Vista simply lacks the compatibility with previous Windows versions to
make it worthwhile. Help files, drivers, DOS-based software do not work
at all like with XP (if they work at all). When you are paying
employees to learn the quirks of Vista you are spending (most likely)
thousands of $$$ while people fumble with computers instead of working
on your business.

Even the "search" function has been modified in Vista so that it is
nearly impossible to use it like one did with XP (Apple had a
well-performing search function 10 years before Microsoft anyway). I'm
reverting my company back to XP since I'm tired of paying wages to my
folks while they stumble at making Vista do what they need.

Not to mention me. I'm really pissed off about Vista on my own desktop
and laptop. Vista is forcing users to buy *NEW* Microsoft products just
to get the functionality back that they enjoyed with recent versions of
Excel, Word and the myriad of other programs (non-Microsoft) you depend
on every day.

Shame on Bill Gates for selling a trap to consumers so that they are
snared into updating all their s/w even if the previous software is only
6 months old.

Back to XP. It works just fine.

John Wesley Asquith <john_asquith6********.com> wrote in
news:k3hl23tvu8ruu1vbf4q5j7ucgphisgp7a6@4ax.com:
[color=blue]
> Vista simply lacks the compatibility with previous Windows
> versions to make it worthwhile. Help files, drivers, DOS-based
> software do not work at all like with XP (if they work at all).
> When you are paying employees to learn the quirks of Vista you are
> spending (most likely) thousands of $$$ while people fumble with
> computers instead of working on your business.
>
> Even the "search" function has been modified in Vista so that it
> is nearly impossible to use it like one did with XP (Apple had a
> well-performing search function 10 years before Microsoft anyway).
> I'm reverting my company back to XP since I'm tired of paying
> wages to my folks while they stumble at making Vista do what they
> need.
>
> Not to mention me. I'm really pissed off about Vista on my own
> desktop and laptop. Vista is forcing users to buy *NEW* Microsoft
> products just to get the functionality back that they enjoyed with
> recent versions of Excel, Word and the myriad of other programs
> (non-Microsoft) you depend on every day.
>
> Shame on Bill Gates for selling a trap to consumers so that they
> are snared into updating all their s/w even if the previous
> software is only 6 months old.
>
> Back to XP. It works just fine.
>
>
>[/color]

Can you tell us again why YOU decided to upgrade to Vista in your
business and let your employees "fumble" through it in the first
place when XP was working just fine? If you ask me you should pay
another thousand dollars just for making a bad business choice.

Shame on Bill Gates for forcing you to upgrade your business
computers all at once. SHAME BILL SHAME ON YOU!!!

Is it just me or am I the only one who thinks it might be a wise
business choice to upgrade just one computer in your office to Vista
to see how it functions with all your existing software and
communicates with your network? Then once you see everything works
the way you expect then to start switching over workstations one at
a time as your employees become more familiar with the new OS.

Prove to me that you use windows, and have experienced Vista first hand, and
I may give a bit more weight to your comments.

Until then you are just another Linux troll.

--


Regards,

Richard Urban
Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User
(For email, remove the obvious from my address)

Quote from George Ankner:
If you knew as much as you think you know,
You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!

"John Wesley Asquith" <john_asquith6********.com> wrote in message
news:k3hl23tvu8ruu1vbf4q5j7ucgphisgp7a6@4ax.com...[color=blue]
> Vista simply lacks the compatibility with previous Windows versions to
> make it worthwhile. Help files, drivers, DOS-based software do not work
> at all like with XP (if they work at all). When you are paying
> employees to learn the quirks of Vista you are spending (most likely)
> thousands of $$$ while people fumble with computers instead of working
> on your business.
>
> Even the "search" function has been modified in Vista so that it is
> nearly impossible to use it like one did with XP (Apple had a
> well-performing search function 10 years before Microsoft anyway). I'm
> reverting my company back to XP since I'm tired of paying wages to my
> folks while they stumble at making Vista do what they need.
>
> Not to mention me. I'm really pissed off about Vista on my own desktop
> and laptop. Vista is forcing users to buy *NEW* Microsoft products just
> to get the functionality back that they enjoyed with recent versions of
> Excel, Word and the myriad of other programs (non-Microsoft) you depend
> on every day.
>
> Shame on Bill Gates for selling a trap to consumers so that they are
> snared into updating all their s/w even if the previous software is only
> 6 months old.
>
> Back to XP. It works just fine.
>
>[/color]

