No, he's poking a troll with a stick....


"Jay Somerset" <jay-1941-********.com> wrote in message
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> On Sun, 22 Apr 2007 12:56:28 -0400, "Richard Urban"
> <richardurbanREMOVETHIS********.com> wrote:
>[color=green]
>> I spent about 45 minutes this morning loading Ubunto 7.04 on my computer.
>> I
>> can't do **anything** with it.
>>
>> As Ubuntu loads by default:
>>
>> I can't load/run Office 2007
>>
>> I can't load/run AutoCAD, any version
>>
>> I can't load/run Visio 2007
>>
>> I can't do *****ANYTHING***** that I can do in Windows 2000, Windows XP
>> or
>> Vista.
>>
>> What good is Linsux?
>>
>> And don't tell me there are substitutes that run in Linsux. I want the
>> above
>> three programs to run on Linsux as Linsux installs by default.
>>
>> No wonder Linsux is years away from being a desktop replacement. All it
>> is
>> good for is surfing the web and getting email. (-:[/color]
>
> Either you're an idiot, or it's a poor excuse for a troll.
>
> If I were to believe that you are really serious, then I would have to
> class
> you as a person who buys a diesel-engined car, and then screams and yells
> when he finds out that not all gas stations sell diesel fuel.[/color]

On Sun, 22 Apr 2007 15:12:23 -0500, Adam Albright wrote:
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> On Sun, 22 Apr 2007 13:38:14 -0600, ray <ray@zianet.com> wrote:
>[color=green]
>>On Sun, 22 Apr 2007 12:56:28 -0400, Richard Urban wrote:
>>[color=darkred]
>>> I spent about 45 minutes this morning loading Ubunto 7.04 on my computer. I
>>> can't do **anything** with it.
>>>
>>> As Ubuntu loads by default:
>>>
>>> I can't load/run Office 2007[/color]
>>
>>You certainly can, via WINE. But there is no need to: OpenOffice is
>>included.
>>[color=darkred]
>>>
>>> I can't load/run AutoCAD, any version[/color]
>>
>>Probably you can, via WINE. But there is no need to: there are several
>>good native Linux CAD programs.
>>[color=darkred]
>>>
>>> I can't load/run Visio 2007
>>>
>>> I can't do *****ANYTHING***** that I can do in Windows 2000, Windows XP or
>>> Vista.
>>>
>>> What good is Linsux?
>>>
>>> And don't tell me there are substitutes that run in Linsux. I want the above
>>> three programs to run on Linsux as Linsux installs by default.[/color]
>>
>>Then install WINE, and do it.
>>
>>[color=darkred]
>>>
>>> No wonder Linsux is years away from being a desktop replacement. All it is
>>> good for is surfing the web and getting email. (-:[/color]
>>
>>Linux is not designed to be another MS version - it is designed to be a
>>stable reliable OS, and it is. It has native apps available that do 99% of
>>what folks need to do.[/color]
>
>
> That isn't being totally honest. While Linux offers many SIMILAR
> applications to what can be found that run under Windows, even mocking
> the Windows desktop layout, even improving on it in some respects in
> some flavors of Linux, the sad part is the top of the line developers
> that account for 95% of all quality software do NOT develop for Linux.
> Simple Reason. NO MARKET.[/color]

Why should you care where it comes from? What you need is not specific
software products, it is the functionality.
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>
> So if you are happy with knocked off watered down versions of common
> software products or have no need for professional grade software,
> Linux, regardless of flavor may be fine for your limited needs.[/color]

That would suit the NEEDS of about 99% of computer users, though I do not
agree e.g. that OpenOffice is a 'watered down version' of MS Office. It is
every bit as good and in many respects superior. If you insist on paying
for your software then SUN will be glad to sell you essentially the same
software for about $65/seat rather than $350/seat.
[color=blue]
>
> However, if you need powerful applications designed for and by
> professionals to do professional grade work, Linux, except for a
> handful of exceptions is seriously lacking and the number one reason
> it hasn't and won't get a serious foothold until that changes and
> Microsoft knows that all too well.[/color]

I disagree. I did scientific software support and development for DOD for
30 years. I did it on RSX, I did it on VAX/VMS, I did it on Ultrix, and I
did it on Linux. I did NOT do it on MS for one simple reason. MS was not
good enough.
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>
> I know... I've looked and been looking for years. Over 80% of what
> software I use for video editing has nothing close to it on the Linux
> platform. So I would either have to settle for mickey mouse crap I
> simply refuse to use since I won't comprosize quality or try to get
> Windows software to run under a hack like WINE, which for something
> like video editing is way more trouble than it is worth in the attempt
> and again I've tried.[/color]

That's one niche market. I'm not claiming that Linux is superior for
everything and the solution for everyone. 99% of computer users are not
doing professional video editing.

