On Sun, 22 Apr 2007 13:38:14 -0600, ray <ray@zianet.com> wrote:
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>On Sun, 22 Apr 2007 12:56:28 -0400, Richard Urban wrote:
>[color=green]
>> I spent about 45 minutes this morning loading Ubunto 7.04 on my computer. I
>> can't do **anything** with it.
>>
>> As Ubuntu loads by default:
>>
>> I can't load/run Office 2007[/color]
>
>You certainly can, via WINE. But there is no need to: OpenOffice is
>included.
>[color=green]
>>
>> I can't load/run AutoCAD, any version[/color]
>
>Probably you can, via WINE. But there is no need to: there are several
>good native Linux CAD programs.
>[color=green]
>>
>> I can't load/run Visio 2007
>>
>> I can't do *****ANYTHING***** that I can do in Windows 2000, Windows XP or
>> Vista.
>>
>> What good is Linsux?
>>
>> And don't tell me there are substitutes that run in Linsux. I want the above
>> three programs to run on Linsux as Linsux installs by default.[/color]
>
>Then install WINE, and do it.
>
>[color=green]
>>
>> No wonder Linsux is years away from being a desktop replacement. All it is
>> good for is surfing the web and getting email. (-:[/color]
>
>Linux is not designed to be another MS version - it is designed to be a
>stable reliable OS, and it is. It has native apps available that do 99% of
>what folks need to do.[/color]


That isn't being totally honest. While Linux offers many SIMILAR
applications to what can be found that run under Windows, even mocking
the Windows desktop layout, even improving on it in some respects in
some flavors of Linux, the sad part is the top of the line developers
that account for 95% of all quality software do NOT develop for Linux.
Simple Reason. NO MARKET.

So if you are happy with knocked off watered down versions of common
software products or have no need for professional grade software,
Linux, regardless of flavor may be fine for your limited needs.

However, if you need powerful applications designed for and by
professionals to do professional grade work, Linux, except for a
handful of exceptions is seriously lacking and the number one reason
it hasn't and won't get a serious foothold until that changes and
Microsoft knows that all too well.

I know... I've looked and been looking for years. Over 80% of what
software I use for video editing has nothing close to it on the Linux
platform. So I would either have to settle for mickey mouse crap I
simply refuse to use since I won't comprosize quality or try to get
Windows software to run under a hack like WINE, which for something
like video editing is way more trouble than it is worth in the attempt
and again I've tried.

"Alias" <aka@masked&anonymous.bg> wrote in message
news:f0gf8t$97c$3@aioe.org...[color=blue]
> Scotty© wrote:[color=green]
>>
>> "Alias" <aka@masked&anonymous.bg> wrote in message
>> news:f0geh0$6l1$6@aioe.org...[color=darkred]
>>> Richard Urban wrote:
>>>> Why dump thousands of dollars of programs that I have purchased to use
>>>> a free operating system. That is not cost effective.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Don't. Please. Stay with Windows. What gives you the idea anyone cares
>>> whether you take advantage of a real OS instead of Windows which is in
>>> its last throes before disappearing into the sunset?[/color]
>>
>> so if linux is soooo friggin good...why are you posting your inane
>> drivell like some irksome piss stain?[/color]
>
> If you have self control, don't read my posts. If you don't have self
> control, filter my posts out.[/color]

oh puleeeez...you can't even grasp the basics, why aren't you dwellin' in
the land of the penguin?...well? I tell you why..cos you are just on the
edge of coming out..g'wan admitt it you really wanna use vista but you're
too scared to admit it as your big girl image might be tainted in the distro
make believe world you live in...ooooh look there's an open source bum-ole
that needs filling now hitch up that little skirt up an run along..the
grown ups are chatting.
--
Scotty©

On Sun, 22 Apr 2007 21:48:53 +0200, Alias <aka@masked&anonymous.bg>
wrote:
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>Mike Hall - MS MVP wrote:[color=green]
>> Too funny..[/color]
>
>Feeling smug and superior again, Mike?
>[/color]

When doesn't Mike Hall act superior?

That guy is a class A jerk.