"John Wesley Asquith" <john_asquith6********.com> wrote in message
news:k3hl23tvu8ruu1vbf4q5j7ucgphisgp7a6@4ax.com...[color=blue]
> Vista simply lacks the compatibility with previous Windows versions to
> make it worthwhile. Help files, drivers, DOS-based software do not work
> at all like with XP (if they work at all). When you are paying
> employees to learn the quirks of Vista you are spending (most likely)
> thousands of $$$ while people fumble with computers instead of working
> on your business.
>
> Even the "search" function has been modified in Vista so that it is
> nearly impossible to use it like one did with XP (Apple had a
> well-performing search function 10 years before Microsoft anyway). I'm
> reverting my company back to XP since I'm tired of paying wages to my
> folks while they stumble at making Vista do what they need.
>
> Not to mention me. I'm really pissed off about Vista on my own desktop
> and laptop. Vista is forcing users to buy *NEW* Microsoft products just
> to get the functionality back that they enjoyed with recent versions of
> Excel, Word and the myriad of other programs (non-Microsoft) you depend
> on every day.
>
> Shame on Bill Gates for selling a trap to consumers so that they are
> snared into updating all their s/w even if the previous software is only
> 6 months old.
>
> Back to XP. It works just fine.
>
>[/color]


Uh... ever hear of due diligence? What "...6 months old." apps are you
talking about?

Lang

Richard Urban wrote:[color=blue]
> Prove to me that you use windows, and have experienced Vista first hand,
> and I may give a bit more weight to your comments.
>
> Until then you are just another Linux troll.
>[/color]
Why should the op have to prove windows use and/or vista experience to
you in particular? Of what importance to the op is the weight you give
his comments? And just how did you determine the op is a troll, let
alone a linux troll?

--
norm

norm <noone@afakeddomain.net> wrote in
news:ubeKuCJhHHA.1244@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl:
[color=blue]
> Richard Urban wrote:
> And just how did you determine the op is a troll, let
> alone a linux troll?
>[/color]

Easy, anyone making statement a the OP is ALWAYS a troll in Urban's eyes.

"Dave Cox" <dcox1961******.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9919CC074D1F1dcox1961gmailcom@69.28.186.121...[color=blue]
> John Wesley Asquith <john_asquith6********.com> wrote in
> news:k3hl23tvu8ruu1vbf4q5j7ucgphisgp7a6@4ax.com:
>[color=green]
>> Vista simply lacks the compatibility with previous Windows
>> versions to make it worthwhile. Help files, drivers, DOS-based
>> software do not work at all like with XP (if they work at all).
>> When you are paying employees to learn the quirks of Vista you are
>> spending (most likely) thousands of $$$ while people fumble with
>> computers instead of working on your business.
>>
>> Even the "search" function has been modified in Vista so that it
>> is nearly impossible to use it like one did with XP (Apple had a
>> well-performing search function 10 years before Microsoft anyway).
>> I'm reverting my company back to XP since I'm tired of paying
>> wages to my folks while they stumble at making Vista do what they
>> need.
>>
>> Not to mention me. I'm really pissed off about Vista on my own
>> desktop and laptop. Vista is forcing users to buy *NEW* Microsoft
>> products just to get the functionality back that they enjoyed with
>> recent versions of Excel, Word and the myriad of other programs
>> (non-Microsoft) you depend on every day.
>>
>> Shame on Bill Gates for selling a trap to consumers so that they
>> are snared into updating all their s/w even if the previous
>> software is only 6 months old.
>>
>> Back to XP. It works just fine.
>>
>>
>>[/color]
>
> Can you tell us again why YOU decided to upgrade to Vista in your
> business and let your employees "fumble" through it in the first
> place when XP was working just fine? If you ask me you should pay
> another thousand dollars just for making a bad business choice.
>
> Shame on Bill Gates for forcing you to upgrade your business
> computers all at once. SHAME BILL SHAME ON YOU!!!
>
> Is it just me or am I the only one who thinks it might be a wise
> business choice to upgrade just one computer in your office to Vista
> to see how it functions with all your existing software and
> communicates with your network? Then once you see everything works
> the way you expect then to start switching over workstations one at
> a time as your employees become more familiar with the new OS.[/color]

You are correct. However I wouldn't even upgrade one machine without
testing it first on a test machine. Once that test passes then upgrade one
machine and go from there.