On Sun, 22 Apr 2007 15:42:19 -0400, Richard Urban wrote:
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> Why dump thousands of dollars of programs that I have purchased to use a
> free operating system. That is not cost effective.[/color]

It will be when you fork out for all the upgrades.

On Sun, 22 Apr 2007 21:02:13 +0100, Scotty© wrote:
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>
> "Alias" <aka@masked&anonymous.bg> wrote in message
> news:f0geh0$6l1$6@aioe.org...[color=green]
>> Richard Urban wrote:[color=darkred]
>>> Why dump thousands of dollars of programs that I have purchased to use a
>>> free operating system. That is not cost effective.
>>>[/color]
>>
>> Don't. Please. Stay with Windows. What gives you the idea anyone cares
>> whether you take advantage of a real OS instead of Windows which is in its
>> last throes before disappearing into the sunset?[/color]
>
> so if linux is soooo friggin good...why are you posting your inane drivell
> like some irksome piss stain?[/color]

Perhaps you should look at all the FUD being slung into the
comp.os.linux.advocacy group and ask yourself the same question.

On Sun, 22 Apr 2007 17:41:19 -0400, "Mike Hall" <mikehall@mvps.org>
wrote:
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>They say that it takes one to know one.. how about recanting the complete
>history of Windows for us.. thats always fun..[/color]

How about you just once act like an adult or are you really just a 12
year old kid like you always act?

On Sun, 22 Apr 2007 17:42:02 -0400, "Mike Hall" <mikehall@mvps.org>
wrote:
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>Alias
>
>Not at all.. I just find you funny..[/color]

You're not here to be amused, you're suppose to be helping people.
REMEMBER that's why you begged to be a MVP. You also agreed as part of
the condition to getting those three little meaningless letters behind
your name that you and other blowhards seem to crave to feed your ego
was you as part of the deal promised to follow guidlines which include
not being rude to the very customers you're suppose to be helping.

Seems you're not very good at following rules you agreed to.

Which begs the question WHY hasn't Microsoft kicked your sorry ass out
of the program?

One doesn't beg to be an MVP..


"Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message
news:0nrn239ljhsumf1hlnnq1h6963hrgt243b@4ax.com...[color=blue]
> On Sun, 22 Apr 2007 17:42:02 -0400, "Mike Hall" <mikehall@mvps.org>
> wrote:
>[color=green]
>>Alias
>>
>>Not at all.. I just find you funny..[/color]
>
> You're not here to be amused, you're suppose to be helping people.
> REMEMBER that's why you begged to be a MVP. You also agreed as part of
> the condition to getting those three little meaningless letters behind
> your name that you and other blowhards seem to crave to feed your ego
> was you as part of the deal promised to follow guidlines which include
> not being rude to the very customers you're suppose to be helping.
>
> Seems you're not very good at following rules you agreed to.
>
> Which begs the question WHY hasn't Microsoft kicked your sorry ass out
> of the program?
>[/color]

--


Mike Hall
MS MVP Windows Shell/User
[url]http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/[/url]

Nina DiBoy wrote:[color=blue]
> Mike Hall - MS MVP wrote:[color=green]
>> Alias
>>
>> Had you done research, your transition period would have long been
>> over.. lol..
>>[/color]
>
> Mike must be saying this because he knows this from experience.
> Obviously Mike has transitioned from Windows to Ubuntu...
>
> Or he's just speaking out his arse![/color]

What our good old MVP Mike doesn't know is that the transition is nearly
as complete as XP was. To get a printer, scanner and fax working is just
a matter of buying the hardware and installing the software provided
with Ubuntu. Frankly, I just haven't gotten around to doing it. I can do
everything else I need with it but, like any new OS, it's a continually
learning experience.

How these boys think they won some kind of debating brownie point with
this only reveals their utter desperation due to their frustration with
the fact that Linux is free; can be installed on multiple computers and
has no activation/genuine/DRM hoops to jump through. What really gets
them, though, is that people who read this just might throw up their
hands due to their frustration with Windows and visit [url]www.ubuntu.com[/url] and
that their repair tech future may be seriously jeopardized by people
switching to an OS with real security on the Net.