On Sun, 22 Apr 2007 22:07:54 +0200, Alias <aka@masked&anonymous.bg>
wrote:
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>Scotty© wrote:[color=green]
>>
>> "Alias" <aka@masked&anonymous.bg> wrote in message
>> news:f0geh0$6l1$6@aioe.org...[color=darkred]
>>> Richard Urban wrote:
>>>> Why dump thousands of dollars of programs that I have purchased to
>>>> use a free operating system. That is not cost effective.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Don't. Please. Stay with Windows. What gives you the idea anyone cares
>>> whether you take advantage of a real OS instead of Windows which is in
>>> its last throes before disappearing into the sunset?[/color]
>>
>> so if linux is soooo friggin good...why are you posting your inane
>> drivell like some irksome piss stain?[/color]
>
>If you have self control, don't read my posts. If you don't have self
>control, filter my posts out.
>
>Alias[/color]

I often read what you say, but rarely agree with what you say. While I
feel you have a right to share your views, even if this forum is poor
choice to share them in since saying what you say here in a Windows
support group, no doubt is seen by many as intrusive and in the end
counterproductive, if your goal is to win converts to your preferred
OS.

Richard Urban wrote:[color=blue]
> Why should I? They can't place in the Ubuntu install that which isn't
> there.
>
> My experiment is over. Ubuntu is crap.
>[/color]

Had I known about it I would have installed it on the machine I gave to
my elderly parents.
They use a computer for buying in the groceries, email, writing the odd
letter & buying presents from Amazon :-)
So Ubuntu will do all of that & i'd have saved myself the cost of an XP
license.

Except now my Dad has discovered flight simulators & Flight Sim X is his
new toy, so I am glad I put XP on cos i'd probably be doing so for him
at some point.

On Sun, 22 Apr 2007 16:11:44 -0400, "Richard Urban"
<richardurbanREMOVETHIS********.com> wrote:

[color=blue]
>I can't say I am 100% enthralled with Vista. I doubt that anyone honestly
>can. But it does what I want when I want it to. And, It installed fine on my
>4-5 year old hardware "as is". I didn't have to spend a dime on hardware. Of
>course, I had a system that was miles ahead of "marginal" when I was running
>Windows XP.[/color]

Say Richard, you think just once it would be possible for you to make
a comment without needing to inject your phony superiority? It is a
sure sign you are way more likely to have inferior knowledge and/or
experience if you must constantly try to remind everyone how "clever"
you think you are. This time by hinting your "system" is vastly
superior and far beyond that of what us mere mortals use.

Geez, you are suffering from a serious case of MVPism. A cronic
condition where some dope adds MVP behind his name and pretends he's
God's gift to mankind and who's computer skills he fancies to be
greater than Steve Jobs, Bill Gates and Linus Torvalds squared.

I don't think so.

ROTFLMAO!

Adam Albright wrote:
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> On Sun, 22 Apr 2007 16:11:44 -0400, "Richard Urban"
> <richardurbanREMOVETHIS********.com> wrote:
>
>[color=green]
>>I can't say I am 100% enthralled with Vista. I doubt that anyone honestly
>>can. But it does what I want when I want it to. And, It installed fine on
>>my 4-5 year old hardware "as is". I didn't have to spend a dime on
>>hardware. Of course, I had a system that was miles ahead of "marginal"
>>when I was running Windows XP.[/color]
>
> Say Richard, you think just once it would be possible for you to make
> a comment without needing to inject your phony superiority? It is a
> sure sign you are way more likely to have inferior knowledge and/or
> experience if you must constantly try to remind everyone how "clever"
> you think you are. This time by hinting your "system" is vastly
> superior and far beyond that of what us mere mortals use.[/color]

Umm Adam, what the heck are you talking about? Even I am scratching my head
in confusion here. Where exactly did he make any reference to other users
systems? I personally read his statement as his system being miles ahead of
what the requirements for Windows XP are. I don't anywhere see him refer to
your, mine, or any other users system.

--
Stephan
2003 Yamaha R6

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Mike Hall - MS MVP wrote:[color=blue]
> Alias
>
> Had you done research, your transition period would have long been
> over.. lol..
>[/color]

Mike must be saying this because he knows this from experience.
Obviously Mike has transitioned from Windows to Ubuntu...

Or he's just speaking out his arse!
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>
> "Alias" <aka@masked&anonymous.bg> wrote in message
> news:f0g4m6$9u4$3@aioe.org...[color=green]
>> Richard Urban wrote:[color=darkred]
>>> I spent about 45 minutes this morning loading Ubunto 7.04 on my
>>> computer. I can't do **anything** with it.
>>>
>>> As Ubuntu loads by default:
>>>
>>> I can't load/run Office 2007[/color]
>>
>> A plus, although there are ways to run that bloatware in Linux. Do
>> your research or ask on an appropriate newsgroup or IRC group.
>>[color=darkred]
>>>
>>> I can't load/run AutoCAD, any version[/color]
>>
>> Maybe you need to do more research.
>>[color=darkred]
>>>
>>> I can't load/run Visio 2007[/color]
>>
>> Maybe you need to do more research.
>>[color=darkred]
>>>
>>> I can't do *****ANYTHING***** that I can do in Windows 2000, Windows
>>> XP or Vista.
>>>
>>> What good is Linsux?
>>>
>>> And don't tell me there are substitutes that run in Linsux. I want
>>> the above three programs to run on Linsux as Linsux installs by default.[/color]
>>
>> Try asking on a Linux newsgroup or IRC group.
>>[color=darkred]
>>>
>>> No wonder Linsux is years away from being a desktop replacement. All
>>> it is good for is surfing the web and getting email. (-:[/color]
>>
>> False but you know that, don't you? Or do you?
>>
>> Alias[/color]
>[/color]