I have 5 PRIME TIME Vista machines amongst 300+ machines. Prime time and
working well. However we have to wait on the other machines until our main
ERP package gets up to speed and more drivers are released.

In other words, had I upgraded everyone.....HOLY CRAP I would have been in a
world of hurt. However, that's not Vista's or MS's problem. That would
have been an idiot IT problem and I mostly likely would have been fired.

When we do roll out we'll re-install 10 machines at a time or not more then
50% of a department at a time. One department at a time.

John Wesley Asquith wrote:
[color=blue]
> Vista simply lacks the compatibility with previous Windows versions to
> make it worthwhile.[/color]

Please tell us what lack of compatibility with previous Windows versions
you are referring to?

Help files, drivers, DOS-based software do not work[color=blue]
> at all like with XP (if they work at all).[/color]

Correct, some previous help files don't work. Yes, you'll need updated
drivers. They must come from your hardware/software manufacturer, not MS
and they've had 5 yrs to develop them. Still using some DOS programs,
huh? If they worked in XP they'll probably work in Vista using
compatibility mode. Have you heard of that method of installing legacy
software?


When you are paying[color=blue]
> employees to learn the quirks of Vista you are spending (most likely)
> thousands of $$$ while people fumble with computers instead of working
> on your business.
>[/color]

That's really the meat of your complaint isn't it? Location of things
have changed and we're all just a little uncomfortable, unsure and
rather frustrated.
[color=blue]
> Even the "search" function has been modified in Vista so that it is
> nearly impossible to use it like one did with XP (Apple had a
> well-performing search function 10 years before Microsoft anyway).[/color]

Well, again, Vista is not an upgraded XP. It's a whole new ball game for
us to get to know. Did you know that before you purchased Vista?


I'm reverting my company back to XP since I'm tired of paying wages to my[color=blue]
> folks while they stumble at making Vista do what they need.
>
> Not to mention me. I'm really pissed off about Vista on my own desktop
> and laptop. Vista is forcing users to buy *NEW* Microsoft products just
> to get the functionality back that they enjoyed with recent versions of
> Excel, Word and the myriad of other programs (non-Microsoft) you depend
> on every day.[/color]

Really? Now I think you're "exaggerating" maybe just a little bit. What
made you think you could blow that one by a group of seasoned Vista and
MS software users in this ng, huh? You actually think Excel works
differently in XP than it does in Vista? You think Office XP, 2003 and
2007 work differently in Vista than in XP? They don't and all of them
work in Vista. I personally have software from the mid-nineties that
works perfectly in Vista.
[color=blue]
> Shame on Bill Gates for selling a trap to consumers so that they are
> snared into updating all their s/w even if the previous software is only
> 6 months old.[/color]

Shame on you for not knowing that Vista was different and has a learning
curve you we're not prepared for. And please, don't ever post that "6
months crap" in this ng again. You've made a big enough fool out of
yourself already.
BTW, if you really are looking for help, just post one specific problem
at a time and everyone here will be glad to help you if we can.
Obviously, by the tone and demeanor of this post, help was something you
were not seeking.
Frank

Office 2003, including Word and Excel, works perfectly in Vista.
What rock have you been hiding under?

Mick Murphy in Australia(QLD)

"John Wesley Asquith" wrote:
[color=blue]
> Vista simply lacks the compatibility with previous Windows versions to
> make it worthwhile. Help files, drivers, DOS-based software do not work
> at all like with XP (if they work at all). When you are paying
> employees to learn the quirks of Vista you are spending (most likely)
> thousands of $$$ while people fumble with computers instead of working
> on your business.
>
> Even the "search" function has been modified in Vista so that it is
> nearly impossible to use it like one did with XP (Apple had a
> well-performing search function 10 years before Microsoft anyway). I'm
> reverting my company back to XP since I'm tired of paying wages to my
> folks while they stumble at making Vista do what they need.
>
> Not to mention me. I'm really pissed off about Vista on my own desktop
> and laptop. Vista is forcing users to buy *NEW* Microsoft products just
> to get the functionality back that they enjoyed with recent versions of
> Excel, Word and the myriad of other programs (non-Microsoft) you depend
> on every day.
>
> Shame on Bill Gates for selling a trap to consumers so that they are
> snared into updating all their s/w even if the previous software is only
> 6 months old.
>
> Back to XP. It works just fine.
>
>
>[/color]

HOW ABOUT THIS YOU DISGRACEFUL TROLL!??!!!!!
Vista misinformat, darn lying knucklehead,
Netcop extraordinaire.... technologic naysayer supremo!