Alias[color=blue]
>[color=green]
>>
>> "Alias" <aka@masked&anonymous.bg> wrote in message
>> news:f0g4m6$9u4$3@aioe.org...[color=darkred]
>>> Richard Urban wrote:
>>>> I spent about 45 minutes this morning loading Ubunto 7.04 on my
>>>> computer. I can't do **anything** with it.
>>>>
>>>> As Ubuntu loads by default:
>>>>
>>>> I can't load/run Office 2007
>>>
>>> A plus, although there are ways to run that bloatware in Linux. Do
>>> your research or ask on an appropriate newsgroup or IRC group.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> I can't load/run AutoCAD, any version
>>>
>>> Maybe you need to do more research.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> I can't load/run Visio 2007
>>>
>>> Maybe you need to do more research.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> I can't do *****ANYTHING***** that I can do in Windows 2000, Windows
>>>> XP or Vista.
>>>>
>>>> What good is Linsux?
>>>>
>>>> And don't tell me there are substitutes that run in Linsux. I want
>>>> the above three programs to run on Linsux as Linsux installs by
>>>> default.
>>>
>>> Try asking on a Linux newsgroup or IRC group.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> No wonder Linsux is years away from being a desktop replacement.
>>>> All it is good for is surfing the web and getting email. (-:
>>>
>>> False but you know that, don't you? Or do you?
>>>
>>> Alias[/color]
>>[/color]
>
>
>[/color]

Richard Urban wrote:
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> I spent about 45 minutes this morning loading Ubunto 7.04 on my computer.
> I can't do **anything** with it.
>
> As Ubuntu loads by default:
>
> I can't load/run Office 2007
>
> I can't load/run AutoCAD, any version
>
> I can't load/run Visio 2007
>
> I can't do *****ANYTHING***** that I can do in Windows 2000, Windows XP or
> Vista.
>
> What good is Linsux?
>
> And don't tell me there are substitutes that run in Linsux. I want the
> above three programs to run on Linsux as Linsux installs by default.
>
> No wonder Linsux is years away from being a desktop replacement. All it
> is
> good for is surfing the web and getting email. (-:
>
>[/color]
Only a Wintard would want to run software written for one operating system
to run on a completely different operating system. Man, are you fscking
stupid! If you want to run Windoze bloatware then run Windoze. If you want
to run OPEN and great Linux software, then run Linux.

Love and Kisses,
Doris

--
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Get SP3 for XP here! .... [url]http://tinyurl.com/374p49[/url]
Title Says It All ... [url]http://tinyurl.com/2ssodl[/url]

Adam Albright wrote:

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>
> That isn't being totally honest. While Linux offers many SIMILAR
> applications to what can be found that run under Windows, even mocking
> the Windows desktop layout, even improving on it in some respects in
> some flavors of Linux, the sad part is the top of the line developers
> that account for 95% of all quality software do NOT develop for Linux.
> Simple Reason. NO MARKET.
>
> So if you are happy with knocked off watered down versions of common
> software products or have no need for professional grade software,
> Linux, regardless of flavor may be fine for your limited needs.
>[/color]
So speaks another Wintard. Linux apps don't try to be Windows apps you
fscking idiot. They are Linux apps and run just fine, thank you. A few
examples are Amarok, which beats anything in the Windoze world and K3b,
which is a great DVD/CD burning app. There are many many more such apps.
And they don't limit ones use of his/her computer at all. In fact, they
enhance both the user experience and the power one can get from ones
computer.

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> However, if you need powerful applications designed for and by
> professionals to do professional grade work, Linux, except for a
> handful of exceptions is seriously lacking and the number one reason
> it hasn't and won't get a serious foothold until that changes and
> Microsoft knows that all too well.
>[/color]
"professionals" hahaha ... like the Wintards like you? Now that's funny.
[color=blue]
> I know... I've looked and been looking for years. Over 80% of what
> software I use for video editing has nothing close to it on the Linux
> platform. So I would either have to settle for mickey mouse crap I
> simply refuse to use since I won't comprosize quality or try to get
> Windows software to run under a hack like WINE, which for something
> like video editing is way more trouble than it is worth in the attempt
> and again I've tried.[/color]

You obviously didn't try hard enough. The "professional" Hollywood studios
use Linux to create their magic. Funny that a "professional" like you can't
get away from Windoze to do your video editing tasks. You sure are lame.