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They say that it takes one to know one.. how about recanting the complete
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"Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message
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> On Sun, 22 Apr 2007 21:48:53 +0200, Alias <aka@masked&anonymous.bg>
> wrote:
>[color=green]
>>Mike Hall - MS MVP wrote:[color=darkred]
>>> Too funny..[/color]
>>
>>Feeling smug and superior again, Mike?
>>[/color]
>
> When doesn't Mike Hall act superior?
>
> That guy is a class A jerk.
>[/color]

--


Mike Hall
MS MVP Windows Shell/User
[url]http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/[/url]

Alias

Not at all.. I just find you funny..


"Alias" <aka@masked&anonymous.bg> wrote in message
news:f0ge59$6l1$2@aioe.org...[color=blue]
> Mike Hall - MS MVP wrote:[color=green]
>> Too funny..[/color]
>
> Feeling smug and superior again, Mike?
>
> Alias[color=green]
>>
>>
>> "Alias" <aka@masked&anonymous.bg> wrote in message
>> news:f0g6c5$fuf$1@aioe.org...[color=darkred]
>>> Mike Hall - MS MVP wrote:
>>>> Alias
>>>>
>>>> Had you done research, your transition period would have long been
>>>> over.. lol..
>>>
>>> And the reason you think I am in a hurry is?
>>>
>>> Alias
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Alias" <aka@masked&anonymous.bg> wrote in message
>>>> news:f0g4m6$9u4$3@aioe.org...
>>>>> Richard Urban wrote:
>>>>>> I spent about 45 minutes this morning loading Ubunto 7.04 on my
>>>>>> computer. I can't do **anything** with it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As Ubuntu loads by default:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I can't load/run Office 2007
>>>>>
>>>>> A plus, although there are ways to run that bloatware in Linux. Do
>>>>> your research or ask on an appropriate newsgroup or IRC group.
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I can't load/run AutoCAD, any version
>>>>>
>>>>> Maybe you need to do more research.
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I can't load/run Visio 2007
>>>>>
>>>>> Maybe you need to do more research.
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I can't do *****ANYTHING***** that I can do in Windows 2000, Windows
>>>>>> XP or Vista.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What good is Linsux?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And don't tell me there are substitutes that run in Linsux. I want
>>>>>> the above three programs to run on Linsux as Linsux installs by
>>>>>> default.
>>>>>
>>>>> Try asking on a Linux newsgroup or IRC group.
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No wonder Linsux is years away from being a desktop replacement. All
>>>>>> it is good for is surfing the web and getting email. (-:
>>>>>
>>>>> False but you know that, don't you? Or do you?
>>>>>
>>>>> Alias
>>>>[/color]
>>[/color][/color]

--


Mike Hall
MS MVP Windows Shell/User
[url]http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/[/url]

So is Richard Urban a class A jerk.

Must be something about Microsoft stooges!

"Adam Albright" wrote:
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> On Sun, 22 Apr 2007 21:48:53 +0200, Alias <aka@masked&anonymous.bg>
> wrote:
>[color=green]
> >Mike Hall - MS MVP wrote:[color=darkred]
> >> Too funny..[/color]
> >
> >Feeling smug and superior again, Mike?
> >[/color]
>
> When doesn't Mike Hall act superior?
>
> That guy is a class A jerk.
>
>[/color]

On Sun, 22 Apr 2007 12:56:28 -0400, "Richard Urban"
<richardurbanREMOVETHIS********.com> wrote:
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> I spent about 45 minutes this morning loading Ubunto 7.04 on my computer. I
> can't do **anything** with it.
>
> As Ubuntu loads by default:
>
> I can't load/run Office 2007
>
> I can't load/run AutoCAD, any version
>
> I can't load/run Visio 2007
>
> I can't do *****ANYTHING***** that I can do in Windows 2000, Windows XP or
> Vista.
>
> What good is Linsux?
>
> And don't tell me there are substitutes that run in Linsux. I want the above
> three programs to run on Linsux as Linsux installs by default.
>
> No wonder Linsux is years away from being a desktop replacement. All it is
> good for is surfing the web and getting email. (-:[/color]

