase and use the Upgrade version of Windows Vista.
> </quote>
>
>
>
> -Michael[/color]

Blogs that those of us who are retail purchasers and users but are not
Microsoft blog enthusiasts, might expect Microsoft to report in a more
forthright manner, with some pre-planning (!) in fact, about these matters.
Vista has been hurt, in my opinion, by the constant "you must purchase a
full version" and "there is no install-over-top option like there was in XP"
and other tales; I don't infer anything malicious, just misguided in the
absence of anything from Microsoft for clarity. This has been one badly
handled release when it comes to licensing. I did the "anytime upgrade" to
Ultimate; even though I couldn't stand the "move once to a new machine but
never again" EULA. Then somewhere I see someone's BLOG that the restriction
has been rewritten; so I go to the EULA .pdf files and re-read for changes.
Nothing has ever changed. Perhaps it has by now; I doubt it. I hope I
still have links for these messages from MS bloggers that belong in official
MS documentation.

I wonder how many posts there were in the *.vista newsgroups over the months
that this-and-that were not possible, and they were all along. Perhaps some
apologies are in order. MVP's who don't know, shouldn't proffer advice.
BLOGgers who know but don't see to it that official MS information isn't
updated are just as wrong.

"Just my opinion." Bill Halvorsen


"Ronnie Vernon MVP" <rv@invalid.org> wrote in message
news:3BE6F344-6E22-4DCB-8995-E68F0D84DAE3@microsoft.com...[color=blue]
> Michael
>
> Don't be too critical with people who previously posted that information.
> Their comments were based on how Microsoft had handled previous operating
> system beta and CPP programs.
>
> The information that Nick posted on the blog is a result of 'very' recent
> decisions by Microsoft due to the feedback they have been receiving in
> recent months from beta testers and CPP participants.
>
> The really good thing, just like with the early licensing issues, is that
> it shows that they are listening. :)
> --
>
> Ronnie Vernon
> Microsoft MVP
> Windows Shell/User
>
>
> "MICHAEL" <u158627_emr2@dslr.net> wrote in message
> news:OZi%23ox3hHHA.1220@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...[color=green]
>>I don't know how many times I've seen those who
>> claim to know WTF they are talking about, say
>> that it is not "legal" or allowed by Microsoft
>> for folks using a Vista beta to be able to purchase
>> an Upgrade version of Vista and install it on top of
>> their Vista beta. Numerous posters were told they would
>> have to buy the full version. Wrong.
>>
>> [url]http://windowsvistablog.com/blogs/windowsvista/archive/2007/04/24/windows-vista-beta-2-rc1-and-rc2-set-to-expire.aspx[/url]
>>
>> <quote>
>> There are no product discounts specifically for participants in the
>> Customer Preview Program; however, because you are using a pre-release
>> version of Windows Vista Ultimate, you can purchase and use the Upgrade
>> version of Windows Vista.
>> </quote>
>>
>>
>>
>> -Michael[/color]
>[/color]

yeah it purrs all the time.. the hard drive keeps purring 24 / 7 even when
the computer is not in use..


lol....



"Mellowed" <nospam@spam.com> wrote in message
news:e3QXh.4477$A72.1321@trnddc07...[color=blue]
>
> I did a clean install of Vista and I would never go back to XP. This
> thing purrs like a kitten.
>
>
> "Bill Yanaire" <BillYanaire@viceman.com> wrote in message
> news:e07S3I4hHHA.3512@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...[color=green]
>> Best thing to do is wipe your machine clean of Vista and install XP back
>> on. Then you are good to go
>>
>>
>> "MICHAEL" <u158627_emr2@dslr.net> wrote in message
>> news:OZi%23ox3hHHA.1220@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...[color=darkred]
>>>I don't know how many times I've seen those who
>>> claim to know WTF they are talking about, say
>>> that it is not "legal" or allowed by Microsoft
>>> for folks using a Vista beta to be able to purchase
>>> an Upgrade version of Vista and install it on top of
>>> their Vista beta. Numerous posters were told they would
>>> have to buy the full version. Wrong.
>>>
>>> [url]http://windowsvistablog.com/blogs/windowsvista/archive/2007/04/24/windows-vista-beta-2-rc1-and-rc2-set-to-expire.aspx[/url]
>>>
>>> <quote>
>>> There are no product discounts specifically for participants in the
>>> Customer Preview Program; however, because you are using a pre-release
>>> version of Windows Vista Ultimate, you can purchase and use the Upgrade
>>> version of Windows Vista.
>>> </quote>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -Michael[/color]
>>
>>[/color]
>[/color]