[url]http://img241.imageshack.us/img241/5677/screenshot1jr3.jpg[/url]

Sorry for the personal attack.. but you are incredibly stupid and I have had
enough of you!






"Richard Urban" <richardurbanREMOVETHIS********.com> wrote in message
news:ebRhn0IhHHA.1244@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...[color=blue]
> Prove to me that you use windows, and have experienced Vista first hand,
> and I may give a bit more weight to your comments.
>
> Until then you are just another Linux troll.
>
> --
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Richard Urban
> Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User
> (For email, remove the obvious from my address)
>
> Quote from George Ankner:
> If you knew as much as you think you know,
> You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!
>
> "John Wesley Asquith" <john_asquith6********.com> wrote in message
> news:k3hl23tvu8ruu1vbf4q5j7ucgphisgp7a6@4ax.com...[color=green]
>> Vista simply lacks the compatibility with previous Windows versions to
>> make it worthwhile. Help files, drivers, DOS-based software do not work
>> at all like with XP (if they work at all). When you are paying
>> employees to learn the quirks of Vista you are spending (most likely)
>> thousands of $$$ while people fumble with computers instead of working
>> on your business.
>>
>> Even the "search" function has been modified in Vista so that it is
>> nearly impossible to use it like one did with XP (Apple had a
>> well-performing search function 10 years before Microsoft anyway). I'm
>> reverting my company back to XP since I'm tired of paying wages to my
>> folks while they stumble at making Vista do what they need.
>>
>> Not to mention me. I'm really pissed off about Vista on my own desktop
>> and laptop. Vista is forcing users to buy *NEW* Microsoft products just
>> to get the functionality back that they enjoyed with recent versions of
>> Excel, Word and the myriad of other programs (non-Microsoft) you depend
>> on every day.
>>
>> Shame on Bill Gates for selling a trap to consumers so that they are
>> snared into updating all their s/w even if the previous software is only
>> 6 months old.
>>
>> Back to XP. It works just fine.
>>
>>[/color]
>[/color]

It's a common ploy for trolls to attempt to stir argument by posting
something like that. You'll notice in a perusal of other of his posts that
the OP never responds to any of the rebuttals, he just posts more rants. OP
is also using Forte Agent for posting, so it is impossible to determine if
he's actually used or using Vista. By the inaccurate statements he has made
thus far, it is quite likely that he is just making things up or going from
heresay. This is done solely with the intention of creating contention, not
from any statement of fact.

The best solution is to just ignore trolls, as every response - even those
that are not geared towards the argument - just serves to encourage them to
continue.

--
Best of Luck,

Rick Rogers, aka "Nutcase" - Microsoft MVP
[url]http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/[/url]
Windows help - [url]www.rickrogers.org[/url]

"norm" <noone@afakeddomain.net> wrote in message
news:ubeKuCJhHHA.1244@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...[color=blue]
> Richard Urban wrote:[color=green]
>> Prove to me that you use windows, and have experienced Vista first hand,
>> and I may give a bit more weight to your comments.
>>
>> Until then you are just another Linux troll.
>>[/color]
> Why should the op have to prove windows use and/or vista experience to you
> in particular? Of what importance to the op is the weight you give his
> comments? And just how did you determine the op is a troll, let alone a
> linux troll?
>
> --
> norm[/color]

Frank wrote:
[color=blue][color=green]
>> Shame on Bill Gates for selling a trap to consumers so that they are
>> snared into updating all their s/w even if the previous software is only
>> 6 months old.[/color]
>
> Shame on you for not knowing that Vista was different and has a learning
> curve you we're not prepared for. And please, don't ever post that "6
> months crap" in this ng again. You've made a big enough fool out of
> yourself already.
> BTW, if you really are looking for help, just post one specific problem
> at a time and everyone here will be glad to help you if we can.
> Obviously, by the tone and demeanor of this post, help was something you
> were not seeking.
> Frank[/color]

<snort>

Love and Kisses,
Doris


--
My Microsoft Hero (he loves this company!) ... [url]http://tinyurl.com/yp9cn2[/url]
Get SP3 for XP here! .... [url]http://tinyurl.com/374p49[/url]
Title Says It All ... [url]http://tinyurl.com/2ssodl[/url]

maybe you should warp yourself back to the ANCIENT PAST here you will be happy.