Mike Hall wrote:[color=blue]
> They say that it takes one to know one.. how about recanting the
> complete history of Windows for us.. thats always fun..[/color]

OK
[url]http://artlung.com/smorgasborg/C_R_Y_P_T_O_N_O_M_I_C_O_N.shtml[/url]
[color=blue]
>
>
> "Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message
> news:gihn23dhfrsp3jc0a5v2lgvjh5a4f0s9o3@4ax.com...[color=green]
>> On Sun, 22 Apr 2007 21:48:53 +0200, Alias <aka@masked&anonymous.bg>
>> wrote:
>>[color=darkred]
>>> Mike Hall - MS MVP wrote:
>>>> Too funny..
>>>
>>> Feeling smug and superior again, Mike?
>>>[/color]
>>
>> When doesn't Mike Hall act superior?
>>
>> That guy is a class A jerk.
>>[/color]
>[/color]


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automatically gets deleted.
That would get rid of the Linsux Luzzzzzzzzers once and for all."

"Good poets borrow; great poets steal."
- T. S. Eliot

On Sun, 22 Apr 2007 12:56:28 -0400, "Richard Urban"
<richardurbanREMOVETHIS********.com> wrote:
[color=blue]
> I spent about 45 minutes this morning loading Ubunto 7.04 on my computer. I
> can't do **anything** with it.
>
> As Ubuntu loads by default:
>
> I can't load/run Office 2007
>
> I can't load/run AutoCAD, any version
>
> I can't load/run Visio 2007
>
> I can't do *****ANYTHING***** that I can do in Windows 2000, Windows XP or
> Vista.
>
> What good is Linsux?
>
> And don't tell me there are substitutes that run in Linsux. I want the above
> three programs to run on Linsux as Linsux installs by default.
>
> No wonder Linsux is years away from being a desktop replacement. All it is
> good for is surfing the web and getting email. (-:[/color]

Either you're an idiot, or it's a poor excuse for a troll.

If I were to believe that you are really serious, then I would have to class
you as a person who buys a diesel-engined car, and then screams and yells
when he finds out that not all gas stations sell diesel fuel.

On Sun, 22 Apr 2007 18:04:42 -0400, Jay Somerset wrote:
[color=blue]
> On Sun, 22 Apr 2007 12:56:28 -0400, "Richard Urban"
> <richardurbanREMOVETHIS********.com> wrote:
>[color=green]
>> I spent about 45 minutes this morning loading Ubunto 7.04 on my
>> computer. I can't do **anything** with it.
>>[/color][/color]
Linux is not for everyone...I still like XNEWS and I didnt like how it
ran under wine. In my case, it led me to experiment with virtual
machines. I was able to load and use Windows XP in a virtual machine. I
start up this machine at least once a day to run Xnews. I like the
speed, security, and the appearance of my KDE desktop. Everything seems
to run a lot faster than Windows and it does not seem to slow down, when
I run multiple programs in multiple desktops including the desktop on
which I run the Windows XP virtual machine. For anyone that heavily uses
XNEWS, you will notice that after a few hours, your Windows will slow
down (especially in newsgroups that have a lot of headers). With the
virtual machine, I just shut it off and restart it without loosing any
time. I have always liked Linux from the first time that I tried it in
2003. After Windows 2000...it looked great. I was disappointed in
Vista. I tried out the Beta and have used it on other people's machines.
After using Linux, it seems awfully slow and awkward. It should have
been as revolutionary as XP, but it wasn't, and for the first time I can
truly say that it is easier to learn and use a friendly Linux distro than
to use the latest Windows Operating System. It shouldn't be this way,
but it is. Microsoft has failed.


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>> As Ubuntu loads by default:
>>
>> I can't load/run Office 2007
>>
>> I can't load/run AutoCAD, any version
>>
>> I can't load/run Visio 2007
>>
>> I can't do *****ANYTHING***** that I can do in Windows 2000, Windows XP
>> or Vista.
>>
>> What good is Linsux?
>>
>> And don't tell me there are substitutes that run in Linsux. I want the
>> above three programs to run on Linsux as Linsux installs by default.
>>
>> No wonder Linsux is years away from being a desktop replacement. All
>> it is good for is surfing the web and getting email. (-:[/color][/color]

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