Ronnie Vernon MVP wrote:[color=blue]
> Michael
>
> Don't be too critical with people who previously posted that
> information. Their comments were based on how Microsoft had handled
> previous operating system beta and CPP programs.
>
> The information that Nick posted on the blog is a result of 'very'
> recent decisions by Microsoft due to the feedback they have been
> receiving in recent months from beta testers and CPP participants.
>
> The really good thing, just like with the early licensing issues, is
> that it shows that they are listening. :)[/color]

Ronnie,

I agree with your last sentence. Unless, this decision
had already been decided upon awhile back, but no one decided
to let anyone know. That's just wrong.

Two things:
Those users who were told no you can't do
that. Many of them probably went out and bought
the full version. That's not right.

There were a few users who stated that they had indeed
used an upgrade version on their Vista beta and were
called out for it... comments about their character and
honesty.

Instead of stating things as absolutes, there may be times
when saying "I'm/we're not sure" is better.
Microsoft actually communicating important information
in a timely manner would be the best thing. I certainly
won't hold my breath.

What really pisses me off, I lied, too. I told a friend
and one user in this forum that they had to buy the full
version because that is what I had read in this forum-
that was the "allowed" way to migrate to Vista RTM.
Silly me for being so ignorant.


Take care,

Michael

You nailed it, Bill.


-Michael

Non-entity wrote:[color=blue]
> Blogs that those of us who are retail purchasers and users but are not
> Microsoft blog enthusiasts, might expect Microsoft to report in a more
> forthright manner, with some pre-planning (!) in fact, about these
> matters. Vista has been hurt, in my opinion, by the constant "you must
> purchase a full version" and "there is no install-over-top option like
> there was in XP" and other tales; I don't infer anything malicious, just
> misguided in the absence of anything from Microsoft for clarity. This
> has been one badly handled release when it comes to licensing. I did
> the "anytime upgrade" to Ultimate; even though I couldn't stand the
> "move once to a new machine but never again" EULA. Then somewhere I see
> someone's BLOG that the restriction has been rewritten; so I go to the
> EULA .pdf files and re-read for changes. Nothing has ever changed.
> Perhaps it has by now; I doubt it. I hope I still have links for these
> messages from MS bloggers that belong in official MS documentation.
>
> I wonder how many posts there were in the *.vista newsgroups over the
> months that this-and-that were not possible, and they were all along.
> Perhaps some apologies are in order. MVP's who don't know, shouldn't
> proffer advice. BLOGgers who know but don't see to it that official MS
> information isn't updated are just as wrong.
>
> "Just my opinion." Bill Halvorsen
>
>
> "Ronnie Vernon MVP" <rv@invalid.org> wrote in message
> news:3BE6F344-6E22-4DCB-8995-E68F0D84DAE3@microsoft.com...[color=green]
>> Michael
>>
>> Don't be too critical with people who previously posted that
>> information. Their comments were based on how Microsoft had handled
>> previous operating system beta and CPP programs.
>>
>> The information that Nick posted on the blog is a result of 'very'
>> recent decisions by Microsoft due to the feedback they have been
>> receiving in recent months from beta testers and CPP participants.
>>
>> The really good thing, just like with the early licensing issues, is
>> that it shows that they are listening. :)
>> --
>>
>> Ronnie Vernon
>> Microsoft MVP
>> Windows Shell/User
>>
>>
>> "MICHAEL" <u158627_emr2@dslr.net> wrote in message
>> news:OZi%23ox3hHHA.1220@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...[color=darkred]
>>> I don't know how many times I've seen those who
>>> claim to know WTF they are talking about, say
>>> that it is not "legal" or allowed by Microsoft
>>> for folks using a Vista beta to be able to purchase
>>> an Upgrade version of Vista and install it on top of
>>> their Vista beta. Numerous posters were told they would
>>> have to buy the full version. Wrong.
>>>
>>> [url]http://windowsvistablog.com/blogs/windowsvista/archive/2007/04/24/windows-vista-beta-2-rc1-and-rc2-set-to-expire.aspx[/url]
>>>
>>>
>>> <quote>
>>> There are no product discounts specifically for participants in the
>>> Customer Preview Program; however, because you are using a
>>> pre-release version of Windows Vista Ultimate, you can purchase and
>>> use the Upgrade version of Windows Vista.
>>> </quote>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -Michael[/color]
>>[/color]
>
>[/color]