[email]mikeyhsd@comcast.net[/email]



"Former captain of the Enterprise" <1111@11.11> wrote in message news:eZfyELNhHHA.5008@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
HOW ABOUT THIS YOU DISGRACEFUL TROLL!??!!!!!
Vista misinformat, darn lying knucklehead,
Netcop extraordinaire.... technologic naysayer supremo!

[url]http://img241.imageshack.us/img241/5677/screenshot1jr3.jpg[/url]

Sorry for the personal attack.. but you are incredibly stupid and I have had
enough of you!






"Richard Urban" <richardurbanREMOVETHIS********.com> wrote in message
news:ebRhn0IhHHA.1244@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...[color=blue]
> Prove to me that you use windows, and have experienced Vista first hand,
> and I may give a bit more weight to your comments.
>
> Until then you are just another Linux troll.
>
> --
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Richard Urban
> Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User
> (For email, remove the obvious from my address)
>
> Quote from George Ankner:
> If you knew as much as you think you know,
> You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!
>
> "John Wesley Asquith" <john_asquith6********.com> wrote in message
> news:k3hl23tvu8ruu1vbf4q5j7ucgphisgp7a6@4ax.com...[color=green]
>> Vista simply lacks the compatibility with previous Windows versions to
>> make it worthwhile. Help files, drivers, DOS-based software do not work
>> at all like with XP (if they work at all). When you are paying
>> employees to learn the quirks of Vista you are spending (most likely)
>> thousands of $$$ while people fumble with computers instead of working
>> on your business.
>>
>> Even the "search" function has been modified in Vista so that it is
>> nearly impossible to use it like one did with XP (Apple had a
>> well-performing search function 10 years before Microsoft anyway). I'm
>> reverting my company back to XP since I'm tired of paying wages to my
>> folks while they stumble at making Vista do what they need.
>>
>> Not to mention me. I'm really pissed off about Vista on my own desktop
>> and laptop. Vista is forcing users to buy *NEW* Microsoft products just
>> to get the functionality back that they enjoyed with recent versions of
>> Excel, Word and the myriad of other programs (non-Microsoft) you depend
>> on every day.
>>
>> Shame on Bill Gates for selling a trap to consumers so that they are
>> snared into updating all their s/w even if the previous software is only
>> 6 months old.
>>
>> Back to XP. It works just fine.
>>
>>[/color]
> [/color]

Heck.... I'm still running Office from 1995, on Vista, with NO problems.

Kurt

"Mick" <Mick@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:A58472D0-B3FE-4E2A-9F74-4E645482AFBC@microsoft.com...[color=blue]
> Office 2003, including Word and Excel, works perfectly in Vista.
> What rock have you been hiding under?
>
> Mick Murphy in Australia(QLD)[/color]

On Sat, 21 Apr 2007 23:04:44 -0700, "Justin" <None@None.com> wrote:

[color=blue][color=green]
>> Can you tell us again why YOU decided to upgrade to Vista in your
>> business and let your employees "fumble" through it in the first
>> place when XP was working just fine? If you ask me you should pay
>> another thousand dollars just for making a bad business choice.
>>
>> Shame on Bill Gates for forcing you to upgrade your business
>> computers all at once. SHAME BILL SHAME ON YOU!!!
>>
>> Is it just me or am I the only one who thinks it might be a wise
>> business choice to upgrade just one computer in your office to Vista
>> to see how it functions with all your existing software and
>> communicates with your network? Then once you see everything works
>> the way you expect then to start switching over workstations one at
>> a time as your employees become more familiar with the new OS.[/color]
>
>[/color]

Once again you have made an assumption that is wrong.

I did NOT decide to upgrade to Vista. The new HP computers I purchased
came with Vista already installed (along with 60 GB of other crap
already installed).