Love and Kisses,
Doris


--
My Microsoft Hero (he loves this company!) ... [url]http://tinyurl.com/yp9cn2[/url]
Get SP3 for XP here! .... [url]http://tinyurl.com/374p49[/url]
Title Says It All ... [url]http://tinyurl.com/2ssodl[/url]

"Richard Urban" <richardurbanREMOVETHIS********.com> wrote in
news:us#rYZRhHHA.596@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl:
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> Why dump thousands of dollars of programs that I have purchased to use a
> free operating system. That is not cost effective.[/color]

By the same token Richard, why not save thousands of dollars in the future.

Mike Hall wrote:
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> One doesn't beg to be an MVP..
>[/color]
Only an idiot would beg to have that silly designation. But being a
Windblows Fanboy must help one obtain the "ranking".

Love and Kisses,
Doris

Still top posting I see. Not only are you an idiot, but you also don't
understand Usenet.
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>
> "Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message
> news:0nrn239ljhsumf1hlnnq1h6963hrgt243b@4ax.com...[color=green]
>> On Sun, 22 Apr 2007 17:42:02 -0400, "Mike Hall" <mikehall@mvps.org>
>> wrote:
>>[color=darkred]
>>>Alias
>>>
>>>Not at all.. I just find you funny..[/color]
>>
>> You're not here to be amused, you're suppose to be helping people.
>> REMEMBER that's why you begged to be a MVP. You also agreed as part of
>> the condition to getting those three little meaningless letters behind
>> your name that you and other blowhards seem to crave to feed your ego
>> was you as part of the deal promised to follow guidlines which include
>> not being rude to the very customers you're suppose to be helping.
>>
>> Seems you're not very good at following rules you agreed to.
>>
>> Which begs the question WHY hasn't Microsoft kicked your sorry ass out
>> of the program?
>>[/color]
>[/color]

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Get SP3 for XP here! .... [url]http://tinyurl.com/374p49[/url]
Title Says It All ... [url]http://tinyurl.com/2ssodl[/url]

Adam Albright wrote:
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> On Sun, 22 Apr 2007 21:48:53 +0200, Alias <aka@masked&anonymous.bg>
> wrote:
>[color=green]
>>Mike Hall - MS MVP wrote:[color=darkred]
>>> Too funny..[/color]
>>
>>Feeling smug and superior again, Mike?
>>[/color]
>
> When doesn't Mike Hall act superior?
>
> That guy is a class A jerk.[/color]

Hey, I like Mikey. He's almost as obnoxious as Ballmer, his hero. That must
be one of the merit badges required to be a MVP. Urban displays the same
characteristics and wannabe MVPs like Frankie Boy follow suit.

Love and Kisses,
Doris

--
My Microsoft Hero (he loves this company!) ... [url]http://tinyurl.com/yp9cn2[/url]
Get SP3 for XP here! .... [url]http://tinyurl.com/374p49[/url]
Title Says It All ... [url]http://tinyurl.com/2ssodl[/url]

Otto Normalverbraucher wrote:
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> Richard Urban wrote:[color=green]
>> Why should I? They can't place in the Ubuntu install that which isn't
>> there.
>>
>> My experiment is over. Ubuntu is crap.
>>[/color]
>
> Had I known about it I would have installed it on the machine I gave to
> my elderly parents.
> They use a computer for buying in the groceries, email, writing the odd
> letter & buying presents from Amazon :-)
> So Ubuntu will do all of that & i'd have saved myself the cost of an XP
> license.
>
> Except now my Dad has discovered flight simulators & Flight Sim X is his
> new toy, so I am glad I put XP on cos i'd probably be doing so for him
> at some point.[/color]

An even better Open Source flight simulator exists for Linux ...

[url]http://www.flightgear.org/index.shtml[/url]

.... hey and it's free! Get the benefit of connecting to the Net with a
secure o/s like Ubuntu and still run a great flight simulator.

Love and Kisses,
Doris

--
My Microsoft Hero (he loves this company!) ... [url]http://tinyurl.com/yp9cn2[/url]
Get SP3 for XP here! .... [url]http://tinyurl.com/374p49[/url]
Title Says It All ... [url]http://tinyurl.com/2ssodl[/url]

"Richard Urban" <richardurbanREMOVETHIS********.com> wrote in message
news:us%23rYZRhHHA.596@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...[color=blue]
> Why dump thousands of dollars of programs that I have purchased to use a
> free operating system. That is not cost effective.[/color]

same reason you and MS expect people to buy all new hardware and software to
run Vista, which cost $400?

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